Prison Overhaul Patched (LE)

[donttouchmethere]

same here!

male prisoners, during the cage party, wear brown pants, but they drop their pants, and are SOS happy to see my PC, as soon as they get the command: "do something funny prisoners!"

[Punga]

I am telling you, they are shy.

[donttouchmethere]

but... but... they havent been shy before (8s) ?!

 

what did you tell them punga?!

 

or are brown pants fashionabel in skyrim right now?

(i mean, its getting colder at the end of summer and things might look less imposing because of this. A panty might help with that)

[Punga]

It's all Taarie's fault.

Brown undies are all the rage at Radiant Raiment atm.

[Sunja44]

Cage prisoner has no schlong for some reason... Why?

 

Yep he has the SoS underwear bug in that moment when he equips a whip.

 

Aim at him with your Sexlab target key (default N ?) go into SoS MCM and change schlong type once and back again.

[Punga]

Bump for POP 8u. Yes. 

[Slorm]

I'm going to be offline for a fortnight, so you scamps behave yourselves while I'm away (and that includes Punga)

[Blackhearted]

It's all Taarie's fault.

Brown undies are all the rage at Radiant Raiment atm.

 

Only hers are brown just in the middle.

[Inte]

 

Cage prisoner has no schlong for some reason... Why?

Same here, just get the brown undies. Maybe they're shy.

 

That is patched in POP 8u. 

 

They are shy ...     

[Punga]

 

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I'm level 81 and got max in all magic skills so I can take them on as a mage using Thunderbolt/Incinerate and protecting my carcass with Dragonhide.  Still a tough fight but doable.  I usually pop secret of arcana and spam the hell out of them with one of those destruction spells.  In the particular case where I killed the one in the screenshot I was at the BB Luxury Suite and I just hit him with Paralysis while Farquas and the other guard- chick you can hire went nuts on him..  Every time he would get up I would put him down again with paralysis before he could act.  I use balanced magic so maybe that is what gives me an edge since magic kinda sucks on vanilla.  Also have Apocalypse Spells + Dwemer Tech + Magne Ge but try not to use those (like just grabbing a BH with a force spell and flinging him off the top of a tower or cliff).  Also in another game I remember taking one down really fast with a pair of fully smithed-up, unenchanted dragonbone daggers and using elemental fury shout.  Took like 4 attacks.

 

 

Clean saved completely but having an issue getting arrested as Death Alternative will not send it over to POP.  I reregistered the plugins in DA and even turned off every single other option in blackout events except for POP and in that case my character just lies there forever and nothing else happens.  Still trying to work it out.  Might just submit to arrest without a fight but I always fight them whenever I can as my character isn't the giving up type.  Usually let them win though when I'm ready to be arrested, otherwise I don't go to jail until I get ninja'd.

 

just got ninja'd.  I think you should actually have to be hit by that spell in order for it to incapacitate you.  I ran out of the room when the BH was charging it and the line of sight was broken entirely and I still went down when he cast it.  When I read the Windhelm cell is bigger you weren't kidding...  Guessing it's still a WIP.  Too much light in there right now, hope it gets made darker.  Still can steal any item laying around in there though so I can still use the same silly trick to get him to arrest me, then resist and have him open the door to attack me and run out past him.  As soon as I can use my magic he and the rest of the guards are toast.  Should just make all those items player owned so you can't steal them.  Seems it would be a lot harder to pick the guard's pocket though since the only time he comes close enough to the door is the do some punishing by which time you are restrained in the middle of the room and by the time you are free afterward he is long gone.

 

The reason I've made it so the arrest spell does not have to make contact in order to incapacitate is because in my tests I could dodge that spell all day long, which is not all that immersive either. Perhaps I need to find a different FX for it. 

 

Lighting in the Windhelm cell seems OK in my game. (all vanilla)

 

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Hmm, good point about stealing things exploit. I'll look into it, thanks. 

 

For the DA issue, in the POP MCM in 'Debug' page under 'Quests' is 'xpoIntegration' running? If not you'll have to do a manual reset, it's in the POP MCM, 'Debug' 'Force Manual Restart'. Also after the POP reset, re-register DA events as well.  

 

Oh, you most definitely have to resist the damn BH.

I loose 9/10 close combat battles with them. I do much better with ranged, but they do have those wicked paralyzing bows for unruly citizens, that get me most of the time.  

