Blacknpink Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Might seem like a noob question, but I honestly can't find a solution anywhere. I'm having a problem with the delivery quest. I forgot who the master said I was supposed to deliver too, the customer doesn't appear on my map, the journal entry doesn't mention them, and the option to just tell the master I couldn't make the delivery isn't there either. What do? open console and type sqv CDxPackageDelivery use pageup and pagedown to scroll through the ouput and tell us what aliases are None also what is REF DeliveryTarget -> REF DeliveryTarget NONE -> REF UnsignedReceipt NONE -> REF Customer08 NONE -> REF Customer14 NONE -> REF Bandit06 NONE I tried loading a save from before I accepted the delivery quest and entering the same command, the same two customers were missing.
tallal Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Veladarius Got past the issue I had with the assist customer (now on 3.7)Solution was the obvious of ignore why the cstomer did not appear on the15th then carry on till the 15th next (30 odd more days) and the costomer did then appear andall went OK. The next three customer assists have also worked fine.Only thing the difficulty/fix-trys suggest is that after a successful customer assist (probably when masterremoves the bindings) is to re-set all the gloabal and script variables to do with the assist (done and fail) toa consitant set of values as it seems the mcm reset does not do a complet job (and probably it should not as that wouldlet the player out of punishemt by use of the mcm reset).
Wandering_Mania Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Oh god, my log is clotted with a line I can't even begin to comprehend. [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC85)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC81): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC81)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC84): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC84)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC83): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: And that's with the Wheels of Lull disabled. I feel like skipping quest 2 with a console command would be the only solution, how do I get the quest's ID and last stage? What mod is at 5A in your load order? That's the thing - it used to be Wheels of Lull until I turned it off, yet the error remains Use a save cleaner to remove the scripts from your save game, they typically do not go away by themselves. Yeah a save cleaner or a new game is the answer. But I am a firm believer of "There is no such thing as a clean save, and a new game is the only clean save."
Aluminium Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Oh god, my log is clotted with a line I can't even begin to comprehend. [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC85)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC81): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC81)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC84): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC84)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC83): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: And that's with the Wheels of Lull disabled. I feel like skipping quest 2 with a console command would be the only solution, how do I get the quest's ID and last stage? What mod is at 5A in your load order? That's the thing - it used to be Wheels of Lull until I turned it off, yet the error remains Use a save cleaner to remove the scripts from your save game, they typically do not go away by themselves. Yeah a save cleaner or a new game is the answer. But I am a firm believer of "There is no such thing as a clean save, and a new game is the only clean save." Well, a new game would be the last option, and savecleaner didn't help one bit. To make matters worse, I can't understand the problem in Papyrus log - now that the Wheels of Lull script is gone, it seems like the CD script stops working by itself.
Veladarius Posted November 3, 2014 Author Posted November 3, 2014 Oh god, my log is clotted with a line I can't even begin to comprehend. [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC85)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC81): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC81)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC84): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: [ (5A46A25E)].SPELL.Cast() - "<native>" Line ? [ (5A29FC84)]._Lull_BottomFirerScript.OnUpdate() - "_Lull_BottomFirerScript.psc" Line 15 [11/03/2014 - 02:42:17AM] warning: (5A29FC83): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells.. stack: And that's with the Wheels of Lull disabled. I feel like skipping quest 2 with a console command would be the only solution, how do I get the quest's ID and last stage? What mod is at 5A in your load order? That's the thing - it used to be Wheels of Lull until I turned it off, yet the error remains Use a save cleaner to remove the scripts from your save game, they typically do not go away by themselves. Yeah a save cleaner or a new game is the answer. But I am a firm believer of "There is no such thing as a clean save, and a new game is the only clean save." Well, a new game would be the last option, and savecleaner didn't help one bit. To make matters worse, I can't understand the problem in Papyrus log - now that the Wheels of Lull script is gone, it seems like the CD script stops working by itself. Post a new log and I will see what I can find in it.