Apparently, this is what LL's reputation is like

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

So all this person can do is name call and make baseless assumptions without any proof. Oh Internet, never change...

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

 

 

it’s no big surprise that mod authors are leaving the site in droves.

This line is what got my attention!! I thought he was talking about LL not Nexus, LL modders are not leaving in droves last I checked if anything we have a few more then before but the Nexus ones are.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

In all honesty I don't get why it matters if the base body is nude. Unless you go out of your way to strip the children down you would never know it and if you are worried about someone using it alongside a sex mod like SSL to do "child porn" the mod is set so the child NPCs and child PC are viewed as children so sex mods don't work for them. Yes I tested it the first time I used Skykids to make sure it wasn't like one of the other child overhaul mods that did allow for that.

[gvman3670]

RCOTS has nude kids by default. Skykids is more tastefully done and does NOT have them nude by default.

 

Just sayin'.....

 

Regardless, I've seen 100s of naked kids in my lifetime and have never had a sexual thought. Duh, that's real life for you!  I also realize that killing children is far more immoral (by any reasonable person's standards) than seeing them naked, yet Nexus and other sites, even people here claiming nudity is immoral, allow mods that make children killable.

 

That, my friends, is just stupid.

[Redflyingmonkey]

Completely agreeing with Duoleb for the pedo mod. This is complete hypocrisy from what I'm seeing, anyone can see from a glance on the mod's page that the kids are not flagged as "kids", which means that, IG, all SexLab mods can be used with them, and that in itself makes one hell of a disgusting hypocritical pedo mod. 

I'm pretty sure a lot of the people using it are not just taking screenshots with half naked lolis. Seriously, I'm largely open minded when it comes to 3D world sex, but this is going way too far over the line.

 

I know that some people are only drawn to the funny aspect of the thing, I mean a kid dragonborn is kind of funny when you think about it, there's no harm in it it's like playing half of the Fable game all over again, what terrifies me is what can be done with the mod.

 

 

Apart from this single issue, the rest of Halo's and that other dude whose name I forgot's posts are strangely biased. Really disappointed at Halo on this matter, I like his mods and as usual, I always start to think that the author of something I dig is someone I can dig too, reality is a bitch. 

[GrimReaper]

SexLab scans a few more things I believe. There are a few certain tags that exclude the race from anything SexLab does, child and x117 are just two. I don't use Skykids or any child overhaul mod myself, so I can't say for sure that the races added are excluded from SL, but I think this is the case.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Completely agreeing with Duoleb for the pedo mod. This is complete hypocrisy from what I'm seeing, anyone can see from a glance on the mod's page that the kids are not flagged as "kids", which means that, IG, all SexLab mods can be used with them, and that in itself makes one hell of a disgusting hypocritical pedo mod. 

 

Just an FYI, all child mods here are flagged as child races. CotS, RCotS, and SkyKids are all flagged as Child Race, thus will not work with SexLab or any sex mod here.

 

OT: I see where they are coming from on the pedo part. I've reported countless posts that go over the line in those threads and then some. I mean when you look at the download section in the adult mods, there is several threads on child mods. All the playable children mods have nude bodies, and there is a bunch of threads that offer slutty whore clothing for kids. There is even people asking for SoS compatibility for children, and a thread dedicated to creating "sissy" children, to allow boys to wear girl's clothing and lingerie.

 

To me, these mods step over the line. All this slutty, revealing, crossdressing, nude, etc stuff for kids goes way too far. But the moderators haven't deleted them, so I guess they don't violate the rules. So I'll just leave it alone then.

 

Then there is the piracy and stolen files being uploaded without permissions. Just check threads like the What Mod Is This thread. People are always uploading other people's mods there without their permissions. People always asking for alternate download links to Steam Workshop cause they "can't download from Steam" for some ridiculous reason. I mean heck, there was even a thread dedicated to hosting Steam Workshop mods. Without author's permissions. That just screams piracy support. Or going to sites like 3dm and downloading their mods just to host them here for those who don't want to register. It's stolen content that was uploaded without permissions. So yeah, I see their point.

 

 

But in the end, what they are complaining about, is not LL's fault. That happens everywhere. Someone downloads your mod, and then picks it apart to use for personal use. I saw the posts in the What Mod Is This section that talked about this exact incident. They didn't provide the mod there, or anything. They told them where to download it, and if they wanted to use the textures for personal use on their own character, to extract it and do it themselves. That happens. You can't stop people from doing what they want with your mod after they have downloaded it. If you made a custom texture for your follower, you can't stop someone from using that custom texture on their player character for personal use. What they are complaining about has nothing to do with LL. They just wanted an outlet cause it was discussed here is all. So they are going to blame LL instead of realizing this happens everywhere.

 

But that's just the thoughts of one to two people. I wouldn't call that a reputation.

