Rayblue Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 The best was that I played the game first entirely in vanilla. It was only that after finishing 90% of the main game that I began adding mods and the DLCs.
Veladarius Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 The two biggest script killers are mods with scripts that are constantly checking the surroundings every few seconds and scripts that have errors that repeat constantly, if you have both then you won't get far. Before you go blaming script heavy mods for killing things check your papyrus log, I have seen minimally scripted mods cause big problems because of errors. On my setup I use NMM, run Ultra settings with a heavily modified ini file and HDT physics and get 45 - 60 fps constantly. Currently I have 248 esp/esm's with a number of SexLab based mods that are always running. I don't use LOOT or BOSS and I don't clean any of my mods. Current load order: Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 HearthFires.esm 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 RaceCompatibility.esm 06 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 07 ApachiiHair.esm 08 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 09 ApachiiHairMales.esm 0A SGHairPackBase.esm 0B hdtHighHeel.esm 0C ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 0D Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 0E Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 0F SexLab.esm [Version 1.59b] 10 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 11 SexLabAroused.esm 12 Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.2] 13 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 14 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 15 3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm 16 Omegared99-Compilation.esm 17 FM - HaafingarHall.esm 18 TERAArmors.esm 19 SPIKE.esm 1A JSwords.esm 1B daymoyl.esm 1C Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5a] 1D Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5] 1E Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5] 1F Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5] 20 FoxHome_X.esm 21 HentaiPregnancy.esm 22 Children+SoulGems.esm 23 HighResTexturePack01.esp 24 HighResTexturePack02.esp 25 HighResTexturePack03.esp 26 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.1.7] 27 SMPC.esp 28 SMPC Overwrite Fixes.esp [Version erts] 29 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 2A USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp 2B SkyUI.esp 2C AOS.esp 2D AOS_DB Patch.esp 2E AOS_DG Patch.esp 2F AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp 30 RelightingSkyrim.esp 31 Relighting Skyrim - Update.esp 32 Relighting Skyrim - Dawnguard.esp 33 Relighting Skyrim - Dragonborn.esp 34 Relighting Skyrim - HearthFire.esp 35 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 36 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 37 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp 38 Moss Rocks.esp 39 SkyFalls - Distant Waterfall Overhaul.esp 3A Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.esp 3B Beautiful Cities.esp 3C Purewaters.esp 3D StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 3E StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 3F StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp 40 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp 41 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 42 iHUD.esp 43 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp 44 HeadbombsBetterSortingComb.esp 45 BetterQuestObjectives.esp 46 BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp 47 mcCampingLite.esp 48 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 1.00] 49 HearthfireMultiKid.esp 4A HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp 4B Brawl Bugs CE.esp 4C FISS.esp 4D FNISspells.esp 4E Map Markers Complete.esp 4F The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 50 Convenient Horse Herding.esp 51 Convenient Horses.esp 52 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 53 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp 54 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp 55 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp 56 RND_USKP-Patch.esp 57 Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp 58 TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp 59 fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp [Version 1.0] 5A TradeBarter.esp 5B MTOH.esp 5C BetterMagic_FULL.esp 5D Uncapped Perks - Combat + Stealth.esp 5E Uncapped Perks - Magic.esp 5F Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 60 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 61 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.5.2] 62 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp 63 Craft, Temper, Smelt.esp 64 Enchanting Freedom.esp 65 UnlockUniqueEnchantments.esp 66 Customizable Camera.esp 67 ajd_domhearthfirestewards.esp 68 ItemRewardsForBounties.esp 69 TravelMounts.esp 6A 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp 6B Swift Steeds Replacer.esp 6C NoHelmet.esp 