Mebrilia Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I don't care how much every single one of you including me bash ME3 or EA games... You absolutely know you're going to buy ME4 and DA:I, no matter what hatred anger and resentment you may have... You can't deny lie or cry when these games are released, look at the fiasco with Dungeon keeper... I still play it sadly... Even though it's a pain in the ass to wait so long for a freebie without spending money... Wrong.... I played dragon age 2 but i never mentioned if i puchase it or not.... It helps a lot have parents that loves rpg too so you can avoid to puchase the garbage
sunspotz Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I don't care how much every single one of you including me bash ME3 or EA games... You absolutely know you're going to buy ME4 and DA:I, no matter what hatred anger and resentment you may have... You can't deny lie or cry when these games are released, look at the fiasco with Dungeon keeper... I still play it sadly... Even though it's a pain in the ass to wait so long for a freebie without spending money... Wrong.... I played dragon age 2 but i never mentioned if i puchase it or not.... It helps a lot have parents that loves rpg too so you can avoid to puchase the garbage I'm not young so my parents are gone, but that's cool! I wish my parents played RPG games when they were alive... My wife is sci-fi junkie, she has every sci-fi game you could imagine... Spent all her sick days playing ME3 DAY AND NIGHT! ADDICTED to Eve Online, ever since it came out..! I couldn't help stopping it even if I tried, I get so caught up with Bioware releases... Ever since Baldur's gate I can't stop... I know it's damn near impossible for me to withhold myself now.
jxm Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 To be honesty, I heard liara was like bipolar, i heard she was hostile in the first, rude in the 2nd, and the 3rd she was nice haha. Ashley was annoying and miranda seems like a bitch, but her in voicer is hot. XD And the first part. kinda like a dream of how it all ends? than u go tofight them and its not that hard. i think it piss off ALOT of ppl XD I thought Liara was non-existant in the second, because they only included her in that DLC I never cared about and instead added a legion (hah! clever am I not?) of mostly pointless (for the storyline) NPCs instead...all in all ,the only cool females in ME were Chakwas (because booze) and Shepard herself (due to Jennifer Hale! She even makes me wish that Diablo3 ends differently ... fuck you Cain, at least Leah never charged me for identifying things!) Jennifer Hale *sigh*... And its kind of a question: What will be the majority in such a case (Indoc-ME4): The ones pissed, or the ones pleased? Damn, in one of my hateful daydreams I bought off Bioware from EA and made them redo the entire series, telling everyone in every interview about how stupid the game-decisions were and that we'll rectify these mistakes! The ones pissed in that dream were mostly the fired devs that had thought they made "art" and the game-journalists who thought they were playing a clever game and praised it into heaven...the fans actually made a parade for me.I need to dream that one again, t'was cool... WARNING! Pointless rant-rage inbound, in spoilers so not to offend the minors that probably are all over this adult forum, as well as the Mass Effect fans that might get their feelings hurt if confronted with The Truth (aka me!). Prepare for impact and minor sarcastic fallout: sorry to all that liked Mass Effect as it is now, but you have to face the sad truth: you are wrong, I am right, and my taste in storytelling is much better than yours. Kinda hard to swallow, right? But that's it, and I don't need to proof that or provide arguments, because its plain obvious! It's story is silly, the Reapers become a joke, the ending is stupid, the starchild the worst idea in gaming-history, and in an actually well-designed game Shepard only had to die if you screw up your fucking gameplay by rushing through or decided it to be YOUR ending, NOT because the emo-god of wannabe-mature storytelling demanded it! (look at Dragon Age origins to see how that is done right) BTW...Shepard already died once, nobody likes repeating stuff...so again, Shepard's death = not needed by storytelling at all...but hey, the story was getting nowhere anyhow when ME2 started... Choke on that, LL forums! Arrogant and ignorant I am? Hell yeah, you bet! But also deep down you know I am right...Thank you for reading, I am back into my cell now, I have to write the storyline for Mass Effect 4 with my own blood and feces (which actually was the way Casey Hudson was handling things, I am sure!) And yes, I am still a bitter, wounded person, and I will never stop mocking the way ME-series ended...
