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Rape in the Lovers series is not really immersive (Maybe a new project)


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The problem with 'immersion ' is that it seems to mean different things to different people' date=' so much so that it often means nothing. I've seen people claim your character getting hungry is immersive (because it's like real life) and people claim it breaks immersion because it interrupts the flow of quests.

 

I find it a word best avoided when trying to explain something. Go figure!

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agreed, i just started spouting out possible outcomes or ways to go, for "perfect" immersion, each and everyone of us should make his own game.

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When your character gets raped' date=' a group of large men should break into your room and rape you. When your character dies, so should you. Anything else isn't immersive enough.  :o

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Oh god. Really? It's about what would be believable in the game's universe. For example, if NPCs would sometimes just explode for no apparent reason - would that be immersive? Would that add to a believable, dense atmosphere? No. Would it be believable if you could just punch city guards in the face without them doing anything? No. More immersion means just that and not the game should be so ultra realistic that you need to press a breathe button at least every few seconds or else you pass out.

 

Sorry, but I hate comments like yours. Trying to be funny but missing the point entirely. Honestly.

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I'd still love to see this project go ahead - RaperS is the main reason for me using Lovers. Not even for 'teh sexy tiem' but because I want to make Tamariel a more dangerous place for female adventurers. I find it immersive to have to dodge sexual dangers aswell as daedra, falling rocks, and magic spells. My current character is level 6 and has yet to fall victim to anyone; and with RaperS, TrueCrime, PayBandit and Joberg (all on lowest settings) thats not from lack of npcs being interested.

 

If she does get caught I want it to be a dramatic and potentially unpleasant scene that I can roleplay as changing her character. Some of the poses TrueCrime uses are really fitting, since the PC looks sad/scared while she is held down and used.

 

However, there are a few immersion problems. Your clothes arn't removed/ripped off, they just instantly disapear and the scene is immediatly the woman on her back being plowed. No transition. It can be jarring. I don't see that anything can be done about this; it's just something that draws away from the effect. The biggest thing as has been said is the fact that IF my character is evetnually caught (or when, I suppose, since with a chance system its inevitable) there is a good chance she will be grinning and bouncing on the rapists lap. Second is of course the lack of reppercussions. TomagoClub helps witht his greatly; but there are no immediate 'costs'.

 

Am I the only one who would like rape-chance to depend on HP more than Chance? That way its down to how beaten you are (and less able to defend yourself) rather than being completely schooling some bandit when he magically strips your PC and she's on her back. Thinking, I actually put that as my biggest gripe with RaperS. Even the lesser Sexus for FO has it by BOTH hp range and chance. Int he same way Joburg never gives you the chance to draw steel. Its just on your back.

 

The loss of gear and interactions with guards and such sound good too; but personally i'd like to see simple logic applied to what we have before we start making 'new' stuff.

 

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When your character gets raped' date=' a group of large men should break into your room and rape you. When your character dies, so should you. Anything else isn't immersive enough.  :o

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Sorry, but I hate comments like yours. Trying to be funny but missing the point entirely. Honestly.

 

I don't think I'm the one missing the point entirely. ;)

 

And because I'm not interested in a silly flame war, I'll repeat what I said up thread. I like the idea of this project, and I hope to see it go forward. It looks interesting. Talking about "realistic" or "immersive" rape in Oblivion does reach a point where it just gets silly. Right now the Lovers rape mods are geared towards the Hentai Pornoverse; adding them to Oblivion is pretty much deciding that your game is going to be role playing in the world of Fantasy Porn. I'm not saying that's good or bad; it is what it is. If this project can offer a less radical change to the world, where Rape is closer to what happens in Fantasy novels rather than Fantasy Porn, then that's all good. If it's more hardcore S&M, that's good too; whatever floats the mod makers boat. :)

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I'm amazed that this thread's title coerced so many people to give their opinions on rape..seriously guys' date=' this is the first step to moralfaggotry which has taken so many others lol. You got any updates for us as of yet Grimreaper.

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Well, I said in the first post what I think rape in Oblivion should be like, i.e. damaged stats and part of your equipment being looted. Yes, looted, not lost. You can still go back and kill the guy(s) who almost killed you and get back your stuff.

 

Anyhow, as far as updates are concerned... I'm still trying to get the animations working. The most frustrating part is that there are no tutorials around on how to make animations for the Lovers mod. Heck, there aren't even any detailed tutorials about making animations for Oblivion at all.

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I would really like to see this mod released as well.

