Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[eflat01]

18 hours ago, plainclause9981 said:

Hi! like everyone else, I love this mod!
I got one question though: Can I safely update the mod from v.0.46 to the latest version 0.53 mid save and keep playing on that save or should I rather start over with a new save, if I wanted to experience the newest version?

 

I finish quests so they are no longer pending in journal. Then leave Tirwin at the Bannered Mare, leave her there go someplace else, Then update. Once updated I go back and pick Tirwin up again. 

[eflat01]

On 2/25/2026 at 11:13 AM, killer905 said:

I'm not sure, because I don't know when Gristle removed that quest from Whiterun.

Anything in 3.6x has those beast letters and that unfinished quest. Once 3.7x on up those letters are removed and the unfinished quest is gone.

 

Note... I tend to be a completionist - if I see a quest in game/mod I do it, overly curious. The only reason I added creature SL animations was because I saw Evelyn, her fox Roxy and eventually the quest. Slowly built up beast fame with that fox, had no other mods to do so. SLSFC adds creature npcs all over the place. I slowly added other creature mods like Aroused Creatures and even VAR because of SLSFC.

 

The Quest was never complete, it only went so far.

1. It triggered on the globals SLSF_CurrentFamePCLocation_Beast in Whiterun and SLSFC_FE_Beastiality.
2. A timer is set and days later you'd get a warning letter delivered by a courier from the Jarl telling you to stop that behavior. 
3. You choose to continue the behavior you'll get arrested. (either visit the Jarl or gain a bounty)
4. The Captain of the guard takes you to the Jarl.
5. Offered the choice of imprisonment or show the Jarl by having sex with his dog.
6. The Jarl uses you then and proclaims you the Beast Whore of Whiterun.
7. Days latter you're summoned to the Jarl and he wants you to find the best breeding stallion in all of Skyrim by visiting multiple stables across Skyrim.
8. The Stage dialog and sex scene at the Whiterun  stable was complete - the others were not - so the quest stopped there.

So, once I updated my PC was stuck with the active quest The Beast Whore of Whiterun quest, along with the sub-task of finding the Jarl a Stallion. To get that off my active journal I put the old version back in my load, marked the task and quest complete, then updated to the new version again. The quest somehow still shows up in the completed side of my journal even though it no longer exists, does not hurt anything though.

 

Edited February 27 by eflat01

[eflat01]

2 hours ago, Mikufan39 said:

 

That's the problem I'm dealing with now, though I'm not sure if it's actually related to Tirwin's room, or if the culprit was the "Lust for Knowledge" quest, where I had to go to Apocrypha.
After those quests, I noticed that every time I visit a tavern or inn, that eerie, scary background music plays.

 

This makes no sense to me. 

 

Music Type DLC2MUSDungeonApocrypha [MUSC:04034281] is attached to the cells DLC2Book02DungeonNEW and VARApocryphaWorld2. VARTirwinRoom has no Music Type at all - it does not exist.

 

What's more, changing a cell should point to the Music Type of the current cell you're in and play that.

 

Is this because the music for Tirwin's Room has no Music assigned?

 

 

 

The standard player homes like Breezshome use Music Type MUSTownTest [MUSC:0002C3CA]. Maybe try assigning that to Music Type for Tirwin's Study?

 

A Music Type form is structured similar to a level list, outfit or forms list... but it's a list of music forms and plays them in a sequenced loop.

 

Edited February 27 by eflat01

[Muntos]

Hello guys. I'm having trouble with Tirwin. She refuses to follow me during the quests "Baring it All" and "The Naked Scholar." I have to constantly use the moveto player command to teleport her to my location. I’m not sure if I messed something up or if it's just a bug. I've already tried the resetai and disable/enable commands, but she still won't budge. Everything else in the quests seems to work fine. 

