Sexlab Sexual Fame RELOADED

[cmblue]

Thanks for updated description - I'll give it a whirl later then and provide some feedback at some point. Good of you to come back and do so

 

[ebbluminous]

40 minutes ago, belegost said:

So, in essence if one wishes to use SLSF Comments, one has to have both installed, as Comments requires "legacy" version. Is that correct?

 

In such case I assume one will have two separate fame gain frameworks and, in turn, can potentially have double the number of events triggered, some of which could, potentially, be contradictory to each other. Are my assumptions vaguely correct?

 

Unfortunately, since the only reason I have SLSF installed in the first place is to have Comments, I have to back bench your version until such a time, that, potentially, it can be used as a full-on replacer for Comments. But that is entirely in the hands of @Gristle and its his decision if he wants to support your version, as I have no idea how much additional work would be required to achieve this.

I got a missing master when I only had SLSF Comments and Reloaded, so yep the original Fame mod is required for comments.

[alain31]

5 hours ago, CwKLL said:

Well, not completely. Dyndoload more like makes SLSF can't detect the start of a sex scene. So no fame will be gained during a sex scene. But cum, tats, devices still give fame while not in sex scene. Sometimes SLSF can sense the end of a sex scene and give corresponding fame.
Below patch also helps a bit 

Hi,
This patch really solves the problem with the dyndolod dll?
I had to go back to the dyndolod version with papyrus util and i would like to go back to the dll ng version if it works well with the patch.
But before restarting the tedious generation of the lod, it would be nice if someone could confirm that it really works 
Thanks.

[NymphoElf]

2 hours ago, belegost said:

So, in essence if one wishes to use SLSF Comments, one has to have both installed, as Comments requires "legacy" version. Is that correct?

 

Only until Fame Comments is updated. I'm working with Gristle to make that process as easy as possible, so hopefully it will be updated soon

 

2 hours ago, belegost said:

In such case I assume one will have two separate fame gain frameworks and, in turn, can potentially have double the number of events triggered, some of which could, potentially, be contradictory to each other. Are my assumptions vaguely correct?

 

The Fame values in "Legacy" SLSF and SLSF Reloaded are entirely separate, so nothing will get doubled per-se. You'll just have separately tracked values.

 

Since all mods utilizing SLSF only had the legacy version to work with until now, they will only look at those values until they are updated to use SLSF Reloaded.

 

I completely understand not using this mod at the moment since no other mods have had an opportunity to update.

[Wasmachensachen]

Has compatability with SexLab P+ been tested?

[NymphoElf]

2 hours ago, Dorabella said:

It was just as a test . I came across several incompatible mods and then, they were working fine 😁

I will wait for someone to convert it for LE
 

 

 

I understand. I was just giving you the full explanation. Thank you for testing it!

[NymphoElf]

2 minutes ago, Wasmachensachen said:

Has compatability with SexLab P+ been tested?

 

No. I have not used P+. However, I'm assuming that this is not compatible with P+ because the hook for animations looks like it has been changed, and this mod needs to detect when an animation starts for you to gain fame during sex. However, I do see a possibility for updating this mod to be compatible with P+ (or have a separate version that uses P+ instead).

[NymphoElf]

@Dorabella - Actually, can you give me more of an explanation as to what you were doing (even if you were just moving to a new location) when that message box appeared?

 

As for the "False" list you saw on the Fame Overview page, that is normal. If you have no fame at all in a location, it will say "False" for that location. If you do have fame in any category for a location, it will say "True". I'm trying to come up with a more clear way to show this in the MCM. The Fame Overview page is meant to be an easy way to know where you have fame without needing to scour the Detailed Fame section by looking at all locations.

[Dorabella]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

Actually, can you give me more of an explanation as to what you were doing (even if you were just moving to a new location) when that message box appeared?

I was checking the various mod options in MCM.
Apart from the error I reported, it is extended to the whole Fame list (Whore,Slut,Submissive,etc) 

Assuming that , it might conflict with the SLSF of LE , I preferred to remove it . 

 

I will update you on any developments . I am going to try it again, disabling SLSF which , by the way , I have no mods installed that require it, apart from the modification of 1 script of TAP , which I replace with the original

[belegost]

3 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

Only until Fame Comments is updated. I'm working with Gristle to make that process as easy as possible, so hopefully it will be updated soon

I understand. Thank you, and thank you @Gristle

Looking forward to it.