[Rayblue]

Really disappointed at Halo on this matter, I like his mods and as usual, I always start to think that the author of something I dig is someone I can dig too, reality is a bitch. 

 

Judging from any content I read at his blog, in most cases he's a sone (pronounced sowon; an SNSD fan) pretty much defensive about his work, will talk about anything he wants or likes (free of Nex and its detritus of sheeple), and since it's his site for which to host his opinions and files, everyone else is a guest and they're on his property.

 

But he has yet to set his foot here.

[GrimReaper]

Well, I don't download stuff from the workshop because I do not have control over what the workshop does. When I install a mod, I want to know what's in it. If it's a .bsa archive, I want to know what's hiding in there. If a mod uses loose files even more so because I don't want it to overwrite anything. I don't use a mod manager, I do everything manual. As far as I know, steam doesn't tell you the filenames of the files it's downloading, or even the name of the esp. I inspect every little mod I want to use before it goes into my /data folder. And all I can say is that this saved me a lot of trouble.

 

The thing about 3dm or many other chinese/korean sites is that they sit behind a language barrier and have often systems in place that require you to pay some "gold" or whatever which is earned by posting and commenting. Some filehosters even block out anyone that isn't from the country the filehoster is in. It's not the ideal way to download stuff from there and make it available to other communities, but it's either that or those mods will stay in china / korea and only there. As long as credit is given and the author hasn't stated that he doesn't want others to upload his stuff to other mirrors this is okay in my eyes.

 

Also, I want to mention again that Honey Vanity's post did say absolutely NOTHING about people stealing shit, halofarm and others used this post as a weird excuse to claim that LL is a community of untalented, lazy thieves.

[windpl]

Completely agreeing with Duoleb for the pedo mod. This is complete hypocrisy from what I'm seeing, anyone can see from a glance on the mod's page that the kids are not flagged as "kids", which means that, IG, all SexLab mods can be used with them, and that in itself makes one hell of a disgusting hypocritical pedo mod. 

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of the people using it are not just taking screenshots with half naked lolis. Seriously, I'm largely open minded when it comes to 3D world sex, but this is going way too far over the line.

 

I know that some people are only drawn to the funny aspect of the thing, I mean a kid dragonborn is kind of funny when you think about it, there's no harm in it it's like playing half of the Fable game all over again, what terrifies me is what can be done with the mod.

 

 

Apart from this single issue, the rest of Halo's and that other dude whose name I forgot's posts are strangely biased. Really disappointed at Halo on this matter, I like his mods and as usual, I always start to think that the author of something I dig is someone I can dig too, reality is a bitch. 

 

As many said before me, this races are black listed.

So maybe that bad rep LL is getting is from fucking lack of basic knowledge?

[Guest kimbale]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group-serving_bias

[gvman3670]

 

Completely agreeing with Duoleb for the pedo mod. This is complete hypocrisy from what I'm seeing, anyone can see from a glance on the mod's page that the kids are not flagged as "kids", which means that, IG, all SexLab mods can be used with them, and that in itself makes one hell of a disgusting hypocritical pedo mod. 

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of the people using it are not just taking screenshots with half naked lolis. Seriously, I'm largely open minded when it comes to 3D world sex, but this is going way too far over the line.

 

I know that some people are only drawn to the funny aspect of the thing, I mean a kid dragonborn is kind of funny when you think about it, there's no harm in it it's like playing half of the Fable game all over again, what terrifies me is what can be done with the mod.

 

 

Apart from this single issue, the rest of Halo's and that other dude whose name I forgot's posts are strangely biased. Really disappointed at Halo on this matter, I like his mods and as usual, I always start to think that the author of something I dig is someone I can dig too, reality is a bitch. 

 

As many said before me, this races are black listed.

So maybe that bad rep LL is getting is from fucking lack of basic knowledge?

 

 

Yeah, that's probably the case. I've used both RCOTS and Skykids. RCOTS is kinda' buggy, but has the more attractive children. Skykids is better polished and less buggy and they rely mostly on vanilla clothing and armor. I have the full package from RCOTS (not all the individual files would download for some reason) and I have just the files from Skykids I need to replace the vanilla Skyrim children. To be entirely honest these are THE best child replacers available anywhere. Vanilla kids in Skyrim totally suck.

 

For the record, I don't play as a child race either. I tried before and it was pretty buggy then (camera angles and interactions needed to be hammered out yet).

[ElectricSheep]

 

 

Then there is the piracy and stolen files being uploaded without permissions. Just check threads like the What Mod Is This thread. People are always uploading other people's mods there without their permissions. People always asking for alternate download links to Steam Workshop cause they "can't download from Steam" for some ridiculous reason. I mean heck, there was even a thread dedicated to hosting Steam Workshop mods. Without author's permissions. That just screams piracy support. Or going to sites like 3dm and downloading their mods just to host them here for those who don't want to register. It's stolen content that was uploaded without permissions. So yeah, I see their point.