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 Might seem like a noob question, but I honestly can't find a solution anywhere. I'm having a problem with the delivery quest. I forgot who the master said I was supposed to deliver too, the customer doesn't appear on my map, the journal entry doesn't mention them, and the option to just tell the master I couldn't make the delivery isn't there either. What do? open console and type sqv CDxPackageDelivery use pageup and pagedown to scroll through the ouput and tell us what aliases are None also what is REF DeliveryTarget -> REF DeliveryTarget NONE -> REF UnsignedReceipt NONE -> REF Customer08 NONE -> REF Customer14 NONE -> REF Bandit06 NONE I tried loading a save from before I accepted the delivery quest and entering the same command, the same two customers were missing. The ones that are the issue are the customer references, they should always be filled. The Delivery Target and Unsigned Receipt should be filled at the start of the quest. The Aliases for the bandits only fill if they are being used, ones that are blank are not being used on that delivery (if you have a delivery with no bandits none of them will be filled). Veladarius Got past the issue I had with the assist customer (now on 3.7) Solution was the obvious of ignore why the cstomer did not appear on the 15th then carry on till the 15th next (30 odd more days) and the costomer did then appear and all went OK. The next three customer assists have also worked fine. Only thing the difficulty/fix-trys suggest is that after a successful customer assist (probably when master removes the bindings) is to re-set all the gloabal and script variables to do with the assist (done and fail) to a consitant set of values as it seems the mcm reset does not do a complet job (and probably it should not as that would let the player out of punishemt by use of the mcm reset). Do you know what the month was? The only thing I can think of is that it was due to the transition to the new year. The reset needs some work, with the changes made to the scripts for the varied times per month I don't think everything is handled quite correctly, much of it is done in pieces. I will probably just do some small fixes on it for now since it is slated to get a major reworking in the next major update.
trelensis Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Re hi, I managed to complete the thalmor quest (almost). When i'm teleported back in front of the shop, after a few seconf i have a ctd, still don't know why, may be a conflict with some other script or to much load on the payrus. So in order to skip this part i teleported directly in the shop by setting the stage to 535 before the ctd. My problem is now nothing happens. I know i can finish the quest directly by setting the stage to 550, but i'd like to have the discussion with the master. Is there any way to start this specific dialog ? A script to manually launch (i don't even know if it's possible) ?
Slorm Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 @Vel Could we have a checkbox option to delay the start of Master's extra errands (or level requirement slider)? It just seems a bit early in the game as a pc can easily be level 8 just after Ustengrav if using LAL and as it's a very dark tale it seems more appropriate for a much higher level character. It's just a personal view having just started a new game
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 @Vel Could we have a checkbox option to delay the start of Master's extra errands (or level requirement slider)? It just seems a bit early in the game as a pc can easily be level 8 just after Ustengrav if using LAL and as it's a very dark tale it seems more appropriate for a much higher level character. It's just a personal view having just started a new game I don't think it will be a problem, just need to check the conditions on the autostart in the story manager but it should accept a global.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 Re hi, I managed to complete the thalmor quest (almost). When i'm teleported back in front of the shop, after a few seconf i have a ctd, still don't know why, may be a conflict with some other script or to much load on the payrus. So in order to skip this part i teleported directly in the shop by setting the stage to 535 before the ctd. My problem is now nothing happens. I know i can finish the quest directly by setting the stage to 550, but i'd like to have the discussion with the master. Is there any way to start this specific dialog ? A script to manually launch (i don't even know if it's possible) ? Unfortunately, once a scene starts it will not stop until it is complete. The only thing I can think of is to set the stage to 535 just before the last scene in the Embassy ends as you may be able to get it to go to the next stage before it starts the scene.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 I have made more changes and fixes, testing the last few out now so hopefully I should have a release tomorrow. Some of the things done: -Changed how npc's in aliases are identified in Delivery quest -Added check when defeated / surrendered to bandits in delivery quest to have player dismount horse if needed -Added condition to speaking to Master when gagged and returning from delivery with one on (may not go into end dialogue for delivery) -Added slider to MCM menu for the Expansion to set what level the player must be to start it (range 8 - 20). Once it starts the slider is disabled. -Added check to the start of the 2nd expansion quest so if youare wearing any non removable items from another mod that are either a belt, harness, collar, arm cuffs or leg cuff the Master will not allow the quest to start until they are removed. -Removed unused guard from front room of Embassy (was disabled, may have been the one that they were attacking). -fixed some keywords and models on some custom items -Added boots to random item equip lists for punishments -Moved follower release dialogue to Master's main dialogue menu -Added a few submissive comments to the first expansion quest during the scene with Siddgeir and Nenya -Changed setup for Erani at end of 4th expansion quest, she will be set up before the player arrives and speaks with the Master so it will hopefully speed up the start of the scene. -Changed dialogue so you can speak with De'Zra and leave Erani with her when you are wearing a gag. I still need to adjust the reset for the Assist a Customer quest. I have checked most all of these already, just a few left to go over.
