"Feminist" nightmare

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I didn't say anything about rape or jewelry you are looking for someone else to quote not me that would be nonusnomeni.

Whoops! Fixed, thank you for pointing that out.

liberals own a "the" media flat out

Congratulations, I am now reading your posts "in" Mario's voice.

she is saying he raped her

Luckily, filing a false police report is a crime, so while it's entirely possible for this to occur I wouldn't count on it getting to be a widespread thing.

My reaction to feminism

Well you're just a wonderful person aren't you? <-- sarcasm

 

Of course I am. <-- sarcasm

 

Gotta love how everyone's gonna shit on me. LOLOL

[zippy57]

Gotta love how everyone's gonna shit on me. LOLOL

Well you did just come into the thread and insult an enormous amount of people with a single image so... Big surprise, right?

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Gotta love how everyone's gonna shit on me. LOLOL

Well you did just come into the thread and insult an enormous amount of people with a single image so... Big surprise, right?

 

Are You implying feminists =/= cancer ?

[zippy57]

Are You implying feminists =/= cancer ?

No, I'm outright saying feminists ≠ a traditional dish made from pig's heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavoring and sometimes bread crumbs.

[Xeraser]

 

Are You implying feminists =/= cancer ?

No, I'm outright saying feminists ≠ a traditional dish made from pig's heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavoring and sometimes bread crumbs.

 

[zippy57]

The police declined to press charges because they felt the "ordeal was traumatizing enough".

I stand corrected.

[Dr. Thang]

 

I don't think anyone is trying to justify rape..... Or atleast I hope not.

But you do have to admit that when a person is arrested for rape and he/she proves their innocence later and the accuser goes unpunished it can create potential for abuse. Take the Duke university scandal for example, 8 years later and many of the accused are still looked upon as guilty despite the fact they were proven innocent, and what was consequences did the woman who filed a false police report have to face?  

The police declined to press charges because they felt the "ordeal was traumatizing enough". 

If anyone really feels that the sexes should be equal then shouldn't the consequences for a false accusation be equal to the crime a person accuses another of? 

 

As for you statement of extremely rare case of false accusations the NDAA (The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women) Put the rate of false accusations at 2-8%, the DOJ puts the rate at 7%.

Here, I'm posting a link to a women's support organization and since i posted it feel free to denounce it as per SOP.

http://ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

 

Wow, so you are capable of making a point without image macros!

The problem is, redditors and MRA types, which are essentially indistinguishable from anti-feminists at this point, use shit like that to completely ignore the issue of rape and make men out to be the real victims while vilifying women. I mean you said it yourself, 2-8%, that means 92-98% of rapes are real right? So why do anti-feminists only care about that 2-8%? Besides, this is all ignoring the amount of rapes that go unreported, which is impossible to determine but probably staggeringly high. I mean just look at what happens to women in the military who report being raped! Seriously though, think about that, 92-98%...that's a LOT of rape to sweep under the rug just so you can bitch about women. If men are only victims 2-8% of the time, why do anti-feminists spend 100% of the time talking about that when the subject of rape comes up?

[DoctaSax]

Is it feminists' fault that false accusations of rape are sometimes made, and in some of those cases not prosecuted?

Why are false accusations of it thrown into the mix at all? Is anybody saying feminists are to blame for people making false accusations of rape? Does the existence of false accusations devalue the feminist stance that rape is often not taken seriously enough and that the victim shouldn't be blamed? Is that in any way undermined by however many false accusations there are supposed to be?

 

I've been around long enough to know that next it's going to be about men getting raped, sometimes even by women. Again this will somehow be feminists' fault or prove the entire ideology is a charade. (Hang on, the thread updated... oh I see!).

 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and Then we go back to the parade of youtube loons and little manifestos about how male feminists speak in effeminate voices.

 

I despair, I really do.

[Guest corespore]

Is it feminists' fault that false accusations of rape are sometimes made, and in some of those cases not prosecuted?

