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I have already contacted this guys to share his modlist that he put behind a paywall (all free mods from here or Nexus..)

It's still like that on his Patreon but since he put a "small" list on his tumblr but not easly visible...

He set up his business mainly on the work of others, you understand well that he is reluctant to share this list,

then he ask 10$ to show you that.. 

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Then that would mean that these people are using other peoples free mods for commercial use if they are indeed behind a pay wall which may violate some people terms of use. Legal actions can possibly bee taken, especially if it's someone like in that MxR case when all he did was review her mod. Well, so long as the made content that includes other peoples content isn't behind a paywall. People need to add a good and reasonable terms of use to there mods.

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Then that would mean that these people are using other peoples free mods for commercial use if they are indeed behind a pay wall which may violate some people terms of use. Legal actions can possibly bee taken, especially if it's someone like in that MxR case when all he did was review her mod. Well, so long as the made content that includes other peoples content isn't behind a paywall. People need to add a good and reasonable terms of use to there mods.

 

The mods themselves are not behind a paywall, and his patreon is to support his "Artistic Projects". He just won't reveal what he used in his setup unless you are a Patreon of his, so the only thing behind a pay is how he did it, and no legal action can be taken for that. As far as the MxR thing, honestly MxR caved to the pressure but the mod author (Who was using other people's assets btw) really didn't have a legitimate case against him. If your more interested in that whole situation, check out Zack Zhakaron's youtube video's on the subject.

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Then that would mean that these people are using other peoples free mods for commercial use if they are indeed behind a pay wall which may violate some people terms of use. Legal actions can possibly bee taken, especially if it's someone like in that MxR case when all he did was review her mod. Well, so long as the made content that includes other peoples content isn't behind a paywall. People need to add a good and reasonable terms of use to there mods.

 

The mods themselves are not behind a paywall, and his patreon is to support his "Artistic Projects". He just won't reveal what he used in his setup unless you are a Patreon of his, so the only thing behind a pay is how he did it, and no legal action can be taken for that. As far as the MxR thing, honestly MxR caved to the pressure but the mod author (Who was using other people's assets btw) really didn't have a legitimate case against him. If your more interested in that whole situation, check out Zack Zhakaron's youtube video's on the subject.

 

1) "Well, so long as the made content that includes other peoples content isn't behind a paywall."

 

2) I'm already well informed with the MxR situation. He just moved and couldn't afford for his main income being his channel to temporarily be taken down during the process to get his strike removed and deal with the modder in court, which she had no rights over majority of permission granted mods included in her mod to claim them and make bogus restrictions.

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I would just ignore their stuff and their patreon if enough people do it then his patreon account will fail.

 

Sadly It's quite the opposite, look at that of missyb, which uses all the funny stuff. More than 400 Patrons and not far than 1K$..
Of course it gives ideas to others as well. Also because it is within the reach of many people.
These people do not even support loverslab, or the mods they uses, they are mainly lurker come to download for the business.. 
The only way to see them fail.. lol It's shut down the animations valves. ><
 

Then that would mean that these people are using other peoples free mods for commercial use if they are indeed behind a pay wall which may violate some people terms of use. Legal actions can possibly bee taken, especially if it's someone like in that MxR case when all he did was review her mod. Well, so long as the made content that includes other peoples content isn't behind a paywall. People need to add a good and reasonable terms of use to there mods.

CPU also specified to someone who wanted to make monetizable videos, that some 
Slal Pack animations here did not allow this kind of stuff. ^^
 
I am quite "severe" with my permissions and I have already recommended to others to do the same.
 
I respect all the people here working and breaking their head on serious work, not the guys who rub their balls...
And in my case you can see who I support, all people are from LL and there is no reason that the list does not grow.
That's not how I'll get rich, but I'm thinking about the guys working here,.. some people here do the same..
I use some stuff from here, I work here, I show here, I share here... I support LL community. 
 
Because what's the point of breaking our asses working always for free, if it's to finally see some "enjoy" it ... really long and wide.. outside LL?
Ask to some other animators or modders here... I'm not the only one here who change the mind.