POP 8u has a surrender key, in case they become too much of a hassle. 

 

I love the ninja arrests, I am glad I listened to whoever suggested it. That and @Slorm's suggested random bounty. 

 

 

I know! 

Amirite?

[Punga]

Our monthly update is due, yes?

[Madrias]

Out of curiosity, could we please get a toggle for whether we're left in our cuffs in our cells?  I know it's for violent or major crimes, but it's actually something that just personally bugs me a bit.

 

I understand it's not something everyone wants (which is why I've requested a toggle), but as much as I like the random bounties on POP 8J*, I've been thinking about rolling back to 8G in order to remain unbound in my cell. 

 

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if I could toggle the cuffs, because there are certain situations I could see that being used for (escape attempts, mainly), but for most of my times in Skyrim's jails, I'd rather remain unbound unless something's actually happening.  Obviously, I have no issues with the collars, just the cuffs.

 

*(yes, I haven't updated in a long while, and it's because I don't do clean saves.  I update everything before starting a new character.)

[LazyBoot]

Out of curiosity, could we please get a toggle for whether we're left in our cuffs in our cells?  I know it's for violent or major crimes, but it's actually something that just personally bugs me a bit.

 

I understand it's not something everyone wants (which is why I've requested a toggle), but as much as I like the random bounties on POP 8J*, I've been thinking about rolling back to 8G in order to remain unbound in my cell. 

 

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if I could toggle the cuffs, because there are certain situations I could see that being used for (escape attempts, mainly), but for most of my times in Skyrim's jails, I'd rather remain unbound unless something's actually happening.  Obviously, I have no issues with the collars, just the cuffs.

 

*(yes, I haven't updated in a long while, and it's because I don't do clean saves.  I update everything before starting a new character.)

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that may be part of the "hardcore" option.

[Punga]

I think it's a hardcore option as well. 

[Inte]

Our monthly update is due, yes?

 

Well... yes! Tomorrow maybe.   

[Inte]

Out of curiosity, could we please get a toggle for whether we're left in our cuffs in our cells?  I know it's for violent or major crimes, but it's actually something that just personally bugs me a bit.

 

I understand it's not something everyone wants (which is why I've requested a toggle), but as much as I like the random bounties on POP 8J*, I've been thinking about rolling back to 8G in order to remain unbound in my cell. 

 

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if I could toggle the cuffs, because there are certain situations I could see that being used for (escape attempts, mainly), but for most of my times in Skyrim's jails, I'd rather remain unbound unless something's actually happening.  Obviously, I have no issues with the collars, just the cuffs.

 

*(yes, I haven't updated in a long while, and it's because I don't do clean saves.  I update everything before starting a new character.)

 

Well then you will hate the new restraints in POP 8u even more. They should make jail escape almost impossible ... no ... no, you do not have to thank me ... you can thank @Blackhearted, apparently escaping was way too easy before. 

 

The cuffs should only stay on if in the hardcore mode and arrested for major crimes.

I have to say tho, I've only tested POP in the 'hardcore' mode.

[bicobus]

You know, I don't think making the escaping attempt possible or impossible is the right path. Rather, a focus on consequences would be welcomed. I mean, bethesda did design the jails to be escapable to the point that they are full of holes. But maybe there is another kind of danger in those escape tunnels? Something that will make the jailer's antics seem nice in comparison.

[Punga]

Not all jails have tunnels.

[Punga]

 

Out of curiosity, could we please get a toggle for whether we're left in our cuffs in our cells?  I know it's for violent or major crimes, but it's actually something that just personally bugs me a bit.

 

I understand it's not something everyone wants (which is why I've requested a toggle), but as much as I like the random bounties on POP 8J*, I've been thinking about rolling back to 8G in order to remain unbound in my cell. 

 

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if I could toggle the cuffs, because there are certain situations I could see that being used for (escape attempts, mainly), but for most of my times in Skyrim's jails, I'd rather remain unbound unless something's actually happening.  Obviously, I have no issues with the collars, just the cuffs.

 

*(yes, I haven't updated in a long while, and it's because I don't do clean saves.  I update everything before starting a new character.)

 

Well then you will hate the new restraints in POP 8u even more. They should make jail escape almost impossible ... no ... no, you do not have to thank me ... you can thank @Blackhearted, apparently escaping was way too easy before. 