[VahzahVulom]

the updated description is much clearer thank you.
if your taking requests it would be cool if working as a prostitute through The Ancient Profession could increase your fame in the respective categories

Thanks again

[Guest]

Hi! Could you please add support of modern fertility mod - SoulGem Oven 4: Integration Fork 1.8. Thanks

 

[Guest]

I also can't start SLSF Fame Comments  without SLSF Fame (old original mod)
Is there any patches that make comments work wihout the old mod?

[Scarlettears]

I am amused that half of the comments her are in regards to slsf comments, because that's exactly what I came to check on! I guess immersive experience is a high priority! 

Anyhoodles. I appreciate your work on the updated mod. Looking forward to playing with it!

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, Sicumbaka said:

I also can't start SLSF Fame Comments  without SLSF Fame (old original mod)
Is there any patches that make comments work wihout the old mod?

 

As stated above, I'm working with Gristle so he can update Fame Comments to be usable with SLSF Reloaded. Hopefully he will release an update soon

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, Sicumbaka said:

Hi! Could you please add support of modern fertility mod - SoulGem Oven 4: Integration Fork 1.8. Thanks

 

 

I will consider it. I attempted to integrate SGO before and it caused issues in Creation Kit. I will see if this helps.

Edited August 19, 2024 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, VahzahVulom said:

the updated description is much clearer thank you.
if your taking requests it would be cool if working as a prostitute through The Ancient Profession could increase your fame in the respective categories

Thanks again

 

I will add this to the list of requests. I'm aware that there are more possibilities to gain Whore fame, but for now I just want to get what's here fully ironed out and as bug-free as possible.

[NymphoElf]

4 hours ago, Dorabella said:

I was checking the various mod options in MCM.
Apart from the error I reported, it is extended to the whole Fame list (Whore,Slut,Submissive,etc) 

Assuming that , it might conflict with the SLSF of LE , I preferred to remove it . 

 

I will update you on any developments . I am going to try it again, disabling SLSF which , by the way , I have no mods installed that require it, apart from the modification of 1 script of TAP , which I replace with the original

 

I can promise you there's no conflict with the old SLSF. This mod is entirely built from scratch and doesn't use ANYTHING from the old SLSF whatsoever. However, removing the old SLSF still isn't a bad idea. If nothing else it will help you not get confused.

 

EDIT: I think I know the problem, and again it's likely due to an odd incompatibility with LE, but not a major incompatibility (if that makes sense). I'm willing to show you how to fix it for LE if my hunch is correct.

Edited August 19, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Gristle]

I intend to create a version of SLSF Fame Comments for this, but at this point it will likely be a one-off conversion, and likely of a subset of the mod's features.  I've corresponded with NymphoElf on this project, but since there's a lot of interest, I thought I would put here some of the things that I will need to address/figure out.

• I'll need to create a second development environment. Recreating the Fame Comments mod from scratch is not practically possible. So, I would have to modify the mod, for which I will need a second development environment to do without messing up the base mod.
• I'll need to confirm that the global variables used by SLSF Reloaded for fame are identical to those used by SLSF.
• I'll need to change all conditions checking SLSF's "Sadic" fame (an unused SLSF variable I'm using for cheating fame) to SLSF Reloaded's "Unfaithful" fame.
• Since (I think) there is no comment frequency control in SLSF Reloaded that I can read with dialogue conditions, I will need to create one and put it in the MCM (not a big deal). Currently, I'm using the SLSF-provided comment frequency control.
• The nudity detection could stay as is (Fame Comments uses Skyrim's vanilla method for nudity detection). 
• I am using SLSF-provided Magic Effects for visible cum detection/location, visible dirt detection, and visible bondage device detection. I don't believe SLSF Reloaded offers similar functionality that I can read with dialogue conditions. Sexlab itself offers Magic Effects for cum layers, but they are really cumbersome to use (there's one for every possible combination of body location/# of layers), and they don't tell you if the cum is visible or not. So, there would likely not be any cum, dirt or bondage comments in v1 of any new SLSF Reloaded-compatible version.  So, I'm going to have to go through many thousands of dialogue lines and check each of them for SLSF-specific dialogue conditions (e.g, cum/dirt/bondage conditions). I could delete such lines (would make the voice pack smaller), but if I just disable those lines it will make it 1000x easier to put them back once solutions are found for these conditions.
• SLA will still be a requirement.
• What about ZaZ? I know a lot of people don't like it. Because it was an SLSF dependency, I have used it in the Fame Comments mod, e.g., for collars, cuffs and hoods. I could drop ZaZ as a dependency and remove the relevant events, but it would also remove two fun elements of the Markarth quest: Lilly's animation to shyly cover her naked body with her hands, and the masturbation/prayer idle marker in the Solitude Temple of Dibella. These both use ZaZ animations. Also, it would mean no ZaZ whips for future S&M-related activities.

