PAF Fixes and Addons

[Dg75]

2 hours ago, emilHand said:

 

Back again to continue to try and troubleshoot and I think what you stated here is ultimately my issue, PFA just refuses to initialize. Nothing I can do about it since VR is stuck on an older version. Do you maintain older versions of PFA? Would it require an older version of Comment Manager as well? It worked in VR up until a point and I'm really not sure which version that was. Sorry if its a hassle. 

What happened to :

 "I had to manually set campfire to a late load order and everything is now functioning normally together."

 

their was some posts many pages back regarding it. I don't know what works on VR, except I know crosshair refs dont work, past that

Its probably the sleep invents not working, except all version of pfa since day one used this same initialization method.

when you sleep in vr and when getting up did you ever get this "Paf Fixes and Addons initialized!"

Can you even sleep in VR ?

Do you have the correct BEES for VR ?

 

Also do note that Pfa initialization is really only for commentary, and pfa related tracking! It has nothing to do with Pee and Fart functioning!

as in even pfa is not been initialized, your bladder and bowl states would still increase, and pfa does not alter basic functionality.

Pee and fart has Start Game enabled quests that auto start upon installing, and registers single chains of 

updates to start counting pressure states.

the hot key or any method you use to relieve would still function as normal even if pfa was in an un-initialized state.

So what exactly isn't working ?

 

 

Edited April 29, 2025 by Dg75

[emilHand]

45 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

What happened to :

 "I had to manually set campfire to a late load order and everything is now functioning normally together."

 

their was some posts many pages back regarding it. I don't know what works on VR, except I know crosshair refs dont work, past that

Its probably the sleep invents not working, except all version of pfa since day one used this same initialization method.

when you sleep in vr and when getting up did you ever get this "Paf Fixes and Addons initialized!"

Can you even sleep in VR ?

Do you have the correct BEES for VR ?

 

Also do note that Pfa initialization is really only for commentary, and pfa related tracking! It has nothing to do with Pee and Fart functioning!

as in even pfa is not been initialized, your bladder and bowl states would still increase, and pfa does not alter basic functionality.

Pee and fart has Start Game enabled quests that auto start upon installing, and registers single chains of 

updates to start counting pressure states.

the hot key or any method you use to relieve would still function as normal even if pfa was in an un-initialized state.

So what exactly isn't working ?

 

 

 

Yeah sorry for the back and forth. I thought it was working by virtue of the mcm loading which wasnt before but after continuing to debug some other unrelated things i realized it was a fluke and that even though PAF initialized, PFA did not.

 

What does not appear to be working is the appearance of the MCM and ability to configure. PAF itself also seems to be affected as i am unable to add actors through either the menu or the power.

 

We discussed an issue like this back in July last year that was fixed in 3.1.0 and yes the issue does seem to be related to sleep events again as you stated since the notification message does not popup on sleep. I do have the correct BEES version installed (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/106712?tab=description). 

 

Edit: To be clear, I have intermittent issues loading the MCMs of both PAF and PFA. One or the other or both only load sometimes on a new playthrough when loaded together. PAF loads 100% without PFA. Loading PFA afterwards will result in the MCM never loading. 

 

Edited April 29, 2025 by emilHand

[Dg75]

50 minutes ago, emilHand said:

What does not appear to be working is the appearance of the MCM and ability to configure.

Okay.  Adding actors may be affected by mcm menu not starting. If using paf's menu key to add the actor and the hot key wasn't registered as it registers when the 

mcm is started, and when user re-selects a new key.

 

PFA initializing would have anything to do with mcm's or the such as stated above its only related to commentary and tracking for things like sextalk and 

public nudity. 

 

If the paf's MCM's is not loading it could effect pee and fart functionality, as the mcm sets EVERYTHING up

If paf's mcm is loading, but pfa's isn't then only things like commentary, sextalk and related options are effected. Pee and fart would still work as default.

The mcm's are not connected in any way.  

If mcm isn't loading: if you already haven't try the < setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1 > 

and wait. If it does not work then something maybe screwing with your skyui as it cannot update the new menu.

