Apparently, this is what LL's reputation is like

[windpl]

Mods will do nothing, because we had this drama once and rules were set. Any mod that place children in sexual act are not allowed and will be removed. If you find one, report it.

[TheDriedFinger]

Speaking of reputation, what the hell is up with the recent uploaded content? Droves of weapons, non-skimpy armor, and general misc mods that have no real reason for not being on the Nexus or TESA instead?

I thought this place was made for posting specifically those mods that would get you banned on other sites, namely adult mods.

Well, I can't speak for others, but I know that my TDF Equipment Restriction mod was made based on a request here, so I uploaded the mod here. But, apart from that, I don't think that LL has any policy against non-adult mods.

[GrimReaper]

It's not only about kids being killable, it's about putting children in hostile factions, too. Yes, we are all adults but we have two sections here, one for adult mods and one for non-adult mods. Boobs go in the adult section as well as killing children. It's about social norms and all that jizz and I don't really want to go into that, but I can tell you that you are pretty alone with your opinion about killable children not going into the adult category. Sorry. Just like most people would agree that skimpy outfits in general belong to the adult section, despite that we are all being adult and mature and can handle a boob or two. If Skykids was only about making children less like alien potatoeheads than it should be in the non adult section, I agree.

 

The nudity is a thing that is close to crossing the line and the only thing that saves this mod is that nudity in itself is not sexual. It's pretty thin ice and I think if it goes further than just plain nudity, like SoS support for the child races, will result in actions being taken against the mod. For the sole reason that SoS can not be implemented in a non sexual way.

 

btw., the ONLY thing Halofarm said was this:

 

Loverslab: Stealing your shit because we can’t make our own.

 

His claim of LL being full of lazy thieves has nothing to do with questionable mods involving children.

[Rayblue]

Now he (or claims to be himself) stepped into /tesg/. The hell he's trying to be, Derek Smart?

[bob11]

 

 

 

Well to be fair your first few posts on that matter sounded like "Those mods need to be taken down or else LL is doomed". It was a misunderstanding I'm sure, no hard feelings and all that.

 

But I still don't get why you're so obsessed about a children overhaul mod being posted in the adult section. Skykids gives you the ability to literally murder children. This may not seem like a big thing for the average TES / Fallout player because let's face it, the children in Bethesda's games are immersion breaking little pests, but for everyone else this is actually a problem. Bethesda won't allow links to mods that allow you to kill children on their forums and the nexus enforces any mod that allows you to kill children to be posted in the adults only section.

 

 

Well it's not really Nexus here, we all are adults and the killable children are just an immersive aspect of a game that are not implemented in the vanilla because of real world systematical polemics when a kid is harmed in a game. When you want a game to be wholly immersive and have the means to almost do it with all the mods there are out there, seeing a kid get killed is only adding to the drama you want to have while playing. I mean honestly, looking at a kid get showered by a pillar of flame coming out of a dragon's mouth and running around unscathed after that is pretty retarded when you think about it. I personally like to think I'm actually saving my kid when a giant attacks my Hearthfire house and not only saving his pants from getting dirty when he goes kneeling after getting hammered by something strong enough to send you in the stratosphere. Hence, putting it in the non adult section would be more logical, if there was only that. 

 

But, they also have a nudity mod for Skykids if I understood everything.

 

That's what I have a problem about actually, I know it's just 3d and I shouldn't be bothered about it, but I still find it kinda unsettling. I've got rape mods on my game, yeah, but it isn't disturbing me since the animations themselves are not really rape related, I mean most of the animations don't make your character cry while cutting his wrists in the corner of his bathroom after 3 am when he's sure his uncle is sleeping since he would've gotten a hard on hearing him cry and raped him once more for the lols, no. It's just animated sex and even the sounds are more about pleasure than fear and distress, so it just becomes 3d porn and nothing else. But a naked kid is different, it's a naked kid in whatever context you put it in, and you know there isn't really any chance to see a naked kid in Skyrim "immersively speaking". I'm really not an immersive fanatic too, but on this particular point allow me to be one, because if not for the immersion there isn't any other reason than pedo ones for wanting a kid to be naked. Try to think about it dude, I've looked for possible explanation for a kid being naked, and I've found none, maybe someone will prove me wrong.

 

So I don't know how the moderators are going to go about it but I hope they're thinking about a solution, can't let that rot in the adult section while saying Halo is completely wrong in his article, and that's why I'm "so obsessed about a children overhaul mod in the adult section"

 

 

Ah, so killing imaginary children somehow is less of an offense than nude imaginary kids.  Glad we sorted this thing now.

