Am I the only one who enjoys vanilla Skyrim?

[afa]

I would not be playing the game at all if it isn't for mod.

 

But I do find gameplay of skyrim to be ok, probably better than the previous titles.

Combat is fine, it is a rpg where stats and dice roll needs to play the major role, this isn't devil may cry or god of war.

 

The balance aspect is a tough act. Here are some numbers for reference

Generally leveled mob start at 50 health/magicka/stamina (hms) at level 1, so at level 1 PC has the advantage base on hms with 100 each.

However PC gets to invest in 10 points in hms per level, but NPCs get 15 with 5 of 15 guarantee towards health, in other words they always gets 5 health per level and then 10 more to split between health, magicka, or stamina base on class.

 

NPC and PC skills also scale differently, 10 in one hand for npc is more powerful than 10 in one hand for PC. Likewise for two hand, archery, light and heavy armor.

At 100 skill I think PC is at half the damage of an NPC assuming same weapon. PC perk sometimes counterbalances that. NPC occasionally have standard perk. Some NPCs have special damage multiplier perks that let them deal straight up 1.5, 2, or 3 times more damage.

Unlike the player where skill level and character level are linked base on exp gain, NPC usually gain 8 skill points per level that is split base on class.

Also I think NPCs arrows damage is multiply rather than add like that of PC.

 

Most leveled enemies have a break point for the next level of it, and they also have a cap. You won't find basic bandits over level ~30, Reavers might get a little higher, bears 16, draugr ~45, giants are always 32, I believe dragons are highest with 75. Unique enemies not withstanding.

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This thread is getting hilarious, cause people are trying to force their opinions on others.

 

Hell in the end it really is just opinions, not a who's right and who's wrong xd

He ask a question so he get it on a forum for mods.

 

Why he don't get it is beyond me because why is he even comming here to troll or bait?

Who are forcing who?

 

He makes a topic ask question why vanilla should be modded on forum for mods lol, so people reply with why skyrim should be modded seems logic to me.

 

That is how a forum works, i don't see anyone forcing anyone else there just opinions that's all on a question he ask.

 

He is more forcing his opinion more on us then other way around, if you look at it, then most here do.

 

It's more hilarious ask why you should mod your vanilla skyrim on mod forum

 

To OP if you don't get it why Skyrim should be modded why you come to mod forum?

 

It's so obvious and clear why Skyrim should be modded if its graphics or more suited for PC because vanilla Skyrim is bad CONSOLE PORT and full of bugs which needed to be adressed by mods.

 

SkyUI-Sheson's memory patch ENB Live another live to name a few MODS of thousends of mods that enhance Skyrim to way BETTER game.

 

Vanilla Skyrim is just a crappy console port if no mods i would never have bought Skyrim.

 

Kudos and credits to all modders out there small or big no matter THANK YOU!

[Effie]

 

 

Why he don't get it is beyond me because why is he even comming here to troll or bait?

Who are forcing who?

 

He makes a topic ask question why vanilla should be modded on forum for mods lol, so people reply with why skyrim should be modded seems logic to me.

 

That is how a forum works, i don't see anyone forcing anyone else there just opinions that's all on a question he ask.

 

He is more forcing his opinion more on us then other way around, if you look at it, then most here do.

 

It's more hilarious ask why you should mod your vanilla skyrim on mod forum

 

To OP if you don't get it why Skyrim should be modded why you come to mod forum?

 

It's so obvious and clear why Skyrim should be modded if its graphics or more suited for PC because vanilla Skyrim is bad CONSOLE PORT and full of bugs which needed to be adressed by mods.

 

SkyUI-Sheson's memory patch ENB Live another live to name a few MODS of thousends of mods that enhance Skyrim to way BETTER game.

 

Vanilla Skyrim is just a crappy console port if no mods i would never have bought Skyrim.

 

 

 

What i mean is that people are arguing with each why vanilla is best and why modded is best, which to me just looks stupid cause it all comes down to personal opinions

Yet people are each trying to justify all the perfect things about it, almost as if they're trying to convert each other haha.

It's just fun to me seeing such debate threads where people just end being like "No my playing-preferences is better because bla bla" ^^

[Guest]

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nope because you have played requiem in your imagination

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This made me wonder. I wonder how many persons play mods as they were really intended in the modder's mind, instead than rage quit after few minutes if something's wrong

[Veladarius]

I played it enough without mods and would have stopped long ago if there were none, Skyrim is good but the quests and npc's are rather shallow. With mods I want to see how good Skyrim can get.