aqqh Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Unfortunately, once a scene starts it will not stop until it is complete. The only thing I can think of is to set the stage to 535 just before the last scene in the Embassy ends as you may be able to get it to go to the next stage before it starts the scene. There is an issue on that scene - at least was for me - that Elenwen gets her path blocked by some cart. I never get a cdt out of it tho. After 20 sec of trying to walk through that cart she teleports herself next to master and scene goes on. Another thing is that i tried it twice and both times random dragon decided to appear there exactly at that moment - tho it usually does not attack (tho it happened to me once, loaded the game then without checking how this mess would end). Spending couple of days indoors makes it likely that some dragon would appear as soon as you would get outside. I guess the same goes to hired thugs if someone is using SD+.
Verstort Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 I have made more changes and fixes, testing the last few out now so hopefully I should have a release tomorrow. Some of the things done: -Changed how npc's in aliases are identified in Delivery quest -Added check when defeated / surrendered to bandits in delivery quest to have player dismount horse if needed -Added condition to speaking to Master when gagged and returning from delivery with one on (may not go into end dialogue for delivery) -Added slider to MCM menu for the Expansion to set what level the player must be to start it (range 8 - 20). Once it starts the slider is disabled. -Added check to the start of the 2nd expansion quest so if youare wearing any non removable items from another mod that are either a belt, harness, collar, arm cuffs or leg cuff the Master will not allow the quest to start until they are removed. -Removed unused guard from front room of Embassy (was disabled, may have been the one that they were attacking). -fixed some keywords and models on some custom items -Added boots to random item equip lists for punishments -Moved follower release dialogue to Master's main dialogue menu -Added a few submissive comments to the first expansion quest during the scene with Siddgeir and Nenya -Changed setup for Erani at end of 4th expansion quest, she will be set up before the player arrives and speaks with the Master so it will hopefully speed up the start of the scene. -Changed dialogue so you can speak with De'Zra and leave Erani with her when you are wearing a gag. I still need to adjust the reset for the Assist a Customer quest. I have checked most all of these already, just a few left to go over. You might want to add boots to the list of non-removable items you check before quest 2, since slow walking can mess with the auto pathing AI Otherwise that's a big list, can't wait random question: the list of items added randomly during punishments, are they themed or are they all invidually random?
DevotedGynoid Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Just out of curiosity, since I'm having trouble opening this mod up in the CK to poke around at it, what's the faction for the Captured Dreams people, if I can ask this?
Slorm Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 -Added slider to MCM menu for the Expansion to set what level the player must be to start it (range 8 - 20). Once it starts the slider is disabled. Sorry to be picky but could you make it something like 8 - 50, level 20 is still relatively early in the game Two reasons for this both from a roleplay perspective (the emphasis is on roleplay here). The new missions are a remarkable piece of work but I would have thought the CD shop is a business so the day to day missions (e.g. deliveries etc.) should still take precedence as it’s there primarily to turn a profit. Which brings me on to my second point. What the extra errands missions do exceedingly well is to generate a feeling of having been totally abused by the time you reach the end of them. For a more experienced pc I feel they would get over the experience a lot better than a younger pc who probably would never go near the place again. I think it’s brilliantly done as it takes submission from being a bit of fun to a much darker and serious proposition and you have captured that feeling so well, but personally I feel it should be much later in the game when the pc has matured. As I said above this is from a roleplay point of view rather than just playing it as a one-off mission
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 Unfortunately, once a scene starts it will not stop until it is complete. The only thing I can think of is to set the stage to 535 just before the last scene in the Embassy ends as you may be able to get it to go to the next stage before it starts the scene. There is an issue on that scene - at least was for me - that Elenwen gets her path blocked by some cart. I never get a cdt out of it tho. After 20 sec of trying to walk through that cart she teleports herself next to master and scene goes on. Another thing is that i tried it twice and both times random dragon decided to appear there exactly at that moment - tho it usually does not attack (tho it happened to me once, loaded the game then without checking how this mess would end). Spending couple of days indoors makes it likely that some dragon would appear as soon as you would get outside. I guess the same goes to hired thugs if someone is using SD+. I will make some adjustments on the placement of things outside and see if I can resolve that. I have made more changes and fixes, testing the last few out now so hopefully I should have a release tomorrow. Some of the things done: -Changed how npc's in aliases are identified