Rape in the Lovers series is not really immersive (Maybe a new project)

[cold burn]

well you may wish to check out lovers with PK extender as it has foreplay animations that can trigger right before consensual sex. You may be able to set up some custom rape foreplay that could trigger with a little scripting.

[cailic]

I just saw this thread and haven't had a chance to read through it yet, so if what I say has been said before, my appoligies. I just want to post this before I foreget.

 

I agree that the rape is rather.. uhh... unrealistic. Why are the cowgirl animations used during rape? "Hi, I'm going to rape you, but I want you on top, in the dominant position. But don't kill me, or run away, cause then I can't force myself on you." You think that would be realistic for a character like Red Sonja, or what's herface from Underworld Or Bloodrayne?

 

I Morrowind, I mashed some mods together so that the players clothes would be destroyed in combat. The whole rape system was based on lust. If the woman was barefoot, one level of lust, and each missing garment increased the lust global. Men would rape a woman based on a percentage chance versus lust. The guards, if they got you, would make you pay a "tax". Then depending on another percentage chance, how much they like you, could throw you in prison, where you were used by all the guards as a sex slave for a week or so.

 

The creatures would have a percentage chance of raping the PC as soon as her pants, or skirt was ripped of or destroyed. Then afterwards the creature, if it has hands, would select a few random things out of the PC's inventory. They would be transfer to the creatures inventory so, I theory, you could get them back. But I made it a bit tougher. Every time a creature would rape you, it's health would be set to higher level, such as plus 100 Health points. After so many rapes by a creature, it would get bonuses, such as imune to normal weapons, or a spell that it cast at you to paralyze you from a distance. Given pararalysis rape was automatic.

 

So, if you wanted to go back into town safely, you would need to carry several sets of clothing with you and hope you aren't looted too much.

 

The guards and goblins also had a percentage chance to enslave you. You were teleported to a slave camp and had the option of escaping. Much like PlayerSlave, but PlayerSlave is far better than anything I could come up with.

 

Oh, uhh... don't ask me for that mod. I never got it working to my liking and it is LONG gone.

 

 

[Daguy]

Gotta say Cailic, that was a bit of an ass-like thing to do. Proboboly didn;t intend it, but still. Giving all that information and getting the hopes up just to... blam, shoot them out of the water. One of the reasons I never really got into Morrowind was that Lover and Legends and the romance mod were the height of the adult scene. A few decent text-description based mods, but most you where a whore or visiting a whore, nothing like you describe.

 

Daggerfall had better rape than Morrowind, in that if you got 'stuck' inside a Daedra Seducer it wasn;t hard to imagine she had her thighs around your head. Nymphs grabbing at you and draining your stamina. Aside from the quirky kissing bandit, I can't think of a single quest with an undertones on threatening sexuality towards a female PC.

 

On topic: I have a habit of just cycling through the different poses til I get one that fits the scene. However, it would be nice to have a bit of grappling beforehand, and a bit more of a transition, since it really is abrupt to go from fully armored in plate to naked and being banged in an instant, as others have said.

 

 

[cailic]

Oops. I just wanted to share my ideas. The mod I was working on, in my opinion, wasn't worth sharing since the whole thing revolved around you having a female character. AND, it was mostly text based since I have no idea how to do animation. And, additionaly, it was bastardization of other peoples mods, like guard sex, NP Nude System and couple others. I appoligize if I got anyones hopes up.

[Daguy]

No worries, but you peaked my interest enough for it to be irritating when you declared it gone. And, see, all those things do nothing to reduce the interest. Morrowind hasn't aged well enough to make things like Lovers work. Even Better Bodies doesn't change that. Fade-to-black text-based sex scenes are where its at with Morrowind. You'll also find that most (like 90%) of the Lovers mods are based around playing female characters, even if they 'work' with males.

 

Still, its a moot point as its gone. Siiiiigh.

 

Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh, but i've been consiering reinstalling Morrowing and realised that there was nothing even close to what you describe avalable, even in an 'imperfect' form. Even made a thread in 'Other Games' about it.