ElectricSheep Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 ME3 having utterly shitty writing has nothing to do with taste, it's a fact obvious to anyone who can distinguish chocolate from a dog turd. This game is just an epitome of how not to write a video game (and not only a video game): the stupidest and most blatant deus ex machina ever used in a vg plot, messing with the theme of the series for the sake of being artsy, introducing new characters in the last installment (the most important one in the last 10 minutes of the game!), completely nonsensical motivations of some characters and foremost the main villains, nonsensical explanations of many important occurrences (Legion had to... because of personality transfer required, are you FUCKING KIDDING ME!!??), killing important characters via e-mails etc., etc. It literally blew my mind how cheap it was, I felt as if someone had spit me in the face.
XJ347 Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 ME3 having utterly shitty writing has nothing to do with taste, it's a fact obvious to anyone who can distinguish chocolate from a dog turd. This game is just an epitome of how not to write a video game (and not only a video game): the stupidest and most blatant deus ex machina ever used in a vg plot, messing with the theme of the series for the sake of being artsy, introducing new characters in the last installment (the most important one in the last 10 minutes of the game!), completely nonsensical motivations of some characters and foremost the main villains, nonsensical explanations of many important occurrences (Legion had to... because of personality transfer required, are you FUCKING KIDDING ME!!??), killing important characters via e-mails etc., etc. It literally blew my mind how cheap it was, I felt as if someone had spit me in the face. Don't forget SPACE ninjas! Somehow someone with a sword is better than someone with a gun... Bad writing is BAD, the ninja GLOATS that he lost the fight and his henchmen defeated you! Totally stupid. How are you questioning yourself when you KICKED the space ninjas ass? His backup defeated you, not him! Quest system is HORRIBLE. You don't talk to people anymore, you overhear people talk like a stalker. DUMB! Quest UI itself is flawed! Story is pretty much on rails, you don't really make any decision on how to progress the story, just if you do the main story or do fluff. Previous chapters at least let you decide what order you did the story arc, not here! LAME There is less fluff this game than previous installments. Less to explore, less quests, just less of everything... How about you can't play with half your teammates? Miranda your love interest? Doesn't matter, can only get a cameo then she is gone... It's retarded how much is wrong with the game. They get some things right... Chuchanka was a good story arc! For the most part, so was the Geth part, but overall it was pretty bad. More on bad writing... How about less choices when you do get to talk? You get auto dialogue, so it feels more like a movie than a RPG. More I think about it the more flaws I remember!
legendarytoyou Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Lol this topic has been talked nearly to death but you know for good reason; when you take a dump on a franchise and come up with a lame half-assed trilogy ending that looks like someone gagged a mule and barfed up this mutant baby of terrible you can't expect much. More-so now than ever with Electronic Arts behind the scenes. EVERYONE knows for a fact that the reason Mass Effect 3 failed so miserably is because of EA. They were all over Bioware like a cheap suit, pushing them to pump out the game as fast as possible due to the hype. They paid for that impatience; the poor game has been regulated to the bargain bin. To date (as I work at the local Walmart) there are a total of 17 copies of Mass Effect 3 ranging from PS3 to XBox 360. Not one PC in the mix but it's not like it matters; nobody buys them anyways. You can tell Bioware was rushed thanks in part to a piss poor publisher. EA wants to improve their image but so far its not working I mean just look at the recent Dungeon Keeper Mobile game. It literally throws the gamer community a big, "F*** YOU!!!!!" and came out with a terrible micro-transaction POS that seems more like an insult than a game. I'm not seeing a bright future for the Mass Effect franchise with Electronic Arts constantly breathing down Bioware's neck screaming, "putz out gamez NOW we wantz MONEYZ!"