[rahrahrah]

I'm pretty sure people tell themselves before any new Beth game is even released that it needs mods and that it needs tons of bugs fixing.  Personally on my first clean play-through I never had any bugs or broken quests.  The only thing crashing my game is mods but they're ones that I really like so I deal with it.

[Erebea]

My feelings about combat are mixed, some aspects are fine, others leave a lot to be desired. Skyrim is definitely a good looking game.

 

I don't agree that Skyrim is chock-full of content. A lot of the quests to me are repetitive and predictable, typically padding out the game's length without any effort, by requiring the player to travel great distances to complete.

 

As someone who doesn't fast travel most the time, encounters go from one extreme to another. Often I don't come across anything, not even a solitary wolf! While last week I encountered three sabre cats, and ran away from them due to being at a lowish level without any followers, only to then encounter the imperial imposters! So I ended up with six hostiles after me, which isn't something that normally happens.

 

Skyrim just feels incomplete, and seeing as Bethesda never completed a lot of the content it isn't a full game in my eyes. Rarely does the DLC help, usually I only complete Dawnguard and ignore the other two DLC.

 

I can understand playing vanilla for the first two or three playthroughs, taking sides with the civil war, then being neutral – just after that I don't understand what the draw would be in playing vanilla. If it weren't for mods I would have stopped playing years ago, though it would be nice to give up my addiction!

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure people tell themselves before any new Beth game is even released that it needs mods and that it needs tons of bugs fixing.  Personally on my first clean play-through I never had any bugs or broken quests.  The only thing crashing my game is mods but they're ones that I really like so I deal with it.

That depends when you started playing of course, I guess you must have had the luxury of playing a patched game. Launch Skyrim sans patches wasn't as bad as I was expecting, not by Bethesda's usual standards anyway.

 

Even so, my first experience of the game was a hectic tumbling wagon ride and single digit fps on entering Helgen,  and a  CTD after I'd spent 50 minutes trying (and failing) to make a female character that didn't look like they'd been got at by Jocelyn Wildenstein's surgeon. The second attempt crashed when Alduin did his shout, and in the third Ralof never made it to Riverwood like we'd planned but that didn't stop Gerder and Hod having their dialogue with him anyway. 

 

Fun times. 

[Stevierage]

Played vanilla Skyrim when it was released for about 20+ hrs, then i got bored of it (mostly combat).

The first dragon battle sort of disappointed me, though that could have been my fault as when got the quest to go kill it, i thought i'll level up first and roamed the world doing sub quests and killing anything i see.

By the time i thought "i'll go kill the dragon now", i was high leveled (and at this point i was already getting bored of the combat) and killed it very quickly and thought 'that's it?'.

Closed down the game and didn't touch it for about a year and half later when some half decent mods became available, but even then it still didn't keep playing it (took another year or so).

 

So it was 2-3 years after it was released, hundreds of mods to improve the game and learning to make my own mods other then just simply installing them, did i start to enjoy Skyrim.

Even then i get more enjoyment modding it and making mods than actually playing it.

Longest play-through was about 80+hrs and had a few of them but had to restart due to either messed up saves or new big mods that require a restart.

Only ever done the Main quest once or twice, started Dawnguard but never finished it, and have never set foot in Solstheim. 

 

My PC is mediocre and can't afford new PC atm, but when i do, i want it to be the way i want the game to be and spend hundreds of hours just playing the game.

I'm happy enough to just keep looking at mods, creating and modifying other peoples mods and add them to my list of 'must have mods' to use through a (in my eyes) a true proper play-through.   

[yatol]

 

What i mean is that people are arguing with each why vanilla is best and why modded is best, which to me just looks stupid cause it all comes down to personal opinions

Yet people are each trying to justify all the perfect things about it, almost as if they're trying to convert each other haha.