6D no_essential_COs.esp 6E Inconsequential NPCs.esp 6F No more butch females - Vanilla.esp 70 Rebirth Monster.esp 71 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.1.1] 72 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.1.1] 73 DeadlyDragons.esp 74 CrimeDecay.esp 75 My Home Is Your Home.esp 76 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 77 SleepTight.esp 78 KS Hairdo's.esp 79 HairCombo1.esp 7A OblHairsCombined.esp 7B SGHairPackAIO.esp 7C TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 7D _zzhairscombined.esp 7E ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp 7F WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp 80 LaFemmeLycana.esp 81 Better Vampires.esp 82 Vampirelordroyal.esp 83 BVandRB_Formlist.esp 84 Werewolf Loot- Dawnguard version.esp 85 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp 86 When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 1.0.1] 87 Predator Vision.esp 88 Dead Body Collision.esp 89 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 1.0] 8A ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp 8B altvamplord.esp 8C SexLabZaZAnimations.esp 8D mslZaZArachnophobia.esp 8E Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 8F SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 90 SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp 91 SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp 92 HentaiCreatures.esp 93 MoreNastyCritters.esp 94 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp 95 LoversVictim.esp 96 SpousesEnhanced.esp 97 SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 98 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 99 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 9A SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.5.2] 9B SexLabDefeat.esp 9C Children+SoulGemsDragonborn.esp 9D GagSFX.esp 9E DD - Interactions.esp 9F Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp A0 SexLab Romance.esp A1 Captured Dreams.esp A2 Devious Devices For Him.esp A3 mslDeviousCaptures.esp A4 DeviouslyHelpless.esp A5 DD For Him - Captured Dreams patch.esp A6 Aradia Devious Expansion.esp A7 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp A8 Devious Deviants.esp A9 SkyrimBound.esp AA sr_FillHerUp.esp AB Sacrificial Spriggan.esp AC Devious Loading Screens.esp [Version 2.7] AD Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp AE FM - HHall Exterior.esp AF FM - UNP Merchants.esp B0 Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp B1 DA_Skyship.esp B2 Lanterns.esp B3 Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp B4 Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp B5 Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp B6 PrinceandPauper.esp B7 hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp B8 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp B9 3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp BA 3rdEraWeapMoS-rareCraft.esp BB Skyrim Expanded Loot Tables.esp BC JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp BD Stormcloaks_n_Guards_with_Face.esp BE ADEC_SuccubusArmor.esp BF Upgraded Daedric Artifacts.esp C0 Flowing Cape.esp C1 Spriggan Armor 2.esp C2 Gatti14Yumiko.esp C3 Immersive Weapons.esp C4 NewmillerHighHeelsBlck.esp C5 OpulentOutfitsV2Universal.esp C6 kuzak-bodyandstockings.esp C7 LadyKdCirclets.esp C8 R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp C9 TERAArmors.esp CA TERA Weapons.esp CB TERAArmors - Leveled Lists.esp CC XiNafay - Shoes.esp CD AelididPOTW.esp CE zzAharaPOTWHood-Hair.esp CF zzArmormashups.esp D0 zzTravellerHoods.esp D1 Sweater.esp D2 AsharaElvenKnight.esp D3 Strap.esp D4 Ballet Boots.esp D5 Zipsuit.esp D6 Shiny Catsuits.esp D7 Babette.esp D8 ling_hsa1.esp D9 DF_T19.esp DA JackshKasumiArmor3.esp DB KERESECollection.esp DC fox31 Armor.esp DD leia.esp DE Gwelda Armor Pack.esp DF CombinedArmorWeaponsGen.esp E0 CombinedUNPArmors.esp E1 CombinedUNPArmors2.esp E2 CombinedWeapons.esp E3 Child Armor UNP.esp E4 Misc Jewelry.esp ++ LFox Vendors Have Arrows.esp ++ Skyrim Expanded Loot Table merge.esp ++ CD - ShinyRubberCatsuitsOnly addon.esp ++ LFox Blacksmiths Have Metals.esp ++ Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp ++ Proper Aiming.esp ++ CD - Skyrim Strapon addon.esp ++ CD-Tera Armors addon.esp E5 EliteRogueArmour.esp E6 yurica_chevaleresse [HDT].esp E7 yurica_magedress.esp E8 Neo's Mandu Armours.esp E9 hentai Dark Rose.esp EA P1FlyingRing.esp EB Animated Dragon Wings.esp EC Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp ED Cloaks.esp EE 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.3] EF 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.3] F0 DD FtM - Cloaks WIC patch.esp F1 Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp F2 Pixie Follower.esp F3 CharacterMakingExtender.esp F4 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp F5 enb_reference.esp F6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp I have kept my game stable by fixing any repeating errors in my log, removing the mod permanently if necessary. My PC has an older i5 (2500K), 16 gb system memory and an AMD 7850 w/ 2gb.