 

Its true that some of the mods are not that immersive and can make you laugh out loud rather than make you feel like some serious stuff is going down. I agree totally with the ideas of potentially being taken off to where things get 'worse', possibly losing items and cash as well as long term damage that will make you more cautious in the future.

 

Yes, consider it a hard core rape mod for Oblivion. No reason why it cant have options to reduce the penalties or just be a collection of cool new animations.

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Lovers bergatrol was close as to where you attacked by strong bandit, they would loot you leave you in just starting clothes, and you can still get your stuff back. if you are bolt enough to try. I think galgat made an english translation for that one. Only thing is the animation where not very good.

 

It was called for lovers_pkr after that the project turned into lovers with pk what we have now.

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I have read this topic and I agree with the author.

So I like the the idea that remplace death by rape. But it's to light.

You lose, you are raped instead of dead and you resurect in the same place. It's good but...

 

I have a idea (I don t know if this thing exist) to developpe the lose.

 

If you lose a fight you are raped instead of dead but you resurect in a specific place (like prison) with chains.

 

- If guards kill you you ressurect nude in the near cities prison.

- If Bandits kill you you resurect nude in a random lair

- If a Draera kill you you resurect nude in a random oblivion lair

 

Your character can be slave, simply prisoner, be raped a lot. All her equipement are in a Chest at the end of this specifique dungeon.

 

To escape your character must be kill guardian, or accompish a specific thing (Be the slave for the bandit leader, chain that can be remove after resolve a quest). The character can be curse like "cursed armor mod" And must accomplis a quest to be free.

 

In the prison/lair/dungeon the character can have specific interaction with torture machines. I think about the "Chain Beast" mod or some poser mode like "chain_it".

 

What do you think about this ?

 

PS sorry for my English I m French

 

 

 

 

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Just Idea's but if your raped by guards chance to be sent to the 'Imperial brothel' where you would need to work to buy your freedom back, could work for fines to.  By bandits chance to be sold into slavery, where you may wind up sold to a necromancer or dremora.  Toss in elements of cursed armor or chain it could be interesting.   

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One complaint I've had is that after sex, someone will start attacking again if they see you. I think this is stupid. They should part with a smartass remark, and then be non-hostile towards you, but demand sex when you talk to them or something like that.

 

I'd want that, and a mod that takes groups into account. Like if there are 5 people nearby and one rapes you, they either join in, or leave and laugh at you or something. They shouldn't all continue to attack someone they just seen there partner fuck in the ass, it hardly makes any sense.

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For joburg I think the real problem with it is the NPC targeting. its just too random to the point to where it's just plain unrealistic. I covered it here: http://www.loverslab.com/index.php?topic=380.0  though I'm not sure what changes the targeting system to meet those specs.

 

I agree with this.

 

Another important thing are the voice sets. I really don't want to hear screams of pain and anguish, but the voice sets we have right now are a little too much on the "SUPRISE SEX!! Oh no! Wait... Oh yeeeees!" side of things.

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Change the "surprise sex" to a spell that neither drains the fatigue slowly to 0 and then you collapse making you vulnerable to rape, but you would a have a chance to run to safety before your fatigue reaches 0.

 

Additionally, if guards can see you, you can't be raped.  That has always bugged me when my PC gets raped in the middle of a street with a bunch of NPC's walking around.

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Just to put my thoughts into this, instead of the idea of the rapist taking your armor or weapons, just have it so that they are completely broken after the rapist rapes you. It makes more sense that a rapist would break your armor and weapons as well as rip your clothes to get at you. But in order to make a quick escape, they aren't going to take your stuff but run. So who agrees: Rapist should breaks your equipped armor, weapons, and clothing (and doesn't steal it), and the rapist takes a certain amount of your gold.

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Just to put my thoughts into this' date=' instead of the idea of the rapist taking your armor or weapons, just have it so that they are completely broken after the rapist rapes you. It makes more sense that a rapist would break your armor and weapons as well as rip your clothes to get at you. But in order to make a quick escape, they aren't going to take your stuff but run. So who agrees: Rapist should breaks your equipped armor, weapons, and clothing (and doesn't steal it), and the rapist takes a certain amount of your gold.

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Did you even read the first post?

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Just to put my thoughts into this' date=' instead of the idea of the rapist taking your armor or weapons, just have it so that they are completely broken after the rapist rapes you. It makes more sense that a rapist would break your armor and weapons as well as rip your clothes to get at you. But in order to make a quick escape, they aren't going to take your stuff but run. So who agrees: Rapist should breaks your equipped armor, weapons, and clothing (and doesn't steal it), and the rapist takes a certain amount of your gold.

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Did you even read the first post?

Yes, yes I did.

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