New Dragon age:Inquesition meh...(7th oct-2014 release)

[ElectricSheep]

Which is why most of the new AAA aRPGs are shit: overhyped and overpraised by corrupted gaming journalism. But then there are games that lack a few additional months of polishing, and games that lack 2 additional years of development - like ME3.

[winny257]

Glad to see this lovely but again Electricsheep. last several years, most of the new games are half products. It's the trend of games market - to be the first regardless what. But we still playing them. Aren't we?

 

it is a planned calculation of games developers, the "first game" must always be the best game! is quite logical, the first game would be scrap, no one would buy the following games. the development industry makes you addicted and dependent with their first game. because you are you so obsessed with this game, you buy and the next. going until you wake up and realize what is actually going.

there are plenty of examples where this was the case, but I do not want to start now enumerate all the games.

 

german

es ist ein geplantes kalkül der spieleentwickler , das "erste spiel" muß immer das beste spiel sein ! ist doch ganz logisch , wäre das erste spiel schrott , würde niemand die nachfolgenden spiele kaufen . die entwicklungsbranche macht dich mit ihrem ersten spiel süchtig und abhängig . weil du dann so besessen von diesem spiel bist , kaufst du auch das nächste . das geht solange bis du aufwachst und merkst was da eigentlich vor sich geht .

es gibt genügend beispiele wo dies der fall war , aber ich möchte jetzt nicht anfangen alle spiele aufzuzählen .

 

[germanicus]

Exactly ES and winny.

[ElectricSheep]

 

it is a planned calculation of games developers, the "first game" must always be the best game! 

It's not really calculated, gaming simply changed. Developers like Bioware or Bethesda are no longer the same companies they were back in the day, they're made of different ppl and cater to different audiences. Most developers still passionate about making games have gone indie, as there's little place for creativity in mainstream gaming.

[medic975]

Games have definitely gone downhill in recent years. I blame rushing titles, forcing online play into systems that have no need for it. A hybrid RPG and Shooter will never have the success of a dedicated shooter. And while this might not be popular, part of it is the rising cost of the work force and fringe needs of the gaming industry, and the fact that game prices have not increased noticeably for the past 12 years. 

[winny257]

Games have definitely gone downhill in recent years. I blame rushing titles, forcing online play into systems that have no need for it. A hybrid RPG and Shooter will never have the success of a dedicated shooter. And while this might not be popular, part of it is the rising cost of the work force and fringe needs of the gaming industry, and the fact that game prices have not increased noticeably for the past 12 years. 

 

but you must not forget one, 12 years ago much less human computer games have played. 12 years ago not everyone had a PC.

12 years ago have the developers of the games yet put their lifeblood in these games. Today it's all about the fast money, quickly develop, collect a lot of money!

why are games not become more expensive?

I can also answered you! today make games developers far more than a game 12 years ago. a good game takes more a money like the best movie! the games industry is a global market leader, Skyrim has taken for example 450 million U.S. dollars, I do not know any film that has managed it.

 

german

du darfst aber eines nicht vergessen , vor 12 jahren haben weit weniger menschen computerspiele gespielt . vor 12 jahren hatte nicht jeder einen PC .

vor 12 jahren haben die entwickler der spiele noch ihr herz blut in diese spiele gesteckt . heute geht es nur noch um das schnelle geld , schnell entwickeln , viel geld kassieren !

warum sind spiele nicht teurer geworden ?

auch das kann ich dir beantworten ! heute verdienen spieleentwickler weit mehr an einem spiel als vor 12 jahren . ein gutes spiel nimmt mehr geld ein wie der beste film ! die spielebranche ist welt markt führend , Skyrim hat zum beispiel 450 millionen US Dollar eingenommen , ich kenne keinen film der das geschafft hat .

 

 

edit: here's a list of the best selling games of all time. and also here you can see, most are old games.