As you can imagine, the above is a lot of work. So, I can't promise a quick update. Any thoughts on the above?

 

Edited August 19, 2024 by Gristle

[CwKLL]

11 hours ago, alain31 said:

Hi,
This patch really solves the problem with the dyndolod dll?
I had to go back to the dyndolod version with papyrus util and i would like to go back to the dll ng version if it works well with the patch.
But before restarting the tedious generation of the lod, it would be nice if someone could confirm that it really works 
Thanks.

The problem is only partially fixed by the patch as you can see in my comment. Fame won't be gained during any sex scene but outside the sex scene. Sometimes SLSF can detect the participants in the sex scene and give corresponding fame after the sex scene such as Likes Khajiit, Likes Argonian, and Like Orc . The main problem is the patch is not a stable fix. Sometimes you mess around with settings and the fame will not be gained anymore again.

I think wait for the SLSF reloaded updates and integrating with more mods will be better for now.

Edited August 19, 2024 by CwKLL

[Arcane Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

I intend to create a version of SLSF Fame Comments for this, but at this point it will likely be a one-off conversion, and likely of a subset of the mod's features.  I've corresponded with NymphoElf on this project, but since there's a lot of interest, I thought I would put here some of the things that I will need to address/figure out.

• I'll need to create a second development environment. Recreating the Fame Comments mod from scratch is not practically possible. So, I would have to modify the mod, for which I will need a second development environment to do without messing up the base mod.
• I'll need to confirm that the global variables used by SLSF Reloaded for fame are identical to those used by SLSF.
• I'll need to change all conditions checking SLSF's "Sadic" fame (an unused SLSF variable I'm using for cheating fame) to SLSF Reloaded's "Unfaithful" fame.
• Since (I think) there is no comment frequency control in SLSF Reloaded that I can read with dialogue conditions, I will need to create one and put it in the MCM (not a big deal). Currently, I'm using the SLSF-provided comment frequency control.
• The nudity detection could stay as is (Fame Comments uses Skyrim's vanilla method for nudity detection). 
• I am using SLSF-provided Magic Effects for visible cum detection/location, visible dirt detection, and visible bondage device detection. I don't believe SLSF Reloaded offers similar functionality that I can read with dialogue conditions. Sexlab itself offers Magic Effects for cum layers, but they are really cumbersome to use (there's one for every possible combination of body location/# of layers), and they don't tell you if the cum is visible or not. So, there would likely not be any cum, dirt or bondage comments in v1 of any new SLSF Reloaded-compatible version.  So, I'm going to have to go through many thousands of dialogue lines and check each of them for SLSF-specific dialogue conditions (e.g, cum/dirt/bondage conditions). I could delete such lines (would make the voice pack smaller), but if I just disable those lines it will make it 1000x easier to put them back once solutions are found for these conditions.
• SLA will still be a requirement.
• What about ZaZ? I know a lot of people don't like it. Because it was an SLSF dependency, I have used it in the Fame Comments mod, e.g., for collars, cuffs and hoods. I could drop ZaZ as a dependency and remove the relevant events, but it would also remove two fun elements of the Markarth quest: Lilly's animation to shyly cover her naked body with her hands, and the masturbation/prayer idle marker in the Solitude Temple of Dibella. These both use ZaZ animations. Also, it would mean no ZaZ whips for future S&M-related activities.

As you can imagine, the above is a lot of work. So, I can't promise a quick update. Any thoughts on the above?

 

 

I took a quick look to see if maybe I could somehow help with part of the effort.

 

I'd hate to see comments be split into two versions - double the maintenance effort is a lot to ask for and I'd hate to see the new version not be maintained.   That said, it sounds like it might not be easy for NymphoElf to provide backwards compatibility for anything other than maybe the global variables?

 

A quick analysis shows something you probably already know - the only dependencies that SLSFFameComments.esp has on SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm are the Global records and MagicEffect records.   I determined this by deleting all other record types from the SLSF esm and doing a "check for errors" in xEdit.  The number of errors didn't change (there are 14 or 15 pre-existing errors in comments).

