Spyware windows 10 now worse then ever:

*t3589* · March 9, 2017

Telling people to just switch to *nix is somewhat misleading if they don't understand that trading one OS with obfuscated layers between the user and the OS for a new set of obfuscated software isn't exactly effective in getting them out of the weeds.

calranthe · March 10, 2017

Okay this is what I will do, in the next couple of months I will be building my next game beast I will even record it all on my phone probably based on the new Ryzen cpu with a 1080ti and 4 TB of samsung 961 m2 storage.

I will set it up next to my current machine and do real world tests.

Before the tests I will install wine and give that OS every benefit plus it will be running a faster cpu, faster graphics card faster storage.

I will post all results and proofs here in this forum, I will even troubleshoot and spend upto a month trying to get it to the point it can take over my gaming pc completely but I do mean completely, from running the visual novel translator + Atlast for RPG Maker Japanese to launching and playing mass effect Andromeda when it is out, working with all my peripherals including the Vive and Rift.

I will also do the real world test of 3 power off at plug shutdowns to see how it comes back from a power cut.

If it works then I will happily switch Wife's gaming pc and the media pc.

*t3589* · March 10, 2017

You might try ReactOS. I haven't tried it yet, but I've been hearing good things. Some friends have gotten a few major titles working with it, though it's still a bit buggy. Looks promising though.

calranthe · March 10, 2017

Will look into it, had to scale it down to 2 m2 HD due to chipset/board limitations, but will still leave it for a couple of months with Ryzen being a brand new release and boards just releasing.

bjornk · March 17, 2017

Two good reasons to stay away from every MS product forever...

"Windows 10 Creators Update shows ads in Explorer"

http://techreport.com/news/31560/windows-10-creators-update-shows-ads-in-explorer

"Microsoft says it's blocking Windows 7, 8 patches on latest AMD, Intel chips"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3181814/windows/microsoft-says-its-blocking-windows-7-8-patches-on-latest-amd-intel-chips.html

lekky · March 17, 2017

for those of you thinking your hardware change will cripple you, i have a possible remedy. i bought win10 off amazon around july-ish of 2015. If you can get a copy of the iso for my particular version of win10, you'll also find there's a bug from disabling certain services (including update) that enables you to never have to register windows and it never asks you to. i think it just bugs out. i've also used quarantine from comodo to kill cortana and defender processes so that you can actually delete them without them coming back.

also, if you pre-partition on a fresh install, you can eventually get it to not be able to install the windows dedicated system partition that does whatever who knows what it really does, by partitioning all of the space on a drive. it'll try to correct this each time and making the partition for windows system, but just keep deleting that partion space that it steals from the last partion you made, and eventually the space it has left to steal gets smaller and smaller until it can't make a large enough partition and it fails. it says something about it trying to fix the partition on boot but so far it really hasn't done anything. EDIT: i only have 4 partitions so you don't have to do it that much. //end edit

also, some of the services are daisy chain exploitable so that some of the services you aren't allowed to turn off, you can cripple by turning off a dependancy and moving up the list. the only catch is svchost.exe which is a blanket app for controlling service connections and is basically the only thing you need to allow for internet connectivity. still, you don't really know what services it's letting communicate. which is why i turn them all off that i don't explicitly need. and before you call me out on tin-foil-ism let me tell you.. if you get comodo and crank up the Defense+ HIPS for custom ruleset, you'll start being able to actually see, by notification, exactly just how much win10 processes work together to try and reach the net.. even processes that have no business connecting try.

EDIT: also, if you need compatibility for legacy exe's to run, like the old freeware mechwarrior game or whatever, you turn on DirectPlay in the windows features section in the Programs and Features list. and more helpful, you'll most likely need a .netframework 3.5 and i found a way to install it manually so that you really don't have to connect to the windows store for anything at all. there's a command line you can google that invokes some utility that installs 3.5 from the installation media. however, i had to move the media to a usb and keep the file struction in the root of the drive so that i could get the command to work. //end edit

OS Name   Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version   10.0.10240 Build 10240
Other OS Description    Not Available
OS Manufacturer   Microsoft Corporation
System Name   RESET
System Manufacturer   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model   GA-990FXA-UD3
System Type   x64-based PC
System SKU
Processor   AMD Phenom II X4 975 Processor, 3624 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date   Award Software International, Inc. F9, 10/22/2012
SMBIOS Version   2.4
Embedded Controller Version   255.255
BIOS Mode   Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer   Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
BaseBoard Model   Not Available
BaseBoard Name   Base Board
Platform Role   Desktop
Secure Boot State   Unsupported
PCR7 Configuration   Binding Not Possible
Windows Directory   C:\Windows
System Directory   C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device   \Device\HarddiskVolume4
Locale   United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer   Version = "10.0.10240.16384"
User Name   RESET\reset
Time Zone   Pacific Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM)   4.00 GB
Total Physical Memory   4.00 GB
Available Physical Memory   3.02 GB
Total Virtual Memory   6.24 GB
Available Virtual Memory   4.94 GB
Page File Space   2.24 GB
Page File   C:\pagefile.sys
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions   Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions   Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware   Yes
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection   Yes

i have the iso creation tools and the iso for this version, but even though i own it and it's a 'free' distro, i'm not quite sure about the legality of distributing it. any thoughts? Just think of if everyone could use this version. it really would be a free windows.