yatol Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 On my setup I use NMM, run Ultra settings with a heavily modified ini file and HDT physics and get 45 - 60 fps constantly. Currently I have 248 esp/esm's with a number of SexLab based mods that are always running. I don't use LOOT or BOSS and I don't clean any of my mods. number of mods mean nothing... and what is the relation between fps and ctd? if you have 300 mods, the game can only load 255 (0000 0000 to 1111 1111) that's the only problem with number of mods # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm RaceCompatibility.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm SGHairPackBase.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Inn Girls Resources.esm DSLight.esm SPIKE.esm SexLab.esm SplashofRain.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Pureweather.esp Natural Lighting and Atmospherics.esp DeadlyCombat.esp Pinup Poser.esp Iridum Eyes NRT.esp FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp Discreet Jewelry - Invisible Rings and Amulets.esp Auto Unequip Arrows.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Halo's Poser.esp moveit.esp RevampedExteriorFog.esp HRK ENB.esp RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp northern_encounters2.esp ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp HDT Physics Weapon Sling.esp SGEyebrows.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp Tamriel Reloaded.esp EpisodeParallax.esp SWT1.2.esp SkyRe_Main.esp Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Immersive Wenches.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills.esp Improved Dragon Shouts.esp Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp ELE-Interior Lighting.esp Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp HARODATH_ImmersiveSoulgems.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Serana.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp BloodyFacials.esp Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp Better Towns Textures.esp Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp BTT - Better Dynamic Snow.esp BTT - Vanilla Roofs.esp SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Del_ConditionalCombatMusic.esp Rebirth Monster.esp OBIS.esp Feminine Females.esp OBISDB.esp Civil War Overhaul.esp BFU_whiterunenhancedmerge.esp FAMP2.esp FireAndIceOverhaul.esp EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp CCOR_SkyRe_Patch.esp WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp CCOR_IW_Patch.esp OMageReplacerPack.esp CWINPCOpulentOutfits.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp UNPetite - Academy Dropout.esp SexLabMatchMaker.esp SexLabNudeCreatures.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp SkyUI.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp RemoveAmbientInteriorFog.esp hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp CCOR_IA7_Patch.esp Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dragonborn.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp SkyRe_Plugin_ImmersiveArmor_4.esp ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp DFB - Random Encounters.esp AI Overhaul.esp SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp Clothing & Clutter Fixes_Dragonborn.esp RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Unique Grasses.esp SofiaFollower.esp SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp WATER Plants.esp DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Supreme Storms.esp The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp CombatDramaOverhaul.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp SkyRe_Combat.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Tongues.esp USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp Unique.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp ds_database.esp towConversation.esp realrain.esp towHarvest.esp vImmersiveBeds.esp ASIS-Dependency.esp Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 Patch.esp PreASISPatchIW.esp Pre ReProccer WA Fixes IW IA Patch.esp ReProccer.esp Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 Patch.esp DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp qotsafans LeveledLists IW IA Patch.esp qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + IA Patch.esp qotsafans ars metallica smim patch.esp WetandCold.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp TavernClothes-MTM.esp Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp Bijin Warmaidens.esp NPCs Protected Redux - CRF.esp NPCs Protected Redux.esp iHUD.esp dspopipo.esp VioLens.esp armor.esp SSAssist_Tools.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_DLC2_AHelm_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_DLC1_AHelm_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_MODA_IA6_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Main_AHelm_A.esp there's 170 esp left, didn't finish the merging as there was no need to (i am far behind 255) what matter is what mod you use -if you have too much texture and your ram get full, ctd -if some mods are conflicting with each others you will crash (x put a variable to 1 and start his thing, then y put that variable to 0, x script don't work with 0, freeze)
