WIP BETA: Diamond City Expansion - Red Seat Slavery

[Olmech]

22 hours ago, firebinder said:

I'd really like to avoid doing that. Is it working differently for other people? I mean it is possible that the problem is some kind of conflict with other mods. Or am I missing something?

 

Thats pretty much what happens every time. 

 

I just cheat the collar off and sell it right away so my character can dance for caps and keep her earnings. Still works nicely for that purpose.

[firebinder]

On 4/20/2025 at 12:42 AM, firebinder said:

Great mod, I've been using it for a year now. But one thing has bothered me - no matter what my character does, she ends up "falling behind". Now I wanted to find out why, so I started the quest fresh with a new character. She had no caps going into the quest, and did nothing to earn caps other than the dancing. No outside sources of income and she never even left the bar. I used the console to monitor  the DCE_CapsEarned and DCE_CapsDeficit variables before and after her shifts and after Mykola collected his cut. What I found was very confusing - but seems to show why my character was always falling behind:

 

Day 1 Actual Earnings were 174 caps. DCE_CapsEarned claimed 195 caps. Mykola took  all, and afterwards DCE_CapsDeficit was 17 caps.

Day 2 Actual Earnings were 241 caps. DCE_CapsEarned claimed 250 caps. Mykola took  all, and afterwards DCE_CapsDeficit was 114 caps !!!

Day 3 Actual Earnings were 301 caps. DCE_CapsEarned claimed 311 caps. Mykola took  all, and afterwards DCE_CapsDeficit was 209 caps !!!!

 

Further each day when she stopped dancing I was getting a message on screen "No Simple Cheating with Caps" and -5 caps. I had not cheated, simple or otherwise so I'm not sure what this was about, or if it is connected to the daily tally.

 

So what is going on here? Am I looking at the correct relevant variables? Is this some kind of new math? Is there something else I should be doing that I am not?

I think I  figured out the problem. I think. It was being caused by a conflict with the caps stashing mod I was using. I  was using an old mod called "Store Caps in Containers", and due to the scripts it used to store those caps it was messing up how RSS calculated your earnings and the amount that Mykola was going to expect from you. Basically some caps were getting counted twice. ("Store Caps in Containers" was also where that "No Simple Cheating with Caps" message came from.)

 

So I uninstalled "Store Caps in Containers" and started the RSS quest fresh. This time it behaved more like I was expecting; My character dances and gives all her caps to Mykola, and then has no deficit at the end of the day. Mykola even let her keep a few caps. Anyway, I'm going to try "Stash Those Caps" since that was the one jbezorg recommended.

[Melissa Gorka]

Is this mod currently working with NG?

 

P.S.: Also, what does CWSS do and could BYOP be integrated likewise?

Edited April 27, 2025 by Melissa Gorka

[Melissa Gorka]

On 4/10/2024 at 1:17 AM, jbezorg said:

You have to find a way to remove the collar in the limited time you have outside of the Red Seat District.

 

I managed to earn enough caps outside the Red Seat District to pay Hacker in the Dugout Inn to remove the shock collar. However, that had no effect on the quest and the dialogue with Mykola. Am I missing something or does the mod not (yet) check whether the shock collar was removed and have the characters react accordingly?

 

Edit: After I dropped the shock collar, the quest actually registered the progress and completed the open task and the door to the backstage area closed. However, the quest itself was not completed (yet?) and there was still noch response/new dialogue from the boss or Mykola. If I am still missing something any advice would be appreciated! 

Edited May 2, 2025 by Melissa Gorka

[Olmech]

8 hours ago, Melissa Gorka said:

 

I managed to earn enough caps outside the Red Seat District to pay Hacker in the Dugout Inn to remove the shock collar. However, that had no effect on the quest and the dialogue with Mykola. Am I missing something or does the mod not (yet) check whether the shock collar was removed and have the characters react accordingly?