[cailic]

Try Morowblivion. It looks like the origianl, with better graphics. No path grids or whatever they are called, so mods like playerslave work, cept the slaver doesn't know where to go after gaggin you. Uhhh... sorry bout breaking thread... think of something on topic... think of something on topic..

 

Uhh... Oh, I would have liked it alot better if we had the option to select what animations are being used at the VERY least. I tried copying the .ini files around but I guess the real controls to the animations are in the esp somewhere.... I guess. Like I said, I cann't figure out the scripting being used in todays mods. Mine was rather basic I guess.

[abinas]

Daguy, had you ever tried Mr cellophanes lovers and legends? it actually showed the sex and had a few positions. I had added scripts from romance mod so that you could get pregnant from it as well.

 

I did make a bandit rape mod where the thugs along the road would run up and demand sex, and after the assault leaving a nasty puddle on the ground under the girl, it also had risk of pregnancy.

 

I never put it out there because it is rather primitive and at the time anyone suggesting such things were branded freaks and ridiculed.

 

I do still have that on one of my hard drives, if you want I can dig it out.

[Daguy]

I'd really apreciate that Abinas. That would make me install Morrowind.

 

I've got Lovers and Legends somewhere, and it was good for a relationship with a none-companion NPC, but it didn;t really add any 'grit' to the world like what you have does. Don;t suppose you also have the version that allowed pregnancy? That would certainly be interesting. Or was it all part and parcel of the same mod you cobbled together?

 

*goes about planning out his none-combat character to drop into Morrowind*

[abinas]

I made the lover with pregnancy a separate esp and sound files, you just need full l&l and the romance mod for it to work. also I have modded esp for romance mod that makes pregnancy last for 9 mnths. The bandit mod is dependent on romance mod and cm partners and not a very compact mod in the traditional sense as I never planned on making it public. but it is usable it just requires a lot of overwriting 8).

[Daguy]

Hm, well, very interested if you would be kind enough to upload it.

 

[dumit]

So far I'm thinking of 3 different poses structures for the different forms of in game rape I've seen.

 

1) Standing Frontal

2) Standing Behind (might just do Ground from behind and have the rape start with doggy)

3) Ground Frontal

With two actors: Defender and Offender.

 

You could get away with one repeating animation with an attack noise or something. but I'm thinking each attack/block/right mouse button, should have its own animation as well. When the offender attacks he is ripping at the defender's cloths, when the defender attacks he is pushing away from the attacker. Each attack from the offender will do damage to armor (This should work on BU armor as well.) During the Idle poses the defender will show his disapproval and resisting, while the offender is groping the defender.

 

After watching clockwork orange again I had the Idea that The offender needs to wear down the stamina of the defender. each 'attack' uses up stamina, the first one to 0 loses. This gives melee classes a distinct disadvantage however (since there attacks will leave them low on stamina), so A simple strength test might be used to determine who's animation will get played most won is a random amount of time wins?

 

 

If I get really ambitious I think I'll try to do a finishing animation for the offender or defender, but it is not going to happen any time soon.

[cold burn]

EH yeah it could hurt melee warrior because they could easily have a lower percentage of their fatigue, however as they would probably have more endurance they'd likely have more fatigue to begin with.

[dumit]

I was bored and I made all the animations needed for me to make the mod as I see fit. These are my first ever animations, and I didn't much care to hard for the position of the dresses, wings, tail or hair. I know the formula for a double pendulum to help me predict the motion of hair using the Lagrangian but that would be waaaaaaay to hard.

 

I used the skeleton from the Adult animation tutorial for noobs by Coronerra from TESNEXUS. Because it was easy to use, so I didn't want to rerig a skeleton. So I don't how much he cares about me posting my modified files using that skeleton.

 

I had to use a naming system, because I think my girlfriend would be quite cross finding anything with the word rape in the title that I had worked on. so all the files start with ZR, then SF for standing Frontal, SB for Standing Back, and DF for Down Frontal. Next is O for Offender and D for Defender. Then Idle and Action and the numbers 001 since I only made one of each. So the name looks like ZRSBOIdle001.Blender for Standing Back Offender Idle file 001. Sorry if this is confusing but it seemed like a good idea at the time. after accidentally overwriting the SB Defender files once I can see that it wasn't.