 

The cuffs should only stay on if in the hardcore mode and arrested for major crimes.

I have to say tho, I've only tested POP in the 'hardcore' mode.

 

 

I accept your challenge. So, when?

[bicobus]

Not all jails have tunnels.

Then dig a bloody one!

[Madrias]

 

Out of curiosity, could we please get a toggle for whether we're left in our cuffs in our cells?  I know it's for violent or major crimes, but it's actually something that just personally bugs me a bit.

 

I understand it's not something everyone wants (which is why I've requested a toggle), but as much as I like the random bounties on POP 8J*, I've been thinking about rolling back to 8G in order to remain unbound in my cell. 

 

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if I could toggle the cuffs, because there are certain situations I could see that being used for (escape attempts, mainly), but for most of my times in Skyrim's jails, I'd rather remain unbound unless something's actually happening.  Obviously, I have no issues with the collars, just the cuffs.

 

*(yes, I haven't updated in a long while, and it's because I don't do clean saves.  I update everything before starting a new character.)

 

Well then you will hate the new restraints in POP 8u even more. They should make jail escape almost impossible ... no ... no, you do not have to thank me ... you can thank @Blackhearted, apparently escaping was way too easy before. 

 

The cuffs should only stay on if in the hardcore mode and arrested for major crimes.

I have to say tho, I've only tested POP in the 'hardcore' mode.

 

 

I've only ever played in the non-hardcore mode (Needs mod, after all.  Lack of sleep won't directly kill me, but it cuts my health regeneration something fierce, and at a certain point, I have no health regen and food doesn't heal.) and, while I can't speak for anything newer, I can say with perfect honesty that every time I've been locked up in 8J, I've always been left in the cuffs.

 

Now, me, if I wanted to make escaping jail impossible (though I don't know the feasibility of this, because I can't code for shit in Papyrus.  It's not BASIC.), I'd tie in on the "Number of Escapes" stat or something, and after one or two escapes, take away the lockpick.

 

It's not that I try to escape (I rarely do, actually), but that spending 7+ days in Jail with your hands behind your back all the time would probably lead to death.

 

Now, I can't confirm if this non-hardcore "always locked up" thing persists in newer versions, as I haven't updated in a long time because, as I've said before, I don't clean-save.  I've screwed up too many games by trying to clean-save and having some other mod break the stack and trash the game.  So even if there are 'safe' ways to do so, I'll save updates for the next playthrough.  Now, with that said, I have been known to make exceptions on rare occasions.

 

I have no problems with escapes being really difficult, though.  I'm of the belief that as long as you're not yet an escape artist, you're unshackled in your cell and they don't search for lockpicks hidden in some unsavory place.  You escape, however, I'm perfectly fine with the next 30+ days of game time being set to "always locked up" as a lesson.  And I'd personally be going through there and making all those little grates and holes in the prisons need some really good lockpicking skills, because if you're going to break out using the secret exits, then you best either have a certain Daedric Artifact in your possession, or be really good with your one lockpick.

 

If I remember correctly, the main door to your cell is always Adept.  Most of those cheeky little escape hatches are novice.  I'd go through and set those escape hatches to Master.  You want to escape the easy way, you better be good with a really hard lock.  You want an easy lock, you get to be extra sneaky and try to play 'run from the guards'.

 

And in my game, I may have been a little evil with the guards by giving them all glass bows and a nice collection of pretty glass arrows.  Dragons, after all, are a bit of a pest, as are vampires.  And the same goes for rogue Dragonborns who decide to play a little lock-picky in their cell.

 

[bicobus]

By the way, Inte, how far along are you in building the Labyrinth?

 

In extension, do you think it would be possible to commute the jail time to a number of (rigged) fights in an arena? Fights the character loses means getting a quick public humiliation. The character get healed after each fight then sent back. As for the humiliations, you and VirginMarie have already great ideas as it is and I am afraid I can't come up with better ones.

[Punga]

The Labyrinth requires a password to get out. I have spent some time in there trying to guess it, but with 8 pillars there must be like 1000 combinations. 

I've also read the sad sad Slave's story in the Maze. At least she left the password for the Maze behind.

 

Inte must really like passwords.

[bicobus]

You do realize that password is exactly eight characters?

[Madrias]

8 pillars, 3 positions, 6581 different possible choices.  It could be brute forced, technically, but it wouldn't be easy.  I've honestly never tried.