 

The only thing I can think of is your Pee and Fart mod. Make sure its the rc3 and not the rc2 - not sure the difference, but 

rc2 was prior and supposedly incorrectly packaged, thus the rc3 

its almost like you are missing the files - PafMainQuest and PAFmcmQuest

Both have Player Alias scripts attached, The alias script on PafMain is the one PFA writes onto and handles pfa Initializations

and tracking. .  pafs mcm handles and sets up everything paf

 

Edited April 29, 2025 by Dg75

[emilHand]

1 hour ago, Dg75 said:

Okay.  Adding actors may be affected by mcm menu not starting. If using paf's menu key to add the actor and the hot key wasn't registered as it registers when the 

mcm is started, and when user re-selects a new key.

 

PFA initializing would have anything to do with mcm's or the such as stated above its only related to commentary and tracking for things like sextalk and 

public nudity. 

 

If the paf's MCM's is not loading it could effect pee and fart functionality, as the mcm sets EVERYTHING up

If paf's mcm is loading, but pfa's isn't then only things like commentary, sextalk and related options are effected. Pee and fart would still work as default.

The mcm's are not connected in any way.  

If mcm isn't loading: if you already haven't try the < setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1 > 

and wait. If it does not work then something maybe screwing with your skyui as it cannot update the new menu.

 

The only thing I can think of is your Pee and Fart mod. Make sure its the rc3 and not the rc2 - not sure the difference, but 

rc2 was prior and supposedly incorrectly packaged, thus the rc3 

its almost like you are missing the files - PafMainQuest and PAFmcmQuest

Both have Player Alias scripts attached, The alias script on PafMain is the one PFA writes onto and handles pfa Initializations

and tracking. .  pafs mcm handles and sets up everything paf

 

 

I tried < setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1 > and it did not pull up when completed. Something to note, I noticed that when I loaded PFA after PAF instead of with on a new save that I would get a notification that a new menu was added but the menu was not actually available. I followed your advice about checking for conflicts with SkyUI VR. I have disabled a few things and managed to get both MCMs to load but again not consistently. During this time I managed to add an actor and set the time low to wait. I kept getting a message over and over that the actor couldn't hold it but the actor wouldn't relieve themselves no matter how long I waited. On subsequent attempts at a new game I was unable to get PFA to load again. Its strange that it will load sometimes and not others.

 

And I do have the RC3 version of PAF 4.0.

 

 

[Blacker114]

8 hours ago, Dg75 said:

確保在其 mcm 中啟動 Sexalab 框架，並確保在 sexlab 偵錯頁面上獲得所有「正常」。 

確保您已安裝 Pee 和 Fart 4.0 rc3。 - 不是 RC2

確保 PFA 安裝並載入。

 

這可能是因為您的電腦狀態檢查失敗 - 正在動畫。 

當懷疑問題發生時，打開 pfa 的調試模式，也許它會給出關於哪種情況失敗以及原因的線索。

 

I didn't know if the original file was correct, so I uninstalled it and replaced it with RC3, now I can see PAF in mcm when have PFA,but I still couldn't pee.

There's a little different. Before, I pressed B and it said I didn't need to pee, and now I press B,nothing happens.

Edited April 30, 2025 by Blacker114

[Blacker114]

      I have spent three days trying to solve these problems, but the more I try, the more problems I have.I read all the comments on every page, but I didn't find any useful ideas.

     When I install PAF only(without sexlab framework), my character peed well expect the animations are missing:clothes disappear, then he just stand there doing an idle animation, yellow water and puddles works well.

      When I installed the sexlab framework, pressing B just tells me I don't need to pee,though my bladder is full.

      When I installed sexlab framework and PFA together, nothing happened when pressing B.

       When I installed PFA only,still nothing happened when pressing B.

        So sexlab framework will make PAF work wrong(though it's necessary）,a comments said PFA can solve this problem,but PFA doesn't work properly for me too.

         It is possible that there are other solutions to the problems of sexlab framework, or PFA still requires something else, I don’t know,but I really try my best.

Edited April 30, 2025 by Blacker114

[Dg75]

2 hours ago, Blacker114 said:

      I have spent three days trying to solve these problems, but the more I try, the more problems I have.I read all the comments on every page, but I didn't find any useful ideas.