 

Next on the agenda is to export them to Kf files and then start learning the scripting language plus the stuff to get Lovers working with the mod. I'm sure lining up the animations will be in there somewhere.

 

 

Updated the file so the names actually follow my ridiculous convention. it also has KF files and now the animations line up a little better. you can see them in the TEST files like ZFSFTest001.

 

I found it alot easier to line up the animation to have the test file linked to the actual file. so I just had to save the locations of the actors apply the animation in the test file then if I needed to change that one, I just popped into that file.

[cold burn]

Oh wow. Well my advice(as useless as it is likely to be) would be to look into LPK Extender as it has foreplay for regular sex.

[dumit]

I have been majorly distracted from working on the scripting, between League of Legends, and some friends talking me into playing Vampire The masquerade : Bloodlines again. When I do start scrolling through the different files to see what I can learn. The re-translation into ascii ("¢ŠÒ‚Å‚Í‚È‚¢ƒXƒyƒ‹‚àƒfƒBƒXƒyƒ‹‚µ‚Ä‚µ‚Ü‚¤ƒoƒOC³") character set for the comments bothers me. I feel almost compelled to read the code then erase it and convert it to English. I digress...

 

For now I think I'm going to just modify LoversRaperS.esm and when it is supposed to call xLoversMainSafeStart just point it to my script instead. Still foggy on most of the details, but I think that this way the LoversRaperS stuff will feed in the information I need such as who is attacking, is it from behind, is the rapist the Player. I think then if the rapist wins I simply call xLoversMainSafeStart or in the other case call xLoversRaperSDispelRapeV. However this means that the old rape test will still be in place, which is fine by my Idea. I think of it as a "Grappling" test.

 

Once I get a workable esp I think then I'll start a new thread till then I'll just post on the back of this one.

[orangy]

Anyone using LandE and Rapers_roleplaying_edition? Both mods work together perfectly to make rape more immersive.

 

Basically, in rapers_roleplaying edition 1.01, player armors and weapons are dropped when raped. So I started playing it recently and I was making my way to Chorrol to do the first main quest. I come upon some bandits and they would kill me in 2 or 3 hits (have gameplay difficulty set to max). But instead of death, I would just get raped and my weapons and armor would drop on the ground. Usually I have time to pick up my items, but sometimes they would gang rape and I have to run far away as soon as possible (or get stuck being raped endlessly), giving me no time to pickup my items. And a lot of time, I would run so far, I get lost and can't find my way back to the rape scene to recover my items too.

 

This makes the game far more immersive because instead of hitting the load game button after death, I have to flee after being raped and losing my armors and weapons. Since I'm always losing my weapons and armors, this makes looting and stealing far more fun. As I am always replacing lost items from being raped.

 

So my newbie fighter made her way from the sewer dungeon all the way to chorrol after being raped several dozen times. Sometimes naked half the time because her armors were ripped away during the rapes. And she's carrying an assortment of weapons because she's always losing them during rapes. It actually made me feel like I'm a newbie fighter without breaking the 'load game' immersion factor... getting raped and fleeing all the way from the start to chorrol. A total noob. If I had to hit reload game, that means my characters were 'never' defeated and never a noob.

 

Bethesa should just make rapes part of the gameplay from now on, it makes the game so much more fun gameplay-wise.

[axel9fr]

Hello

 

I have try this mod, it work and when my PC was raped she loose correctly gold, armor and weapons. But when my PC is knockback, before the rape, I have a "WTF I m missing Mesh". I dont understand, because I have nothing in my inventory.

[axel9fr]

Hello

 

I have try this mod' date=' it work and when my PC was raped she loose correctly gold, armor and weapons. But when my PC is knockback, before the rape, I have a "WTF I m missing Mesh". I dont understand, because I have nothing in my inventory.

