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[demongoat]

I don't think worrying over modders getting paid is that big of a deal. I'd gladly pay for better bodies and other mods if there were 'pros' working on them' date=' personally. Would I pay for sexout? Probably not.[/quote']

have you looked at what happens when digital things become worth real money? it ruins the game for everyone. there would be nothing good that comes from monetizing user content, it would be even worse than other examples even.

 

I think your concern will help kill nexus somewhat, because large things like project nevada and high quality bodies could easily become pay-for mods, but it won't kill places like this (LL).

sure it wouldn't but it will kill the spirit that makes places like this. why would you share for free what you could get money for? it would shrink the community, that is for certain.

 

May be difficult to find free ones on steam, but it's already hard to find shit in steam -- that's my one gripe with the system so far.

steam has a bad ui, period.

 

 

[Surenas]

We've already discussed the idea to get a buck esp. for time consuming mod stuff in around 2003. It has failed simply because it foils the idea of sharing with everyone and it terminates the ethos of people's modding as such.

 

Folk that aims at quick money should become known first, then enter the respective Hall of Fame, then get a job as freelancer in one of the game studios. In this way we did it, a long and curved way - it's the way of life. The way of the dark side is easier, faster, I was told. Go ahead, Luke. Good luck.

 

 

[Mavado]

With all the censorship and copyright restrictions (game rips) Bethesda and Steam will likely impose upon hosted content, I find it highly unlikely there would be any mods worth paying for.

 

Example~

 

Are those exposed nipples?! Delete & Ban!

 

Are those breasts and ass jiggling?! Delete & Ban!

 

Is that hairstyle or weapon from another game?! Delete & Ban!

 

If you think the Nexus is bad, this steam workshop will be 100x more restrictive and worse.

[prideslayer]

have you looked at what happens when digital things become worth real money? it ruins the game for everyone.

 

I've never played SL and don't know what's gone on there. People have been making the same claims about EVE (which I've been playing for about six years) for a while now' date=' and so far it hasn't "ruined the game". Games like EVE have a lot more to lose over "Pay 2 Win" issues than single player games.

 

sure it wouldn't but it will kill the spirit that makes places like this. why would you share for free what you could get money for? it would shrink the community, that is for certain.

 

Then why hasn't it already? There is nothing stopping people from charging for their mods right now. Models and textures are quite commonly sold in the 3D communities; check out all the paid stuff on renderotica. People do still give things away for free, but if someone wants to charge for the result of their hard work, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

It might shrink the community. It might not. Often getting some money for your work allows you to devote more time to it and continue to release freebies as well. Maybe in the future, the Type9000 body is free, but you pay if you want the bouncing version with the havoked bits.

 

If anything the free stuff will kill or hurt the pay market, the same way FOSS impacts the commercial software market. Free software kills pay software, not the other way around.

 

steam has a bad ui' date=' period.

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Something we agree on.

[zaraia]

From what i hear it's because it's run by hyperactive modzis with enormous banhammers

 

Seriously' date=' they tend to ban people a too easily. Even long time users with files hosted there can make one wrong comment and get banned. Or so i hear.

 

So, i behave there like in life general, keep my head down and don't draw attention to myself And do not comment, just to be safe

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you are correct sir' date=' I've been banned 13 times for sharing links to mods :-\ Funny thing is they IP banned me, and it just changed today!, So i've been using a proxy to make new accounts and access the forums if i need'em :-D

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Ah I see. Guess I got lucky then, considering some of the stuff I was suggesting on the forum before discovering loverslab

 

Their mod manager is pretty practical though I have to say.

[Surenas]

Online Pay Game is the future. We can't deny the facts. All we can do is to slow down the process, finding personal niches before the freedom of old becomes extinct. To make silly advances to the money makers, well, that just hastens the end.

 

But perhaps some of new gamer generation are indeed longing for the brave new pay world. Time has changed, people have changed. Already soon free sharing becomes legend, and legend becomes myth, for none then live who remember it.

It began with the forging of the One Ring:

 

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,

One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

 

 

[GSBmodders]

With all the censorship and copyright restrictions (game rips) Bethesda and Steam will likely impose upon hosted content' date=' I find it highly unlikely there would be any mods worth paying for.

 

Example~

 

Are those exposed nipples?! Delete & Ban!

 

Are those breasts and ass jiggling?! Delete & Ban!

 

Is that hairstyle or weapon from another game?! Delete & Ban!

 

If you think the Nexus is bad, this steam workshop will be 100x more restrictive and worse.