 

 

The mods themselves are not behind a paywall, and his patreon is to support his "Artistic Projects". He just won't reveal what he used in his setup unless you are a Patreon of his, so the only thing behind a pay is how he did it, and no legal action can be taken for that. As far as the MxR thing, honestly MxR caved to the pressure but the mod author (Who was using other people's assets btw) really didn't have a legitimate case against him. If your more interested in that whole situation, check out Zack Zhakaron's youtube video's on the subject.

 

 
Do not talk to me about artistic work when you only harass others to have their characters..
It makes me laugh all these users who only installed mods and who take themselves for artists because they make screenshots or videos ...
As said his business is take girls and animations from the others, and made videos... Where is his creativity honestly??
And many people think he is a animator.. Let me laugh...
 
But I have just checked and his modlist is still showed in the rewards.

It's the first thing that I do not want to see, all is free on this list, you do not sell that in any way..

I think that some people here are going to be mad if I do the same and that I start to sell my saves, presets and mods list.. lol
 
Anyway I really do not like these kind of people, I put them in the same bag as SkyrimGtx.. And this bag is big.. Time to time I shoot on it..
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ever watched one of those skyrim imrsive porn on pornhub?

 

 

what mods do you think he used?

 

It's absurdly obvious what mods he uses, and he didn't make or contribute to a single one, so him charging for it is absolute bullshit.

 

All it will take is one modder contracting a lawyer to make his financial life a mess. His work isn't transformative and he isn't providing a framework FOR transformative work, secondly at least two of the mods he uses are not open source/creative commons but based on other property assets that do NOT have open permission for use, so again one call to a lawyer would not only wreck this dude from stem to stern but also set a rather negative and dangerous precedent for the rest of the community.

 

This guy and people like missyb is why my shit like mortal khambat and hipoly bodies and full head to foot body contact SMP will remain absolutely private. For some reason the Skyrim community lets this stuff go unheeded and unheard, most other communities this guy would have been called to carpet and run off for the absolute bs he pulls.

 

He openly takes and gives nothing back, and then has the gall to charge for it.

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ever watched one of those skyrim imrsive porn on pornhub?

 

 

what mods do you think he used?

 

It's absurdly obvious what mods he uses, and he didn't make or contribute to a single one, so him charging for it is absolute bullshit.

 

All it will take in one modder contracting a lawyer to make his financial life a mess. His work isn't transformative and he isn't providing a framework FOR transformative work, secondly at least two of the mods he uses are not open source/creative commons but based on other property assets that do NOT have open permission for use, so again one call to a lawyer would not only wreck this dude from stem to stern but also set a rather negative and dangerous precedent for the rest of the community.

 

This guy and people like missyb is why my shit like mortal khambat and hipoly bodies and full head to foot body contact SMP will remain absolutely private. For some reason the Skyrim community lets this stuff go unheeded and unheard, most other communities this guy would have been called to carpet and run off for the absolute bs he pulls.

 

He openly takes and gives nothing back, and then has the gall to charge for it.

 

 

You have a high poly body... higher than UUNP Special?  <_<

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See this butt?

 

This butt is not a hexagon.

 

No anti aliasing, no reshade blur, no filtery grain

 

 

wRZRn.jpg

 

 

Here's some outfit shapekeys from 2013 that do exactly nothing to Skyrim's framerate that have three times the verts UUNP does, much less anything anyone has made or ported since then.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/44959/?

 

Here's ledo's and nbay's manga conversion from 2014 that comes in either 20K or 12K verts, again no hit to framerate and at least 150% the count of UUNP and no hexagonal butt or daedric hip or squared off breasts.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/54538/?

 

 

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See this butt?

 

This butt is not a hexagon.

 

No anti aliasing, no reshade blur, no filtery grain

 

 

wRZRn.jpg

 

 

Here's some outfit shapekeys from 2013 that do exactly nothing to Skyrim's framerate that have three times the verts UUNP does, much less anything anyone has made or ported since then.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/44959/?

 

Here's ledo's manga conversion from 2014 that comes in either 20K or 12K verts, again no hit to framerate and at least 150% the count of UUNP and no hexagonal butt or daedric hip or squared off breasts.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/54538/?