 

According Gamers Nexus At least if you do not count the 81 million Wii Sports that came with every console , then Minecraft with 42 million pieces, the best selling video game of all time. This is followed by Super Mario Bros. with a little over 40 million , Mario Kart Wii with 35.2 million and Tetris for the Gameboy with 35 million pieces. Only behind it Grand Theft Auto 5 teems with 32.5 million . GTA: San Andres found 27.5 million to rank 11 again , followed by GTA 4 with 25 million , the same amount as well as Call of Duty: Black Ops were sold.

 

The interesting thing about the list is how many Nintendo titles are represented , although the authors themselves say that the list is quite debatable , since , for example, titles like Diablo could not determine the exact number of missing or Sims . One could also argue that Minesweeper is the best selling game of all time, it was finally every copy of Windows with .

 

If you are now curious and you want to make an image yourself, then you will find the complete list , as well as a clean version without the console bundles directly at Gamers Nexus .

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news/1308-minecraft-most-selling-game-all-time

[ElectricSheep]

It's kind of ironic how things are coming full circle and some of aspects gaming return to the point they were back in the day. I mean mainly Kickstarter and indie games: made by smaller teams within longer production cycles. I can't wait to play Pillars of Eternity, new Planescape, Dead State or Age of Decadence. The only AAA game I look forward to is "Cyberpunk 2077", but it's a far perspective given the game won't be released sooner than late 2016.

 

[medic975]

That looks great! And by Obsidian too? I'm stoked.

 

[jxm]

It's kind of ironic how things are coming full circle and some of aspects gaming return to the point they were back in the day. I mean mainly Kickstarter and indie games: made by smaller teams within longer production cycles. I can't wait to play Pillars of Eternity, new Planescape, Dead State or Age of Decadence. The only AAA game I look forward to is "Cyberpunk 2077", but it's a far perspective given the game won't be released sooner than late 2016.

 

Uhhhhhh, Pillars of Eternity! *jumps around excited* Can't wait 'till release, already backed it ... the only game so far I did this. And partly out of the huge dissapointment due to Mass Effect 3 ... I thought Hey, you just sunk about 40,00 € for that bullshit-game and abysmal ending of a tripleAAA-Company, let's see if a smaller independent non-EA can do it better ...

 

I hope so much. It already looks like back in the Baldurs Gate Days ... but I will still surely play Inquisition as well. Yeah, maybe in "ye olde days" games had more heart and of course the devs were all angels that made games not to make money but as a hobby, living in their parent's garage...these days are over now. Production-value is higher as well, and so are the expectations on these products.

 

Like in movies many gamers want huge, mind-blowing block-busters with huge explosions and cinematic feel, fully voiced and rocking the monitors/consoles. But you can watch only so many Michael-Bay-Movies and play their gaming-counterparts... so smaller independent and "B-movies"-games will also have their place. Times changed, but I am not really into saying "in the past everything was better". There was enough bullshit in the older days as well as now...

[ElectricSheep]

I'm yet to play a mind-blowing block-bluster, instead of shallow and terribly underdeveloped block-busters that use the same engines as their predecessors 10 years ago. But what I'm definitely not looking forward to, is the cinematic feel as I value control over my character, rather than QTE or "push the button and something awesome happens".

 

The main difference between now and then, is that in the past games were made depending on an audience and foremost for ppl who genuinely liked games. Nowadays game devs want to sell their products to every tard with a controller, no matter if he's just some bear guy or a gamer. Hence the ongoing decline: making games moar dumbed down accessible, streamlined and gratifying without any effort.

 

I disagree that production values are higher and there was as much bullshit in the older days as now - quite opposite actually.

[winny257]

can you tell me "Dragon Age Inquisition" not "to spoil" that you can not do, never! I am looking forward to "come" what may.

 

edit: if you do not like these games, turn on your computer far away, buy you a bike because you're doing something for your health.

[ElectricSheep]

But please do look forward, I'm not trying to force my own pessimism onto anyone (even though it's well grounded, I think). Moreover, there's a question about expectations, to which the answer indeed boils down to personal preferences. I'm just not interested in another cinematic aRPG about saving the world, with banal good-neutral-evil morality system and streamlined character creation (read, no stats), no matter how eye-candy the graphics gonna be and how much ep1cness they're going to put in the trailers. It has no effect on me.