jxm Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 ME3 having utterly shitty writing has nothing to do with taste, it's a fact obvious to anyone who can distinguish chocolate from a dog turd. This game is just an epitome of how not to write a video game (and not only a video game): the stupidest and most blatant deus ex machina ever used in a vg plot, messing with the theme of the series for the sake of being artsy, introducing new characters in the last installment (the most important one in the last 10 minutes of the game!), completely nonsensical motivations of some characters and foremost the main villains, nonsensical explanations of many important occurrences (Legion had to... because of personality transfer required, are you FUCKING KIDDING ME!!??), killing important characters via e-mails etc., etc. It literally blew my mind how cheap it was, I felt as if someone had spit me in the face. During the whole backlash of the ME3-shitstorm I was more and more thinking about the writing and how it and when it got bad. But despite my former rage-comment: ME3 has achieved at least something: Its ending is the reason its still being talked about on various sites on and off again. It has dug itself in the minds of the fans (or former fans), which is more than a lot of other franchises did achieve...though Dragon Age's Ending, the more positive one, is also strong in my head, and I get all warm and fuzzy because that ending worked for me, and left the door open for my own imagination how it could go on from there... So what went wrong in Mass Effect? I think the ambition of telling a coherent story over teh course of three games was too much. It is already hard to do that in other medias like books and movies (e.g. Star Wars Jedi return is kinda weak, the last two books of A song of ice and fire as well), and then you had a change in the dev-team and writing team of Mass Effect as well. Its already difficult for ONE person writing a story to keep everything together, but there are multiple persons working on games. And multiple story-angles and decisions to consider for the players... I think it all went over their head, combined with tighter schedules from EA and their demand to streamline it more. Then we get ME2, which is kinda praised by some fans to be the best...though I see it as teh beginning of the end. It just wasn't obvious at the time. But just look at two examples: Harbinger and the Terminator-Reaper. Harby is constantly mocking you across the game, up until the very end. In ME3, he is shortly mentioned ONCE or so, he is I guess hitting you shortly before the elevator of light...but NO interaction whatsoever...? Wasted potential to establish some kind of adversary. All adversaries we deal with and talk to are from Cerberus...BUT THE REAPERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE MAIN ENEMY!! It almost seemed as if the whole Reaper-thingy became a burden to Bioware ratehr than the actual topic and main plot-point to deal with. And the human reaper? Though the boss fight was not too great...the reveal itself was kinda cool. The Reapers wanted to harvest us, to procreate. They needed us, like cattle. I loved that dreadful thought! I wasmaking up my mind constantly about how we would stop them, thinking about these last heroic moments that showed Shepard aboard the Normandy II. But the whole concept was kinda not really picked up upon. Yes, we see some Human Reaper remains in the Cerberus (again?!) base, and they add to our insignificant War Asset count. But with the appearance of Star Child, did all of that and what the Reapers were matter any more? Not as far as I am concerned... Its a bit like this: In Star Wars Empire, we have two big emotional plot points: Han gets frozen in carbonite, and Darth is Lukes father. Shocking!!! I can only imagine how the people were all over teh world talking about that in the eighties, and how the Internet would have been full of disussions if it had been around back then. And now imagine that neither plot point had been relevant in Jedi returns... Han does not appear, all we get for explanation is: A Rebel Swat team rescued him, he now is on the other side of the galaxy doing something...??? And Luke is merely confronting the Emperor, with Darth Vader being on the Executor overseeing the Space Battle, without any confrontation or plot-relevance to the former reveal of the Sith-Vader-Father... That's the problems for me. If you want to tell a story over the course of three games, you HAVE to dedicate yourself to it, and keep the direction and ultimate target destination of the story. Anything else, like multiple NPC-personal-Stories are contributing, not distracting, from the main story and plot you want to tell. This main plot should be the focus, the one thing unchangeable! In that regard, I am glad the other dev-team from Bioware, doing Dragon Age, never succumbed to that danger. Many, many fans loathe DA2, often for the simple reason that they cannot paly as their beloved Warden from part one. I think that is a blessing rather than a curse. Each DA-Game seemed to be on its own, not part of a huge story arc centralizing around just one character. That's safer than Mass Effects approach, sure, and something tells me ME4 will also tell a far less "epic" story, contained within just one game rather than again trying to establish something as big as a trilogy. Now ME4, no, I am not really interested in playing it unless it somehow rectifies the mess of part 3, but Dragon Age 3, I still have hope for. If DA3 tells me a fine story with great chars and doesn't end the world or forces my char to die and sacrifice herself, I am fine. I do not mind some consequences for this, as long as I can choose between some different fates. Like origins let me choose. Dragon Age Origins and ME1...the good days of these franchises...and yes, both before EA took over
ElectricSheep Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 What happened to Mass Effect? EA happened: shortened production cycles, bad management decisions, competent writers leaving, morons like Walters and Hudson being put in charge and so on. After Drew announced his withdrawal from Bioware shortly before ME3's release -- supposedly to focus on writing books (yeah, right...) -- I knew that shit the size of Uranus was coming, for such an announcement from the father of the franchise shortly before a big event like that in the company's history was like announcing divorce shortly before your sibling's marriage. As for the plot, it started to fall apart in the second installment known to be sew together from various ideas from an earlier scenario -- in which Shepard was not even cooperating with the Cerberus and it was Legion who rescued him at the beginning of the game -- and some generic ideas added in the last minute, like the aforementioned Cerberus (hence the quasi heist structure of the game). The suicide mission alone entombed a lot of the potential content ME3 could have had due to Bioware's inability to plan beyond borders of a single game; even though the idea was good, it was a noobish mistake to add so many IFs at that point of the trilogy, they should have execute it in the last game.