 

Nice 27x! Granted the statement about an unreleased SMP body was far more disheartening for me personally. As I have little understanding as to how SMP works. Anyone know if a tool for creating xml was ever released? Doing it by hand seems like such a daunting task. But more on topic selling mod related anything is disappointing in any light. Naver isn't any different except the currency is nationality instead of money. I assume the legal loop hole if it even exists would be the idea they are selling their time and access to a members only area. Which is were the videos and mod list an be accessed for free. Similar to paying someone to do a private port of something. Granted the whole reason lawyers exist in the first place is because laws are written intentionally to provide a way for people to bend or wiggle around the commonsense understanding of them. 

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PRZ has a topic that basically will walk you through a large chunk of SMP, and he has example models and meshes, and basically kind of shows what each thing does. He also posted a chunk of the stuff I gave him in private back when he was finalizing his all in one that describes what each setting is and what it does.

 

It's not as straight forward as JFF, but with a little patience and an understanding of what each thing does just like PE, anybody can write their own SMP stuff, even if they're just changing the values that Ledo4ek and prz wrote.

 

If I were a starting out peoples, I would create an MO profile and download just the bare essentials for smp to work, and then head to somewhere you can test out stuff on some characters repeatedly till stuff looks like it's something you want to hang on to. Personally I use the Temple of Kynareth because it's enclosed but has traffic in and out so you see how the stuff interacts directly, and from there you can head right into whiterun square and see how much of a hit you're actually going to take in a heavily populated area with equally heavy script load.

 

Some stuff to keep in mind:

 

For gear and clothes and wigs and weapons, you'll need a collision model that EXACTLY defines what this stuff is supposed to interact with. Some people use proxy objects, I use entire body nifs because my PC can handle the overhead.

 

You do NOT need a nistring data pointer.

 

You DO need a registry file for all your meshes and a controller file for EVERY object and mesh you're gonna apply physics to or against. While you CAN make a nistring pointer and just point it to your registry file, this will make customizing bodies or making special custom collisions much more of pain in the ass, and it will load every xml in the registry file whether they are present or not in your current cell.

 

The more accurate and involved the collisions, the more overhead especially if you're using the CPU to calculate instead of the GPU.

 

If you use an ENB, you have to set up pretty specific settings to avoid some ol bullshit, and using a shader cache to handle SMP's addressable space is pretty much mandatory if you use an ENB.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/68009-all-in-one-hdtskinnedmeshphysics-setup-20-fomod/

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The mods themselves are not behind a paywall, and his patreon is to support his "Artistic Projects". He just won't reveal what he used in his setup unless you are a Patreon of his, so the only thing behind a pay is how he did it, and no legal action can be taken for that. As far as the MxR thing, honestly MxR caved to the pressure but the mod author (Who was using other people's assets btw) really didn't have a legitimate case against him. If your more interested in that whole situation, check out Zack Zhakaron's youtube video's on the subject.

 

 
Do not talk to me about artistic work when you only harass others to have their characters..
It makes me laugh all these users who only installed mods and who take themselves for artists because they make screenshots or videos ...
As said his business is take girls and animations from the others, and made videos... Where is his creativity honestly??
And many people think he is a animator.. Let me laugh...
 
But I have just checked and his modlist is still showed in the rewards.

It's the first thing that I do not want to see, all is free on this list, you do not sell that in any way..

I think that some people here are going to be mad if I do the same and that I start to sell my saves, presets and mods list.. lol
 
Anyway I really do not like these kind of people, I put them in the same bag as SkyrimGtx.. And this bag is big.. Time to time I shoot on it..

 

 

Just pertaining to your response to my comment, you don't need to take a hostile tone toward me, I merely made a statement regarding the fact that he is not locking other peoples content behind a paywall. I did not say anything for against what he's doing, although I think your statement "It makes me laugh all these users who only installed mods and who take themselves for artists because they make screenshots or videos ..." showing you are greatly discounting all the work that goes into making the kinds of videos he does (which he releases for free), even if he is using assets made by others. I see very few skyrim porn vids that are on par with his in terms of length and polish. He says it takes him about 50 hrs total for a 30 video and knowing a little of what goes into video editing, I don't have any reason to think he's lying.

