Help Protect Net Nuetrality

[Nazzzgul666]

7 minutes ago, Ragnarock1234567 said:

I think if I had to guess it's probably advertising if you watch the T.V around election time over here in the U.S  all anyone talks about is either the Democrat or Republican candidates and if a candidate of another party is mentioned it's usually very brief, mix that with a group of people that barely ever questions the media even if they say they don't trust them, and another group of people that would rather keep having to choose 2 parties rather than 3 or 4 because it's "easier"

That's pretty much the point. To me it seems the majority of people don't want to think for themselves, they rather do what media tells them although they know their best interests aren't medias first priority or even deciding between more than two parties is too difficult. In my opinion Europe does better in some things than US, but in the case of electing head of state... despite different political systems, it seems all the same to me.

[Guest]

Hear, Hear friend if you ask me a simple fix for these problems is a more educated populace the U.S is a highly militaristic country(especially now) so like 70% of the government's money goes to the Military and Weapons Tech companies while things like Education, Scientific Research, and Healthcare don't get a whole lot of money and with very little education you don't have a very educated populace for voting, and I think the Elites prefer it this way after all a stupid population is much easier to control and a lot more likely to sacrifice there freedoms for things like money or security, I only hope to move out of this country ASAP before shit really starts to hit the fan, and to convince my friends and family to do the same.

[Nazzzgul666]

32 minutes ago, Ragnarock1234567 said:

Hear, Hear friend if you ask me a simple fix for these problems is a more educated populace the U.S is a highly militaristic country(especially now) so like 70% of the government's money goes to the Military and Weapons Tech companies while things like Education, Scientific Research, and Healthcare don't get a whole lot of money and with very little education you don't have a very educated populace for voting, and I think the Elites prefer it this way after all a stupid population is much easier to control and a lot more likely to sacrifice there freedoms for things like money or security, I only hope to move out of this country ASAP before shit really starts to hit the fan, and to convince my friends and family to do the same.

Unfortunatly, like i said, it's not that much different in other countries, not when it's about elections. At least not as far as i know. With a much lower military budget and at least bit better minimum education, germany doesn't really better. The only possible exception might be iceland, they had some intresting stuff going on in politics the last 10 years, but i admit i've only read about it, never been there and afaik never talked to anybody from there. When i said "the majority of people" i really meant all, not only the US population.

[dagobaking]

2 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

after writing it i see that it's actually simple: no third party in the US has ever a chance to provide president, or to be part of the government. That's what i mean by "votes don't count".

The executive branch (presidency) is just one third of the government. We also have Congress which is made up differently depending on how many votes different groups get. There are a few members of congress that identify as Libertarian, Independent, etc.

 

The reason why a "2 party system" is not a problem is that both parties are incredibly dynamic. What the platforms are for and the positions of their candidates can change dramatically. If not for DNC corruption, Bernie Sanders (a self identified Socialist) probably would have been the Democrat candidate last time. And Trump became the nominee despite the wishes of mainstream GOP leadership.

 

Think of the 2 parties as the final 2 spots in a sports play-off. They provide placeholders for people who can draw their support and ideas from any movement.

2 hours ago, Benmc20 said:

The best advice I can tell to all of you is: you have the possibility to sue the FCC, so do it "en masse". Some states like California will pass a decree (of not done already) to protect Net Neutraloty, so pressure your representatives to do so too.

Unfortunately, the cable companies thought ahead about this and added provisions in the new bill that prevent states from applying their own rules.

 

The states themselves will need to sue. But, since it involves interstate commerce, the federal government will probably win.

 

That said, the cable companies, I think, will still lose in the end. They rely on local contracts. So, pissing off the states seems like a really stupid thing to do. They can potentially lose the business of entire states at a time over this.

43 minutes ago, Ragnarock1234567 said:

Hear, Hear friend if you ask me a simple fix for these problems is a more educated populace the U.S is a highly militaristic country(especially now) so like 70% of the government's money goes to the Military and Weapons Tech companies while things like Education, Scientific Research, and Healthcare don't get a whole lot of money and with very little education you don't have a very educated populace for voting, and I think the Elites prefer it this way after all a stupid population is much easier to control and a lot more likely to sacrifice there freedoms for things like money or security, I only hope to move out of this country ASAP before shit really starts to hit the fan, and to convince my friends and family to do the same.

That isn't true. Military spending is actually a relatively small percentage of the budget (16%). The vast majority of government spending goes to programs like Social Security, Medicare and other safety net programs. 

[ToJKa]

2 hours ago, Benmc20 said:

Okay, some news from Europe.

 

As you may know, Net Neutrality is protected by Law Europe wide and this is true for european members like my country (France). These who want to bypass this will be sued and condemned. More info here: https://www.laquadrature.net/

Here in EUSSR we like big governments instead of corporate rule

 

...I shouldn't attempt political humor.