Veladarius Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 On my setup I use NMM, run Ultra settings with a heavily modified ini file and HDT physics and get 45 - 60 fps constantly. Currently I have 248 esp/esm's with a number of SexLab based mods that are always running. I don't use LOOT or BOSS and I don't clean any of my mods. number of mods mean nothing... and what is the relation between fps and ctd? if you have 300 mods, the game can only load 255 (0000 0000 to 1111 1111) that's the only problem with number of mods # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm RaceCompatibility.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm SGHairPackBase.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Inn Girls Resources.esm DSLight.esm SPIKE.esm SexLab.esm SplashofRain.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Pureweather.esp Natural Lighting and Atmospherics.esp DeadlyCombat.esp Pinup Poser.esp Iridum Eyes NRT.esp FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp Discreet Jewelry - Invisible Rings and Amulets.esp Auto Unequip Arrows.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Halo's Poser.esp moveit.esp RevampedExteriorFog.esp HRK ENB.esp RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp northern_encounters2.esp ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp HDT Physics Weapon Sling.esp SGEyebrows.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp Tamriel Reloaded.esp EpisodeParallax.esp SWT1.2.esp SkyRe_Main.esp Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Immersive Wenches.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills.esp Improved Dragon Shouts.esp Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp ELE-Interior Lighting.esp Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp HARODATH_ImmersiveSoulgems.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Serana.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp BloodyFacials.esp Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp Better Towns Textures.esp Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Light.esp BTT - Better Dynamic Snow.esp BTT - Vanilla Roofs.esp SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Del_ConditionalCombatMusic.esp Rebirth Monster.esp OBIS.esp Feminine Females.esp OBISDB.esp Civil War Overhaul.esp BFU_whiterunenhancedmerge.esp FAMP2.esp FireAndIceOverhaul.esp EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp CCOR_SkyRe_Patch.esp WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp CCOR_IW_Patch.esp OMageReplacerPack.esp CWINPCOpulentOutfits.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp UNPetite - Academy Dropout.esp SexLabMatchMaker.esp SexLabNudeCreatures.esp SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp SkyUI.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp RemoveAmbientInteriorFog.esp hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp CCOR_IA7_Patch.esp Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dragonborn.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp SkyRe_Plugin_ImmersiveArmor_4.esp ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp DFB - Random Encounters.esp AI Overhaul.esp SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp Clothing & Clutter Fixes_Dragonborn.esp RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Unique Grasses.esp SofiaFollower.esp SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp WATER Plants.esp DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp vImmersiveBeds - HFDG.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Supreme Storms.esp The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp CombatDramaOverhaul.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp SkyRe_Combat.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Tongues.esp USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp Unique.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp ds_database.esp towConversation.esp realrain.esp towHarvest.esp vImmersiveBeds.esp ASIS-Dependency.esp Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 Patch.esp PreASISPatchIW.esp Pre ReProccer WA Fixes IW IA Patch.esp ReProccer.esp Post ReProccer Fixes IA7 Patch.esp DeadlyCombat_ASIS_Patch.esp qotsafans LeveledLists IW IA Patch.esp qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + IA Patch.esp qotsafans ars metallica smim patch.esp WetandCold.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp TavernClothes-MTM.esp Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp Bijin Warmaidens.esp NPCs Protected Redux - CRF.esp NPCs Protected Redux.esp iHUD.esp dspopipo.esp VioLens.esp armor.esp SSAssist_Tools.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_DLC2_AHelm_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_DLC1_AHelm_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Plugin_MODA_IA6_A.esp SJs_InvHelms_Eng_Main_AHelm_A.esp there's 170 esp left, didn't finish the merging as there was no need to (i am far behind 255) what matter is what mod you use -if you have too much texture and your ram get full, ctd -if some mods are conflicting with each others you will crash (x put a variable to 1 and start his thing, then y put that variable to 0, x script don't work with 0, freeze) The number of mods doesn't matter but there are a number of people who have far fewer mods and can't run them let alone run them well due to a bad setup. Saying LOOT or MO will cure your problems as a number of people do is also wrong if you can't manage what you have. As for FPS relation to CTD you said it yourself - texture sizes. You can't get a decent framerate if your textures are too big, especially with HDT physics. What I am saying is you can run most anything you want so long as you properly manage what you have. Some time ago I couldn't get this many mods installed or get the framerates I do because of errors in scripts causing crashes, once I started managing them my games performance has improved.