Edited February 27 by Muntos

[eflat01]

10 minutes ago, Muntos said:

Hello guys. I'm having trouble with Tirwin. She refuses to follow me during the quests "Baring it All" and "The Naked Scholar." I have to constantly use the moveto player command to teleport her to my location. I’m not sure if I messed something up or if it's just a bug. I've already tried the resetai and disable/enable commands, but she still won't budge. Everything else in the quests seems to work fine. 

 

Sounds like she's lost her following package? I do not remember if there was a step - dialog or something - to get her following again from the point of the water?

[binq007]

5 hours ago, Muntos said:

Hello guys. I'm having trouble with Tirwin. She refuses to follow me during the quests "Baring it All" and "The Naked Scholar." I have to constantly use the moveto player command to teleport her to my location. I’m not sure if I messed something up or if it's just a bug. I've already tried the resetai and disable/enable commands, but she still won't budge. Everything else in the quests seems to work fine. 

I had this several times as well, not sure if it is the quest or skyrim just bugging out. I usually reload to a previous save before I had the issue.

[LunaBear006]

Just want to report a possible issue/cdt. I'm kinda stupid at times so it might be something else but, It seems to stem from using High Poly Head with the Vampire head fix option checked. 

 

I was crashing when trying to load my character preset in racemenu so I checked the crashlog. It was pointing to "FemaleHead_KLH" being the culprit and I saw Animal_Research.esp appearing over and over again.

-- Uninstalled AR, No crash.

-- Reinstalled AR, crash.

-- Saw I didn't have the High Poly Head patch so I installed that, But still got a crash.

-- Unchecked the Vampire Head Fix option in HPH's fomod, no crash and everything seems to be working normally again. 

[Gristle]

On 2/20/2026 at 4:32 PM, Predict2420 said:

I need some help.

I'm having a lot of trouble with this last chapter. I started a new game and skipped to the last chapter, but I'm having a lot of broken behaviour (collarQuest)

• At whiterun entrance, tirwin never stops me to start the bind. I used setstage 355 to be able to advance
  • Then, the act between tirwin and the guard doesn't start. She just keeps following me while the guard is waiting on the building. Again, setstage to advance
• At the big forge, the conversation between aela and erlund never starts. I just start the conversation with aela to advance
• At dragonsearch, the conversation between the mage and jarl never start. Again, have to force the conversation.
• At the carriage, cant do anything.
• I gave up

So, im sure is something very broken in my load order. But if someone had the same issue, or is there is something common on those situation that would help find whats wrong. Help would be much appreciated.

 

I played everything prior in the mod (older save) and was great! Thank you for these great mods!

If you are on stage 350, it means the trigger box at the drawbridge advanced the stage correctly. Stage 350 starts a very brief scene. It's just Tirwin saying "Please, stop!" That dialogue advances the stage to 355. So, if the stage doesn't advance from 350 to 355, it means the scene didn't run. 

 

Also, all the other problems you mention involve scenes not starting.  The only related thing I can think of is that, in the last major update, I started putting the PC in each scene, even though the PC is given no dialogue or actions. Why? Because this shuts down other mods (like my Fame Comments mod) that are designed not to interrupt when the PC is in a scene. It works well for that purpose, but it sounds like you may have some other mod that has put the PC in a scene that has not ended. I'm thinking a mod because you are only the second person to report this scene issue. 

 

There's a LL mod that tells you if the PC is in a scene (and what scene), but I forget which mod has that in its MCM. Anyone know?

 

[Gristle]

On 2/21/2026 at 2:00 PM, Galadran said:

Alright, I found Otto in the Inn, he was standing in a room with beds, not moving so that's probably why I missed him. Thanks for the help!

Very strange. I checked his package and he's set to wait within 64 units of a marker placed in front of the exit door. Do you have any mods to the inn?

[Gristle]

On 2/22/2026 at 2:29 AM, Spaysmen said:

 

It help, thank you.

 

Another issue - Tirwin non-stop change outfit from base robe to vampire robe (or mix fom base and vampire) to Nocturnal, like Deakon in F4, lol. And eat all equipment i give. It ridicolous, if i cant equip her i can tolerate, but can you add option to chose definite set of cloth please.