Why are false accusations of it thrown into the mix at all? Is anybody saying feminists are to blame for people making false accusations of rape? Does the existence of false accusations devalue the feminist stance that rape is often not taken seriously enough and that the victim shouldn't be blamed? Is that in any way undermined by however many false accusations there are supposed to be?

 

I've been around long enough to know that next it's going to be about men getting raped, sometimes even by women. Again this will somehow be feminists' fault or prove the entire ideology is a charade. (Hang on, the thread updated... oh I see!).

 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and Then we go back to the parade of youtube loons and little manifestos about how male feminists speak in effeminate voices.

 

I despair, I really do.

Please feel free to point out where i or anyone else implied that that it is somehow feminists fault, and AGAIN i only brought it up because it was referenced previously. 

[Dr. Thang]

 

And if you factor in prisons the number of men being raped exceeds women yet you only seem to want to talk about it like it only happens to women.

 

Oh wow, no. Nope. No way in hell. Not even close. Everything you said after that just sounded like a fog horn to me because that is the biggest bullshit lie ever made in this whole thread. First of all, prison rape rates aren't as high as TV would have you believe, in fact most of the sex men have in prison is consensual. Second, it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point, do you think a 3rd of all men have even been in prison at all? Let alone raped while they were in there? Besides, ignoring the fact that you are brain damaged if you think more men are raped than women, what percentage of rapists do you think are men?

[zippy57]

it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point

Can you source this by any chance? I've seen this number a lot but I've never been able to find the actual data it's taken from.

16 pages of nonsense and to what end? still arguing.

If you feel that this thread is pointless, feel free to not participate.

[Dr. Thang]

 

it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point

Can you source this by any chance? I've seen this number a lot but I've never been able to find the actual data it's taken from.

 

I don't know, like you I've just seen it a lot too. All I know for sure is that there's no way in hell more men are raped than women, and even if they were, men are still the ones raping them, so that does nothing to help the idea that men are the real victims.

[Guest corespore]

 

 

it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point

Can you source this by any chance? I've seen this number a lot but I've never been able to find the actual data it's taken from.

 

I don't know, like you I've just seen it a lot too. All I know for sure is that there's no way in hell more men are raped than women, and even if they were, men are still the ones raping them, so that does nothing to help the idea that men are the real victims.

 

I don't recall saying that men are the real victims in anything. I don't get why you keep saying that?

And here are the statics. Both the ABA and NCADV are considered to be the best un-biased sources of domestic abuse data collection. 

http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

 

And here's the statics from the PCAR concerning prison rape since you so conveniently swept it under the rug.

http://www.pcar.org/statistics-prison-rape

 

 

EDIT: Almost forgot obligatory image post (digs up something random)

 

 

[Guest corespore]

I only made an observation on the subject of the thread, don't get pissy with me cause you can't put your ego aside long enough to see it for what it is.

I don't give two shits and a damn if the thread goes to a thousand pages, it makes no difference to me. and yes I do think it is pointless, nothing more then a bunch of dick wagging and the occational female that trys to make a point but nothing gets past the opinionated dick wagging ego fest.

It has strayed from the OP to a bunch of nonsense arguing a.k.a (dick wagging).

I'll still be your friend

 

 

[Dr. Thang]

 

I don't recall saying that men are the real victims in anything. I don't get why you keep saying that?

And here are the statics. Both the ABA and NCADV are considered to be the best un-biased sources of domestic abuse data collection. 

http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

 

And here's the statics from the PCAR concerning prison rape since you so conveniently swept it under the rug.

http://www.pcar.org/statistics-prison-rape

 

Nope, don't feed me that horse shit, I know men get raped in prison, but YOU said:

"if you factor in prisons the number of men being raped exceeds women"

So where is the statistic that says men get raped more than women in the world?

[Guest corespore]

 

 

I don't recall saying that men are the real victims in anything. I don't get why you keep saying that?

And here are the statics. Both the ABA and NCADV are considered to be the best un-biased sources of domestic abuse data collection. 

http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

 

And here's the statics from the PCAR concerning prison rape since you so conveniently swept it under the rug.

http://www.pcar.org/statistics-prison-rape

 

Nope, don't feed me that horse shit, I know men get raped in prison, but YOU said:

"if you factor in prisons the number of men being raped exceeds women"

So where is the statistic that says men get raped more than women in the world?