[/quote']

 

I have find the problem... I use a mod call Set Body. With it, I have a spell to change my body. I have it, because It's the only way that I have find to have for my PC moving boob (when she walk). So I think that give a invisible wear and when the RapeS launch the rape sequence this thing fall with the armor.

 

I don't know if this problem can be resolved but if you have an solution to set up boby with dancing boob I will be agree. ^^

[Madmartigan34]

Might be a little off topic since I'm joining this Thread so far into its life span... Just want to share my thoughts on these "rape" mods.

 

To me, its so very clearly obvious that these mods where made by men. You're not being raped in Oblivion with these mods, you're activating "Pizza Delivery Boy Porno Mode"

 

Raper, "I'mma gonna rape u.... hu hu hu."

 

PC, "Oe noe, wutever will I do!"

 

and then both parties are moaning and groaning happily, might as well queue up the cliche porno music too as both parties shift positions and go down the list of the entire Kama Sutra.

 

Its horseshit, not to discredit these modders creators... What they've made is a lot of work and I do appreciate it. But its not rape.

 

Rape is a quick, nasty and generally horribly unattractive act. I'd say the likelihood of both parties "changing positions" throughout the process would be next to nothing, also. Its generally just a depraved and desperate man that will get his "rock off" in less than a minute with a very common position, either missionary or from behind.

 

So what I see should be added is a mode where the player gets to choose what they want to do. Either turn into a porno, or lay there and take the inglorious rape because they've been defeated.

 

I've had these various mods installed for about a month now and I think whats bothered me the most is the animations. They're sex animations, they're not Rape animations. If you're going to trigger a series of animations yhou should have them start out violent...

 

For example:

Animation #1: The man delivers a series of brutal punches/slaps to the woman's face.

Animetion #2: The man flips the girl/over (front or back) and gets on her, maybe covers her mouth or puts a dagger to her throat.

Animation #3: He does his dirty deed.

Animation #4: He finishes, gets off of her and then returns to standard Oblivion NPC Mode.

 

Side effects: These should just be hits to Personality and Endurance. Perhaps strength too. I like having to go to a Church to get them to be repaired (Ala LandE realism edition). But a couple others would be okay alternatives to the holy roller route. Maybe, return to your home and just sleep them off if you're PC isn't a religious type.

 

I don't know, I'll end my rant. Just my thoughts.

[Guest]

Might be a little off topic since I'm joining this Thread so far into its life span... Just want to share my thoughts on these "rape" mods.

 

To me' date=' its so very clearly obvious that these mods where made by men. You're not being raped in Oblivion with these mods, you're activating "Pizza Delivery Boy Porno Mode"

 

Raper, "I'mma gonna rape u.... hu hu hu."

 

PC, "Oe noe, wutever will I do!"

 

and then both parties are moaning and groaning happily, might as well queue up the cliche porno music too as both parties shift positions and go down the list of the entire Kama Sutra.

 

Its horseshit, not to discredit these modders creators... What they've made is a lot of work and I do appreciate it. But its not rape.

 

Rape is a quick, nasty and generally horribly unattractive act. I'd say the likelihood of both parties "changing positions" throughout the process would be next to nothing, also. Its generally just a depraved and desperate man that will get his "rock off" in less than a minute with a very common position, either missionary or from behind.

 

So what I see should be added is a mode where the player gets to choose what they want to do. Either turn into a porno, or lay there and take the inglorious rape because they've been defeated.

 

I've had these various mods installed for about a month now and I think whats bothered me the most is the animations. They're sex animations, they're not Rape animations. If you're going to trigger a series of animations yhou should have them start out violent...

 

For example:

Animation #1: The man delivers a series of brutal punches/slaps to the woman's face.

Animetion #2: The man flips the girl/over (front or back) and gets on her, maybe covers her mouth or puts a dagger to her throat.

Animation #3: He does his dirty deed.

Animation #4: He finishes, gets off of her and then returns to standard Oblivion NPC Mode.

