ElectricSheep Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 I am pretty sure the bullshit back in the days was often enoguh made for the simple reasons of making a quick buck. Its pretty naive to think that only nowadays developers of games want to make money, and back in the days there were only saints that lived in a garage on bread and water that worked only to create games to make other people happy... It would be easier to discuss if you could provide some examples as "I'm pretty sure" doesn't sound too convincing. Being a gamer 20 years now I'm pretty sure there wasn't as much bullshit back in the day. Obviously, nobody said that game devs were saints and there was no marketing talk at all, but it was nowhere near the current scale. Also, game magazines tended to write accurate reviews and previews instead of blabbing some nonsense about Citizen Kane of gaming. Neither DA:O was brilliant, nor DA2 was good - the first one was good, the second terribly rushed out and full of glaring flaws. That said, I'm not in hate-mode as of yet, just express my scepticism for which I have some well grounded reasons.
Angrybird Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 This is not a figure of speech; to this day I still doubt that I was going through the same dungeon many times over in DA2 can someone confirm? Is it true that the dungeons were copy paste and it wasn't just horrible backtracking?
FallenWarrior Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 This is not a figure of speech; to this day I still doubt that I was going through the same dungeon many times over in DA2 can someone confirm? Is it true that the dungeons were copy paste and it wasn't just horrible backtracking? Yes, the dungeons in DA2 was copy paste, but with some minor alterations (to try and cover that up in some places).
winny257 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 This is not a figure of speech; to this day I still doubt that I was going through the same dungeon many times over in DA2 can someone confirm? Is it true that the dungeons were copy paste and it wasn't just horrible backtracking? Yes, the dungeons in DA2 was copy paste, but with some minor alterations (to try and cover that up in some places). do not forget, one year development time, what should there already outstanding arise.
ElectricSheep Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 This is not a figure of speech; to this day I still doubt that I was going through the same dungeon many times over in DA2 can someone confirm? Is it true that the dungeons were copy paste and it wasn't just horrible backtracking? Yes, the dungeons in DA2 was copy paste, but with some minor alterations (to try and cover that up in some places). do not forget, one year development time, what should there already outstanding arise. So? Video games are like any other business. If you get bought out by a larger organization, that larger organization calls the shots. They have no one to blame but themselves.
winny257 Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 This is not a figure of speech; to this day I still doubt that I was going through the same dungeon many times over in DA2 can someone confirm? Is it true that the dungeons were copy paste and it wasn't just horrible backtracking? Yes, the dungeons in DA2 was copy paste, but with some minor alterations (to try and cover that up in some places). do not forget, one year development time, what should there already outstanding arise. So? Video games are like any other business. If you get bought out by a larger organization, that larger organization calls the shots. They have no one to blame but themselves. I am not complaining! I bought both games (DAO, DA2) and I play this game still very happy.
ElectricSheep Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Good for you, I never made it past Act I in DA2 due to how boring the game was.
Uncle_Sheo Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Good for you, I never made it past Act I in DA2 due to how boring the game was. You sure it was boredom and not rage at the obscene attempt to cash in on the popularity of its predecessor and the massive (though diminishing) fanbase of its developers with an abomination that lacked replayability or even playability through a lustreless world-design, depthless character-design and a mind-numbingly non-immersive plot that made a mockery of the original potential its predecessor held?
ElectricSheep Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 I feel asleep during playing DA2, and I shit you not. I was tired that day and the filler combat exhausted my remaining strength.
medic975 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I don't think that game developers weren't out to make a buck back in the earlier days of gaming. However I do think that they balanced art and profit. Bioware being a perfect example. (Correct my references if I'm wrong with any it's been awhile and I don't have time right now to check sources.) Baldur's Gate Series, Kotor series, even Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1, DA Origins, all wonderful games, which made quite a bit of money for the company. But it's after Mass Effect and DA Origins that we start to see EA's influence into the game. The preorder item gimmicks, merging of Mythic into Bioware to consolidate their RPG departments, then Fast release schedules, DA 2 came out really quickly after DA Origins. I remember first hearing about Origins in 2001, perhaps 2002, It was released in winter of 2009 like 7-8 years of development, which was a bit too much in my opinion, however the finished product more than delivered on what we were hoping for, then DA2 comes out like 16 months later. Which, in my opinion, was seriously rushed. My theory is that DA Origins and Mass Effect were the last of the pure original Bioware concepts, both were in development before EA came into the mix around 2007 or 2008. Perhaps it's my anti EA bias, I think all they touch turns to shit, but every release since then has not been up to the same quality I expect from what used to be my favorite studio.
Cynical Misanthrope Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I feel asleep during playing DA2, and I shit you not. I was tired that day and the filler combat exhausted my remaining strength. Me too. I had to force myself playing through the shit. At one point, I just said to myself "Fuck it" and turned the difficulty down to the easiest and just rushed. As soon as I was done, I made some Blasphemous sacrifice to my master Satan and then removed the abomination from my PC.
gregathit Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Perhaps it's my anti EA bias, I think all they touch turns to shit, but every release since then has not been up to the same quality I expect from what used to be my favorite studio. I think we can call that fact and not opinion. EA has been the death touch of far too many successful franchises for anyone to dispute this.
ElectricSheep Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Exactly. There's no need for some faux-amicable tone here, what we're talking about is empirically verifiable.
BAB PEEG Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 The only good thing that happened in dragon age 2 was fem hawk/merrill sex.
Jerbsinator Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 The only EA franchise that has ever been given a proper ending is Dead Space.
winny257 Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 The only good thing that happened in dragon age 2 was fem hawk/merrill sex. and the sex with Isabella, Fenris, Anders was "probably" nothing? I already said, had the developers more time invested, then DA2 would be a good game become. http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/How-to/DragonAge2/da2_begleiter_bett.jpg https://img.neoseeker.com/neo_image/45102/news/5/daii_romance_fenris.jpg http://img.bhs4.com/85/6/85663b3927b970643bf7c8e3559b9605896d628b_large.jpg
ElectricSheep Posted May 13, 2014 Posted May 13, 2014 had the developers more time invested, then DA2 would be a good game become. Yet the fact remains they didn't and it's not a good game, so what's the point of such argument? As for Merrill, listen to 1:51 - 1:54: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2AMyZddlFc And tell me it's not one of the most awkwardly acted lines you've ever heard.
BAB PEEG Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 The only good thing that happened in dragon age 2 was fem hawk/merrill sex. and the sex with Isabella, Fenris, Anders was "probably" nothing? I already said, had the developers more time invested, then DA2 would be a good game become. http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/How-to/DragonAge2/da2_begleiter_bett.jpg https://img.neoseeker.com/neo_image/45102/news/5/daii_romance_fenris.jpg http://img.bhs4.com/85/6/85663b3927b970643bf7c8e3559b9605896d628b_large.jpg Oh right the pirate, forgot about her.
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