It's just fun to me seeing such debate threads where people just end being like "No my playing-preferences is better because bla bla" ^^

 

 

there's nothing to debate

 

if you install a mod, that's to replace something with something you like more

another one may like something else more

 

it's all about taste

[Effie]

there's nothing to debate

 

if you install a mod, that's to replace something with something you like more

another one may like something else more

 

it's all about taste

 

Exactly my point

[NewIdol]

I think that the game itself is pretty good but when I played with my ex, between both finished the main quest, Winterhold, dark brotherhood, guild of thieves, got almost all the shouting, we completed the quest for empire, the companions and we obtained the priests dragon masks (he play in Master and I in Adept) but as he did not have the dlc we get bored and play with other things (that was a couple of years ago) I buy it now but to play it all completely on my own but I install mods to have more things to do and have in the game because I want to play in different ways (and I can do hybrids between wizard / warrior / thief) with the amount of mods that exist I think you can do very different things with the game but this does not mean that it is necessary, the mod is to simply enjoy it as the name suggests is to modify aspects that interest you change for example: I wanted there naked in the game and no strange underwear cloth, I wanted to remove the compass and crosshair from view and only use the map but maybe other people do not like it.

It is the advantage of independent game that you do not affect anyone else.

[Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK]

vanilla skyrim is great but mods make it even better, most of my mods are related to grafics, immersion, roleplaying or gear (86% is gear, I love to use smithing and enchanting to created my own magic artefacts and they allmust be diferent and named, one of my characters had over 70 different swords,I kept them just to keep them in display), they add content that bethesda had no time or ideas, my only system changing mods are:

disparity

Perma (perkus maximus)

convenient horses

amazing follower tweaks

better vampires

royalbloodline

moonlight tales

bloodmoon rising

[carnifex]

I never mod a game before getting a good feel of how it handles in vanilla, so I've played quite a lot of vanilla Skyrim when it came out. With my first character, I did the Companions, Dark Brotherhood, Civil War and the main questline, as well as the first few introductory quests for the Thieves Guild and the College and whatever assorted quests I've stumbled upon. Not a completionist playthrough, but I'd say it was pretty involved.

 

Overall, I consider vanilla Skyrim a decent game. I probably wouldn't play it again without mods, but I wouldn't call it unplayable.

[winny257]

Skyrim would be for me already long history, if there were no mods for Skyrim!
There are a proverb, "A game is only as good as its mods".  
I could now never again play Skyrim Vanilla, never.

[carnifex]

I wouldn't keep playing Skyrim either if there weren't quality mods around, but I'd argue that we wouldn't have all the great mods if the vanilla game was utter crap. Sure, Skyrim is flawed in many ways, as evidenced by the number of fan patches, bugfixes and gameplay/quest overhauls. But would someone spend time bug hunting for a game they have no intention playing? Would anyone make a gameplay overhaul if some other aspect of the game didn't keep them interested in the game? Would they make changes, tweaks and expansions to vanilla questlines if they hated them from start to finish? I think not.

 

Skyrim is far from perfect, but it is good enough in a variety of ways to keep people modding it four years after our came out.

[Kaz Aanh]

I wouldn't keep playing Skyrim either if there weren't quality mods around, but I'd argue that we wouldn't have all the great mods if the vanilla game was utter crap. Sure, Skyrim is flawed in many ways, as evidenced by the number of fan patches, bugfixes and gameplay/quest overhauls. But would someone spend time bug hunting for a game they have no intention playing? Would anyone make a gameplay overhaul if some other aspect of the game didn't keep them interested in the game? Would they make changes, tweaks and expansions to vanilla questlines if they hated them from start to finish? I think not.

 

Skyrim is far from perfect, but it is good enough in a variety of ways to keep people modding it four years after our came out.

 

Personally I'm too lazy to install 100 mod overhauls just to enjoy 1 or 2 quests.

 

I hope in Skyrim 2 combat will be more arcade, counterattacks, parrying , blocking , dashing , directional attacks, jump attacks, critical hits , bleeding , injuring ( F3 did it almost good ), of course you couldn't do that in the plate armour.

 

Some QTE would be nice too, think of RE6 perfect counter system + M&B mechanics.

 

Combat in Skyrim feels like a "macheting through the jungle", slicing and mashing left button and drinking 100 pots.

[carnifex]

I hope in Skyrim 2 combat will be more arcade, counterattacks, parrying , blocking , dashing , directional attacks, jump attacks, critical hits , bleeding , injuring ( F3 did it almost good ), of course you couldn't do that in the plate armour.

 

This isn't exactly on topic, but you can do all those things in plate armor. I've seen people doing sommersaults in full plate as well as chainmail, which is generally heavier and more cumbersome than plate, but neither is anything as cumbersome as people imagine.

