bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 whats the point of having 3 different skyrim version ?Exactly. There's no other game on Steam that coexists with its upgraded version. anyways game is a separate title its been confirmed it will not replace any current skyrim installation it will be installed in its own separate folder.They confirmed that the SE will be a "separate entry", not a "different game". Legendary Edition was a "separate entry" on Steam and it isn't anymore. Bethesda's intention is quite obvious and they can only achieve that by updating/upgrading the Creation Kit, which applies to *all* versions of Skyrim. Your Skyrim CD key will unlock the SE, yes, perhaps as a different game, rather than an upgrade or a new DLC. But there's a reason why Bethesda is doing this and being released as a different game defeats that purpose.
RUD3DUD3 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 whats the point of having 3 different skyrim version ?Exactly. There's no other game on Steam that coexists with its upgraded version. anyways game is a separate title its been confirmed it will not replace any current skyrim installation it will be installed in its own separate folder.They confirmed that the SE will be a "separate entry", not a "different game". Legendary Edition was a "separate entry" on Steam and it isn't anymore. Bethesda's intention is quite obvious and they can only achieve that by updating/upgrading the Creation Kit, which applies to *all* versions of Skyrim. Your Skyrim CD key will unlock the SE, yes, perhaps as a different game, rather than an upgrade or a new DLC. But there's a reason why Bethesda is doing this and being released as a different game defeats that purpose. then what will happen to the people who cant run remastered special edition ?? there game simply won't vanish from their game library. they cant replace current skyrim because of the changed system requirement original game runs on a potato, remaster wont run on a potato. they cant replace original with remastered also creation kit is installed inside game's directory so special edition will have its own creation kit installed inside its own directory.
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 then what will happen to the people who cant run remastered special edition ?? there game simply won't vanish from their game library. they cant replace current skyrim because of the changed system requirement original game runs on a potato, remaster wont run on a potato. they cant replace original with remastered also creation kit is installed inside game's directory so special edition will have its own creation kit installed inside its own directory.I've already answered that question in my post above. You will be able to run the old 32-bit version, but there won't be two separate Creation Kits.
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I've already answered that question in my post above. You will be able to run the old 32-bit version, but there won't be two separate Creation Kits. I am not sure about this statement. The old CK may be still the old one, and will work on the old game. And probably we will get a variant of the CK64 (the one for FO4) probably installed in the new directory of the game. I don't see why the old CK and the new one have to compete. There is no reason to develop such thing. And I also guess that the "new CK" will be downloaded only from Beth.net and not from Steam. (Not a big deal.)
ClawDraconia Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 whats the point of having 3 different skyrim version ?Exactly. There's no other game on Steam that coexists with its upgraded version. anyways game is a separate title its been confirmed it will not replace any current skyrim installation it will be installed in its own separate folder.They confirmed that the SE will be a "separate entry", not a "different game". Legendary Edition was a "separate entry" on Steam and it isn't anymore. Bethesda's intention is quite obvious and they can only achieve that by updating/upgrading the Creation Kit, which applies to *all* versions of Skyrim. Your Skyrim CD key will unlock the SE, yes, perhaps as a different game, rather than an upgrade or a new DLC. But there's a reason why Bethesda is doing this and being released as a different game defeats that purpose. then what will happen to the people who cant run remastered special edition ?? there game simply won't vanish from their game library. they cant replace current skyrim because of the changed system requirement original game runs on a potato, remaster wont run on a potato. they cant replace original with remastered also creation kit is installed inside game's directory so special edition will have its own creation kit installed inside its own directory. In the same order of things, what will happen to people who got only Skyrim V with any of the DLC, or Skyrim V and only one or another of the DLC?, as it is said only people who got Legendary edition, or all the dlc will get a free copy...
RUD3DUD3 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Breaking News - SkyUI won't be updated to special edition...... atleast by schlangster who wrote codes for the mods file. he has no interest in doing it again for another game version
Kaz Aanh Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Breaking News - SkyUI won't be updated to special edition...... atleast by schlangster who wrote codes for the mods file. he has no interest in doing it again for another game version There are plenty of other modders who will pick this mod and update it to the new standards. See this is what happens when you don't get paid. If no one there will be a new alternative.