     When I install PAF only(without sexlab framework), my character peed well expect the animations are missing:clothes disappear, then he just stand there doing an idle animation, yellow water and puddles works well.

      When I installed the sexlab framework, pressing B just tells me I don't need to pee,though my bladder is full.

      When I installed sexlab framework and PFA together, nothing happened when pressing B.

       When I installed PFA only,still nothing happened when pressing B.

        So sexlab framework will make PAF work wrong(though it's necessary）,a comments said PFA can solve this problem,but PFA doesn't work properly for me too.

         It is possible that there are other solutions to the problems of sexlab framework, or PFA still requires something else, I don’t know,but I really try my best.

 

Have you actually started Sexlab in Sexlab's mcm ? 

On SexLab's debug page, are you getting all green "Okays" 

In PFA's mcm last page are you getting okays. 

Try turning on debug option in PFA, and try to pee. It will print to screen some clues if something is wrong. 

Let me know what it says. and let me know any other notifications that pop up normally even if debug was off.

 

Edited April 30, 2025 by Dg75

[Blacker114]

4 hours ago, Dg75 said:

 

您是否真的在 Sexlab 的 mcm 中啟動了 Sexlab ？ 

在 SexLab 的調試頁面上，您是否看到全是綠色的“正常” 

在 PFA 的 mcm 最後一頁中，您是否獲得了批准。 

嘗試在PFA中開啟偵錯選項，並嘗試小便。如果出現問題，它會列印螢幕來顯示一些線索。 

讓我知道它說了什麼。並讓我知道即使調試關閉，任何其他正常彈出的通知。

 

I can't turn on debug mode,I clicked it but it is not ticked.

Sorry for make so much trouble to you.

Edited April 30, 2025 by Blacker114

[Dg75]

4 hours ago, Blacker114 said:

I can't turn on debug mode,I clicked it but it is not ticked.

Sorry for make so much trouble to you.

On SexLab's debug page, are you getting all green "Okays"  ?

In PFA's mcm last page are you getting okays ?

Have you slept first time to initialize PFA ?

[saakichan]

could you reupload paf fixes 3.5x version?

Edited April 30, 2025 by saakichan

[emilHand]

On 4/29/2025 at 3:23 PM, emilHand said:

 

I tried < setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1 > and it did not pull up when completed. Something to note, I noticed that when I loaded PFA after PAF instead of with on a new save that I would get a notification that a new menu was added but the menu was not actually available. I followed your advice about checking for conflicts with SkyUI VR. I have disabled a few things and managed to get both MCMs to load but again not consistently. During this time I managed to add an actor and set the time low to wait. I kept getting a message over and over that the actor couldn't hold it but the actor wouldn't relieve themselves no matter how long I waited. On subsequent attempts at a new game I was unable to get PFA to load again. Its strange that it will load sometimes and not others.

 

And I do have the RC3 version of PAF 4.0.

 

 

 

I solved my issue...kinda. I went through and basically installed all the soft requirements and mods you have patches for. I'm not sure which one allowed PFA to initialize, I will try to figure that out next.

[Blacker114]

16 hours ago, Dg75 said:

在 SexLab 的調試頁面上，您是否看到全是綠色的「正常」？

在 PFA 的 mcm 最後一頁你得到同意了嗎？

您是否已睡著以初始化 PFA？

Thank you very much for your help! I checked sexlab and found that it seems to have a huge problem. I will try to solve the problem from this aspect.

[Dg75]

On 4/30/2025 at 5:37 PM, saakichan said:

could you reupload paf fixes 3.5x version?

I cannot recommend it. And I wont support it.

May I ask why ?

 

Edited May 2, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

I am currently in the process of recreating the entire esp, and Pee and farts as well. 

When it is finished, they will be one, and will be espfe .

It will require a clean save of anything associated with either esp. 

All the Patches will need to be fixed as well.

My other addons, Domination and Curses of a BloodWhore will get updated for this.

Other mods like Bisr that listen for pfa will get quite broken and will need to be fixed by their creator.

I plan on being finished very soon, perhaps a day maybe more.

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Dg75

[Deathmaw]

7 hours ago, Dg75 said:

I am currently in the process of recreating the entire esp, and Pee and farts as well. 

When it is finished, they will be one, and will be espfe .