[/quote']

 

If you think any of the companies involved are going to say no to adult content you are mistaking. It is well known in marketing and advertising that sex sells, throw in a set of tits and nice ass and you can successfully market anything no matter how bad the product is.

no company is going to willingly throw that money away

 

this no adult content argument might hold water for games rated teen and lower but not for the growing list of mature games which already feature this content

 

there will most likely be a separate adult section like we currently see for SL, IMVU and sites like Nexus

 

If anything I expect for steam to be a more fair and consistent regarding the rules unlike tesnexus. For this alone I will use steam as often as I can.

 

and I do not expect that free modding will die, i do however expect for far more self important assholes to flood the scene and market. Which in itself could actually help free modding ~ take a look at sharecg pay for poser items exist but there are thousands of high qualiity free models and textures uploaded to sharecg

 

So as I stated the only real worry is the added drama of "omg! you used 300 poly's from my model those are mine i know it! i know my poly's anywhere" and lets not forget "my precious pixels, mine mine mine!"

[Surenas]

I wouldn't travesty the strange unwillingness to give credits (actually the probably easiest thing to do on this planet) ... or soon there will be no more stuff that'd ever again ask for credits. In other words: we will play the mods of the one that has successfully ravaged the mod scene. Congratz. Modding is a waste of time under such marvelous piracy conditions.

[GSBmodders]

I wouldn't travesty the strange unwillingness to give credits (actually the probably easiest thing to do on this planet) ... or there will be no more stuff that'd ever ask for credits soon. In other words: we will play the mods of the one that has successfully ravaged the mod scene. Congratz.

 

 

your not getting my meaning, when i say drama i am referring to things like false accusations, a lot of the modders from sl, imvu and pro artists from the daz poser community will simply browse google snag an image use it for a texture and attempt to copy write it as there own

 

others cannot seem to grasp that many other 3d artists also use the same texchniques in creating meshes and therefore they believe anything similar to be there own work that others are attempting to steal by moving some verticles around and changing the uv maps

 

this shit gets kind of fun to fallow and laugh at but it can wreck a community since people just love to add there own 2 cents worth

[Surenas]

False accusations are hardly the rule but the exception in the game. One has always to provide evidence first, that goes without saying. Dick vs Harry - that's not what we're dealing with right now. We're dealing with official piracy, if memory serves.

[demongoat]

 

I've never played SL and don't know what's gone on there. People have been making the same claims about EVE (which I've been playing for about six years) for a while now' date=' and so far it hasn't "ruined the game". Games like EVE have a lot more to lose over "Pay 2 Win" issues than single player games.[/quote']

other than game time for isk what does ccp sell? or allow people to sell?

 

Then why hasn't it already? There is nothing stopping people from charging for their mods right now. Models and textures are quite commonly sold in the 3D communities; check out all the paid stuff on renderotica. People do still give things away for free, but if someone wants to charge for the result of their hard work, there is nothing wrong with that.

there has to be buyers, and as i said the spirit of the community is not charging for stuff. then again we might see the same issue that some asian modders do from more people.

find a mod they made on MF and get pissy about it and never share mods again, LOL, only this time for real money!

 

 

It might shrink the community. It might not. Often getting some money for your work allows you to devote more time to it and continue to release freebies as well. Maybe in the future, the Type9000 body is free, but you pay if you want the bouncing version with the havoked bits.

i think that would be horrible, but then again i hate what blizzard is doing with D3 too.

 

If anything the free stuff will kill or hurt the pay market, the same way FOSS impacts the commercial software market. Free software kills pay software, not the other way around.

i thought about that as i wrote what i said, keeping an eye on FOSS.

that might be true, but FOSS is the other way around because software started out 99% commercial and businesses charge a premium for their software, so FOSS is attractive. while the modder community charges nothing and expects nothing but acknowledgement and praise from others in the community.

 

i suppose it is a matter of expectation.

 

 

Something we agree on.

glad we can, i hate looking for anything on steam, i'd rather gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon than look for a download on it.

 

 

[galgat]

I wouldn't travesty the strange unwillingness to give credits (actually the probably easiest thing to do on this planet) ... or there will be no more stuff that'd ever ask for credits soon. In other words: we will play the mods of the one that has successfully ravaged the mod scene. Congratz.

 

 

your not getting my meaning' date=' when i say drama i am referring to things like false accusations, a lot of the modders from sl, imvu and pro artists from the daz poser community will simply browse google snag an image use it for a texture and attempt to copy write it as there own

 

others cannot seem to grasp that many other 3d artists also use the same texchniques in creating meshes and therefore they believe anything similar to be there own work that others are attempting to steal by moving some verticles around and changing the uv maps

 

this shit gets kind of fun to fallow and laugh at but it can wreck a community since people just love to add there own 2 cents worth

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you are very right abut the poser community, they will do exactly what you said.