Aensland_src Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I don't understand why most people here are all negative about this new Skyrim SE, you are not going to pay for it... its a free update, if you want to keep your skyrim as you have it already just don't update, no need to bitch about it. on the other hand in my opinion this is an awesome opportunity for the modding community, by the simple fact that this will make bethesda to keep improving and updating the game for a while since they cannot just leave the bugs for the console version, and they will obviously bring those fixes for the pc version because is there were the main feature of this new SE is, the mods. Also I'm pretty sure they didn't just updated the graphics... I hope they made it an 64 bit exe, with that alone I would totally pay for it, the memory patches and fixes are not an excuse to say skyrim is all good as it is actually, having native 64 bit support is nothing comparable. Te good things that can happen with this new Skyrim Remaster: -64 bits Executable -Engine improvements and bug fixes -More updates and fixes incoming in continuation with the console versions -fix the damn grass not receiving light from dynamic lights -Add wet shaders for rain like in FO4 -no more light source limits - graphics improvements can let you now get rid of those same effects on enb and get better performance, by just using the in game ones like DOF for example. I just hope any of these things got real 1. Spend the next three days reading every post on Beth.net before posting in this thread again. 2. Until four hours after the e3 presentation it was not made public that it was a separate SKU and separate catalog entry for PC users, which means valve would have to be reminded they have a legal obligation to keep the original version up for windos xp users otherwise. yes debatable at best yet to be proven fixed for particular enb users again already present for enb users, already present for anyone using SKSE, no proof Beth is changing texture type or format which is necessary to fucntion absolutely incorrect FO4 absolutely has light limits, and has in fact patched lights out to preserve performance the only effect shown that is superior to enb is godrays, period, nothing else is even close in quality level math lol, no. This can literally be a recompile with very very few code changes if beth so desired, already happened with AvP and Unreal, which are virtually identical except for memory allocation. -grass not receiving lights has nothing to do with ENB at all its an engine limitation - wet shader also has nothing to do with ENB -FO4 obviously has limits but not as old skyrim engine does -I never said anything about "superior" I'm an ENB User...
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I've already answered that question in my post above. You will be able to run the old 32-bit version, but there won't be two separate Creation Kits. I am not sure about this statement. The old CK may be still the old one, and will work on the old game. And probably we will get a variant of the CK64 (the one for FO4) probably installed in the new directory of the game. I don't see why the old CK and the new one have to compete. There is no reason to develop such thing. And I also guess that the "new CK" will be downloaded only from Beth.net and not from Steam. (Not a big deal.) You're missing the point here. Yes, the old CK and new one can technically coexist, but the purpose of this so called "remaster" is to coax Skyrim modders to use the new CK so that they can create mods for consoles, upload mods to beth.net thus boost its popularity and create a market for future paid mods. What would be the point of all this if people will continue to what they've been doing as if nothing has happened? What's the point of "remastering" (remaster my ass) a 5 year old game and giving it for free if Bethesda won't gain anything from that? In the same order of things, what will happen to people who got only Skyrim V with any of the DLC, or Skyrim V and only one or another of the DLC?, as it is said only people who got Legendary edition, or all the dlc will get a free copy...The same thing happened to the owners of FO3. The base game will be upgraded to the new one, and that's all.
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 In the same order of things, what will happen to people who got only Skyrim V with any of the DLC, or Skyrim V and only one or another of the DLC?, as it is said only people who got Legendary edition, or all the dlc will get a free copy... You get the free edition in only two conditions: 1) You own the Legendary edition for PC. 2) You own the original game and all of the DLCs for PC. No free update for console is planned. (This because the enhanced edition will not work on XB360 or PS3. And never happend that you get a free game for a console if you had it for a previous version of the console.) In case you miss some of the DLCs probably you can buy them, and then upgrade for free.