It will require a clean save of anything associated with either esp. 

All the Patches will need to be fixed as well.

My other addons, Domination and Curses of a BloodWhore will get updated for this.

Other mods like Bisr that listen for pfa will get quite broken and will need to be fixed by their creator.

I plan on being finished very soon, perhaps a day maybe more.

 

Absolute legend, absolutely well done!

[Dg75]

As I am currently in the progress of an update, I found a potential bug. Whatever you don't reset Pee and Fart via paf's mcm option. 

The deinit() will erase the SexLab property on PAF_Main script -Player's script. No way to get it back. This would make thing not work for the player

Paffing or pretty much anything. If you did reset it, and thing get broken then all you can do is create a clean save and reinstall paf and pfa

like new - At least until I can get an update up to fix it.

[lhlongsong]

I've come across an issue using PAF 4.0, PAF Fixes & Addons 3.9.9, Dooty 3.1, and the Dooty patch 3.0. It'll CTD and Dooty 3.0 file has been removed from Nexus. 

crash-2025-05-04-04-05-27.log

[azunia]

Hiya!

 

I was wondering where the comment manager is for PFA... in the MCM it says theres no comment manager installed but when i go to the comment manager mod page it says if i have PFA it comes with its own comment manager and should not install that one... but i dont see it in the download list or so?

[Dg75]

6 hours ago, azunia said:

Hiya!

 

I was wondering where the comment manager is for PFA... in the MCM it says theres no comment manager installed but when i go to the comment manager mod page it says if i have PFA it comes with its own comment manager and should not install that one... but i dont see it in the download list or so?

see the mod page under requirements and PFA_VoicePackMain - its a link to mega as the voice pack is too large to upload here.

its the VmNxxIzY file in the downloads.

Edited May 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

On 5/3/2025 at 11:30 PM, lhlongsong said:

I've come across an issue using PAF 4.0, PAF Fixes & Addons 3.9.9, Dooty 3.1, and the Dooty patch 3.0. It'll CTD and Dooty 3.0 file has been removed from Nexus. 

crash-2025-05-04-04-05-27.log 38.92 kB · 1 download

The dooty mod link on PFA main page still works, I just clicked it and took me to Dooty page.

 

 

If its to do with the Dooty patch, It could be the game trying reference a deleted dooty toilet house.  maybe .

The patch uses OnCellAttach and OnCellDetach events and adds and remove Persistent Dooty houses on and off a tracking list as the PC moves about

in the game world. I personally haven't any issues with it. But just say if one wound up on the list, and when PC moved out of range from where it was

so that its current cell was becoming detached from 3D, the script would call for that reference to be removed from the tracking list - IF for some reason

that Dooty house gotten deleted - then maybe the Game takes a shit ! 

 

I cannot think of any other reason why the Dooty patch would give you a problem. Nor can think of a way that the dooty house mysteriously gets deleted, unless 

you deleted it - doubtful. 

 

Try to disable the mcm option and see if it persists. 

Open the save up in resaver - clean it if need be - see if it list any clues - look into the active scripts section, and see any thing related to Dooty patch

the name of the script is "PFA_PafFollowerDootyScript" 

 

Edited May 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

I have completed yet another update. Actually two -

PFA 4.0.0 - will be the final version as is. 

This 4.0.0 version is same version as the 4.10 below, but does NOT require new game. So if not wanting to start new - Use this version until you are.

 

Beginning now! A Paf Fixes and Addons version 4.1.0 is a combination of Pee and Fart and PFA into one mod - and rendered espfe

All in one. It also packs within the Comment Manager and both main Voice pack, and Male variant voice pack- So its a All in one. 

 

REQUIRES A NEW GAME !!!!!  DO NOT TRY TO USE A RESAVER TO CLEAN YOUR SAVE - MAYBE IT WORK - I DOUBT IT, AND WOULDN'T TRUST IT.

 

every form in both paf and pfa have been made new. Any patch or other mods that listen for Paf or PFA will 

be broken until their creator takes the time upload fix. 

 

I have just started a new game, and tested its functionality. All three mcm's loaded up fine, I waited a bit and took a healthy dump. so  . . 

Not all features have been tested, as that will take much time. 