[Faceless0ne]

Usually i'am kind of a purist, i don't like mods ect. because i think of a Videogame as a piece of art and i want to enjoy it the way the creator want it to be. Nobody wants the Mona Lisa in 3D or with better painting.

 

The Thing with Skyrim is...well i only played Morrowind before and Skyrim has the same Problem. There is nothing that drives you as a charakter to do "stuff". Yeah okay, you're the fucking Dovakin or another random type of world saving super hero but this isn't the way the world works.

Your actions are driven by hunger, exaust, lust or or or. Thats why you do stuff and sadly Bethesta fails to deliver that "need".

 

Most people here are not from central europe, i assume. So i don't know if you (right, you there in the staates behind that dusty monitor) know the Gothic series (Pyrania Bytes). Steam

Part 1 and 2 are great games, in my oppinion much better than vanillia Skyrim. Even though they're also lacking things like the need for food or rest, they deliver a sense of "i must move on to there or there" while giving you (the player) a very good open world feeling.

 

Vanillia Skyrim lacking this i startet, after only about 5-6 hours into the game, to install the first basic mods like iNeed or Frostfall.

And after a while, the mods start to pile up. But, with all hte dependencies and submods, i'll never have gone above 45 to 50 mods at the same time.

Yeah i know, petty number in compareson to some other players...

[Foxkin8008]

I enjoy skyrim vanilla. That said I'm constantly curious as to why the steam panes show off different assets, IE the blonde. Is that an asset dumped or does it exist on a console?

[Mud]

I think the thing is, while Skyrim is good enough for us to want to mod it, its content is still just staggeringly... "meh". The game handles well and is mechanically sound, but there's also nothing to get excited about, and some parts I would even say are badly designed, like Alduin being possibly one of the most anticlimactic final bosses in all of gaming. I'm firmly of the mind that TES is the best exploration simulator out there, but not a very good game - in a game reviewer style the exploration would get 10/10 from me, but the gameplay would be a 6/10 at best. They craft rich worlds and fill them with stuff, enough to immerse us greatly and bring us enjoyment simply through having a world to explore, but the actual game part tends to be sorely lacking when combat is so simple, the plots are so poor, and so forth. Being able to mod the game then builds off that exploration appeal, just as we're free to do many things in the game, we can do whatever the heck we want with mods.

[FauxFurry]

It isn't so much that I don't enjoy the base game of Skyrim (I put in about 200 hours into the Xbox 360 version,after all), but that I enjoy Skyrim so much more when using mods.

 

Then again,there really isn't a game out there that I don't enjoy more when modded,even if it is a simple graphical overhaul(like the ones that I have for Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition) or a nude mod(Resident Evil 5 and 6 are a lot more amusing when,even during the overly melodramatic cutscenes, Chris Redfield has a Redwood jutting from his crotch pointing accusingly at whatever villain is in his path or when Ada Wong neglects to bring a change of clothing in her SCUBA suit in her chapter of RE6 (well,it isn't like she expects anyone to spot her,anyway).

 

People tend to call unmodded games Vanilla for a reason. It is a perfectly fine flavor of ice cream on its own but it also happens to be one of the flavors most enhanced by toppings of various kinds or being blended outright with other flavors.

[Shadowscale]

While the original game+DLC is good on its own. Mods can enhance the experience that even when  you play it for hours it still can give a new feeling when I stumble into an area I haven't previously been to. Its why I have a mod to disable fast travel. Does it add more time to a play through? Yes, but on the same vein it also makes the game take a lot longer to feel like an epic journey instead of done in an afternoon type deal.

[ToJKa]

It's shallow, stupid, fail safe, and doesn't have enough content to be even played as a dungeon crawler sarcastically.

 

I've said it before, and i'll say it again: If there were no mods for BGS games, i'd only buy them as the version with all DLCs from Steam summer sale. For 5€. While drunk. And still scream "What a rip-off! You should be ashamed of yourselves!"

 

And incidentally those are my exact expectations of Fallout 4

[Frisky Sensation]

Can't say I hate it, but surely not enjoyed as I expected. I rather say I have more fun tweaking mods and dealing with some CTD problems.

BTW, I haven't finished the main story quest after 800 hours of playing(with tons of mods), this also happens to my Fallout New Vegas.