 

I also don't put him in the same category as SkyrimGTX cause he isn't claiming he's the one who made the assets like GTX did (as far as I can tell)

As far as I can tell (again) the only thing I see his patreons paying for is bts and early previews of how he makes the videos. His actual final products are still free. Personally I don't have a problem with that. I mean hey even you give your supporters early access to your projects if they are paying for it.

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ever watched one of those skyrim imrsive porn on pornhub?

 

 

what mods do you think he used?

 

It's absurdly obvious what mods he uses, and he didn't make or contribute to a single one, so him charging for it is absolute bullshit.

 

All it will take is one modder contracting a lawyer to make his financial life a mess. His work isn't transformative and he isn't providing a framework FOR transformative work, secondly at least two of the mods he uses are not open source/creative commons but based on other property assets that do NOT have open permission for use, so again one call to a lawyer would not only wreck this dude from stem to stern but also set a rather negative and dangerous precedent for the rest of the community.

 

This guy and people like missyb is why my shit like mortal khambat and hipoly bodies and full head to foot body contact SMP will remain absolutely private. For some reason the Skyrim community lets this stuff go unheeded and unheard, most other communities this guy would have been called to carpet and run off for the absolute bs he pulls.

 

He openly takes and gives nothing back, and then has the gall to charge for it.

 

 

I'd be pretty interested in the SMP stuff since right now it's a bit of a mess. :(

 

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Just pertaining to your response to my comment, you don't need to take a hostile tone toward me, I merely made a statement regarding the fact that he is not locking other peoples content behind a paywall. I did not say anything for against what he's doing, although I think your statement "It makes me laugh all these users who only installed mods and who take themselves for artists because they make screenshots or videos ..." showing you are greatly discounting all the work that goes into making the kinds of videos he does (which he releases for free), even if he is using assets made by others. I see very few skyrim porn vids that are on par with his in terms of length and polish. He says it takes him about 50 hrs total for a 30 video and knowing a little of what goes into video editing, I don't have any reason to think he's lying.

 

I also don't put him in the same category as SkyrimGTX cause he isn't claiming he's the one who made the assets like GTX did (as far as I can tell)

As far as I can tell (again) the only thing I see his patreons paying for is bts and early previews of how he makes the videos. His actual final products are still free. Personally I don't have a problem with that. I mean hey even you give your supporters early access to your projects if they are paying for it.

 

Hostile .. hmm it's not towards you I just tell you what I think.
50 hours mhhh .. If you consider choice and filming porn animations as a part of a "work"...
It's what any user do or can do... and they, you, have fun doing that, it's ingame you play.. 
If It's seem a huge difficult "work".. bah.. playing games is going to be a difficult task too.
 
There are also youtubers who do quality video editing overnight and in live, especially to fuck off the mouths of others who say that take weeks to make the same videos and do their business with it. ^^
If I remember, CEO put about 20h for the edition of his video of 30 minutes and it was one of his first try.
And in terms of editing the work is already far more important.
For my video pole anal, It took me 15 minutes to shoot and less than hour to do a little editing and sync a few moans. The video is 4 minutes..
 
I think I have already answered this.
And Its mod list is always in the rewards.
Check out his profile on LL, never a thank you, never an upvote, never warned a modder or an animator to present his videos...
Little or practically no modders or animators had heard of him until recently..
 
He built his reputation for over a year without crediting the others.
Many people took him for a animator because he always left doubt and when people congratulated him for improving the quality of "his" animations, he did not say who has made that and that it was because of the support of patrons that he was able to invest to improve animations,.. while he only used new and smoother animations. I have read and see that so..
It is only since I contacted him that he begins to be more clear on this point...
 
You know..
When I make videos for the result of my stuff I have build meshes, animations, etc etc. it's finally when I have a little fun, I'm in the game as an end user ..
So, Do not compare me to this person please..
The work and the time spent behind to get there is not the same.
The 50 Hours.. I spend them practically every week on it and on the creative level I believe I have nothing to envy to anyone.. 

The people who give me something receive a 100% handcrafted creative work, it's always new contents, all the animations, objects and textures do not exist before I create them..