If using the 4.10 on New game. Be sure to enable all esps that are packed within the mod within your mod manager.  

Wait untill Unbound is done or whatever ALT start you use. Once loaded and in game

Instal SexLab and enable it in its MCM first! - Test it -Then save exit and install the PFA AIO - it loads 3 mcm's.

open and enable Comment Manger mcm first, then Pee and Fart mcm, then PFA mcm last.

This AIO file will be a link to mega. All patches have been updated for this as well and will marked AIO as to be used with the PFA AIO only.

If the patch isn't marked AIO then wont work! (exceptions - paf 4k texture wouldn't matter as I kept the same file format from Pee and Fart.)

 

Even though the AIO is All in one - it will still need the required files - Skse, SkyUi, SexLab,RaceMenu,Stroties, and Slave Tats 

 

I am getting ready to upload all this right now. If any questions or confusion about this, be sure to ask and I shall do my best to answer.

Edited May 6, 2025 by Dg75

[snitch123]

On 3/26/2025 at 4:50 AM, Dg75 said:

Snitch! Ha Thought you gave up on me.  Glad your back, you are my favorite critic, just so you know.

 

Well pee stream not unequipping -just when accidents ? I use Pno as well, and haven't noticed it, but I'll look into it.

is it normally a specific follower - each follower has their own script - they should be identical in structure but. .

I know pno uses effects rather than armor equipable pee like paf used. PNO pee has a duration, if it fails to stop when supposed to it 

stops when the effect wears off. I wonder if thats whats going on ? In this case may be something in the script preventing it.

 

a good idea, about tp in the outhouses. its plausible! Be really nice if someone could rig up a tp holder or something

 

Peeing takes longer, are you still pee only ?  As I know when fully paffing the pee streams didnt stop until after done with the other bit. 

I have that fixed , but have not uploaded yet.  If its pee only taking longer, then that be different functions, I'll need to take a look at them.

 

 

Gave up ? Naaah. I was unfortunately way too busy and low on time to be able to get to Skyrim, let alone be active here and fiddle with mods. I think I should be able to be a little more active from now on again. 

Thank you for that quick patch btw ^^
I did end up trying the features for a bit. And the un-equip issue has been fixed reliably since then.

I think the length of the pee and leaking "sequence" was shorter by roughly a half or so in some previous patches, but I guess the animations got reverted back to the "original" length somewhere with patching. Did a timed test between versions I believe 3.3.x.x or so and the newer ones as they came out. Sadly never got much time to look/post about it in depth. Seems the pee + poop animation length is kind of mismatched either way, so it should work fine anyway. Well, in case you get the chance to do that, would be nice.

Well to live up to that "critic" title.. 😂

5 hours ago, Dg75 said:

I have completed yet another update. Actually two -

PFA 4.0.0 - will be the final version as is. 

This 4.0.0 version is same version as the 4.10 below, but does NOT require new game. So if not wanting to start new - Use this version until you are.

 

Beginning now! A Paf Fixes and Addons version 4.1.0 is a combination of Pee and Fart and PFA into one mod - and rendered espfe

All in one. It also packs within the Comment Manager and both main Voice pack, and Male variant voice pack- So its a All in one. 

 

REQUIRES A NEW GAME !!!!!  DO NOT TRY TO USE A RESAVER TO CLEAN YOUR SAVE - MAYBE IT WORK - I DOUBT IT, AND WOULDN'T TRUST IT.

 

every form in both paf and pfa have been made new. Any patch or other mods that listen for Paf or PFA will 

be broken until their creator takes the time upload fix. 

 

I have just started a new game, and tested its functionality. All three mcm's loaded up fine, I waited a bit and took a healthy dump. so  . . 

Not all features have been tested, as that will take much time. 

If using the 4.10 on New game. Be sure to enable all esps that are packed within the mod within your mod manager.  

Wait untill Unbound is done or whatever ALT start you use. Once loaded and in game

Instal SexLab and enable it in its MCM first! - Test it -Then save exit and install the PFA AIO - it loads 3 mcm's.

open and enable Comment Manger mcm first, then Pee and Fart mcm, then PFA mcm last.

This AIO file will be a link to mega. All patches have been updated for this as well and will marked AIO as to be used with the PFA AIO only.