 

i posted it. You have the answer in the links i posted for you.   

[Guest corespore]

Back on topic has anyone watched any of Karen's videos? 

https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos

[zippy57]

Either this thread moves too fast or I move too slow. I've been working on this response for almost forty minutes now and that's incredibly sad, I think.

yes I do think it is pointless

You're spending an awful lot of time in a thread you think is pointless. May I suggest at the very least not being a jerk about it?

I don't know, like you I've just seen it a lot too. All I know for sure is that there's no way in hell more men are raped than women, and even if they were, men are still the ones raping them, so that does nothing to help the idea that men are the real victims.

Well there's a rather glaring reason I hope to eventually see its data. As you pointed out, 1/3 of men haven't been in prison. The US prison population percentage is ludicrous compared to the rest of the world's but when compared to the overall population it's actually very low. Without a census in 2013 it's only an estimate, but compared to the current population at the end of 2013 the prison population of the United States less than 0.01%. I don't have the numbers for this either, but since the US is the world leader in prison population it's safe to assume that after taking into account the entire world's numbers, that percentage gets even lower. At this time I can't locate numbers for how many people have ever been in US jails, but the difference between 33% and 0.01% is enormous. If 33% of women are raped shouldn't their rapists, around 33% of men, be in prison? But only 0.01% of the entire population is in prison, so we're looking at a numerical discrepancy in the tens of millions, and that's before taking into account how many prisoners are actually incarcerated for rape. So either we're looking at 100,000,000 arrests with sentences so short they never show up in the yearly count, or more likely that 33% value contains an enormous amount of incidents that did not result in a defendant being proven guilty and convicted and as such their accuracy is highly questionable. Or I could be wrong, but I'd have to see the data to be convinced of that.

i posted it. You have the answer in the links i posted for you.

Those links have estimated data based on reports only. Without a full investigation being conducted you have to consider them incidents with no evidence, and even someone currently in jail gets the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty.

[Dr. Thang]

 

i posted it. You have the answer in the links i posted for you.   

 

"nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted..."

 

"Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted..."

 

"Intimate partner violence made up 20% of all nonfatal violent crime experienced by women...Intimate partners committed 3% of the nonfatal violence against men"

 

"In 2000, 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. In recent years, an intimate partner killed approximately 33% of female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims"

 

"Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents..."

 

"84% of spouse abuse victims were females, and 86% of victims of dating partner abuse at were female."

 

"Males were 83% of spouse murderers and 75% of dating partner murderers"

 

"50% of offenders in state prison for spousal abuse had killed their victims. Wives were more likely than husbands to be killed by their spouses: wives were about half of all spouses in the population in 2002, but 81% of all persons killed by their spouse."

 

Ok, this is really long, but I'm starting to see a pattern here, do you? And you people say there is no need for feminists in this country and we have complete equality...

But anyway, where's the part that says more men are raped than women? Cause I couldn't find it, and besides...well I'm not saying anyone who goes to prison deserves to be raped (ok maybe SOME of them do, child molesters for example), but considering this is the kinda disproportionate violence happening to women outside of prison, innocent women who didn't do anything that would land them in prison, I have a feeling I'm gonna have a hard time sympathizing for male prisoners after this. Especially considering that last statistic.

[zippy57]

I have a feeling I'm gonna have a hard time sympathizing for male prisoners after this. Especially considering that last statistic.

Be careful with that. In 2001 42% of state prisoners were not incarcerated for violent crimes and 48% of federal prisoners are in just on drug charges. Seems pretty safe to say most male prisoners are not in there for violence against women.

[Dr. Thang]

If 33% of women are raped shouldn't their rapists, around 33% of men, be in prison?