in Delivery quest -Added check when defeated / surrendered to bandits in delivery quest to have player dismount horse if needed -Added condition to speaking to Master when gagged and returning from delivery with one on (may not go into end dialogue for delivery) -Added slider to MCM menu for the Expansion to set what level the player must be to start it (range 8 - 20). Once it starts the slider is disabled. -Added check to the start of the 2nd expansion quest so if youare wearing any non removable items from another mod that are either a belt, harness, collar, arm cuffs or leg cuff the Master will not allow the quest to start until they are removed. -Removed unused guard from front room of Embassy (was disabled, may have been the one that they were attacking). -fixed some keywords and models on some custom items -Added boots to random item equip lists for punishments -Moved follower release dialogue to Master's main dialogue menu -Added a few submissive comments to the first expansion quest during the scene with Siddgeir and Nenya -Changed setup for Erani at end of 4th expansion quest, she will be set up before the player arrives and speaks with the Master so it will hopefully speed up the start of the scene. -Changed dialogue so you can speak with De'Zra and leave Erani with her when you are wearing a gag. I still need to adjust the reset for the Assist a Customer quest. I have checked most all of these already, just a few left to go over. You might want to add boots to the list of non-removable items you check before quest 2, since slow walking can mess with the auto pathing AI Otherwise that's a big list, can't wait random question: the list of items added randomly during punishments, are they themed or are they all invidually random? They are currently random, I have not rebuilt the scripts to use the tag system in Integration. I will add a check for the boots as well, not difficult to do. Just out of curiosity, since I'm having trouble opening this mod up in the CK to poke around at it, what's the faction for the Captured Dreams people, if I can ask this? Primary one is CDxGeneralFaction and all npc's belong to it. There are also factions for each type of npc, what building they live in and for their bed (so I can change / assign ownership to whomever and to multiple people for larger or shared beds). Other than a few older things you can find anything by using CDx as a filter. -Added slider to MCM menu for the Expansion to set what level the player must be to start it (range 8 - 20). Once it starts the slider is disabled. Sorry to be picky but could you make it something like 8 - 50, level 20 is still relatively early in the game Two reasons for this both from a roleplay perspective (the emphasis is on roleplay here). The new missions are a remarkable piece of work but I would have thought the CD shop is a business so the day to day missions (e.g. deliveries etc.) should still take precedence as it’s there primarily to turn a profit. Which brings me on to my second point. What the extra errands missions do exceedingly well is to generate a feeling of having been totally abused by the time you reach the end of them. For a more experienced pc I feel they would get over the experience a lot better than a younger pc who probably would never go near the place again. I think it’s brilliantly done as it takes submission from being a bit of fun to a much darker and serious proposition and you have captured that feeling so well, but personally I feel it should be much later in the game when the pc has matured. As I said above this is from a roleplay point of view rather than just playing it as a one-off mission Sure, I can up the maximum on that, it is easily changed.
aqqh Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 @Slorm The fact that you receive that ad doesn't force you to go straight to falkreath and start your career at CD shop, doesn't it? Because it depends on your game difficulty settings. On novice you will handle delivery even at lv 8 without much of a problem. On legendary - i would advice against even trying before you get yourself very decent crafted gear, and decent combat skills - which means level 35 at least. Well, unless someone actually enjoy seeing his/her character getting owned by some thugs and then punished that is... I somehow don't. Problem with immersive playing on high level character is: why the hell does your character even bother to start her career there? For money. Other reasons like willingness to submit or a chance to learn how to handle a slave of her own come way later. Money balance on usual lv 50 character of mine is enough to buy myself a falkreath hold or something. So employing myself as a courier for some mere 500 gold coins from my character point of view sounds like an epic waste of time and effort. So imo if we want immersion then those quests should be started very early, and by so they should be doable even for a very low level characters. Maybe there should be few levels of difficulty of those deliveries? Like first 2 no thiefs at all. Another two 1 or 2 thiefs. This might be made that starting career at CD shop could be an alternative to adventuring. But to get this done properly i think some more basic quests would have to be added there. Quest that could be completed by very low level characters when delivery / retrieval is on cooldown. Or even for those characters that find themselves too weak to handle delivery or retrieval. Examples: working as display girl, advertising (convincing townsfolk to become shop clients) or for example filling soulgems that are needed for plugs, or even some training sessions because master whats you to be ready to handle her deliveries (which would put you in debt to her).