This is a limitation of her outfit system. It only works correctly if she has one outfit at a time. It she has any outfit pieces in her inventory other than the ones she is wearing, her outfit system will get messed up. The plan is to improve her outfit system in the future to be able to control multiple outfits, but for now please take away from her all outfit pieces she is not wearing. I'll put this in the description as well.

 

You can reset her outfit system by asking her to change into robes, then asking her to wear a custom outfit and taking everything away except the outfit you want her to wear. She will then switch properly between robes and that outfit.

 

On 2/22/2026 at 2:29 AM, Spaysmen said:

Also Storm always follow me, even Tirwin was dismissed, it kind of annoin.

 

I checked Storm's packages. Storm never follows the PC. He follows Tirwin, but only when she is actually riding him (which is how riding works). So, if Storm is following your PC it must be another mod doing it.

[Gristle]

On 2/22/2026 at 7:56 AM, WaterRabbit said:

I get to the Black Briar lodge quest marker in Seeds of Lust and nothing triggers.  

 

Edit: It looks like the problem is that the stable master did not spawn.  Also, from this quest forward I noticed I had to use the console to advance quest stages more frequently.

I found the problem and will fix in the next bug fix update. If you can give more detail about any stages you had problems with, that would be helpful.

[Gristle]

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

Issue 1. Tirwin tends to getting stuck in stealth mode quite frequently.

Like killer905 mentioned, this is a Skyrim bug. She is made a "Teammate" using Skyrim's teammate system, which is what makes her go into stealth mode when the player does.  Serana has the same issues. The standard Serana fixes are 1) fast travel, 2) command her to sit, 3) force shout her, or 4) disable/enable in console.

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

Issue 2. Her following package is set way to close - she notoriously getting inside player sexing animations (even teleporting into them), pushes player from bridges etc. Especially annoying for vr player, when npc disregard standing player and pushing him/her around.

The default follow package is set to min/max of 128/256. I'll try setting hers to 200/300 in the next update.

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

Edit: Issue3. Everytime i tranform into verewolf she always interrupt with her suprise me being one) - i assume it should be single experience

It should be. In fact there is a variable set when you get this force greet specifically to prevent a repeat of this force greet, but the dialogue can also be made "RunOnce" as a further backup.

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

Suggestion: Give Tirwin wardobe, her college clothes are i bit of stale after a while (tried to dress her up by another mod but after her sexing she revert to her vanila clothes)

As kiiler905 mentioned, you can do this (after the dog quest). But don't give her more than one custom outfit - meaning, remove all other outfit pieces from her inventory when you give her the custom outfit.

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

edit: Also she tends to comment that they just met, despite traviling in game months, no big deal but hurt immersion. ALso it would be nice make at front page Aroused Creatures mod be softly incompatibile - she had looots of experience before hunting her animals with that mod in the list, roleplaying that need some mental gimnastics.

I can't recall any such comments. Can you recall a few words from any? As for Aroused Creatures, it can also be a bit hard incompatible, in that it could interfere with the mod's animals. But in any case, yes, a note in the description is appropriate.

On 2/23/2026 at 11:27 PM, unwashed biomass said:

And i know it is waaaay to dabble with early dialouge topics, but i've always wanted player being expert in beastiality and showing her the ropes, just hints of it.

Like killer905 said, the PC being an expert would take away from of the importance of her quests for the books. It would also create a need for some alternate dialogue. But, in future updates, the PC could be given the opportunity to go first with the animals. That would allow a player to be more of a mentor.

[Gristle]

On 2/25/2026 at 12:26 AM, binq007 said:

• NPC Spawn Issue: Khorst failed to spawn near the Black-Briar Lodge. I was able to fix this via the console using PRID xx39A41B followed by Enable.

• Clipping at College of Winterhold: In the College scenes, actors are clipping through the beds. Even with SL P+ set to "NPCs always use beds," the alignment seems off despite the actors being in the right location.