 

PS I've got a bike and I'm working out on regular basis.

[winny257]

But please do look forward, I'm not trying to force my own pessimism onto anyone (even though it's well grounded, I think). Moreover, there's a question about expectations, to which the answer indeed boils down to personal preferences. I'm just not interested in another cinematic aRPG about saving the world, with banal good-neutral-evil morality system and streamlined character creation (read, no stats), no matter how eye-candy the graphics gonna be and how much ep1cness they're going to put in the trailers. It has no effect on me.

 

PS I've got a bike and I'm working out on regular basis.

 

look in your post #60 with the video "Pillars of Eternity" but it is, nothing else! it is a RPG where you save the world, just like in any other RPG too. your arguments are thin. but what is the difference between the two huge play, I say only one word "energy".

[ElectricSheep]

 

look in your post #60 with the video "Pillars of Eternity" but it is, nothing else! it is a RPG where you save the world.

Umm, no.

 

Pillars of Eternity is set in a world (...), where mortal souls are bound to an eternal, and often mystifying, cycle of life and reincarnation believed to be watched over by the gods. Though cultures and individuals have different beliefs about the nature and purpose of this cycle, it is only recently that mortals have made significant advancements in understanding its fundamental mechanics through the science of animancy.

 

(...)

 

The central character in the story is a newcomer to the Dyrwood, a man or woman who is caught up in a bizarre supernatural phenomenon. This event puts them in a difficult position, where they must explore the new world to solve a series of problems that have been thrust upon them.

 

Not sure what you mean by "energy", but combat in DA was rather tedious and boring.

[winny257]

 

 

look in your post #60 with the video "Pillars of Eternity" but it is, nothing else! it is a RPG where you save the world.

Umm, no.

 

Pillars of Eternity is set in a world (...), where mortal souls are bound to an eternal, and often mystifying, cycle of life and reincarnation believed to be watched over by the gods. Though cultures and individuals have different beliefs about the nature and purpose of this cycle, it is only recently that mortals have made significant advancements in understanding its fundamental mechanics through the science of animancy.

 

(...)

 

The central character in the story is a newcomer to the Dyrwood, a man or woman who is caught up in a bizarre supernatural phenomenon. This event puts them in a difficult position, where they must explore the new world to solve a series of problems that have been thrust upon them.

 

Not sure what you mean by "energy", but combat in DA was rather tedious and boring.

 

 

with "energy" I mean the "game-energy" (crytek engine)!

Pillars of Eternity is a Diablo successor for me, even the oblique-on it view of I do not like.

for me coming only RPG's in ego or pursuer perspective in question.

[Lovely Rose]

I like pie

[jxm]

 

I disagree that production values are higher and there was as much bullshit in the older days as now - quite opposite actually.

 

You're welcome to disagree. However, it usually rubs me the wrong way, no matter if it is games, movies or anything else, when people constantly complain about how great everything was in the good old days...

 

Yeah, silent-movies...why did they ever add sound, only to cater for that bigger audience, they destroyed cinema with sound. The movies were so much more deep without sound. You had to read in between scenes to get the movie's story and dialogue!!!! And silent acting was so much harder and the actors far more talented etc ...

 

Nah...surely many games made in the old days were groundbreaking and all that ... but to say these didn't have some bullshit .. well, I think the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia are a sweet thing to wear...sometimes I put them on as well, (hey, there is a reason why I am a Pillars of Eternity backer!) but after a while your vision gets all blurry ^^

 

 

[winny257]

One thing is certain for me to 100% fixed, when "Dragon Age Inquisition" appears I will close the chapter "elder scrolls saga".

for me it was a sting in the heart, this a fucking online game was made of elder scrolls.

that was the worst thing they could antuhen their fans, I hate "bethesda"!

[Uncle_Sheo]

 

 

Nah...surely many games made in the old days were groundbreaking and all that ... but to say these didn't have some bullshit .. 