zzz72w3r Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 legendary edition is now on original skyrim's store page http://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/ And it is no longer a separate entry on Steam, just a bundle of DLCs. Can you guess why? Let me tell you, because as I've written above, all editions of Skyrim will get upgraded, not just the Legendary Edition. It's pretty much like FO3 and FO3 GoTY Edition. They share the same base game, GoTY also has all 5 DLCs on top of that. The same will eventually happen to Skyrim, same base game, and the Legendary Edition Special Edition with all 3 DLCs. I am guessing you never bought the Legendary edition. In Steam there was never a single entity called "Legendary". It's always just a bundle. When I got mine I thought there was a mistake as all I got was "regular" Skyrim in my library until I read somewhere that "Legendary" on Steam is just regular Skryim with 4 DLC. The new store page is just exactly that. Skyrim, the "Legendary" bundle and all the DLC.
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 You're missing the point here. Yes, the old CK and new one can technically coexist, but the purpose of this so called "remaster" is to coax Skyrim modders to use the new CK so that they can create mods for consoles, upload mods to beth.net thus boost its popularity and create a market for future paid mods. Again I do not (respectfully) agree. Do you understand that the revenues from payed modding are marginal? We will see in October. Right now these are just ours speculations.
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I am guessing you never bought the Legendary edition. In Steam there was never a single entity called "Legendary".You're guessing wrong. It was a "bundle" with its own separate entry. Go read my post "properly" and check the link I posted. Do you understand that the revenues from payed modding are marginal?Do you believe that they are giving you this "remastered" game for free, out of kindness? We will see in October. Right now these are just ours speculations.Yes, of course, but I think I should perhaps keep a few "I've told you so" meme pics in some place handy.
zzz72w3r Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I am guessing you never bought the Legendary edition. In Steam there was never a single entity called "Legendary".You're guessing wrong. It was a "bundle" with its own separate entry. Go read my post "properly" and check the link I posted. I did. Having a separate web page does not a separate item make. When you buy the Legendary Edition Steam simply sends the regular Skyrim and 4 DLC separately to your library. There is no such thing as a Skryim Legendary game where the DLC is integrated into a single download with the base game. All I see is that Steam is rearranging its display in preparation for the Special Edition, which according to all credited accounts is indeed a separate game. I am sure they did it so it is easier to explain to people on a single page how to get the free SE version, buy the legendary bundle or add any DLC you need to fill the require set. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Do you believe that they are giving you this "remastered" game for free, out of kindness? I already wrote my point of view. Let me summarize it. The amount of copies for PC is a fraction (I think @zzz72w3r did a better calculation than mine) of the console copies. Something like 20:1 So, giving for free about 5% of the revenue, with a marginal development cost (because writing a game for XB1 and PC share tons of the effort) is more a marketing campaign, with a really low price. But because "mods" (that is just a new marketing feature) are done by "PC modders" is good to keep them happy with this little upgrade. So yes. They are giving it to PC for free. It has a marginal cost, but will produce tons of new revenues from a different sector. By also keeping the "modders" happy to do new stuff, and again, increasing the sales on consoles. I see it like that. Again, it is just my hypothesis.
Gameplayer Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I would imagine the PC crowd gets the Remaster for free cause we are the ones developing the game mods that draw in their newly founded crowd that is recklessly hyped to whole new levels of hypenestity that demand access to mods. Who makes the mods? Console users?
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Do you believe that they are giving you this "remastered" game for free, out of kindness? I already wrote my point of view. Let me summarize it. The amount of copies for PC is a fraction (I think @zzz72w3r did a better calculation than mine) of the console copies. Something like 20:1 So, giving for free about 5% of the revenue, with a marginal development cost (because writing a game for XB1 and PC share tons of the effort) is more a marketing campaign, with a really low price. But because "mods" (that is just a new marketing feature) are done by "PC modders" is good to keep them happy with this little upgrade. So yes. They are giving it to PC for free. It has a marginal cost, but will produce tons of new revenues from a different sector. By also keeping the "modders" happy to do new stuff, and again, increasing the sales on consoles. I see it like that. Again, it is just my hypothesis. How is that any different from what I've said? the purpose of this so called "remaster" is to coax Skyrim modders to use the new CK so that they can create mods for consoles, upload mods to beth.net thus boost its popularity and create a market for future paid mods.