 

Also, you can dislike or condemn whatever you like, I do that all the time.  Trying to impose what people do with their imagination or in their imaginary game or 2d art or novels  or whatever treads on very, very slippery territory.  Sooner or later, unless you're the one making the rules, the rules are gonna bite you back if you're creating anything of importance.  I hope the burning of books rings some bells.  Some people still feel it's a nice sport.

 

Also, that "X whatever is allowed cause immersion" is as lulz.  Trying to rationalize why you have rape mods installed is also rather amusing.  In the end, you consider ok in your game whatever you consider ok, yet want to dictate what people do with their game.  You do also realize that your argument will mean nothing to people out to get your for having rape mods installed.  The problem is they'll be as right as you talking about children mods.

 

Personally, I find many things distasteful in every medium, be it games, art or novels.  I will express my opinion if it's strong enough, but forcing my opinion on an imaginary place as law on everyone, nah, I won't do that.

 

Edit: Damn typos >_> Yay for lack of sleep.

[GrimReaper]

As far as I know Halofarm has been a part of the /tesg/ crowd for quite some time.

[Rayblue]

As far as I know Halofarm has been a part of the /tesg/ crowd for quite some time.

 

This is hilarious. If he can wade in there then he has to show up here to explain about what he blurted right on Tumblr for the reactionaries to see.

[GrimReaper]

 

 

This is hilarious. If he can wade in there then he has to show up here to explain about what he blurted right on Tumblr for the reactionaries to see.

 

 

 

When I said I can't wrap my head around that, I really meant it. I have no idea what made him say that.

[gregathit]

The only question I have is "why does anyone here even care what some butt hurt whiner mumbles on his blog?????"

 

Anyone who visits here for more than 30 minutes can figure out his comments are bullshit. 

[Rayblue]

The only question I have is "why does anyone here even care what some butt hurt whiner mumbles on his blog?????"

 

Reputation and publicity. Some of us are defensive or concerned about what those proclamations would do to provide a public (twisted or otherwise) impression of what this site does, but for better or worse it's free advertising (just like what happened to Rapeplay -- the soccer-mom condemnation of the otherwise obscure H-game led to greater curiosity).

 

Whatever Halo says will be known quickly.

[Chaos63]

The only question I have is "why does anyone here even care what some butt hurt whiner mumbles on his blog?????"

 

Anyone who visits here for more than 30 minutes can figure out his comments are bullshit. 

 

Regularly bitching about unimportant things is a good outlet. You walk away healthier.

Well...physically.

 

[GrimReaper]

The only question I have is "why does anyone here even care what some butt hurt whiner mumbles on his blog?????"

 

Anyone who visits here for more than 30 minutes can figure out his comments are bullshit. 

 

Halofarm is a pretty well known modder in some communities. I don't know for sure if he was around the TESEyecandy forum, but I think he was. The eyecandy forums were basically the birthplace of the exnem eyecandy and more importantly the HGEC body for Oblivion and I was having a really good time there, the forum was what got me into modding in the first place. Nostalgia is a sweet poison, isn't it. Anyway, the cool people switched over to TESAdventures after some drama I don't really know anything about. I didn't. I enjoyed Halofarm's work and thought he was a pretty decent and laid back person, too. Until now, at least. I was literally blown away by that statement of his. Well, as blown away you can get by trivial internet stuff.

[Redflyingmonkey]

It's not only about kids being killable, it's about putting children in hostile factions, too. Yes, we are all adults but we have two sections here, one for adult mods and one for non-adult mods. Boobs go in the adult section as well as killing children. It's about social norms and all that jizz and I don't really want to go into that, but I can tell you that you are pretty alone with your opinion about killable children not going into the adult category. Sorry. Just like most people would agree that skimpy outfits in general belong to the adult section, despite that we are all being adult and mature and can handle a boob or two. If Skykids was only about making children less like alien potatoeheads than it should be in the non adult section, I agree.

 

The nudity is a thing that is close to crossing the line and the only thing that saves this mod is that nudity in itself is not sexual. It's pretty thin ice and I think if it goes further than just plain nudity, like SoS support for the child races, will result in actions being taken against the mod. For the sole reason that SoS can not be implemented in a non sexual way.

 

btw., the ONLY thing Halofarm said was this:

 

Loverslab: Stealing your shit because we can’t make our own.

 

His claim of LL being full of lazy thieves has nothing to do with questionable mods involving children.

 

That's a shame about the killable children, I do watch movies where kids die and I only find it sad but necessary in the storyline, because if there is a kid in the middle of an atomic bomb attack, the kid will die, that's how it goes. Like, for me, a game where kids can be killed is just a part of a pegi 18 game in a world where the focus is on roleplay and immersion, but I realize it's really different from one person to the other. 

