Fallout 4 TV Series!

[maddadicusrex]

 

Not sure it is going to be watchable?

[pinky6225]

Can never tell until you watch it

 

The article the presenter dude keeps referring to seems to have an odd view of the brotherhood of steel though as there goal in the early fallout games (especially tactics) was more about acquiring and preserving technology (so i'd not find it hard to believe they had shot there way through a tribal village to get at some old world tech) and less about trying to be the saviours of the wasteland like they are portrayed in fallout 4 (least in there own eyes)

 

Also do wonder how they intend to do "social commentary" when the fallout universe is kinda a fork off from the 1950's world and has also been blown to hell so the vast majority of wasters in the 2280's are going to have little to no knowledge of what occurred in the past to cause social issues

 

The brief mention of the vaulters as the "haves" of society kinda ignores the whole idea of the entire vault scheme being a giant play ground for weird experiments and i'd doubt many would willingly volunteer to be a vault-tec test subject if they'd known that was going to happen

Edited December 4, 2023 by pinky6225

[shoopdawhoop]

Thequartering is a fucking brainworm-riddled alt right dipshit, disregard his opinion or that of anyone who watches his content

 

new trailer looks promising

 

[BAB PEEG]

It's a tv show about a video game of course it's going to be shit.

[izzyknows]

On 12/4/2023 at 1:08 PM, maddadicusrex said:

Not sure it is going to be watchable?

I kinda liked the fan made version. A bit corny, yet entertaining. But coming from Amazon... dunno.. will have to wait and see for myself.

[Captain Cobra]

Amazon original and Netflix original are the new Direct2DVD in terms of everything.

[travelmedic]

I have high hopes but low expectations.  I really want this to be good, but I'm afraid I'll be disappointed.

 

The Witcher series on Netflix started off strong but got so bad the main star quit.  Rings of Power on Amazon should be a huge hit, but isn't.  Game of Thrones started strong and went downhill, is House of the Dragon doing any better?

 

Still, I'll watch it come April and hope for the best.

[Miauzi]

 

Am 04.12.2023 um 20:47 Uhr sagte pinky6225:

Das kann man erst sagen, wenn man es sieht

 

Der Artikel, auf den sich der Moderator immer wieder bezieht, scheint jedoch eine seltsame Sicht auf die Brotherhood of Steel zu haben, da ihr Ziel in den frühen Fallout-Spielen (insbesondere Taktiken) mehr darin bestand, Technologie zu erwerben und zu bewahren (also fällt es mir nicht schwer, das zu glauben). Sie waren durch ein Stammesdorf geschossen, um an irgendeine Technologie der alten Welt zu gelangen) und weniger darum, die Retter des Ödlandes zu sein, wie sie in Fallout 4 dargestellt werden (zumindest in ihren eigenen Augen).

 

Ich frage mich auch, wie sie vorhaben, „soziale Kommentare“ abzugeben, wenn das Fallout-Universum sozusagen ein Ableger der Welt der 1950er Jahre ist und ebenfalls in die Hölle gesprengt wurde, so dass die überwiegende Mehrheit der Verschwender in den 2280er Jahren kaum oder gar keine Ahnung davon haben wird was in der Vergangenheit passiert ist und soziale Probleme verursacht hat

 

Die kurze Erwähnung der Voltigierer als die „Besitzenden“ der Gesellschaft ignoriert irgendwie die ganze Idee, dass das gesamte Vault-System ein riesiger Spielplatz für seltsame Experimente ist, und ich bezweifle, dass sich viele bereitwillig als Vault-Tec-Testperson melden würden, wenn sie das tun würden Ich hatte gewusst, dass das passieren würde

 

You should really play Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 - before making statements like that about the Brotherhood.

And in Fallout 4, the Brotherhood is campaigning against a group - "The Institute" - that is technologically far superior to them.

The fact that they present themselves as "saviors of the wasteland" is just a pure propaganda stunt - because they have a typical problem of all invader armies -> the lack of logistics - which causes them to plunder the resources they need from the local population.

That's why in Fallout 4 they have become exactly who they never wanted to be when they were founded in 2078!

 

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Visually, the universe of 2077/78 - which is the basis of the post-nuclear look - is based on our 1950s - but not technologically.

So you always find references to something comparable to an "Internet" - but which has no graphical user interface... and is therefore comparable to the APC from the 1980s/90s.

In a vault there is a publicly accessible "intranet" - also a "social" exchange of information.