 

Side effects: These should just be hits to Personality and Endurance. Perhaps strength too. I like having to go to a Church to get them to be repaired (Ala LandE realism edition). But a couple others would be okay alternatives to the holy roller route. Maybe, return to your home and just sleep them off if you're PC isn't a religious type.

 

I don't know, I'll end my rant. Just my thoughts.

[/quote']

 

I agree, and I think we should throw away RaperS completely. It doesn't make sense. If we fix LandE, then enemies will rape us when we are close to death and they'll use dialogue. Then, components from TrueCrime will continue with the rape, but with TrueCrime's animations as they are the best ones for rape. For creatures, they'll just rape us regardless. If you are raped when near death, your not going to be able to resist so you are prone to any position. However, cowgirl animations are too sporadic, or too happy for real rape. The victim would not have a happy face on or would be to weak do any of the work at that position.

If anyone agrees, we should join up and do something, instead of just wishing for it.

 

[Old Book]

To me' date=' its so very clearly obvious that these mods where made by men. You're not being raped in Oblivion with these mods, you're activating "Pizza Delivery Boy Porno Mode"

[/quote']

 

While I pretty much agree that Lovers Rape is Sex Fantasy Rape (just as Lovers Sex is mostly almost consequence free Fantasy sex, and Oblivion is a mostly a fun but goofy fantasy world), I do know female modders working on sex mods. I don't think any were directly involved in LoversRapers, but rape is a common sex fantasy for men and women. Note: Fantasy. Real rape is nothing like fantasy rape.

 

And that's not a criticism. Lovers is what it is, and I like the Anime Pornoverse / Erotic Fantasy world it builds or I wouldn't use the mods.

 

Usually when we talk about more "realistic" rape, we're really talking about how we want the fantasy to go. "I want to see my character thrown roughly to the ground. Then, he should tear her clothes off and call her names. That's much more realistic!" Nevermind that it's in the middle of combat, or that there are guards and bystanders right there, or that he's going to just let your character get up and kill him in a minute. Or that it's a "realistic" Orc raping a "realistic" Lop Eared Elf.

 

Whatever. I try never to tell someone his fantasy is wrong, as there's no right or wrong in fantasy. It's just fantasy. And there's no point in arguing on the Internet; you can't force an ignoramus to admit he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Phelps1247]

The thing I find odd about them is the girl having an orgasm. Maybe if she had a lot of sex already but otherwise I don't think they'd be having them while raped. Especially if it's one of those that counts virginity. A girl having 2 orgasms her first time while raped? I don't think so. More likely to throw up or pass out from pain than cum.

[GrimReaper]

The thing I find odd about them is the girl having an orgasm. Maybe if she had a lot of sex already but otherwise I don't think they'd be having them while raped. Especially if it's one of those that counts virginity. A girl having 2 orgasms her first time while raped? I don't think so. More likely to throw up or pass out from pain than cum.

 

That's the japanese hentai logic for you. Which basically says that every female is a giant slut who always craves for cock. That's why you can't really call it rape imo, it's more like "sex you didn't know you wanted".

 

If that's your kind of fancy then it's fine and all, but I don't think it fits very well with Oblivion. That's why I made this thread in the first place.

[Guest]

The thing I find odd about them is the girl having an orgasm. Maybe if she had a lot of sex already but otherwise I don't think they'd be having them while raped. Especially if it's one of those that counts virginity. A girl having 2 orgasms her first time while raped? I don't think so. More likely to throw up or pass out from pain than cum.

 

That's the japanese hentai logic for you. Which basically says that every female is a giant slut who always craves for cock. That's why you can't really call it rape imo' date=' it's more like "sex you didn't know you wanted".

 

If that's your kind of fancy then it's fine and all, but I don't think it fits very well with Oblivion. That's why I made this thread in the first place.

[/quote']

 

I agree with this. It's just a matter of tweaking the rape animations so that the girl doesn't look like she's enjoying it. There are already different sounds for rape and consensual and you can have different animations for rape too, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Phelps1247]

Not that it's much better logic over here. Go to the Godess store and it's nearly all D-H cup stuff. x.x Which kind of further breaks immersion when it's removed if not actually using one of those bodies.