 

Yeah, maybe they took major liberties with unreported rapes in that statistic. Of course you shouldn't be surprised by how many rapists don't get punished for it, even if that number really was about 98% of them I wouldn't be all that surprised. I mean my best friend has been raped at least 5 times, and she's not even 18 yet. Not one was arrested, or even reported, she didn't want to go through all that shit, and I don't necessarily blame her, but it's still depressing as fucking hell. When you consider that, and how many countries still largely feel like women have it coming sometimes, I could imagine millions of cases going unreported, or not taken seriously. Of course that's just an opinion, not a statistic, and that 33% statistic is probably exaggerated, but probably not by a whole hell of a lot, and I guarantee it's a hell of a lot higher than male on male rape.

I mean, that doesn't even make any sense when you think about it, why would men rape other men more often than women? Unless you are insane enough to make the case that women rape men at a staggering rate, which I don't think even corespore would buy, rapists are literally like 99.99% male, right? Even if you count child molestation under the umbrella of rape, it wouldn't be much lower than that. Of course if that were the case, you'd have to consider all the boys who are molested, and they make up almost half of all molested kids. Girls are still the majority of them, in this country at least, but in some boys are slightly ahead, I'm not sure why. But either way it's usually pretty close to even when it comes to that. But I'm getting off track here, my point is, male on male rape must happen almost exclusively in prison. Or the military. Anything with a lot of men together with no women around I guess. And either way, with men still being almost 100% of all rapists, even if a lot of their victims are men, that still makes men as a gender look pretty fucking despicable.

 

 

Be careful with that. In 2001 42% of state prisoners were not incarcerated for violent crimes and 48% of federal prisoners are in just on drug charges. Seems pretty safe to say most male prisoners are not in there for violence against women.

 

Oh shit, you're right. I guess I forgot about how we still send people to prison for non-violent crimes because...well because it's fucking insane that we still send people to prison for non-violent crimes.

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People "offend" feminists and woo, look at all those 16 pages of bullshit.

LMFAO, I'm outta here.

Bye people.

[Guest corespore]

People "offend" feminists and woo, look at all those 16 pages of bullshit.

LMFAO, I'm outta here.

Bye people.

Agree, when people actually start believing their own bullshit it's a good time to bail. 

 

 

 

[redeyesandlonghair]

What does "inclusive" really mean.

 

 

How does a video game having scantily clad, less-than-intelligent female characters make it non-inclusive to women?

 

Guys play video games with scantily clad, less-than-intelligent male characters in it, and they don't seem to feel excluded.

 

 

Personally I think the best thing to do when designing video games is to just completely ignore the gender issue.  Some of the worst games I've ever seen were produced when someone decided, "Let's make a game for girls".

 

Women's tastes in video games are as varied as men's.  Some women like [insert whatever type of game you would like to characterize as being inherently masculine], some men like [insert whatever type of game you would like to characterize as being inherently feminine].  If a game is good, it's likely to find fans in all genders.  If a game is bad, it doesn't matter how hard they cram it full of pink and ponies and cute boys and jeggings... women are still going to think it's crap (except for that small percentage who will like it, because all terrible games have a small group of people who like them for whatever reason).

 

 

So to reiterate.. when making games, ignore gender, because what you have between your legs actually has very little to do with what games you like to play.

 

 

As for heroines wearing battle bikinis, I don't think they need to be gotten rid of.  If anything, there's needs to be more guys running into battle in loin cloths.  Basically, if a game has scantily clad women, it should have scantily clad men as well... mainly because that's the only way the lore can make sense.  For example, in my modded Skyrim the women are very scantily clad... and so are the men.  In some cases the men's versions of certain armors/outfits are more scant than the women's versions - because otherwise, the "lore" of my sexy skyrim wouldn't make sense at all.  Why, it'd be downright offensive to the guys if the game implies that they're the weaker gender and need to go into battle fully armored in order to stand a chance, while women can go in wearing a bikini and still be just as effectively protected due to their genetic superiority, and we wouldn't want that!

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I'm sorry, did I not mention rape in my post?  There you go.

[windpl]

Oh MY GOD this topic can't be possibly derailed any further. Honestly where is the lock?

We went from something positive to bashing each other head.