zzz72w3r Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I am guessing you never bought the Legendary edition. In Steam there was never a single entity called "Legendary".You're guessing wrong. It was a "bundle" with its own separate entry. Go read my post "properly" and check the link I posted. Do you understand that the revenues from payed modding are marginal?Do you believe that they are giving you this "remastered" game for free, out of kindness? We will see in October. Right now these are just ours speculations.Yes, of course, but I think I should perhaps keep a few "I've told you so" meme pics in some place handy. It has stated many many times in the various threads that "gift" to PC owners is to bribe mod creators to port their mods over so Beth can get the console players to buy the Special Edition. SE is not free for console. To mod for console you also need the PC version and there is no way any mod creator will buy the PC Special Edition. Having a lot of Skyrim SE mods will also contribute in Beth.net's popularity, which Bethesda needs if they want to bring back pay mods.
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 It has stated many many times in the various threads that "gift" to PC owners is to bribe mod creators to port their mods over so Beth can get the console players to buy the Special Edition. SE is not free for console. To mod for console you also need the PC version and there is no way any mod creator will buy the PC Special Edition. Having a lot of Skyrim SE mods will also contribute in Beth.net's popularity, which Bethesda needs if they want to bring back pay mods. What I've said is essentially the same, except you call that a "gift", I call it a "bait".
Guest Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 What I've said is essentially the same, except you call that a "gift", I call it a "bait". I don't call it a "gift" (nothing is free in this world) or a "bait" (you are not obliged to get it or to do mods). I prefer to call it "strategic investment".
zzz72w3r Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 It has stated many many times in the various threads that "gift" to PC owners is to bribe mod creators to port their mods over so Beth can get the console players to buy the Special Edition. SE is not free for console. To mod for console you also need the PC version and there is no way any mod creator will buy the PC Special Edition. Having a lot of Skyrim SE mods will also contribute in Beth.net's popularity, which Bethesda needs if they want to bring back pay mods. What I've said is essentially the same, except you call that a "gift", I call it a "bait". No, what you were saying in the original post was scaremongering people that Beth will force Special Edition on us and replace our old Skyrim. Now that we agree SE is a separate game and will not destroy our existing Skyrim install I think we can all move on from this particular point. EDIT: spelling mistake
bjornk Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 What I've said is essentially the same, except you call that a "gift", I call it a "bait". I don't call it a "gift" (nothing is free in this world) or a "bait" (you are not obliged to get it or to do mods). I prefer to call it "strategic investment". LOL, isn't a "bait" a strategic investment as well? No, what you were saying in the original post was scaremongering people that Beth will force Special Edition on us and replace our old Skyrim. I only agree with you on Bethesda's intention with releasing the SE for free, I haven't said anything that suggest otherwise. Yes, I predict a forced upgrade, feel free to call it whatever you want. Now that we agree SE is a separate game and will not destroy our existing Skyrim install No, we haven't agreed on that. PS. The "Legendary Edition" of Skyrim was sold as a separate title in all retailers, as a downloadable game as well as DVDs for PCs and consoles, even though it's technically the same game bundled with DLCs, and it's no longer a separate title on Steam.
Lexi SubZero Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 whats the point of having 3 different skyrim version ?Exactly. There's no other game on Steam that coexists with its upgraded version. Original versions of Darksiders II and Sleeping Dogs? ...I mean you can't buy them directly on Steam anymore but if you own them already, nothing prevents you from installing and playing them.
Content Consumer Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 whats the point of having 3 different skyrim version ? I imagine for the same reason that people have multiple profiles in MO. Today I might want to play with my Sexlab mods, but tomorrow I might want to use my alt character on the prettified Skyrim instead. I guess.
crusher Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 gah, just uninstalled Skyrim; I guess a six month break will be enough... and with such a short term memory all the quests will feel like new. Bethesda, "Things to consider": Survival Mode VR Feature Modding Animation Workflow Built-in MCM oh, and "settlement building" might bring back the die-hardened. Even if it is a paid DLC addon, or season pass etc.
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