March 18, 2017

Anecdotal information follows,
and I do not write as well as most of you.
I'm not even sure it's in the right thread (it was this or "the new internet surveillance")
But I took issue and still do that One company (namely, Microsoft) is evil because it spies on what you do.

I don't know if you've ever read a TOS from Apple, but they say they'll spy on you, and at least one device I bought from them would not let you use the device at all unless you agreed.
Nobody's waste is sugar free and biodegradable.
But it's turned into a fashion freakiing trend, people buy apple by the tons.
Samsung too.
But all that was just an intro for the TOS ("TOU" they call it) from a tiny program I just downloaded from Samsung, which uses a tethering cord to let you answer calls and receive alerts from the phone.
For that convenience you lose all rights to privacy on the phone and your PC, and agree to be governed by the republic of Korea.

Korea is in the news a LOT these days, but that's a different subject. Is Samsung being hacked as I write this? Probably.
Is the hacker(s) home grown heroes who will show up later on Fox news and CNN? probably.

I won't use the program, but at least it told me in relatively plain english how screwed privacy is.

4. Consent for Data Use
You agree that Samsung or the parties entrusted by Samsung may, to the maximum extent permitted under the applicable law, collect and use data from your device on a regular basis. This data will include technologies, error information concerning digital devices and software, and customer management related information (namely usage pattern information such as the frequency of use of particular functions, frequency of installation/uninstallation and types of file formats that have been added etc.) as well as technical information about your computer, systems, application programs and peripherals.

These TOU shall be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Korea without reference to the principle of conflict of laws. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for International Sale of Goods is hereby expressly excluded. Should any provision or a part of it be found not to be enforceable, the other provisions of these TOU are continuously and completely valid.

zzz72w3r · March 18, 2017

Windows 10 got nothing on Android when it comes to spying on you, or worse, manipulating you.

Everything we fear that Google and Facebook "might" be doing, their counterparts in China are already doing it. China's Tencent is worth 1/2 of Facebook ($200bln vs. $400bln) but only has 1/4 of Facebook users. On top of that Tecent users probably only earn 1/2 of what Facebook users earn, at most. This means Tecent is able to extract about 8x more from its "products" than Facebook. It's all thanks to Android handing app whatever your personal info it wants as long as you OK the EULA. In Tencent's case its EULA basically says it can do and take whatever it wants in your phone.

*D_ManXX2* · March 19, 2017

yes but China is no democracy so something like spying is natural. is to be expected. but countries who claim they are a democarcy and are spying are nothing but hypocrites.

I think people are forgetting what freedom really means. and soon it will be nothing but flowting dream. and when we wake up, it will all be gone for good.

zzz72w3r · March 19, 2017

I respectively disagree. Android by default is designed to track, store and analyze YOU, more important most Android devices are locked and often not even rootable, i.e. user has no direct control what Android does with their personal info. That the West has more private and public institutional scrutiny over the behaviors of corporations do not make Android less a spyware OS than Windows. Windows 10 machines, at least for now, is still in its default state a rooted OS where users have control, designed for users and not for corporations looking to turn users of the OS into products.

There is a reason that more and more Chinese Internet services are dropping support for Windows and forcing their users to Android only. These companies realize that with Android they no only get to sell you a service but also can manipulate you and get to turn around and sell you as a product to other companies. They cannot do that in Windows, actually many did try but Windows has more safeguards. Many malware behaviors in Windows are acceptable on Android. China is already the largest e-commerce market in the world and democracy has nothing to do with it. It's unchecked market force. We in the West cannot just chalk it up as "oh, it's China."

skyrimsucks · March 19, 2017

linux mint works faster from pendrive than windows from ssd. that being said it still has lot of support issues especially for gpus and games. also updates that brake kernel/core functionality do happen on linux, its common sense to turn them off just like on windows.

*Kimy* · March 19, 2017

While you are correct that the average Android phone will track the hell out of you, it's important to note that Android as in the operating system does NOT track you. The pre-installed Google services most people use without thinking twice, do. You can escape the tracking quite easily by not using/disabling Google services. In Windows 10, escaping the tracking is infeasible.

It is correct that China is pushing a customized Linux distro, but the reason for them is reducing dependency on (potentially compromised) US-made software. Their surveillance does actually rely very little on putting compromised software on user's devices. They don't need that, since they control the entire nation's internet and can track you just nicely with that. Microsoft, Apple and Google don't have that luxury (yet), so they make you use tainted software.

*t3589* · March 19, 2017

There are (or soon will be) so many devices in the world, that every man, woman, and child on the face of the planet could have hundreds of them each. The majority of these devices run some form of linux (not windows). Almost all of these devices spy on you in some fashion or another as a core function. Ergo, linux is spying on far more people than MS could imagine in their wettest dream.

So let's stop pretending shall we?

EDIT: Switching to linux without the technical knowledge of what's going on under the hood of your OS as a solution to avoid windows spyware is folly.