 

Edit: After I dropped the shock collar, the quest actually registered the progress and completed the open task and the door to the backstage area closed. However, the quest itself was not completed (yet?) and there was still noch response/new dialogue from the boss or Mykola. If I am still missing something any advice would be appreciated! 

 

Just sell the collar after getting it off. That will complete quest and you can still dance for caps. You just get to keep all the caps after that.

[jbezorg]

On 4/27/2025 at 5:34 AM, Melissa Gorka said:

Is this mod currently working with NG?

 

P.S.: Also, what does CWSS do and could BYOP be integrated likewise?

CWSS just replaces some of the bathroom fixtures in DCE for water access for survival mods. 

[jbezorg]

On 4/20/2025 at 9:52 PM, firebinder said:

Prostitution doesn't seem to solve the issue. 

 

Day 4 Actual earnings from dancing were 394 caps. DCE_CapsEarned claimed 398 caps. Mykola took all and afterwards DCE_CapsDeficit was 294 caps.

Mykola gave her the "Your screwing up" dialog, so she used SEU to turn a couple of tricks and earned an additional 480 caps.

Day 5 Actual earnings from dancing were 441 caps - so with the previous day's prostitution her actual total should be 921 caps. DCE_CapsEarned was 926. Mykola took all, but afterwards DCE_CapsDeficit still went up to 363 caps. 

 

As I said - no matter what she does she just gets deeper in trouble. It seems impossible to avoid the "bad end" unless one does some serious (and not simple) cheating such as using the console to adjust the DCE_CapsDeficit variable.  I'd really like to avoid doing that. Is it working differently for other people? I mean it is possible that the problem is some kind of conflict with other mods. Or am I missing something?

ALL caps earned while in the Red Seat District will get taken from you.

ALL caps made outside the Red Seat District, you keep. Unless you fall into debt. Then those caps will also be taken from you. You can stash them in your locker for a while but if you leave, they may get stolen.

If you never question or ask for anything, then the bad end won't happen. This is the behavior that trapped the other dancers in the RSD.

Make the most of what limited time you have outside the RSD.  Don't fall too far behind into debt

Edited May 4, 2025 by jbezorg

[firebinder]

On 5/4/2025 at 7:01 PM, jbezorg said:

ALL caps earned while in the Red Seat District will get taken from you.

ALL caps made outside the Red Seat District, you keep. Unless you fall into debt. Then those caps will also be taken from you. You can stash them in your locker for a while but if you leave, they may get stolen.

If you never question or ask for anything, then the bad end won't happen. This is the behavior that trapped the other dancers in the RSD.

Make the most of what limited time you have outside the RSD.  Don't fall too far behind into debt

Okay I'm still seeing something not right.

 

The rss_main dce_caps_earned variable does correctly reflect all the caps earned while in the Red Seat District, and does not include any caps earned outside the District.

But even though my character gives Mykola every last cap earned inside the District (from all sources, dancing, sex, whatever) she still accumulates a debt. 

 

With a new first level character entering this quest:

When "hired" she had 214 caps in her pockets which were all taken

 

After her first shift dancing had earned 290 caps (170 dancing, 120 from sex). Mykola took 276 caps leaving her with 14. DCE_capscollected showed 490, and DCE_capsdeficit showed 0.  So far so good, this looked right.

 

After her second shift dancing she had earned 543 caps (243 dancing and 300 from sex). Mykola took all of it leaving her none. DCE_capscollected correctly showed 1033, BUT DCE_capsdeficit showed 73. It really should have been 0 since she had not skimmed anything - so I cannot understand where the deficit came from.

 

After her third shift dancing she had another 626 caps (326 from dancing, 300 from sex). She also had another 100 caps on her that had been earned outside not only the District, but in fact outside the city. DCE_Capsearned correctly showed only 626. Mykola took all 726 caps, and left her with nothing. Again DCE_Capscollected correctly showed 1759 caps, BUT DCE_caps deficit still showed 42.  Mykola had collected MORE than she earned, and More than what she had earned plus the bogus deficit from the day before but she still was in debt, and I still do not understand where the debt is coming from.