• TDM Compatibility: During the Thalmor Manor quest ("VAR_AlinorManor"), controls become unresponsive if True Directional Movement is active—likely because the player is controlling Tirwin instead of the MC. Disabling TDM in the MCM temporarily resolved this.

• Force-Greet Latency: Thoril’s force-greet is inconsistent. It often triggers very late (after I’ve already moved to the next hallway) or not at all, which breaks subsequent quest stages. In comparison, the Manor Guard’s force-greet works perfectly.

• Lurker Scene/Animation Lock: After the Manor quest, the Lurker scene failed to trigger for my MC. Using a matchmaker spell returned a "MC is not added" notification, suggesting the MC was temporarily locked out of SL animations. This resolved itself immediately upon teleporting back to Skyrim.

I also encountered an issue with the quest timer for Tirwin’s study. Despite being on v0.53, the "3-day wait" stage failed to update upon completion. Interestingly, the party room construction and its subsequent 3-day wait worked perfectly.

It is worth noting that I updated from v0.52 to v0.53 mid-save, specifically after finishing the Winterhold quest but before starting any other quest. This update timing may have impacted the script behavior for the study (and could be just me).

 

Thanks for the mod so far and hopefully my notes are useful for you!

Thanks for the feedback, and glad you like the mod.

 

The Khorst issue will be fixed in the next update, which should come soon.

 

College bed sex - These scenes do not use markers. Instead, Sexlab is being told to use to use the bed via the "CenterOn" function of Sexlab. In my experience, this makes actors sink into the bed a bit. I always thought this was deliberate, so the beds didn't seem made of stone, but it does obscure things at times. I can drop a marker on the bed and use that instead. That has been done in some mod scenes, but not most. But that's a lot of work, so will probably be done further down the road. 

 

As for TDM, I can only make a note in the description. TDM seems to conflict with quests or mods that change PC controls - even the Helgen opening scene. 

 

For Thoril's force greet, I think I found a way to improve its reliability. This will be in next update.

 

Lurker - I don't understand this one. All of the Tirwin/PC stuff is unwound when the action returns to Apocrypha. This is hard for me to troubleshoot because it's working for me.

 

Regarding the 3-day wait on Tirwin's study, you updated a bit too late for the fix to take effect. So, I don't think there's anything to address here.

 

[Gristle]

On 2/25/2026 at 7:27 PM, prometheusx said:

But i had another issue with the quest. The position of the trapdoor is not saved correctly. 

I used the house near morthal.

After 3 Days i got the message to go to the new room, but the trapdoor was floating like 50m in the air, so i had to tcl to get there.

I did some console voodoo like setpos xyz that worked but unfortunately the new position won't be saved.

The door is placed with this code:

 

TirwinTopDoor.MoveTo(PlayerRef,0,0,-13)
TirwinDoorMarker.MoveTo(PlayerRef)
TirwinTopDoor.SetAngle(0,0,0)
TirwinDoorMarker.SetAngle(0,0,0)

 

The -13 is the vertical adjustment that keeps the door flush with the floor. Otherwise it's just moving the door object to the player's position. This MoveTo command is permanent in my game.

 

Was the trapdoor in the correct position when placed?

[Gristle]

17 hours ago, Mikufan39 said:

That's the problem I'm dealing with now, though I'm not sure if it's actually related to Tirwin's room, or if the culprit was the "Lust for Knowledge" quest, where I had to go to Apocrypha.
After those quests, I noticed that every time I visit a tavern or inn, that eerie, scary background music plays.

I think I found the problem. I'll fix in the next update. In the meantime, use "remove MUSDread" in the console. If that doesn't work, use "remove DLC2MUSDungeonApocrypha"

[Gristle]

16 hours ago, eflat01 said:

Anything in 3.6x has those beast letters and that unfinished quest. Once 3.7x on up those letters are removed and the unfinished quest is gone.

