wardrake Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 and about breast feeding animation- well, maybe not animation... but what i can think of is that i saw a mod that adds baby wrapped in linen as part of clothing, hanged around character's breast ,sucking tits. but if that happens as script it will mess up the mod... all I can think of is importing hentai lactation add-on mod into this... It might have been this http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27469/?, however the mod no longer has the suckling infant.
eatwhatever Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 and about breast feeding animation- well, maybe not animation... but what i can think of is that i saw a mod that adds baby wrapped in linen as part of clothing, hanged around character's breast ,sucking tits. but if that happens as script it will mess up the mod... all I can think of is importing hentai lactation add-on mod into this... It might have been this http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27469/?, however the mod no longer has the suckling infant. hmm, so we have to give up this "suckling infant" idea. Option B, Triggering lactation event from hentai lactation and add baby bottle, so storing milks for baby. well usually we have to feed by our own hands for normal baby, but since we don't have such an option and... who knows, dragonborn's baby can drink milk from bottle by himself lol.
eatwhatever Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 Oh the wait is killing me mitz : O sorry but i guess you have to wait till next week
Slorm Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 On the gold discussion, I think a better approach would be a one off payment to the Riften Orphanage for each child (say 1000 for now) with a bounty added to each hold if it's not paid. Having a child should have a consequence and most low level dungeons will earn a 1000 gold hell no! just see the currency, a cabbage you sell at market is about 1 gold. lets say 1 gold is about 1$ and you have to pay 1000$ per for single child? lets say you are pregnant with 3 baby, and something happened, you got another 3. this means you have to pay about 6k gold per week, 24,000 gold per month- which won't be possible to pay in normal method. think, daedric artifacts costs lesser then 1k gold! this is why I'm keep saying its horrible idea to try something about baby with golds. and plus what is the reason we trying to dump our babies??? its pretty awful thoughts you guys know? why trying to make method "dumping baby" or "do away baby"? its so inhuman,immoral what a horrible thought... You guys must remind what you guys are speaking of if you don't want baby in your inventory, at least place them on the bed of some1's house. Bethesda didn't set children as immortal character without specific reason. If you don't want to do that either, just dump them in distress. which would be very sad for a baby. I wrote one off payment not weekly and in any case if you have a child and then want to go off adventuring why should you not pay for its upkeep and someone to look after it? Sounds better than just dumping it or selling it to Belethor
Slorm Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 Lots snipped to save space ... You seem to be comparing rl prices (in the US I assume) to a fantasy game, you can easily make a 1000 gold doing a low level adventure if you loot everything. As to the morality in rl would you take a baby on a dangerous adventure in which it's quite possible both you and it could be killed, raped maimed or tortured. I would imagine Falmer would enjoy eating a human baby. I would suggest that the only moral choice would be to leave it in someones care. Anyway it's academic as its down to Mitz to decide and in any case if this was rl we would all be in prison for mass murder or war crimes so the issue wouldn't arise. Let's just agree to disagree on this one
defiled Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 I don't think we should "enforce morality" to a fantasy RPG video game to begin with. It's fun because you can do whatever you want that is within the game's code, without actually affecting your real life. Whether you want to roleplay as an irresponsible prostitute mother that dumps her children if she gets preggo or being a loving single mother that takes care the baby of a bandit that raped her long ago, it's up to the player. You can't force other people to enjoy taking care of virtual children as much as I can't force you to enjoy dumping virtual children. It would be great if there is an option: 1. Abit of daily hassle and few daily-cost (3 gold + 2 gold-per-child a day considering the cheap food cost in Skyrim?) if you choose to take care of the children 2. Put it in orphanage at the cost of 1.000 gold donation. I think the price fits it. 3. You can get back your child from orphanage if you want, but no money will be returned. If you want to return it to orphanage, you have to pay again. And yes, "morality-wise" it is not wise to bring your children to your dangerous adventure. Sneaking into a bandit hideout, getting spotted because your baby cries.. I dunno, that sounds way too funny, because no mother with a right mind would ever sneak into bandit hideouts (assuming she's not giving birth inside the hideout), battling draugrs that can easily take out an expedition party, or even get into a brawl while carrying her baby lol At least putting the "children" in the Orphanage and leaving a big sum of money for the orphanage at the same time still have some "morality" in it, compared to dumping the children on street, carrying the children while battling the stormcloaks, or find another mean to get rid of it. At least it's an immersive way to free you from the baby. Players can always use console command to cast the baby into the oblivion anyways. If you compare it to daedric artifact prices, even learning few spells can be alot more expensive than daedric artifacts. If your level is high enough, a single training can costs alot more than daedric artifacts. The potions that I brew, and the knives that I enchant could give me alot more money than those artifacts. Those artifacts doesn't makes you rich, killing the emperor does. And I don't think you can bring Rapelay case here, it's 2 different thing, not to mention Rapelay's case is highly stupid too. If you want to bring "morality in virtual worlds" by using Rapelay case as example, why did you mention it here and not Sanguine Debauchery or other slavery mods? I can easily "replicate" similar kind of role-play of Rapelay's content with any slavery mod in Skyrim. Vanilla game provides means to stalk via sneak skills, and to drug using pickpocket skills and paralyze poisons, then the slavery mod do the rest.