Asking for permission is just a courtesy, nothing legally required, hence it's delusional to think you have any control over anything you submit to the Internet without license and non-profit, sooner or later it's going to be re-uploaded. I've seen my mods on Russian, French and even German sites and I don't give a fuck, because I know better. Also, I think there's a difference between sharing mods via mediafire (and alikes) and blatantly re-uploading them to the other mod hosting sites. I mean, If you want to share a mod with a small group of people it's a bit of an exaggeration to pursue the author. 

 

Some ppl don't want to use steam and it's their, and their alone business why, I don't see why anyone should dictate them whenever it's right or wrong. After all if you don't like it nobody forces you to participate.

[Guest Mogie56]

Has anyone ever looked at the "Pinup Poser" content. every pose in there can be found in DAZ3D and Poser content for DAZ3D (because the two work together). very much the pot calling the kettle black and the very reason he left the Nexus before getting tagged the same as Krista. As much a hypocrite as the nexus staff.

Un - Fucking - Believable.

[gvman3670]

Has anyone ever looked at the "Pinup Poser" content. every pose in there can be found in DAZ3D and Poser content for DAZ3D (because the two work together). very much the pot calling the kettle black and the very reason he left the Nexus before getting tagged the same as Krista. As much a hypocrite as the nexus staff.

Un - Fucking - Believable.

 

Ahh, nice point there. Pot, meet kettle!

[TheDriedFinger]

 

I'm one of the few that don't know so I have to ask, "why is Halofarm persona non grata at Nexus or did he leave on his own accord?"

 

http://mod.dysintropi.me/about/

 

"I created this blog as a way to share all my mods in a singular place, without having to worry about permissions, and not having to worry about opinions on my work. People who are here are generally here to look at the mods, and not to bitch and moan."

 

I guess that's his reason.

I find that middle bit interesting: "without having to worry about permissions". It's something interesting to consider in light of what Mogie56 wrote.

[Mashi]

Has anyone ever looked at the "Pinup Poser" content. every pose in there can be found in DAZ3D and Poser content for DAZ3D (because the two work together). very much the pot calling the kettle black and the very reason he left the Nexus before getting tagged the same as Krista. As much a hypocrite as the nexus staff.

Un - Fucking - Believable.

 

They probably also believe that their "conversions" of other peoples work is also original, and all their own.

[Spyder Arachnid]

 

 

 

Then there is the piracy and stolen files being uploaded without permissions. Just check threads like the What Mod Is This thread. People are always uploading other people's mods there without their permissions. People always asking for alternate download links to Steam Workshop cause they "can't download from Steam" for some ridiculous reason. I mean heck, there was even a thread dedicated to hosting Steam Workshop mods. Without author's permissions. That just screams piracy support. Or going to sites like 3dm and downloading their mods just to host them here for those who don't want to register. It's stolen content that was uploaded without permissions. So yeah, I see their point.

Asking for permission is just a courtesy, nothing legally required, hence it's delusional to think you have any control over anything you submit to the Internet without license and non-profit, sooner or later it's going to be re-uploaded. I've seen my mods on Russian, French and even German sites and I don't give a fuck, because I know better. Also, I think there's a difference between sharing mods via mediafire (and alikes) and blatantly re-uploading them to the other mod hosting sites. I mean, If you want to share a mod with a small group of people it's a bit of an exaggeration to pursue the author. 

 

Some ppl don't want to use steam and it's their, and their alone business why, I don't see why anyone should dictate them whenever it's right or wrong. After all if you don't like it nobody forces you to participate.

 

 

It's not a matter of illegal content, it's a matter of being respectful of your fellow modder. If a modder wishes to not have their mods posted all over the internet, show a little common courtesy and respect those wishes. What ever happened to being a decent human being? But no, people don't care about common decency anymore. They have no respect for anyone but themselves these days. They don't care what a mod author wants or their reasons behind it. They just want to do what they want to do, regardless of the author's wishes.

 

As well, since you said you are a modder, then you probably already know this. But one big issue with people rehosting your mod everywhere else, is quite simply: support. As a modder, do you want to go to 20+ sites to update your mod and provide support and troubleshoot issues from the community on each of those sites? Or would you rather have your mod in one place specified by you so you can easily update it, support it, and help those who need help with it? When you go rehosting someone's mod all over the internet, you end up with tons of incomplete and unfinished versions scattered around everywhere. And then no one knows which one is the updated one and where to go for assistance with the mod. And then the mod author gets the backlash cause they don't want to go to all those 20+ sites to update their mod and provide tech support for it.

 

Sorry, but I at least have respect for my fellow modders and know the trouble of trying to support a mod that is being spread around the internet like wild fire.

[...0...]