 

Note... I tend to be a completionist - if I see a quest in game/mod I do it, overly curious. The only reason I added creature SL animations was because I saw Evelyn, her fox Roxy and eventually the quest. Slowly built up beast fame with that fox, had no other mods to do so. SLSFC adds creature npcs all over the place. I slowly added other creature mods like Aroused Creatures and even VAR because of SLSFC.

 

The Quest was never complete, it only went so far.

1. It triggered on the globals SLSF_CurrentFamePCLocation_Beast in Whiterun and SLSFC_FE_Beastiality.
2. A timer is set and days later you'd get a warning letter delivered by a courier from the Jarl telling you to stop that behavior. 
3. You choose to continue the behavior you'll get arrested. (either visit the Jarl or gain a bounty)
4. The Captain of the guard takes you to the Jarl.
5. Offered the choice of imprisonment or show the Jarl by having sex with his dog.
6. The Jarl uses you then and proclaims you the Beast Whore of Whiterun.
7. Days latter you're summoned to the Jarl and he wants you to find the best breeding stallion in all of Skyrim by visiting multiple stables across Skyrim.
8. The Stage dialog and sex scene at the Whiterun  stable was complete - the others were not - so the quest stopped there.

So, once I updated my PC was stuck with the active quest The Beast Whore of Whiterun quest, along with the sub-task of finding the Jarl a Stallion. To get that off my active journal I put the old version back in my load, marked the task and quest complete, then updated to the new version again. The quest somehow still shows up in the completed side of my journal even though it no longer exists, does not hurt anything though.

 

Sorry about the incomplete quest. Because quest mods necessarily make edits to worldspaces and cells, and rely on actors, etc. I decided it wasn't a good idea to mix them with a dialogue mod - which is otherwise pretty conflict free. So, the Dibellan Whore quest made it into Fame Comments, but even that I plan to break out into a separate mod. The Beast Whore quest will probably get used in Balazar - since I still need to do the Whiterun Jarl quest.

[Gristle]

15 hours ago, Muntos said:

Hello guys. I'm having trouble with Tirwin. She refuses to follow me during the quests "Baring it All" and "The Naked Scholar." I have to constantly use the moveto player command to teleport her to my location. I’m not sure if I messed something up or if it's just a bug. I've already tried the resetai and disable/enable commands, but she still won't budge. Everything else in the quests seems to work fine. 

Tirwin's follow package only has two conditions. You can check (and set) them with the console:

 

To check:

 

getglobalvalue VAR_TirwinFollow        ; should be 1

getglobalvalue VAR_TirwinWait           ; should be 0

 

To set:

 

Set VAR_TirwinFollow to 1

Set VAR_TirwinWait to 0

 

If those are set right, something else is interfering.

[Muntos]

3 hours ago, Gristle said:

Tirwin's follow package only has two conditions. You can check (and set) them with the console:

 

To check:

 

getglobalvalue VAR_TirwinFollow        ; should be 1

getglobalvalue VAR_TirwinWait           ; should be 0

 

To set:

 

Set VAR_TirwinFollow to 1

Set VAR_TirwinWait to 0

 

If those are set right, something else is interfering.

 

I found out what the problem was and why Tirwin didn't want to follow me. I had installed the newest version of the mod and went to The Bannered Mare to talk to her about continuing our journey. We had a dialogue about the books, and I clicked that I wanted to find the book after VAR_Dremora (I think it was book number 23).

When I talked to her again, there was an option like "Shall we find another book?". However, the quest "Baring it All" had already started, and yet the option to start a different quest was still there. I didn't realize this at the time, so I clicked it, which caused her to stop following me.

To fix it, I loaded an older save and went back to The Bannered Mare. This time, I waited for the "Baring it All" quest to start on its own and avoided clicking the option to look for another book. At that moment, Tirwin started following me properly again.