 

I didn't look at the scripts to see what hooks they have to SLSF internals.

 

Maybe not a full second dev environment with dozens of duplicate mods?   If you're using MO2, how about making a copy of your mod with a new name and then just use a new profile?

Edited August 19, 2024 by Arcane Wanderer

[Arcane Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

I,,,

• What about ZaZ? I know a lot of people don't like it. Because it was an SLSF dependency, I have used it in the Fame Comments mod, e.g., for collars, cuffs and hoods. I could drop ZaZ as a dependency and remove the relevant events, but it would also remove two fun elements of the Markarth quest: Lilly's animation to shyly cover her naked body with her hands, and the masturbation/prayer idle marker in the Solitude Temple of Dibella. These both use ZaZ animations. Also, it would mean no ZaZ whips for future S&M-related activities.

 

 

A lot of mods, including Simple Slavery Plus Plus still require ZaZ.   Zaz doesn't do anything by itself and doesn't conflict with Devious Devices, so I hope no one hates it so thoroughly that they deprive themselves of mods that use it.   Personally, it feels like yanking it out isn't worth the amount of effort and doubly so if it means losing features.

Edited August 19, 2024 by Arcane Wanderer

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Gristle said:

I intend to create a version of SLSF Fame Comments for this, but at this point it will likely be a one-off conversion, and likely of a subset of the mod's features.  I've corresponded with NymphoElf on this project, but since there's a lot of interest, I thought I would put here some of the things that I will need to address/figure out.

• I'll need to create a second development environment. Recreating the Fame Comments mod from scratch is not practically possible. So, I would have to modify the mod, for which I will need a second development environment to do without messing up the base mod.
• I'll need to confirm that the global variables used by SLSF Reloaded for fame are identical to those used by SLSF.
• I'll need to change all conditions checking SLSF's "Sadic" fame (an unused SLSF variable I'm using for cheating fame) to SLSF Reloaded's "Unfaithful" fame.
• Since (I think) there is no comment frequency control in SLSF Reloaded that I can read with dialogue conditions, I will need to create one and put it in the MCM (not a big deal). Currently, I'm using the SLSF-provided comment frequency control.
• The nudity detection could stay as is (Fame Comments uses Skyrim's vanilla method for nudity detection). 
• I am using SLSF-provided Magic Effects for visible cum detection/location, visible dirt detection, and visible bondage device detection. I don't believe SLSF Reloaded offers similar functionality that I can read with dialogue conditions. Sexlab itself offers Magic Effects for cum layers, but they are really cumbersome to use (there's one for every possible combination of body location/# of layers), and they don't tell you if the cum is visible or not. So, there would likely not be any cum, dirt or bondage comments in v1 of any new SLSF Reloaded-compatible version.  So, I'm going to have to go through many thousands of dialogue lines and check each of them for SLSF-specific dialogue conditions (e.g, cum/dirt/bondage conditions). I could delete such lines (would make the voice pack smaller), but if I just disable those lines it will make it 1000x easier to put them back once solutions are found for these conditions.
• SLA will still be a requirement.
• What about ZaZ? I know a lot of people don't like it. Because it was an SLSF dependency, I have used it in the Fame Comments mod, e.g., for collars, cuffs and hoods. I could drop ZaZ as a dependency and remove the relevant events, but it would also remove two fun elements of the Markarth quest: Lilly's animation to shyly cover her naked body with her hands, and the masturbation/prayer idle marker in the Solitude Temple of Dibella. These both use ZaZ animations. Also, it would mean no ZaZ whips for future S&M-related activities.

As you can imagine, the above is a lot of work. So, I can't promise a quick update. Any thoughts on the above?

 

Well, in my opinion, since this author NymphoElf is here and his mod is in active development and the other mod is dead (i mean Sexual Fame Framework)
I would consider cooperating with NymphoElf so he could add all nessesary features currectly missing to support your mod and when these Sexual Fame comments will be identical you could abbandon the one which supports outdated framework.

Simply because I hate outdated things that will never ever be updated.

Edited August 19, 2024 by Sicumbaka

[VahzahVulom]

i often get spammed with a bunch of message boxes reporting apparent errors about cells not having the info needed to affect fame is that normal and working as intended?

[danna233]

Will there be anything to recognize this?