defiled Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 I'm kind of freaked out because there were many who agrees with this "do away" thing. Because it is a game, duh? They're not real, and generally people play games because we enjoy it, not because of virtual responsibilities. As much as I like to immerse myself in Skyrim with various realism mods like R&D, I want my game to be enjoyable too, and I'm sure most of the people who plays Skyrim plays it for the adventure roleplay. It's only natural people do not want something that is permanently punishing or annoying to do when you're adventuring, while keeping things realistic. God knows how many times I try to remove the bugged Amulet of Talos from Vanilla Game back then before I learnt how to use the console commands.. (edit)to add: It's not like people want to dump their real children just because they want to 'dump' their virtual children in an adventure game. I don't even see a point why you want to keep a baby with you when doing some dungeon raids. It's not fun, not realistic, and not immersive.
defiled Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 I don't think paying a huge sums of money to put a baby in an orphanage because you want to raid ancient tombs full of zombies can stimulate and/or gives you pleasures.. ...but who knows, there are different kinds of people after all! Also, same goes for the "slavery", do you not think "dumping child" have not existed for so long in human literature?There are more story, both for adult and children, that are started with the character being either do not have parents, dumped, adopted, or raised in orphanage compared to slavery, as far as I know. Some old literature even tells story that involves "sacrificing your child to the mountain god/demon/etc" scenario and those stories existed ages ago even before my grandma's parents starts dating each other. ------------ Following your line of thinking, after giving birth for several children and carrying it all around through all dungeons, it should make real people think hunting wolves while carrying babies gives you pleasure. If that sounds stupid to you, yeah, that is how I think what you just said is like. Game does NOT affect life the way you described. Your arguments are basically the same as that "Video game causes violence" argument spread by ignorant medias looking for sensation. Lots of people here agrees to have a feature to part with the baby whether permanently or not because Skyrim is an Adventure Role-Playing Game set in a fantasy world full of chaos, not because of their "sense of morals." It is not "The Sims" for God's sake. That one doesn't have dragons, bandits, and wolves roaming the land and have like, a totally different genre and gameplay. ---------- And don't bring Milgram Experiment here. What you want to convey through that is not even closely related to the matter, nor any psychological elements that associate it. Your story is not even "complete" and snipped to your convenience. In Milgram Experiment, the test subjects are made to think that they are PROMPTED to do it, they are not responsible for the kill, and have no other choice than continue unless they have denied to continue over the given number of "denies" attempts. If they try to deny, they will be told to continue and have no other choice than to do so unless they have reached the "deny" limit. Although more than half (around 65%) is willing to press until it reaches the final voltage, most of the test subjects feels uneasy and guilty while keeps continuing. ALL of the participants at one point paused and questions the purpose of the experiment. Milgram Experiment is to proof of human's obedience towards something that have a bigger power, not about "morality" that were spoken of in this thread. ------------- To add:"Why can't adjust game-like situation on carrying around baby, while you can adjust game-like situation on prices?" Can you actually code/animate such things for this mod, that would not conflict or bugged with anything?If you can, go ahead, talk to Milz so we can have a working animation for actually caring the baby, and maybe put it at home when you're raiding dungeons etc. I dunno, you're talking about these things as if those are as easy as flipping your hands. "Why do we have to adjust realistic situation about carrying around baby while there can be serious morale issue?" This mod is aimed to be "realistic" and I don't see any moral issues with having your baby taken care in the orphanage because you're a war veteran busy fighting for the emperor, or, maybe, saving the world from dragons. Stop bringing unrelated issues to this.I don't see the relation with the Elin mods being able to be used for lewd stuffs. This mods simulates how is it like to be a woman, not to do lewd things with something that appears to be underaged.