 

 

 

Sure there was plenty bullshit, but those were the result of the right intent executed improperly. People could forgive such errors because the companies would almost always realize their mistake and take steps to correct it in the next version. That is no longer the case. And moreover, we are not discussing old days versus the present. We are discussing Dragon Age, and by extension, Bioware and EA. Point me to any "old" Bioware disasters if you can. They always promised the highest quality. They would rather cancel a release than throw something half-baked into the market. Now they deliberately cater to the lowest of the low, knowing it will sell more. They are completely unapologetic, defend their mistakes and assure us they will make more in the future. Just check the post ME3 and DA2 press conferences to see what I mean. I did not hate ME3 mistakes as much as I hated the matter-of-fact manner in which we were told there were no mistakes. Can you expect change when they do not want to change?

 

It is not limited to Bioware either. Look at our classic Prince or Persia series. After making the horribly colorful buffoon back in 2007, I think, I thought they would learn. Ubi evidently did not, and came out with an unimaginable horrible sequel to that . And need I even mention Diablo? Look at what has been done to our classic Thief. Dishonored is a far better stealth game worthy or that legacy than the Square Enix abomination I rushed to remove all traces of from my computer a mere 2 days after I got it. We've see games with great potential driven into the mud like DAO, Assassin's Creed, the original ME. Call me sentimental, but I cannot picture buying DA2 from the developers of Baldur's Gate, Planescape or Icewind Dale. I fucking cannot.

 

I am not giving Bioware another penny. I would rather have my eyes gouged out with a rusty spoon. I've had it with them and many others. We cannot be sentimental here and hope for epic sequels to our favorite classics. We should judge a game by its merits, not its lineage. 

 

I wish I could enjoy a great game in DA3 , but I know I will not. Witcher 3 will be my highlight for 2014. While I liked the original over Witcher 2, I still think it was a really good game and the Devs have leant from what little mistakes they made.Hopefully some of these newer companies can show the giants you can still make great games and money at the same time.

 

@Winny: Don't give up on Beth yet. They will learn, hopefully.

[ElectricSheep]

Technological advancement in games within the period of 2005-2014 is barely comparable with silent movies as opposed to movies with sound. If you really want to use cinema as an analogy, it would be more adequate to compare movies from 80's and 90's with the modern day ones, say The Thing from 1982 vs The Thing from 2011 - which one has higher production values? I, for one, would pick the badass FX over the godawful cgi any day.

 

I'm not against progression as such - better graphics, animations, sound etc. - that would be simply stupid. However, if the trade off for better mind-blowing graphics is inferior gameplay and lesser content, then I prefer my Charlie Chaplin movies. In fact, some of the old classics wouldn't be even possible to re-make in a modern fashion due to how much money and resources would it cost. Fans are harassing SquareEnix to re-make FFVII for example, but as someone from the company said in an interview, it's impossible given how big the game is.

 

I'm not much into nostalgia and I don't expect game devs to make the exact same games as in the past, with the same gameplay just better graphics, all I want is a good game to play - be it with a real-time action and motion capture as well as turn-based combat with simple animations.

[winny257]

"Nemesis608"
you know how old I am, "statements" by not offical will not appear the next "elder scrolls" before 2020! as expected is a "Fallout" successor to the series again until.

I will be 63 years old, in this high age I will definitely not play compiuter game.

[ElectricSheep]

Why not? You can play games being 80 years old.

[Uncle_Sheo]

"Nemesis608"

you know how old I am, "statements" by not offical will not appear the next "elder scrolls" before 2020! as expected is a "Fallout" successor to the series again until.

I will be 63 years old, in this high age I will definitely not play compiuter game.

 

Mein freund, you made it this far. What is going to stop you now? You think some magical shroud will fall over your eyes and dim them, or some mysterious ailment will make your joints painful or some sudden inspiration will strike you and make you loathe gaming when you reach 60? My dad is in his 60s and he still bounces around Tamriel every now and then when he's not sniping the Covenant or incinerating the zerg. I daresay he can still outplay me in most games even. Don't worry Winny. You will play the next TES game.

[winny257]

 

"Nemesis608"

you know how old I am, "statements" by not offical will not appear the next "elder scrolls" before 2020! as expected is a "Fallout" successor to the series again until.

I will be 63 years old, in this high age I will definitely not play compiuter game.