Slorm Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 @Aqqh I'm not talking about the delivery quests but the extra errands Aqqh (Embassy etc). I also use various gold sinks (CDW, Trade& Barter) so that gold becomes useful in game (unlike in vanilla skyrim) so the delivery and retrieval missions are useful source of funds earlier in the game
aqqh Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Tbh expansion quests are easier than those regular ones. Except for the last one you don't even need to fight with anyone, you just need to get somewhere and do something. Also - am i worng or first expansion quest requires you to have some decent reputation with the master? Somehow i doubt that while playing on some decent level of difficulty you would have number of errands already completed on level 8. Not sure about that but if rep is not required then imo it should be.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 No, there is no relationship requirement. If you have not gone to the shop by the time the first expansion quest starts the letter you get is different. I figure that if you have made it to level 8 (or whatever level you are by that point) you have a reputation of some sort, also the expansion is tied to the completion of these quests and halts until they are done (except the 2nd one, it continues the second day). Also, as the expansion progresses so does your relationship with the Master. Typically on my play through's of the expansion by the time I get to the end and Erani has come home with me I have gained about 6 levels and that is with me reducing how much xp you get to slow leveling down (I prefer to stay within the lower levels).
Guest Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 OT, sort of: I've been pushing for rewards, I figure the technical stuff will be worked out very soon. The game itself, or some related mod, gives me the "experienced slave" reward, and that was a nice surprise. So, reading "major release" is soon, Please consider, maybe when after all quests are completed, and I've done a few deliveries, DragonBorn gets promoted to "Pet status", or I get something really cool to wear, or I get to finally be owned by Nissa, or I get a wish "Free the slaves". Just a thought. Please carry on.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 OT, sort of: I've been pushing for rewards, I figure the technical stuff will be worked out very soon. The game itself, or some related mod, gives me the "experienced slave" reward, and that was a nice surprise. So, reading "major release" is soon, Please consider, maybe when after all quests are completed, and I've done a few deliveries, DragonBorn gets promoted to "Pet status", or I get something really cool to wear, or I get to finally be owned by Nissa, or I get a wish "Free the slaves". Just a thought. Please carry on. I do have a number of rewards planned including a stay in the VIP house as a guest (you may even get to have an evening with the slave of your choice. There will be other ways to stay there but most are not technically a reward. I believe the Experienced Slave reward is from Deviously Helpless, not entirely sure on that though.
Warrunner Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 Found a bit of a bug. Something with the changed terrain with the full masters place upgrades seems to not be playing nicely with the navmesh for the bridge near the mill; I run with that mod that adds a couple of dozen more patrolling groups to the main roads and every time they (or my companions for that matter) try to cross that bridge they wind up going in circles for a bit and then stopping until I quick travel.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 This morning's changes so far: -added all the items (except piercings) to the check for quest items, better safe than sorry I suppose. -raised the limit on the level slider so the range is now 8 - 50 as requested. -changed how the reset of the Assist a Customer is handled somewhat, in some cases the reset was skipping to the 2nd stage (stage 10) of the quest and may have caused some issues, all now go to stage 5 (initial stage). Resetting it by the MCM menu will set the dates to above the range and so disabling it after that will ensure there is no way for it to trigger anything, the trigger that sets the date can reset them at a later time. -adjusted the teleport points for the exterior of the shop at the end of the 2nd quest. Originally they were all using the same marker but I have set them to teleport to their scene markers. I also repositioned them a bit to interfere with each other less and have expanded the collision box around the wagon to keep npc's from getting stuck on it. This update will likely be available later today, I want to test the quest item check on the 2nd quest first.
Veladarius Posted November 4, 2014 Author Posted November 4, 2014 Found a bit of a bug. Something with the changed terrain with the full masters place upgrades seems to not be playing nicely with the navmesh for the bridge near the mill; I run with that mod that adds a couple of dozen more patrolling groups to the main roads and every time they (or my companions for that matter) try to cross that bridge they wind up going in circles for a bit and then stopping until I quick travel. I have gone over that area several times in the CK and TES5Edit and don't know what the issue is, I did not make any changes to the road itself or any markers that were there. I have seen a similar issue in other locations (places I don't change) so I am not sure what the cause is.
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