If the patch isn't marked AIO then wont work! (exceptions - paf 4k texture wouldn't matter as I kept the same file format from Pee and Fart.)

 

Even though the AIO is All in one - it will still need the required files - Skse, SkyUi, SexLab,RaceMenu,Stroties, and Slave Tats 

 

I am getting ready to upload all this right now. If any questions or confusion about this, be sure to ask and I shall do my best to answer.

I have tried this out right away..

I might be the devil's advocate here and say I tried ReSaver. Works. No issues... If done right. So, I might make a whole other post about that, to explain how to do the process in the safest way for those who would dare to try and would love to keep their saves. I will of course make sure to put a huge "at your own risk" disclaimer between huge exclamation marks, so that it won't come back to bite us with people asking for support/blaming anyone. 

So, the new "put together" version - it works well at the core, but the whole detection system must've gotten messed up. Perhaps some records are using wrong references in some way ? I actually tested with both pee and poop enabled, but of course only with the cleaning/eating mods I am normally using. Also a noteworthy mention to rule out ReSaver consequences : Tested thoroughly both on a "ReSaved" save and a new one made for the purpose of testing. That's also how I verified if a ReSaved save file works fully just like a fresh one. 

So here is what I have found not working:

- Bounty system : Any sort of detection from bounty system at all. At the very least I couldn't get anything to trigger. However CM lines work and trigger (got some reactions from NPCs).

- RNAD.. Actually even fully Vanilla items are not counting towards needs. So both the survival consumables detection and vanilla items. Though fair chance my vanilla items are partially "overwritten" by survival mods, so it might be just RNAD/whatever else detection not working. Though I think stuff like Ale, Mead always worked by default.

- Bathing in Skyrim or actually washing at all. Even just jumping into water and swimming around won't clean your character up. Only reliable way was using TP to clean. 

Nothing else so far, but might run into something later. Otherwise the whole "conversion" seems to function well. I haven't really tested the kink stuff, but stuff like NPC tracking etc. worked as far as I've seen.  I can also confirm PNO integration worked so far. I.. Also do have an idea or two on some slight changes to existing features, but I'll leave suggesting those for later.. I guess it's the core stuff that needs testing now.  And as always, thanks for all the new good stuff.. 👍

Edited May 6, 2025 by snitch123

[Dg75]

1 hour ago, snitch123 said:

Nothing else so far, but might run into something later. Otherwise the whole "conversion" seems to function well. I haven't really tested the kink stuff, but stuff like NPC tracking etc. worked as far as I've seen.  I can also confirm PNO integration worked so far. I.. Also do have an idea or two on some slight changes to existing features, but I'll leave suggesting those for later.. I guess it's the core stuff that needs testing now.  And as always, thanks for all the new good stuff.. 👍

Edited 15 minutes ago by snitch123

Hmm! I'll look back over the those systems, its probably something forgot to put in. 

It was an enormous update, lots of potential for the small things to have gotten overlooked. 

Let me know if anything else comes up, and thanks for the needed feedback .

 

edit: just found out why! PAfPlayer script handles that stuff and I forgot to fill the friggin property to PAFMain quest to update

the stats. PAFPlayer dont know what a PAFMAINQuest script is.  That save your on will need cleaned again after I fix this because it just baked

that null property into it and nothing short of new install will regain the property.

 

Give me a few minutes to check the rest of it, I will just have resave it and upload a new version.

Edited May 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

Shit Fire!

Hold on installing the 4.1.0 AIO update. I just found some properties I forgot to fill on the Player alias script.

 

Edit : 

Alright I got it fixed and a Version 4.1.1 uploaded to the same link cjU1mB6A in the downloads

Everything should be good unless Snitch 123 finds something I forgot to do.

If you had previously downloaded the 4.1.0 version and started your game with it. Your save file will need to be cleaned of it

so the game loads the hot fix 4.1.1 like it was new. It has too so the OnInit will fire and properly fill that missing property.

You can try resaver or better yet to just go back to save before you made the initial install of the 4.1.0 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

The other version 4.0.0 wasn't effected - this just for AIO version.

Edited May 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Kawabongahu]

what's the decryption key for the VmNxxIzY file? i can't find it anywhere.