 

Mein freund, you made it this far. What is going to stop you now? You think some magical shroud will fall over your eyes and dim them, or some mysterious ailment will make your joints painful or some sudden inspiration will strike you and make you loathe gaming when you reach 60? My dad is in his 60s and he still bounces around Tamriel every now and then when he's not sniping the Covenant or incinerating the zerg. I daresay he can still outplay me in most games even. Don't worry Winny. You will play the next TES game.

 

 

thank you that you give me courage and a little hope. but not all people are with 60 still top fitt, very mostly did not even reach that age. I am the dead also already jumped two times of the shovel, a third time I will create non. the only one for which I am grateful TES is that it has brought me together with people who are looking for a fun time not a shame.

[jxm]

Sure there was plenty bullshit, but those were the result of the right intent executed improperly. People could forgive such errors because the companies would almost always realize their mistake and take steps to correct it in the next version. That is no longer the case. And moreover, we are not discussing old days versus the present. We are discussing Dragon Age, and by extension, Bioware and EA. Point me to any "old" Bioware disasters if you can. They always promised the highest quality. They would rather cancel a release than throw something half-baked into the market. Now they deliberately cater to the lowest of the low, knowing it will sell more. They are completely unapologetic, defend their mistakes and assure us they will make more in the future. Just check the post ME3 and DA2 press conferences to see what I mean. I did not hate ME3 mistakes as much as I hated the matter-of-fact manner in which we were told there were no mistakes. Can you expect change when they do not want to change?

 

It is not limited to Bioware either. Look at our classic Prince or Persia series. After making the horribly colorful buffoon back in 2007, I think, I thought they would learn. Ubi evidently did not, and came out with an unimaginable horrible sequel to that . And need I even mention Diablo? Look at what has been done to our classic Thief. Dishonored is a far better stealth game worthy or that legacy than the Square Enix abomination I rushed to remove all traces of from my computer a mere 2 days after I got it. We've see games with great potential driven into the mud like DAO, Assassin's Creed, the original ME. Call me sentimental, but I cannot picture buying DA2 from the developers of Baldur's Gate, Planescape or Icewind Dale. I fucking cannot.

 

I am not giving Bioware another penny. I would rather have my eyes gouged out with a rusty spoon. I've had it with them and many others. We cannot be sentimental here and hope for epic sequels to our favorite classics. We should judge a game by its merits, not its lineage. 

 

I wish I could enjoy a great game in DA3 , but I know I will not. Witcher 3 will be my highlight for 2014. While I liked the original over Witcher 2, I still think it was a really good game and the Devs have leant from what little mistakes they made.Hopefully some of these newer companies can show the giants you can still make great games and money at the same time.

 

I am pretty sure the bullshit back in the days was often enoguh made for the simple reasons of making a quick buck. Its pretty naive to think that only nowadays developers of games want to make money, and back in the days there were only saints that lived in a garage on bread and water that worked only to create games to make other people happy...

 

But whatever thinking makes you guys happy now   feel free to believe this.

 

Of course Bioware isn't the same company as it was before the buyout to EA. That's the main reason why I will judge every game from nowone on its own merits, not on the devs or publisher involved. And true enough Bioware sucked heavily with the release of ME3, which crashed the moderate ME2 and the very good ME1 with its bullshit-Ending. But Dragon age 1 and two are brilliant and good (that order), so I see no reason for myself to get all in hate-mode before Inquisiton is even out. Will I simply buy it unseen? No, I do not think so, not after the ME3-debacle that really, really annoyed the hell out of me...

 

And Witcher 3 ... yeah, hoping it will be great, but here the same applies for me...especially because I do not fully trust CD Projekt Red that they can pull something of that scale without a lot of flaws and bugs. hopefully I am wrong though. And yeah, CD Red is at least good at quickly patching their stuff. But it will be funny to see in a couple of years if CD Red at one point and after a lot of success becomes a polish Bioware ^^

 

By the way: Planescape and Icewind dale were not from Bioware directly ...   And I like the new Diablo 3 quite a lot (glad they killed off Deckard...), but I know I am a minority here