 

So is it supposed to work like that? I mean mob bosses are not known for fair play and I certainly could see Mykola demanding an extra 70 caps or so above and beyond what was earned in the District. 

 

[ectrshgpp]

Hi,

I would like to know the status of this mod. It it the definitive version or still development to come ?

Thank you for this mod.

 

 

[jbezorg]

On 5/8/2025 at 11:57 PM, firebinder said:

Okay I'm still seeing something not right.

 

The rss_main dce_caps_earned variable does correctly reflect all the caps earned while in the Red Seat District, and does not include any caps earned outside the District.

But even though my character gives Mykola every last cap earned inside the District (from all sources, dancing, sex, whatever) she still accumulates a debt. 

 

With a new first level character entering this quest:

When "hired" she had 214 caps in her pockets which were all taken

 

After her first shift dancing had earned 290 caps (170 dancing, 120 from sex). Mykola took 276 caps leaving her with 14. DCE_capscollected showed 490, and DCE_capsdeficit showed 0.  So far so good, this looked right.

 

After her second shift dancing she had earned 543 caps (243 dancing and 300 from sex). Mykola took all of it leaving her none. DCE_capscollected correctly showed 1033, BUT DCE_capsdeficit showed 73. It really should have been 0 since she had not skimmed anything - so I cannot understand where the deficit came from.

 

After her third shift dancing she had another 626 caps (326 from dancing, 300 from sex). She also had another 100 caps on her that had been earned outside not only the District, but in fact outside the city. DCE_Capsearned correctly showed only 626. Mykola took all 726 caps, and left her with nothing. Again DCE_Capscollected correctly showed 1759 caps, BUT DCE_caps deficit still showed 42.  Mykola had collected MORE than she earned, and More than what she had earned plus the bogus deficit from the day before but she still was in debt, and I still do not understand where the debt is coming from.

 

So is it supposed to work like that? I mean mob bosses are not known for fair play and I certainly could see Mykola demanding an extra 70 caps or so above and beyond what was earned in the District. 

 

 

There is an array that keeps track of the daily total for the past 30 days. There is also a simple earnings projection calculation going on. The more you earn, the higher average you need to maintain. Your interactions with Mykola, and if you ask for harassment protection within the RSD, could drive the percentage cut to well over 100%. "Minimum Daily Caps" in MCM should show the total of you need to earn. Failing to earn a Minimum Daily Caps quota will roll the balance onto the next day. IIRC, there is also an interest charge. 

Once the total earnings become large enough, you do begin to get discounts.

You're right. It is designed to be unfair and also force the player outside the RSD to earn caps and free themselves.

Edited May 11, 2025 by jbezorg

[jbezorg]

On 5/9/2025 at 3:30 PM, ectrshgpp said:

Hi,

I would like to know the status of this mod. It it the definitive version or still development to come ?

Thank you for this mod.

 

 

Psudo definitive version mainly because I'm back to having no free time because of work.

[Melissa Gorka]

On 5/11/2025 at 2:15 AM, jbezorg said:

 

There is an array that keeps track of the daily total for the past 30 days. There is also a simple earnings projection calculation going on. The more you earn, the higher average you need to maintain. Your interactions with Mykola, and if you ask for harassment protection within the RSD, could drive the percentage cut to well over 100%. "Minimum Daily Caps" in MCM should show the total of you need to earn. Failing to earn a Minimum Daily Caps quota will roll the balance onto the next day. IIRC, there is also an interest charge. 

Once the total earnings become large enough, you do begin to get discounts.

You're right. It is designed to be unfair and also force the player outside the RSD to earn caps and free themselves.