EDITx2: Question. Do you think major Linux distros don't spy on you because they're somehow more ethically inclined than MS? Do you think they're immune to the same temptations? If yes, I think you're kidding yourself.

EDITx3: The internet of things will destroy us all.

*Kimy* · March 19, 2017

Well, it's a bit silly to blame Linux for people writing -applications- for it that do track you. No major Linux distro I am aware of comes with built-in tracking functionality. Unlike Windows 10. The closest thing there ever was to that was the Amazon-enabled search built into Ubuntu a few versions ago, and that was like super-mild compared to what Windows 10 does and if I remember right, got disabled by default since then.

The only Linux derivate I am aware of having built in tracking functionality is maintained by the North Korean government. Not too surprising in their case. *shrug*

*t3589* · March 19, 2017

Interesting read.

I'm not presenting that as evidence of any argument mind you. I'm not at all blaming linux, I'm just being honest. My point is that it's a mistake to put all of our 'evil eggs' in one 'evil basket', label it MS, and call it a day.

Great presentation.

mangalo · March 19, 2017

Funny how the exact same video popped on my Youtube recommendations this morning

*Kimy* · March 19, 2017

Well, it boils down to that: If any company builds a Linux distro you don't like for any reason, or bundles it with stuff you don't like, or features you don't agree with: Use another. There are plenty. If they all start tracking you, build your own.

Try the same with Windows.

Case closed.

March 19, 2017

I wrote a nice reply and it just was erased. I had all sorts of disjointed arguments, and some were eloquent, I thought.

But this browser does terrible in loverslab, and eventually (after pressing "backspace") the entire entry was removed.

I still love the browser, it's almost the only one I use.

My point is, why should people care what I use? Hackers care a LOT, and people who steal passwords need to know.

If we all hunkered down and got together on which sites to frequent, which broswers to use, what OS's to buy, the Edward Snowdens of the world would have a much easier time of it.

It isn't polite to direct one's reply directly at a post-er, and I won't.

bit it's irksome to be told what trendy thing to buy.

And My OS (btw) is the most cobbled together thing I know of anywhere. It has few "apps" and has no App page I could find (I KNOW it's there, but it is hiding)

I don't trust open source, or should I say "easily modified open source". Cobbling together Linux would be like that, trusting people because they sound trustworthy, to have the right and current and non-conflicting section of code, and reading books to put them all together.

Linux assembled this system, and then I said "thank you, Bye"

Dee383 · March 19, 2017

Its Getting To A Point Now That Your Not Going To Have Much Of A Choice Especially If You Need Windows 10 For Skylake Or Ryzen As Theres No Win 7 CPU Support ...

*Kimy* · March 20, 2017

I guess the entire point of this discussion is that you HAVE a choice. If you allow yourself to have a choice, that is. If you chose to stick to Windows, because one has to stick to Windows, and because everyone else is using Windows, and no cool game ever runs in an OS not called Windows....well...then you don't have a choice. But then you also got no grounds to complain.

Dee383 · March 20, 2017

Ahh Just Because Of What I Said In My Last Post Means Im Happy With MS Windows If I Could Find An OS That All My Programs & Games Would Run Like They Do On Windows 7

I Would NEVER Use A Windows OS Ever Again ..... And Until There Is Another OS That Does, Microsoft Will Always Be Master , We Need Another Windows Based OS On The Market

To Shake Things Up Microsoft Have Had Their Own Way For Far Too Long ...........

lekky · March 20, 2017

i think you're using the wrong linux bruh

EDIT: I did encounter some funky stuff in mint though. but it was just a local annoyance like file history in a favorites or recent list that i couldn't turn off.

EDITx2: Droid should not count as "Linux".

EDITx3: You have a good point to be wary. But, the fact that you can seriously build your own Linux from open source core files and just piece it together, means you get to choose the evil eggs. and most of the time, it's evil eggs that benefit you, like easy MAC address spoofing from 2 lines of code, to the most powerful pentesting suite tools known to man. all free and open source. I say, you have to prioritize your evils at some point and take it one thing at a time. Though, at this time, it isn't Linux. (not droid, but linux)

*pinky6225* · March 20, 2017

tbh more pissed at MS that i couldn't watch .mpegs for the last 5 days due to a update breaking them (that was fixed today and lists it as a "known issue" despite me googling for fixes and finding fuck all) than i am on them spying on me

Make all the spyware you want but make a OS and updating system that doesnt fuck up first

May 30, 2017

I tried the free version of Windows 10 for about 2 weeks. It really is spyware...I reinstalled Windows 7 and will never upgrade again, if I have to I will change operating systems. Windows 10 is the NWO version of Windows made for the global fascist dictatorship. The more knowledge they collect about you...the more control they have.

khumak · May 30, 2017

Microsoft definitely gets a fail on the privacy front for Windows 10, but it's not like you can avoid being spied on unless you want to go live off the grid in a cave somewhere in the mountains... You're already being spied on by your ISP, your phone company, Facebook, whatever search engine you use, whoever you get your TV programming from (doesn't matter if it's live or streaming only), the NSA, every advertiser that makes it past your ad blocker, etc.

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