Teddar Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Without wanting to hijack the thread here. Where might a n00b find a guide to understanding the papyrus log? When I look at mine I don't understand half of it but I would like to try
Guest Plastrader Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Without wanting to hijack the thread here. Where might a n00b find a guide to understanding the papyrus log? When I look at mine I don't understand half of it but I would like to try
Teddar Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Thanks I'll give that look. What confuses me is when the log refers to problems with mods that I don't have installed and indeed never have. If it was always just a case of "error, so and so is missing"...crash!. I wouldn't need help. I'll try out your suggestion Plastrader
Guest Plastrader Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 With a slight chanse of derailing this thread(further) You might have mods which may have dependencies of other mods, which isn't there, or the mods tries to hook up with those mods for various reasons, even tho' they aren't required. (I hope that made sense)
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Lord Ariakas Posted October 14, 2014 Author Posted October 14, 2014 Nice... I gave up on merging, I think I found the perfect solution. I have a big 2TB HDD and a relatively small 250 gb SSD. I hate being a mess in Mo as I have 5 different profiles all those mods are in the mod pool I went up to 1200 mods. In this mess it is nearly impossible to keep order and find a mod which is causing problems. So now I will create multiple Mod Organizer installs, one for each profile.These will be on the HDD as each profiles (MO installs) will have different sets of mods so they will be at least 50-80 gb each. When I want to play, just simply I will move one of the profiles to the SSD. Advantages: No more mess in the mod pool, each mod is used by the profile. No more cross-ticked mods. Take less space on SSD. If anything will happen with MO I won't loose all, just a profile. Disadvantages: Lot of hassle to create them. Takes time to swap profiles as needs to copy over 50-80 gb each time. Might hurt SSD as it doesn't like being constantly copied over, so for this particular reason frequent profile/Mo install swaps not recommended. I think I will stick to this.
Rayblue Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Sounds too tedious to do and might waste too much disk space. You could just use profiles with individual local gamesaves and tweaked .inis.
Lord Ariakas Posted October 14, 2014 Author Posted October 14, 2014 This is what I have now what you advise and my MO is clogged with 1200 mods for 5 profiles. Yesterday I spent 2 hours to just to have a look at them. Can you imagine if you need to find something in there and you don't remember what is the mod name?
...0... Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 253 is max not 255 and you also have to consider max GB of mods you use you cannot just use mods and have 4gb+ or more installed it eventually crash your game no matter how power full your system. Remember Skyrim is badly programmed by Bethesda thats why it's so CTD sensative. Crossfire even when you have that templated build changed .exe to oblivon so xfire works it's still not optimal. And AMD 290x(i have them also:P) is more them enough to have steady 50+ fps with full ENB install and many heavy texture mods. Make sure all most work properly and optimized for your system. 2x 290x 4gb is still 4gb Vram remember that. If you know how NMM works fine i don't get it why people keep saying MO is a must it's not. I use NMM and never have problems i have installed 253 mods and works all fine. Make always sure every thing is up to date. Also skyrim have trouble with OC cpu or some background programs like Fraps as example. Good luck.
CeeTeeDee Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Remember Skyrim is badly programmed by Bethesda thats why it's so CTD sensative. nonsense, the game won't CTD once if you don't mod it, imagine a crash on the xbox version... has anyone seen one? the amount of .esp's is irrelevant, its the data they enter uniquely or replace in .esms, its the replacements which make skyrim unstable, and if you start replacing for the same cell multiple times with multiple .esp's then things start to go haywire, not to mention scripts that are badly written or inadequately removed after their respective esp is disabled. i play skyrim with only the mods i want and use constantly to improve my enjoyment, if i don't approve of a mod or can't notice its effect immediately i remove it, my skyrim runs ok, my char is level 80, my savedgames around 20mb... the game was not designed to be modded in the first place. i think its important to be discerning.