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 I like to pretend that Mass Effect 1 was a failure and never had any sequels, that way I can simply enjoy a great, if still somewhat flawed, science fiction RPG shooter and not have to think about stupid things like Collectors, Legion, the Human Reaper, the suicide mission and anything from ME3. That said, the original story dealing with dark energy was still as fucking stupid as what we got in retail ME3, so I can't take any solace in thinking it could have been better.
ElectricSheep Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 The dark energy thing was just some idea Drew *supposedly* had at some point, it was far from being legit.
BAB PEEG Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Tell when femshep can get Tali and maybe I'll care.
Guest Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 I may play it, but probably 3 or 4 years after the release date.
Malandar Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 I had a lot of fun with the ME series, though I never finished 3.... I got to the point where it was the last night before and stopped, twice. (both times with Liara.... can't help it) On the new ME game ME4 or whatever... If the main character were Sheppard and Liara's daughter it would be perfect for me though I kind of doubt they would make the main character a female only since they would likely lose players because some refuse to play female characters. I do think they need to have more character options than just a male and female version of one character. I did like the ability to play the different races in the multiplayer in ME3 I had a blast playing other than human characters. I mean hell I'm human (last i checked anyway) so i want to play something different... which is why I never play a human character in D&D lol. ElectricSheep... I actually recognize your avatar. Don't see Kiko Wu much anymore.
Angrybird Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Anyone who thinks any Bioware game will ever be anything like Kotor, BG or whatever loved classic is a fool, ME4 will be for their ME3 audience same for DA:I, easily seen by looking at the recent trailers. Buy the games if you like to play a cinematic game on easy with dumb storytelling with maybe one or two memorable characters nothing wrong with that but don't complain when the game is crap. Better yet don't buy them because they don't deserve it.
prideslayer Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 I am a ragehater over the ME3 stuff, and probably won't buy ME4 until it's been out a year or more and is on sale / cheap used. In my mind, ME3 ends when you slump down on the steps with Anderson, and that call from Hackett never comes in. That or the "IT", if you want to give bioware more credit than I think they deserve.
ZXZXZX Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 I've been buying my games with only a few exceptions no sooner than at least 3 months after release. Civ 5 I bought either pre-order or straigthaway, but didn't play it untill my standard period. With that kind of wait-time I can find those reviewers who aren't industry bootlickers and get a good sense whether to buy or not. I can skip the public betatest, widely referred to as release. I can skip refuse piles like dragon age 2 altogether. Never bought it. Doubt I ever will. Even with the ending furor I did buy and play ME3. Funnily the thing that really makes me mad with it is something I've not seen any anger or rants about. The starchild and such I can live with if I belileve in the indoctrination theory, which makes the ending kinda bad acid trip which I can live with. I'll surely check up on ME4, what do people think about it. There is a possibility, slight as it may be, it's not shit.
Askan Vulrel Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 With ME3's ending, there's not much that can be done, unless it's in the very far future from ME3. With all the core relays gone, and the entire army of every race stranded on an essentially destroyed Earth? I mean, they could do it many years later, where the governments of each race rebuilt, and remade the core relays, but it just seems like a pain to write, and not seem like they're just doing it for the series' popularity. PS: One thing that annoyed me, BioWare went back on their own logic with the mass core relay destruction. With what was explained to us, that would have decimated the galaxy.
Vulgaris Magistralis Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I dislike that they are making a 4th, considering the 3rd ended with the MAIN CHARACTER dying, but if EA wants Bioware to make another one, I can't do anything to stop them..
XJ347 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Well Shepard isn't Mass Effect. I don't mind them making a new main character... AS LONG ASS they don't reintroduce previous characters. They need to start fresh. That is, until Bioware alienated me. Now they can go fuck themselves. I will consider it when its 5 dollars at a steam sale, ohh wait EA doesn't use Steam... Point being, I can live without!