 

Now this explains nicely why I was falling behind despite earning considerably more than the 100 caps required according to the note. I was very enthusiastic at the first day and made ~1200 caps in the Red Seat District. The next day, I made "only" ~900 caps and on the third day ~600 caps in the RSD. Still much more than the 100 caps, but the trend was going down and after the rain of caps of day 1, they expected more. That's indeed reasonable. Good thing I earned enough caps outside RSD by the end of day 4 to have my collar removed by Johnny Hacker at the Dugout Inn after I skipped my shift in the morning because I was too annoyed by them not appreciating my effort and earnings 😅

[firebinder]

On 5/10/2025 at 8:15 PM, jbezorg said:

 

There is an array that keeps track of the daily total for the past 30 days. There is also a simple earnings projection calculation going on. The more you earn, the higher average you need to maintain. Your interactions with Mykola, and if you ask for harassment protection within the RSD, could drive the percentage cut to well over 100%. "Minimum Daily Caps" in MCM should show the total of you need to earn. Failing to earn a Minimum Daily Caps quota will roll the balance onto the next day. IIRC, there is also an interest charge. 

Once the total earnings become large enough, you do begin to get discounts.

You're right. It is designed to be unfair and also force the player outside the RSD to earn caps and free themselves.

Okay  got it. But DCE_CapsEarned should still not show caps earned outside the Red Seat District, right? So I just had a case where my character was selling herself outside the Red Seat District - in fact outside Diamond City - via SEU. She made 165 caps, but DCE_CapsEarned picked it up. Now she also did some sex work a bit earlier that was NOT  picked  up in DCE_CapsEarned, but there was a CTD game exit and reload between these events, so perhaps a script got messed up?

[Nea_Bessy]

On 4/10/2024 at 7:17 AM, jbezorg said:

 

• Some speech challenges  will change when deep in debt. Some can result in a bad end. No, I'm not telling. To quote Sheogorath. "Why ruin the surprise"

 

This is just bullying, but what if I'm at a dead end?

Can you give a simple instruction so that a person can understand that they are doing everything right and just need to continue? I've been making money for a few days. Mikola takes them away... There are no new dialogues with him, there are no dialogues with girls either,

What should I do? Or is the meaning of the quest to endlessly spin on a pole?

Give some kind of instruction eventually. I understand that may be this is such a puzzle, BUT what if I just have something broken and I'm just walking in circles?
do you specify at least some reference points, Events that, if they do not occur, then something is broken

How can I see how much I owe Mikola?

How much does he charge to protect me from my harassers? There is no amount in the dialog.

How do I find out the balance?

Edited May 15, 2025 by Nea_Bessy

[Nea_Bessy]

I've been tormented by this mod for a few days, It's just some kind of mockery, I really liked the opportunity to earn money on the pole, but I am infuriated by the crooked system of relationships with Mikola, There is nothing at all clear how it works, In the end, I just have to spin and spin. How could that be interesting?Is it possible to make a version with only a pole without all these misunderstandings with Mikola?

[Nea_Bessy]

In the end, I found a simple solution, approached Mikola with the BDH dialog mode activated, and he himself took off my collar. Then, through SEU, I lured him into the greenhouse and tried to kill him, but nothing happened. . He's immortal, then the "DISABLE" helped.,

The opportunity to work on a pole remains,

I really hope that someday the author will bring this mod to a working state.,

Edited May 17, 2025 by Nea_Bessy

[Nea_Bessy]

There is another solution., Through the Liga, I make Mikola my follower, Then I immediately fire him, choosing (Live in your house),

After that, I can wander around the Commonwealth, Every day in the interval from 12am to 01pm I call him to me and he takes my money, while remaining satisfied.

Edited May 18, 2025 by Nea_Bessy

[jbezorg]

On 5/14/2025 at 8:41 PM, Nea_Bessy said:

Can you give a simple instruction so that a person can understand that they are doing everything right and just need to continue? I've been making money for a few days. Mikola takes them away... There are no new dialogues with him, there are no dialogues with girls either,

A few post previous I went into details. In short, every cap you make in the RSD, Mikola keeps. You have to leave RSD and make caps out there. Depending on dialog choices you can end up owing more than you make in the RSD.