yatol Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 If you know how NMM works fine i don't get it why people keep saying MO is a must it's not. I use NMM and never have problems i have installed 253 mods and works all fine. that's choosing a bike over a car ctd are thing of the paste since i did that that's my dlc and unofficial patch folder there's only the esp, the folders that's the custom menu mod (i put that here instead of creating a folder for it) some files got merged with vanilla bsa, the rest are in dlc.bsa if i mess up skyrim or my harddrive die or whatever, i won't have to redo that, all i have to do to reinstall my mods is a copy paste and that's why mo is better
Setekh Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I do everything manually. I have never had a CTD. I install everything by hand, even if it tells me not to. I have two desktops. I modify the game, especially with swapping textures, while I play it, by modifying with one desktop and playing the game on the other. This allows me to do things like switch a clean plate armor texture with a filthy damaged-looking one mid-game, for immersion. If I don't like the way something is, I mod it. Pretty much exactly this, I thought I was alone in this method. It's much more complex and you have to pay close attention as to what mods are overwriting what files but I would rather put in the extra effort than trust some mod manager to just dump files into my game folder, yes that includes MO. I'm also the same when it comes to things I don't like, I just mod it. Recent example: The weapon draw sound for shock enchanted weapons was a touch too loud for my taste and was jarring me a little so I just load up the CK, find the relevant sound marker and associated field and increase the attenuation by about 6 decibels, save it as part of my tweak mod which has dozens of little changes like this such as cell reset timers and such, job done.
Killing Joke Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 You remind me the old days when I used to mod Morrowind and we had to manage everything manually (until wrye bash arrived several years later - hooray). I wouldn't have the patience nor the time to do that today.
Lord Ariakas Posted October 14, 2014 Author Posted October 14, 2014 253 is max not 255 and you also have to consider max GB of mods you use you cannot just use mods and have 4gb+ or more installed it eventually crash your game no matter how power full your system. Remember Skyrim is badly programmed by Bethesda thats why it's so CTD sensative. Crossfire even when you have that templated build changed .exe to oblivon so xfire works it's still not optimal. And AMD 290x(i have them also:P) is more them enough to have steady 50+ fps with full ENB install and many heavy texture mods. Make sure all most work properly and optimized for your system. 2x 290x 4gb is still 4gb Vram remember that. If you know how NMM works fine i don't get it why people keep saying MO is a must it's not. I use NMM and never have problems i have installed 253 mods and works all fine. Make always sure every thing is up to date. Also skyrim have trouble with OC cpu or some background programs like Fraps as example. Good luck. I don't really know what is the max 255 or 253 , but it is not important, since I use merged mods. I have a stabile MO profile which is contains far more mod data than 4 gb. If you think about interesting npcs that mod is 2 GB itself (!) so what you said about that more than 4 gb will crash the game is nonsense. Skyrim is not badly programmed, as if the mods have been set up correctly you won't have CTD.
Dubhorizon Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Manual method is very pro and will save disk space for sure, it's just that I want to have a fail safe plan and that's what MO does. There were times that I was having neck seams and couldn't find why, turns out it was my own settings for subsurface scattering in ENB. But to find that, I deleted everything except MO folder, redownloaded from steam and kept playing and testing. Had it not been for MO I'd have to either deselect everything in NMM and write down what overwrites what, because NMM doesn't automatically do anything or to start over and install all those mods from scratch. When it comes to MO, it's too useful to not have. Especially if someone is just beginning to mod skyrim, (which is by itself like learning a new language when it comes to reading and tweaking and learning about the game's engine, capabilities, etc), MO is the only thing that will help in not giving up, because you have so many tools at your disposal. You easily see which mods overwrites what, which is essential to hunt down incompatibilities, you have Loot intergrated and you just push a button, you have youtube videos on how to use MO that you can just put in one side of the screen and do what you see there in realtime. It might be overwhelming when you first look at it, but it's much faster than learning the hard way (entire re-installs of everything).
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