defiled Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 ^ edited last post to answer your tripled post please refrain from double/tripleposting, edit your last post if you have something to add. By your logic, explain it please. I already did. Did you read or did you fail to comprehend? Here, I'll help you by quoting my own post: I don't think paying a huge sums of money to put a baby in an orphanage because you want to raid ancient tombs full of zombies can stimulate and/or gives you pleasures.. Or you can also refer to Milgram Experiment's results: Although more than half (around 65%) is willing to press until it reaches the final voltage, most of the test subjects feels uneasy and guilty while keeps continuing. ALL of the participants at one point paused and questions the purpose of the experiment. Most humans have sense of morality embedded inside themselves. Just because a single, unmandatory mod of a video game, that is hosted in an adult modding community, I don't think they will act like that when they are dealing with the real thing. You may try to refer to things like "Games causes kids to do the unthinkable", but again, look at the statistics; How many percentage of video gamers become really violent and unleashes it in an incident like shootouts, compared to the number of the gamers playing it? Heck, just do an academic poll, I bet majority of gamer doesn't even have the balls to shoot real people or rape real girl. You're being ignorant if you believe video games makes people do what they do in video games. --- Adding things:It is unrelated with Elin and COTS case, because: 1. This mod does not involve sex with characters that appears underage 2. This mod does not involve sex with characters that appears underage 3. This mod does not involve sex with characters that appears underage Elin and COTS case is caused by the fact both character looks child-like, have nude meshes as default (which means it is NSFW mod by default), and is player-controllable, which means can be used together with any other mods here to make a sex scene with characters that looks underaged easily, just by swapping mods. Seriously, it's not even close.
jfraser Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 Please take the debate elsewhere. Mitz will figure it out. Thanks.
defiled Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 Please take the debate elsewhere. Mitz will figure it out. Thanks. Thanks for the reminder, sorry for all the fuss, I'll refrain from 'extending' it
eatwhatever Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 Due to the large sum of text flood, I'll erase posts. Sorry for those who's been disturbed. And defiled, I'd like to talk about the matter with you personally. Tell me the chatting program you prefer, I'll install it and join the channel. Edit: seeing you are logged off, tell me the time you are available and method of discussion. I'll tell you the real reason why I've kept this debate like few hour, which will some-how explain you about this mess. Can't write it here for some reason. Need to be private.
gaggedgirl123 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Argh the wait is killing me! I already have a nice MO profile called "Female Immersion" ready, just waiting for Beeing Female to be released! But take your time though. I know you put lots of effort into it, and I wouldn'T want to rush you.
IDontKnowAnymore Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Finally read through this thread! Can't wait for the new version, procreation isn't as good as this.
Darkone82 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for this mod mate. Got a couple of questions for you regarding this mod: Do you really need both Estrus Charus and Estrus For Skyrim to make Being Female function properly? If there is a work around were I dont have to use EstrusForSkyrim I would be emensly gratefull. I got 182 mods that works just fine except that one that gives me CTD and computer freeze. And again Thanks for a great mod.
nogojoe Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for this mod mate. Got a couple of questions for you regarding this mod: Do you really need both Estrus Charus and Estrus For Skyrim to make Being Female function properly? If there is a work around were I dont have to use EstrusForSkyrim I would be emensly gratefull. I got 182 mods that works just fine except that one that gives me CTD and computer freeze. And again Thanks for a great mod. Estrus is not a requirement. Actually, it is the opposite. They cause instability because they both use the belly node. The only thing you need from that download page is the body, not estrus. I'm not sure what body you use regularly, but that one is for UNPB. There also exist bodies for CBBE and 7base that are compatible. All it needs is a belly node.
milzschnitte Posted March 31, 2014 Author Posted March 31, 2014 I will use this for a short info True - the current version isn't compatible with Estrus Chaurus. The next version will be more compatible with Estrus Chaurus. When you are pregnant by en charus, beeing female will pause it's curent state (and no body scaling anymore).. and when the pregnancy is done, beeing female will continue. Thanks to jbezorg.
nogojoe Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I will use this for a short info True - the current version isn't compatible with Estrus Chaurus. The next version will be more compatible with Estrus Chaurus. When you are pregnant by en charus, beeing female will pause it's curent state (and no body scaling anymore).. and when the pregnancy is done, beeing female will continue. Thanks to jbezorg. Great info! I hadn't even hoped that was possible. I tip my hat to you!