Also, I may have confused the two articles in the OP because of the fact that they were identically stupid. 

 

 

Ah, so killing imaginary children somehow is less of an offense than nude imaginary kids.  Glad we shorted this thing now.

 

Also, you can dislike or condemn whatever you like, I do that all the time.  Trying to impose what people do with their imagination or in their imaginary game or 2d art or novels  or whatever treads on very, very slippery territory.  Sooner or later, unless you're the one making the rules, the rules are gonna bite you back if you're creating anything of importance.  I hope the burning of books rings some bells.  Some people still feel it's a nice sport.

 

Also, that "X whatever is allowed cause immersion" is as lulz.  Trying to rationalize why you have rape mods installed is also rather amusing.  In the end, you consider ok in your game whatever you consider ok, yet want to dictate what people do with their game.  You do also realize that your argument will mean nothing to people out to get your for having rape mods installed.  The problem is they'll be as right as you talking about children mods.

 

Personally, I find many things distasteful in every medium, be it games, art or novels.  I will express my opinion if it's strong enough, but forcing my opinion on an imaginary place as law on everyone, nah, I won't do that.

 

 

See GrimReaper, that's the kind of dude I was talking about right here.

So, sir, I think you should try to read everything and wait some seconds before starting to write, seconds which should be precious for your head to process all the information and put them in order. Those seconds would've allowed you to notice that I've mentioned numerous times that I didn't try to condemn anyone or implement any kind of rule, only that I personally disliked the fact that the mod was in the adult section even if I've stated that I've got no solution to post it in the non adult one because of the fact that there is a nude patch. 

 

I've enforced nothing, and only expressed my opinion as you said, since this is a forum and I thought I could put my 2 cents at the time to talk about it since the subject shifted to the recent flamewar that happened in the Skykid thread. 

 

And yea, call me a psychopath if you want but I do believe allowing kids to be killed in a pegi 18 game isn't that big of a deal, because of the situations I've talked about in my last post. Seeing a kid survive a dragon encounter in my Dragon Overhaul game where they can one shot me with my enchanted glass armor is pretty game breaking for me when I want to turn my game into a kind of Game of Thrones flavored stuff, dark fantasy like with all the jazz minus the rape, which I purposely tweak to look like consensual sex. So yeah, I find killable kids and naked kids hugely different, the first being logical for me in a Skyrim world filled with dragons, and the second not since it's a Skyrim world and people there should be crying for their gods when they take off one piece of clothing. And it is only my goddam point of vue , if you have a problem with it just don't agree silently and pass your way instead of answering pointlessly and having me show you how much of an idiot I'm taking you for.

 

The rape mods I have are SexLab submit, Defeat and SD+ and I only see it as a hentai kind of porn where the "victim" is actually liking the stuff since I'm playing some nymphomaniac female character, because it's a generic fantasy for men and those are the only ones that add sex in combat areas where there are only hostile factions. Hence, it's not even rape but self surrender. I'm not rationalizing rape mods here, I'm explaining how I'm using them in my game as this is once again a forum and I can talk about my own view on the subject. Now I'm waiting to see if someone has a reasonable view on the naked kid subject, maybe if they share it here I could find it acceptable, because right now I have difficulties admitting it can be used for anything else than pedo stuff. 

 

And your post is incredibly paradoxical, you are saying on one hand that you enjoy sharing your opinions on various subject but damn me at the same time because I've talked about my own opinion on the subject. In my eyes, you are the one thinking that your opinion is the one that should be elevated as a reference point and that the only instances in which you deign to come down from your mighty celestial throne to share your point of vue are those where you feel that only your opinion is the reasonable one and that everyone else's is a "lulz". Doing that is bad in itself, but doing that and not reading/understanding everything and creating other misunderstandings is even worse. 

 

 

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I want to precise, hoping that the digression from the OP will stop, for everyone else reading this thread and already writing a stupidly hasty answer that I do not want the mod banned even if I hate the nude patch, I only have issues with it being in the adult mod section since this is one of the reasons why we are getting some bad reputation in the first place, god damn it.

 

I just want to be able to say "look at all the fucks we give" to anyone trying to publicly bash loverslab and I can't do it while knowing a kid mod is in the adult section, that's all. 

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[gregathit]

Regularly bitching about unimportant things is a good outlet. You walk away healthier.

Well...physically.

 

 

 

What??????  

 

You do realize you that just caused common sense to have a stroke.  

 

                 

 

 

To be honest, I feel healthier both mentally and physically when I read the nonsense that whiners write and Laugh My Ass Off at how ridiculous they are being.  Try it and I think you'll find it is much more satisfying.  