jxm Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I dislike that they are making a 4th, considering the 3rd ended with the MAIN CHARACTER dying, but if EA wants Bioware to make another one, I can't do anything to stop them.. Well Shepard isn't Mass Effect. I don't mind them making a new main character... AS LONG ASS they don't reintroduce previous characters. They need to start fresh. That is, until Bioware alienated me. Now they can go fuck themselves. I will consider it when its 5 dollars at a steam sale, ohh wait EA doesn't use Steam... Point being, I can live without! I think any character that they might now introduce to us as new main character might end up ... rather lame and unloved. S/he will always be compared to Shepard. And there will always be complaints either s/he is not "shepard-enough" or simply a shepard-ripoff ... for me a lose/lose scenario, but maybe I get suprised? I don't count on it though ... Not to mention that at least for me the fascination of Shepard had much to do with Jennifer Hales excellent voiceover, which brought a badass-chick to life... Anyway, in my own personal little dreamworld the ones responsible for ME3 at Bioware/EA got kicked and replaced by people who actually know what they are doing, + they get free hands to do what they like (dreamworld, its EA afterall). Then they decided to make the only ME4 that would be utterly cool: They make ME2 ... öh what? Yeah, really...they laugh into our faces and we learn that Shepard indeed died or at least got incapitated at the very beginning of ME2 ... but everything after this was a lie ... Indoc extreme...the Reaper-Invasion still has to happen, and Shepard, who has to use the first hours of the game to somehow wake-up from his/her strange death-like dreamworld/state etc ... Extreme? Yeah, that would be MY ME4 if I had total control at EA...I mean c'mon, its no real waste if ME2 and 3 never happened! ME2 was okay but the story pointless and lead to nowhere, which ultimately was one of the downfalls for ME3 ... so get rid of both in some way and open the door for a true end to the ME-series! Uh...got to wake up I guess ...
prideslayer Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I dislike that they are making a 4th, considering the 3rd ended with the MAIN CHARACTER dying, but if EA wants Bioware to make another one, I can't do anything to stop them.. Only in most (all but one) of the ending sequences.
Guest tomm434 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I dislike that they are making a 4th, considering the 3rd ended with the MAIN CHARACTER dying, but if EA wants Bioware to make another one, I can't do anything to stop them.. Only in most (all but one) of the ending sequences. There was a discussion long ago that Shepard coudn't survive the fall through atmosphere from CItadel(and it also blew up). So if he was really there he died. So only IT can save him. And Bioware rejected IT. So I think he dies anyway(unless someone tells me how he woke up on earth after CItadel blew up)
prideslayer Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I dislike that they are making a 4th, considering the 3rd ended with the MAIN CHARACTER dying, but if EA wants Bioware to make another one, I can't do anything to stop them.. Only in most (all but one) of the ending sequences. There was a discussion long ago that Shepard coudn't survive the fall through atmosphere from CItadel(and it also blew up). So if he was really there he died. He survived such a fall once..
jxm Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 There was a discussion long ago that Shepard coudn't survive the fall through atmosphere from CItadel(and it also blew up). So if he was really there he died. So only IT can save him. And Bioware rejected IT. So I think he dies anyway(unless someone tells me how he woke up on earth after CItadel blew up) Either she (!) fell through the atmosphere (because people think they see some concrete debris which might point more to buildings on Earth), or she took one deep breathe after waking up on the Citadel ... which of course would also mean that while Liara and co are out there space-hiking and making little memorial plaques for the fallen nobody ever cared to look if there were any survivors on the Citadel? At least both versions can support the IT ... and I would have LOVED the IT to be true, and one of the DLCs (who needed the crap they actually brought out as DLCs please?) or a true Addon Shepard raises from the debris among the still raging battle on Earth...hell yeah! Ah...whatever, though Red is okay-isher than the rest, its still a load of crap ... and don't get me started about the "Fuck you complaining fans" - ending of the so-called extended cut...
prideslayer Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 There was a discussion long ago that Shepard coudn't survive the fall through atmosphere from CItadel(and it also blew up). So if he was really there he died. So only IT can save him. And Bioware rejected IT. So I think he dies anyway(unless someone tells me how he woke up on earth after CItadel blew up) Either she (!) fell through the atmosphere (because people think they see some concrete debris which might point more to buildings on Earth), or she took one deep breathe after waking up on the Citadel ... which of course would also mean that while Liara and co are out there space-hiking and making little memorial plaques for the fallen nobody ever cared to look if there were any survivors on the Citadel? They were on the run before the thing lit off, and wouldn't be able to (immediately) return thanks to the damage to the relays. Personally I don't see enough detail in the scene to say if it's on earth or the citadel. Any of it could be chalked up to the IT crap though, though all of that can itself just be hallucinations from trauma and blood loss -- which is what I choose to believe.
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