[eflat01]

6 hours ago, Gristle said:

Sorry about the incomplete quest. Because quest mods necessarily make edits to worldspaces and cells, and rely on actors, etc. I decided it wasn't a good idea to mix them with a dialogue mod - which is otherwise pretty conflict free. So, the Dibellan Whore quest made it into Fame Comments, but even that I plan to break out into a separate mod. The Beast Whore quest will probably get used in Balazar - since I still need to do the Whiterun Jarl quest.

 

Yes, you mentioned the reason for removing it rather than going further before in it's thread.  I was not raising or saying it was an issue, I was just telling Killer905 about it since they'd  asked.

 

btw... I know I said it before but the Dibellan Whore quest is one of the best I come across.

[prometheusx]

7 hours ago, Gristle said:

The door is placed with this code:

 

TirwinTopDoor.MoveTo(PlayerRef,0,0,-13)
TirwinDoorMarker.MoveTo(PlayerRef)
TirwinTopDoor.SetAngle(0,0,0)
TirwinDoorMarker.SetAngle(0,0,0)

 

The -13 is the vertical adjustment that keeps the door flush with the floor. Otherwise it's just moving the door object to the player's position. This MoveTo command is permanent in my game.

 

Was the trapdoor in the correct position when placed?

Yes it was. The Position was around (10,10,-13).

This is the second room (dining hall) on the right side in front of the pillar / doors to the bakery.  

When i leave Tirwins room, i get spawned there, too.

I could change the position with Jaxonz Positioner Converter Remastered mod.

With this mod the position could be permanently saved.

I think the culprit could be the mod save unbaker https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/85565 which i am using..

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, prometheusx said:

Yes it was. The Position was around (10,10,-13).

This is the second room (dining hall) on the right side in front of the pillar / doors to the bakery.  

When i leave Tirwins room, i get spawned there, too.

I could change the position with Jaxonz Positioner Converter Remastered mod.

With this mod the position could be permanently saved.

I think the culprit could be the mod save unbaker https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/85565 which i am using..

 

 I figured Jaxonz Positioner would help - is easier than setting xyz coordinates. I use save unbaker once in a while to clean a save but remove it afterwards because it will screw up cells by respawning objects I'd removed or moved - then I have go back and straighten that out again.

 

As to why the trapdoor ended up in the air, all I may thing about is something had to be in the position you'd placed it and it landed on top? Is hard to tell with a hearthfire home because objects are enabled by a linked parent object - you enable the parent it enables the children - that's how they furnish the home without having to enable every piece of furniture individually.

[WaterRabbit]

13 hours ago, Gristle said:

I found the problem and will fix in the next bug fix update. If you can give more detail about any stages you had problems with, that would be helpful.

 

I think having to use the console to advance stages in the later quests was more due to have a high script load that was causing things not to complete.  For example, I couldn't get the Winterhold quest "Hitting the Books" to start at all.

 

I made it to the end of the main quests.  I couldn't get the house quest to complete and leave the journal, though I didn't see anything else to do with it.

 

So overall I didn't really run into too many issues. I will try it again with few script intensive mods running.

[AStoopidPerson]

im stuck on the mammoth quest, Tirwin doesnt start the animation with the mammoth even though i have the animation and have tested it, the animations work but she just isnt doing anything.

[tlrd]

I've found a compatibility issue for some reason having Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim bugs out the werebear. He'll start to transform and then a second after the transformation he turns into a werewolf. The animation and quest progress as fine however. I've no clue what the issue I loaded them both in xedit and couldn't find the issue. Other werebear's( the ones you can summon via the creature summoner form the MNC page) work just fine and its registered in the creature framework(someone was having similar issues but there solution didn't work) after uninstalling growl the werebear transformation sticks and the animation play just fine so its got to be something with GROWL just don't know what.

[killer905]

9 hours ago, AStoopidPerson said:

im stuck on the mammoth quest, Tirwin doesnt start the animation with the mammoth even though i have the animation and have tested it, the animations work but she just isnt doing anything.

It is worth enabling debug mode in sexlab, and then the console will display fail/error messages, etc.