Molevalence Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Does this mod have compatibility issues with custom races? I am using a custom Kahjiit/human hybrid. I only ask because the breast growth works fine for me I just have no belly growth. I read a few pages back saying there is a update coming soon so maybe that will fix my small issue. Any thoughts though always helps.
Darkone82 Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 Thanks for this mod mate. Got a couple of questions for you regarding this mod: Do you really need both Estrus Charus and Estrus For Skyrim to make Being Female function properly? If there is a work around were I dont have to use EstrusForSkyrim I would be emensly gratefull. I got 182 mods that works just fine except that one that gives me CTD and computer freeze. And again Thanks for a great mod. Estrus is not a requirement. Actually, it is the opposite. They cause instability because they both use the belly node. The only thing you need from that download page is the body, not estrus. I'm not sure what body you use regularly, but that one is for UNPB. There also exist bodies for CBBE and 7base that are compatible. All it needs is a belly node. Thank you sir for pointing that one out. Did some test runs after disabling EstrusForSkyrim (never gonna use that one again) and now it works as intended. I use CBBE body mod actually, used to be ADEC but I couldnt make that one compatible with pregnancy. I also learned today that if you use muscle texture for the body your belly wont grow when you get pregnant. Or am I doing something wrong again? Anyhow thanks for the response mate.
Molevalence Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 I tried this mod out with a regular race and the belly expands which leads me to believe that the belly for my custom race is not compatible or I must be missing something. Your muscle texture though might help. Thank you for that idea. Thanks for this mod mate. Got a couple of questions for you regarding this mod: Do you really need both Estrus Charus and Estrus For Skyrim to make Being Female function properly? If there is a work around were I dont have to use EstrusForSkyrim I would be emensly gratefull. I got 182 mods that works just fine except that one that gives me CTD and computer freeze. And again Thanks for a great mod. Estrus is not a requirement. Actually, it is the opposite. They cause instability because they both use the belly node. The only thing you need from that download page is the body, not estrus. I'm not sure what body you use regularly, but that one is for UNPB. There also exist bodies for CBBE and 7base that are compatible. All it needs is a belly node. Thank you sir for pointing that one out. Did some test runs after disabling EstrusForSkyrim (never gonna use that one again) and now it works as intended. I use CBBE body mod actually, used to be ADEC but I couldnt make that one compatible with pregnancy. I also learned today that if you use muscle texture for the body your belly wont grow when you get pregnant. Or am I doing something wrong again? Anyhow thanks for the response mate.
gaggedgirl123 Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Does this mod have compatibility issues with custom races? I am using a custom Kahjiit/human hybrid. I only ask because the breast growth works fine for me I just have no belly growth. I read a few pages back saying there is a update coming soon so maybe that will fix my small issue. Any thoughts though always helps. Actually, if your custom race is also using XP32's skeleton it should work. Also, I had that problem too: when you build the body in Bodyslide, you need to set the "bigbelly" to around 50%. NOT the belly slider, I repeat, NOT the belly slider. I made that mistake too and had the same problem. If you're using UNP though, I can't really help you. Also, sorry for late answer
Molevalence Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Ah so its not compatible with UNP? I use the sevenbase body. Its strange cause the pregnant belly works for regular races in game. I tried it with a Breton with the sevenbase and it worked fine. I'll reinstall the XP32 skeleton and see if that fixes it. Thank you for the response. Update: Reinstalled the skeleton and no luck on the belly. Going to try a few other things. Update: The mods works for UNP and all the regular races in the game. (Woot!) Now I know it has something to do with my custom race. (Boo!) Just need to figure out what. Does this mod have compatibility issues with custom races? I am using a custom Kahjiit/human hybrid. I only ask because the breast growth works fine for me I just have no belly growth. I read a few pages back saying there is a update coming soon so maybe that will fix my small issue. Any thoughts though always helps. Actually, if your custom race is also using XP32's skeleton it should work. Also, I had that problem too: when you build the body in Bodyslide, you need to set the "bigbelly" to around 50%. NOT the belly slider, I repeat, NOT the belly slider. I made that mistake too and had the same problem. If you're using UNP though, I can't really help you. Also, sorry for late answer
tjn67 Posted April 2, 2014 Posted April 2, 2014 Just checking -- should this mod be producing actual children? (I've searched the thread and so far it seems that it should) If so, then I've got a problem because I've had several children "born" already but none are in sight. Any ideas?
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