 

Off-topic, seems to me that the US two party system causes the two parties to fight each other and their policies instead of trying to run the country. Of course that happens here too where anyone can start a political party (provided they gather enough support from people in a limited time), but it doesn't seem quite as severe and obvious.

[dagobaking]

1 hour ago, ToJKa said:

instead of trying to run the country.

An emphasis on "trying" I guess?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, dagobaking said:

The executive branch (presidency) is just one third of the government. We also have Congress which is made up differently depending on how many votes different groups get. There are a few members of congress that identify as Libertarian, Independent, etc.

 

The reason why a "2 party system" is not a problem is that both parties are incredibly dynamic. What the platforms are for and the positions of their candidates can change dramatically. If not for DNC corruption, Bernie Sanders (a self identified Socialist) probably would have been the Democrat candidate last time. And Trump became the nominee despite the wishes of mainstream GOP leadership.

 

Think of the 2 parties as the final 2 spots in a sports play-off. They provide placeholders for people who can draw their support and ideas from any movement.

Unfortunately, the cable companies thought ahead about this and added provisions in the new bill that prevent states from applying their own rules.

 

The states themselves will need to sue. But, since it involves interstate commerce, the federal government will probably win.

 

That said, the cable companies, I think, will still lose in the end. They rely on local contracts. So, pissing off the states seems like a really stupid thing to do. They can potentially lose the business of entire states at a time over this.

That isn't true. Military spending is actually a relatively small percentage of the budget (16%). The vast majority of government spending goes to programs like Social Security, Medicare and other safety net programs. 

Really? well I stand corrected, thanks friend 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Unfortunatly, like i said, it's not that much different in other countries, not when it's about elections. At least not as far as i know. With a much lower military budget and at least bit better minimum education, germany doesn't really better. The only possible exception might be iceland, they had some intresting stuff going on in politics the last 10 years, but i admit i've only read about it, never been there and afaik never talked to anybody from there. When i said "the majority of people" i really meant all, not only the US population.

 

but I still  think it's a good idea to get the hell outta dodge, I'm not asking for perfection just not this, my current list of possible countries to move to is small but well researched so I am taking the idea seriously got a whole "off the grid" home setup with internet, power, wifi, food and all the other good shit for either really cheap or free, a nice House in a rural area in whatever country I choose and a good job to keep the stuff I have no other choice but to spend money on and bam I am set, and maybe a nuclear fallout shelter...just in case XD

 

 

[Guest]

Relax guys, y'all can still watch your porn.

 

 

[Guest]

So people are saying that most of the comments to repeal NN are fake and I believe it. They said that people's identities were stolen to make these comments. 

 

Go here: https://ag.ny.gov/fakecomments to find out if your identity was stolen. 

 

Mine was, though it was for NN but it was fake nonetheless. It even had my address on it and it was sent in July and I've only heard about NN about a month or so ago.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

It's rather sad to see an entire thread of grown adults drinking the Kool-Aid and giving into fear mongering.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Kamen Rider Kuuga said:

It's rather sad to see an entire thread of grown adults drinking the Kool-Aid and giving into fear mongering.

What are ya talking about?

[Ernest Lemmingway]

10 hours ago, TheWhite said:

What's going on with this?

Good guess is it's still before Congress. Which basically means it will be caught in a legal limbo for the rest of eternity as both sides bring it back up when ever the other gets their way. Or Pres. Chump could do the smart thing and veto it. I'm not counting on that, myself.

[Darkpig]

You mean there are people who want to do away with Net Nuetrality?

 

 Show dem de way of de devil!

 

 

[Lexi SubZero]

10 hours ago, Darkpig said:

You mean there are people who want to do away with Net Nuetrality?

 

 Show dem de way of de devil!

 

 

*tongue clicking intensifies*

[johntrine]

14 hours ago, Darkpig said:

You mean there are people who want to do away with Net Nuetrality?

 

 Show dem de way of de devil!

 

 

he smells like da Ebola!

[A She-Wolf]

On 1/13/2018 at 8:31 AM, TheWhite said:

What's going on with this?

 

On 1/13/2018 at 6:50 PM, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Good guess is it's still before Congress. Which basically means it will be caught in a legal limbo for the rest of eternity as both sides bring it back up when ever the other gets their way. Or Pres. Chump could do the smart thing and veto it. I'm not counting on that, myself.

Things are still happening. Please, Moderators of LL, forgive me for necroing this thread, but anyone who stumbles across it and might have this question ought to check out this newer thread. And I know I'm being a bad pimp but check out my signature for info on what one can personally do if they're motivated.