You are dealing with a Mob Boss and his enforcer. The system isn't fair. It can be downright oppressive. If you ask for something you will pay for it.

[Nea_Bessy]

1 hour ago, jbezorg said:

A few post previous I went into details. In short, every cap you make in the RSD, Mikola keeps. You have to leave RSD and make caps out there. Depending on dialog choices you can end up owing more than you make in the RSD.

You are dealing with a Mob Boss and his enforcer. The system isn't fair. It can be downright oppressive. If you ask for something you will pay for it.

 

It's not even that simple there.

I've been living in this game for many days now and I'm just amazed at what you've created, how you could program such situations. what do I find myself in here?

I get the feeling that a real person is playing with me.

The "badends" are different all the time. Some are hopeless... There is a way out of some,,,,, Awesome mod!!!!!

[Nea_Bessy]

2 hours ago, jbezorg said:

A few post previous I went into details. In short, every cap you make in the RSD, Mikola keeps. You have to leave RSD and make caps out there. Depending on dialog choices you can end up owing more than you make in the RSD.

You are dealing with a Mob Boss and his enforcer. The system isn't fair. It can be downright oppressive. If you ask for something you will pay for it.

I just got out of this situation.... Mikola punished me and I ended up without my things. All the money I earned through SEUS in DC was immediately debited from me. Everyone insulted me. The guards raped me.... Sometimes, some guards would have a dialogue in which they would say that I could get free if I pleased the boss. Or them..... As a result, after a few days, the boss forgave me. They put the collar back on me, which I had taken off earlier... I can work on a pole again and earn money.

[Ixmore]

On 5/10/2025 at 5:15 PM, jbezorg said:

"Minimum Daily Caps" in MCM should show the total of you need to earn. Failing to earn a Minimum Daily Caps quota will roll the balance onto the next day. IIRC, there is also an interest charge. 

 

Speaking of how do what version of MCN do I need to see the Read Seat slavery mods menu? I tried rolling back to the 1.10.163 version and first used the current build, but it's menu it not showing up.

Edited May 20, 2025 by Ixmore

[Nea_Bessy]

2 hours ago, Ixmore said:

 

Speaking of how do what version of MCN do I need to see the Read Seat slavery mods menu? I tried rolling back to the 1.10.163 version and first used the current build, but it's menu it not showing up.

 

 

 

On 5/11/2025 at 8:15 AM, jbezorg said:

"Minimum Daily Caps" in MCM should show the total of you need to earn. 

 

What kind of MCM menu are we talking about?
I don't see either the MCM menu or the settings INI file.
Do they actually exist?

 

I'm using the version of the mod that is available at the main link.  

Maybe there is some other version?

Edited May 20, 2025 by Nea_Bessy

[Ixmore]

1 minute ago, Nea_Bessy said:

I don't see either the MCM menu or the settings INI file.
Do they actually exist?

it exists in the creation kit, it was mentioned in the comments a couple times, and the author did plan for it to be a thing.

[Nea_Bessy]

19 minutes ago, Ixmore said:

it exists in the creation kit, it was mentioned in the comments a couple times, and the author did plan for it to be a thing.

I reviewed the plugin both through the Creation Kit and through FO$EdiT......

THERE IS NO MCM menu. !!!!!


 

On 5/9/2025 at 11:57 AM, firebinder said:

DCE_capscollected correctly showed 1033, BUT DCE_capsdeficit showed 73.

 

What are you talking about?????? Where and how do you watch it?????


I get the impression that you have some other version of the mod... Not the one that is laid out on the main

[Ixmore]

8 minutes ago, Nea_Bessy said:

I reviewed the plugin both through the Creation Kit and through FO$EdiT......

THERE IS NO MCM menu. !!!!!

 In the object window under quest, search for RSS and there is an RSS_MCM quest and a script for it as well,