[Guest Mogie56]

The only kid that should die, that needs to die a horrible death, that should have his armpits infested by the fleas of a thousand camels is joffrey baratheon, all the rest should be left the fuck alone !!!

now back to your regularly scheduled OP.

that is if there is any chance of getting back to...........wait, what the hell were we talking about?

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

I am deeply confused about this whole complaining about killing children in games. I mean, the games that have killing children mods also involves limbs being blown off, heads being gibbed to the point where eyes are rolling on the ground, heads being torn off by war hammers, slicing of throats, raising the dead for your own purposes, arming a nuke in the middle of a city so as to kill everybody, pickpocketing live grenades onto people to blow them apart, shooting them full of bullets and turning them into piles of goo/ash with energy weapons.

 

So doing all of this, and committing genocide on entire areas of a given map to boot is fine when it's adults, yet doing this to children, even if they're doing the same exact thing as the adults you kill, is somehow wrong? How is one act of in game violence that results in murder any worse than another simply because the model is more child like?

 

It seems to me that if you're against this towards children, it seems only reasonable that you should be against it towards adults.

[PsychoMachina]

The only kid that should die, that needs to die a horrible death, that should have his armpits infested by the fleas of a thousand camels is joffrey baratheon, all the rest should be left the fuck alone !!!

now back to your regularly scheduled OP.

that is if there is any chance of getting back to...........wait, what the hell were we talking about?

 

Add Justin Bieber to the game...and make him able to respawn...my sabrecat is hungry.

[Chaos63]

 

Add Justin Bieber to the game...and make him able to respawn...my sabrecat is hungry.

 

I don't think he counts as a kid anymore.

And if anything, he should be given to Molag Bal, the King of Rape.

 

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Hey, come on now, no need to insult the King of Rape. He's a stand up guy!

[Guest Mogie56]

ROFLMFAO "He's a standup guy" The picture I got in my head was of him doing a standup comedian act. not real sure how that would go over.

[Halstrom]

 

The only question I have is "why does anyone here even care what some butt hurt whiner mumbles on his blog?????"

 

Reputation and publicity. Some of us are defensive or concerned about what those proclamations would do to provide a public (twisted or otherwise) impression of what this site does, but for better or worse it's free advertising (just like what happened to Rapeplay -- the soccer-mom condemnation of the otherwise obscure H-game led to greater curiosity).

 

Whatever Halo says will be known quickly.

 

LOL, only in a few small select circles, he's a nobody as far as I and much of the internet is concerned..............

[gvman3670]

Well it seems quite apparent that Honey-whoever and Halofarm both frequent this board/site to know about that one particular conversation concerning a skin texture. Heck, they both probably have sock puppet accounts here to download the "filth" they claim to dislike. I'd probably put at least a few Septims on it. Any takers?

[Rayblue]

 

 

LOL, only in a few small select circles, he's a nobody as far as I and much of the internet is concerned..............

 

I know, but in most cases he gets flamed, hence he's almost like Derek Smart.

[Guest corespore]

I don't mean to cuss but.... fuck!. I have to admit in a way Halo is pointing the finger at my sorry ass. People have asked me what texture mod i use (body type) and i have always told them It was one of the optional files in Halos UNPCM mod and if they wanted the same textures to go to his site and download it for themselves. I have NEVER tried to pass that amazing quality of work off as my own and in fact i made an entire forum post praising how amazing his work really is  http://www.loverslab.com/topic/24728-shameless-mod-plugging/. It never occurred to me that he would consider ass-kissing to be theft? This makes no sense to me, how exactly is using someones mod as intended an offense. 

Now i'm not saying trying to pass off even part of someones elses work as your own is OK, in fact, if i saw someone ripping any of Halos content I'd call them out in a heart beat.

And as for using content without others permission

 

 Halofarm

December 30, 2013 8:53 am  Reply

 

Well, if you want to do something without permission, that’s up to you. I have done that a few times. If you plan to release it on the nexus though, you need his permission, so be wise about it. Getting permission is always best. I usually only go without permissions if I have been unable to attain them after a week or two.

Here's the link in case you guys want to see the context he was referring to.http://mod.dysintropi.me/unpc/#comment-1053

 

Ugh, i don't even know what to say guys..i feel like i've been hit in the stomach. Guess this is what i get for trying to promote another modders work....lesson learned 

[Guest Mogie56]

I think he needs to be told just how WRONG he is in his little blame game he's playing. And it sounds as though he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I get the feeling it's one of those "He said She said" sort of things and he's listening to the wrong people. But he has no call to blame LL or you when nothing has actually been done. A little ironic though, accusing people on LL of stealing because they can't do it themselves when all he did with pinup is convert DAZ3D shit.

Aww well, Karma and all that you know.