 
For this person to consider spending the time I spend already on my stuff, it would have to have four or five times what I currently have on my patreon... so
lol You do not talk to the same kind of people here... ^^
 
So do not take it wrong or personally, I'm just telling you what I think and what I see. ;)
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Just pertaining to your response to my comment, you don't need to take a hostile tone toward me, I merely made a statement regarding the fact that he is not locking other peoples content behind a paywall. I did not say anything for against what he's doing, although I think your statement "It makes me laugh all these users who only installed mods and who take themselves for artists because they make screenshots or videos ..." showing you are greatly discounting all the work that goes into making the kinds of videos he does (which he releases for free), even if he is using assets made by others. I see very few skyrim porn vids that are on par with his in terms of length and polish. He says it takes him about 50 hrs total for a 30 video and knowing a little of what goes into video editing, I don't have any reason to think he's lying.

 

I also don't put him in the same category as SkyrimGTX cause he isn't claiming he's the one who made the assets like GTX did (as far as I can tell)

As far as I can tell (again) the only thing I see his patreons paying for is bts and early previews of how he makes the videos. His actual final products are still free. Personally I don't have a problem with that. I mean hey even you give your supporters early access to your projects if they are paying for it.

 

Hostile .. hmm it's not towards you I just tell you what I think.
50 hours mhhh .. If you consider choice and filming porn animations as a part of a "work"...
It's what any user do or can do... and they, you, have fun doing that, it's ingame you play.. 
If It's seem a huge difficult "work".. bah.. playing games is going to be a difficult task too.
 
There are also youtubers who do quality video editing overnight and in live, especially to fuck off the mouths of others who say that take weeks to make the same videos and do their business with it. ^^
If I remember, CEO put about 20h for the edition of his video of 30 minutes and it was one of his first try.
And in terms of editing the work is already far more important.
For my video pole anal, It took me 15 minutes to shoot and less than hour to do a little editing and sync a few moans. The video is 4 minutes..
 
I think I have already answered this.
And Its mod list is always in the rewards.
Check out his profile on LL, never a thank you, never an upvote, never warned a modder or an animator to present his videos...
Little or practically no modders or animators had heard of him until recently..
 
He built his reputation for over a year without crediting the others.
Many people took him for a animator because he always left doubt and when people congratulated him for improving the quality of "his" animations, he did not say who has made that and that it was because of the support of patrons that he was able to invest to improve animations,.. while he only used new and smoother animations. I have read and see that so..
It is only since I contacted him that he begins to be more clear on this point...
 
You know..
When I make videos for the result of my stuff I have build meshes, animations, etc etc. it's finally when I have a little fun, I'm in the game as an end user ..
So, Do not compare me to this person please..
The work and the time spent behind to get there is not the same.
The 50 Hours.. I spend them practically every week on it and on the creative level I believe I have nothing to envy to anyone.. 

The people who give me something receive a 100% handcrafted creative work, it's always new contents, all the animations, objects and textures do not exist before I create them..

 
For this person to consider spending the time I spend already on my stuff, it would have to have four or five times what I currently have on my patreon... so
lol You do not talk to the same kind of people here... ^^
 
So do not take it wrong or personally, I'm just telling you what I think and what I see. ;)

 

 

Fair's fair, guess you have your opinion and I have mine. I have not seen CEO's videos, but I have seen yours, and I don't think they are as polished. Which I'm not faulting you for, you're not trying to make story videos. Your videos are for showcasing your animations and they are fine for that, and do look nice, just not quite as polished. But I see some of your points about not properly crediting people in the beginning. I'm gonna bow out now cause I'm said my piece.

 

 

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Open blender/3dsmax create import it in the game= artist.

Open skyrim record sexlab upload to porn site= gamer.

My friend we understand each other very well.

Posted

 

Open blender/3dsmax create import it in the game= artist.

Open skyrim record sexlab upload to porn site= gamer.

My friend we understand each other very well.
In the words of Septimus, "Indeed." Lol :D
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You know. After seeing someone making 500 a month and 250 a month and I look at my 70 a month and reflect on the amount of time I have put in, I realize there is only one way to fix it. Create my own fucking movies. With my own new motion capture and hand created animations and my own custom mods, meshes textures and characters. Fuck it. If there's a problem fix it right? Well this is the only solution I could come up with lol

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