 

I have seen this one first hand.

 

As to the sex sell's I agree, but it has to be un objectionable sex. Sex that will pardon the loosely phrasing of this but be Missionary normal sex. with lesbian & gay thrown in there so they don't look like to big of and ass hole.

 

All in all it will work its self out to the dollar. And many things we might want to see will not exist, and some we thought we might not see will.

 

It will be interesting to watch, and I think I will take a back seat on this game for awhile. till It levels out.

 

I trust the angry modders to fix any problems that come up far more than I do Beth or steam.

 

[Surenas]

 

I trust the angry modders to fix any problems that come up far more than I do Beth or steam.

 

 

I sense much faith in you. Already seen that any information on 'fixing problems' is a new crime? Oh well, 'fixing problems' is no big task for the skilled, making it known (or just talking about it) to the public all too often is, ever and anon it means virtual suicide, the loss of the accounts.

 

And the canned laughter about the 2cts goes both ways, as usual.

 

 

[prideslayer]

Already seen that any information on 'fixing problems' is a new crime?

 

Wha?

[Surenas]

Upload a crack on one of the bigger mod sites and we'll watch you soaring like a leaf in the wind...

[prideslayer]

Upload a crack on one of the bigger mod sites and we'll watch you soaring like a leaf in the wind...

 

Mods != Cracks.

 

Getting bounced for violating a sites TOS != "crime".

 

Fixing a problem != crack. Unless the problem being fixed has to do with your wallet.

[GSBmodders]

I think we lost tamrielle in the language barrier

[prideslayer]

I think we lost tamrielle in the language barrier

 

Could be. I haven't seen any mention that real fixes (like the "unofficial oblivion patch") are going to be made illegal, or to be more precise, against the "rules" laid down by site operators, Bethesda, or Valve. EDIT: It does exist on nexus and other large sites though, so I imagine what was said is what was meant re: "cracks".

 

 

[Surenas]

I didn't make the new public rules, strange rules that don't play any role in my privacy. I stand on my one two, if you get what I mean. And this includes modding as well.

 

 

 

 

[prideslayer]

I didn't make the new public rules' date=' strange rules that don't play any role in my privacy. I stand on my one two, if you get what I mean. And this includes modding as well.

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I really don't "get what you mean."

 

I don't know if I'm dense, you're being purposely obtuse, or if it's the language barrier at work.

 

None of the major mod distribution sites like nexus or gamespy are at risk of closing or being shut down. Filesharing sites that take more proactive measures to filter out sharing of copyright violating content (mediafire, rapidshare, skydrive, etc.) are not at risk either.

 

The "modding community" is not in any danger of dying off.

 

 

[Surenas]

There is no such language barrier. Otherwise I'd hardly answer, hmm?

However, I leave it at that, inasmuch as you seemingly know more of the Dark One than me who I have seen him with his pants down, so to say.

 

NB Keep up the good work, hun!

 

[Tom21]

One more Day! MAYBEeeeeee!

[GSBmodders]

There is no such language barrier. Otherwise I'd hardly answer' date=' hmm?

However, I leave it at that, inasmuch as you seemingly know more of the Dark One than me who I have seen him with his pants down, so to say.

 

NB Keep up the good work, hun!

 

[/quote']

 

I do not think that you truly comprehend, Some of your posts are confusing and do not make any sense. This last post you made is a perfect example. I am scratching my head trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about now.

 

Possibly it is a clarification error, rather then a language barrier. Either one leads to the same result. people arguing the same point without ever realizing that they are saying the same damn things from a different perspective

 

 

[prideslayer]

There is no such language barrier. Otherwise I'd hardly answer' date=' hmm?

However, I leave it at that, inasmuch as you seemingly know more of the Dark One than me who I have seen him with his pants down, so to say.

 

NB Keep up the good work, hun!

 

[/quote']

 

I do not think that you truly comprehend, Some of your posts are confusing and do not make any sense. This last post you made is a perfect example. I am scratching my head trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about now.

 

Possibly it is a clarification error, rather then a language barrier. Either one leads to the same result. people arguing the same point without ever realizing that they are saying the same damn things from a different perspective

 

 

 

This.

 

I have no idea who "the dark one" is, or what half the weird little phrases being tossed about mean. At the risk of being accusatory, insulting, and dismissive.. I feel like I'm talking to someone who intentionally tries to sound witty or clever, without realizing they just sound foolish and incomprehensible.

 

In other words, "speak plainly, man!"

[ReMeDy]

Maybe it's the alcohol from the Superbowl?