Im not gonne defend myself why i use CoTS and RCoTS or skykids some parts, i just can make better females with them then normal bodys becouse i just don't like big boobs or huge bottoms.

 

I  like slim and skinny its rare i know but thats how it is sorry.

 

I can't offcorse not proof this so you have take my word for this, but i have ZERO sex mods installed i come here becouse its good forum with mostly nice people and not many assholes and some mods like like.

 

If this pedo then i have to relearn what pedo is hehe.

 

Btw im not fond of many styles of mods i see here also on this site im even at some realy disgust but ive never and i will never judge others taste to each his own and RESPECT there taste.

 

And for ragna_rok he is not my favorite person long before he notice skykids, in my humble opion he is an asshole.

 

Nuff said.

[ElectricSheep]

 

It's not a matter of illegal content, it's a matter of being respectful of your fellow modder. If a modder wishes to not have their mods posted all over the internet, show a little common courtesy and respect those wishes. What ever happened to being a decent human being? 

 

 

But one big issue with people rehosting your mod everywhere else, is quite simply: support. (...) And then the mod author gets the backlash cause they don't want to go to all those 20+ sites to update their mod and provide tech support for it.

I do respect other modders will, in fact, on my blog I request not to re-upload my mods (though that applies only to the Nexus). The thing is, some people don't give a damn and I'm well aware of that just as anyone should. If I ever find my stuff somewhere on the Internet where it shouldn't be or without any credits provided I won't be screaming "THIEVES!!!11" making a big scene, I'll simply ask for it to be removed. I hate drama queens and attention whores.

 

If an outdated version of your mod is hosted somewhere without your permission, then I don't see how such backlash is supposed to work. You can always direct ppl to the site you want your mod to be on should anyone contact you in regards to a problem.

[Guest Mogie56]

"Apparently, this is what LL's reputation is like"

 

Ever tell someone something and several weeks go by and someone else tells you the same story but you notice it has changed quite a bit.

"TL;DR syndrome"  on the internet along with trolls and those trying to shift eyes/guilt off themselves by blaming others. exactly what LL is being blamed for has been done by those who do the blaming. I've always believed if your going to condemn someone else, you better have your own backyard spotless.

No one is without fault in one way or another, but spewing BS is just that...BS and this ranks right up there with that "nerdfemenism wiki whatever it's called.

Hiding behind BS to cover ones own tracks....hmmm  what a novel idea

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Im not gonne defend myself why i use CoTS and RCoTS or skykids some parts,

 

And neither should you have to. Nobody should have to defend what mods they use to ANYBODY, much less some moral guardians who get pissy over what you're doing in your own private install of a game.

 

Really, if people are going to leave because their precious little morality is going to be offended by what other people do, then I say good riddance.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

I look at it this way. If someone wants to tell me what game(s) I can or can't play or what mods I can or can't use in a game then they need to start paying My fucking bills I.E. Rent, Basic Utilities, and the internet. It's MY money paying the bills it's MY Money that purchases the games so until that changes and the morality police start paying for it all I'll use whatever god damn mods I want to use.

[Redflyingmonkey]

My bad on the Skykids mod allowing sexlab animations for kids, it can nevertheless be done manually by people who know what they are doing and what they want. Thing is, the mod itself gives the needed models for the "internet black market" to tweak accordingly to the pedo standards.

It's like giving ammo to the guerilla without selling them the guns. They just have to get the guns from somewhere else and use your ammo, and you are as guilty as the guy selling the guns. (I know, pretty hardcore comparison, but it still works). 

Could you honestly say that you're 100% percent sure that Skykids or RCOTS isn't used in any computer by some common geek addicted to underage porn ? I've seen a comment talking about basic knowledge, if it was really that simple, the mod would've been uploaded on Nexus since, hell, it just adds pretty kids and nothing else right ? 

And firstly, why the heck is it uploaded in the adult section ?! That alone is the only reason why LL could get bad reputation, it is obvious it shouldn't be there in the first place ! 

I love this forum just like everyone posting here, and I'd hate it if it was forced to close thanks to two or three mods that are playing way too closely with the line, thus endangering all the other great mods here that are not getting enough recognition. The great works of people like bleagh or Gone that have nothing to do with kids could be indelibly flagged as inappropriate because of that kind of misunderstanding, because at some point, someone will manage to make a patch where a kid can masturbate or fuck a horse, and it won't be funny anymore. Who will get the blame at that point, the ones making the meshes of the kids, or the ones making the animations or the one who made the patch ? 

 

This is the internet, things can go airborne just from one single polemic started about a mod it's authors deemed completely innocent. I personally would like to see those kid mods gone, but that's my own personal view on the subject and no one but me can care about it, still, if it's not getting cut, couldn't it at least be placed in the non adult mods section ? 

[rylasasin]

 

 

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