 

Life in the vaults only appears marginally in the previous Fallout parts... only Fallout 3 goes a little deeper.

Of course, the vaults shown in the game are far too small to be sustainable over several generations.

But this is mainly due to the limitations of the “engine” used!

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Otherwise:

The less the lie baron Todd H. has to say in production - the better this series can be.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Miauzi

[pinky6225]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

 

You should really play Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 - before making statements like that about the Brotherhood.

And in Fallout 4, the Brotherhood is campaigning against a group - "The Institute" - that is technologically far superior to them.

The fact that they present themselves as "saviors of the wasteland" is just a pure propaganda stunt - because they have a typical problem of all invader armies -> the lack of logistics - which causes them to plunder the resources they need from the local population.

That's why in Fallout 4 they have become exactly who they never wanted to be when they were founded in 2078!

 

---

Visually, the universe of 2077/78 - which is the basis of the post-nuclear look - is based on our 1950s - but not technologically.

So you always find references to something comparable to an "Internet" - but which has no graphical user interface... and is therefore comparable to the APC from the 1980s/90s.

In a vault there is a publicly accessible "intranet" - also a "social" exchange of information.

 

Life in the vaults only appears marginally in the previous Fallout parts... only Fallout 3 goes a little deeper.

Of course, the vaults shown in the game are far too small to be sustainable over several generations.

But this is mainly due to the limitations of the “engine” used!

---

Otherwise:

The less the lie baron Todd H. has to say in production - the better this series can be.

 

I've played Fallout 1 and 2 and in neither are the brotherhood of steel really doing anything to help the people of the wastelands, the only time they really get involved is in fallout 3 as they themselves are threatened by the enclave which is pretty much the same in fallout 4 as they see the institute as a threat

[Miauzi]

Vor 28 Minuten sagte pinky6225:

 

Ich habe Fallout 1 und 2 gespielt und in keinem von beiden unternimmt die Brotherhood of Steel wirklich etwas, um den Menschen im Ödland zu helfen. Das einzige Mal, dass sie sich wirklich engagieren, ist in Fallout 3, da sie selbst von der Enklave bedroht werden, was ziemlich gefährlich ist Das Gleiche gilt für Fallout 4, da sie das Institut als Bedrohung betrachten

 

Then I played a completely different Fallout 1 and 2 than you... well - that's just how it is in life

[katrina.balanchuk]

oxhorn who is often pro bethesda seems to think it will be an orgy of lore breaking:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by katrina.balanchuk

[liniul]

 

 

The first episode is long 1.5 hrs and it was a bit hard going at first and of course you are worried its going to degenerate into some 

god awful woke piece of Hollywood garbage. Well it did not at least in the first episode. After  1/2 hour or so I got into it and 

the rest of the episode flew by.

 

 

The movie did not going out of its way to make men or white people look stupid . The main character is a girl who is not  is not a rug muncher (not that there is anything wrong with that its just it gets tiring when its every 2nd female character in Hollywood), or  a trannie, or  aMary sue . Many of the character are likeable and have flaws .The ghoul character is funny but a bit vain.

 

You are introduced to main character a women who leaves vault 33 after her father is kidnapped, a ghoul living in the wasteland who was a famous movie star before the war,  a boss squire going on his first patrol .

 

I love the sets they made , the bos flying in the vertibirds look so  good, the vaults  look really good . It appears whomever 

made the film is a fan of the franchise. I have not seen any super mutants or rad roaches or any wasteland wild like I hope they 

do a good job with that.

 

In short it good fun  and  I just hope it does not degenerate from something worth watching to garbage like the witcher

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte liniul:

 

 

Die erste Folge ist 1,5 Stunden lang und war anfangs etwas schwierig, und natürlich hat man Angst, dass es zu langweilig wird 

Gott, schrecklich aufgewachtes Stück Hollywood-Müll. Zumindest in der ersten Folge war das nicht der Fall. Nach ungefähr einer halben Stunde habe ich mich darauf eingelassen und 

Der Rest der Folge verging wie im Flug.

 

 

Der Film hat sich nicht die Mühe gemacht, Männer oder Weiße dumm dastehen zu lassen. Die Hauptfigur ist ein Mädchen, das keine Teppichfresserin ist (nicht, dass daran etwas auszusetzen wäre, es wird nur ermüdend, wenn es in Hollywood jede zweite weibliche Figur ist), oder eine Transe oder Mary Sue. Viele der Charaktere sind sympathisch und haben Fehler. Der Ghul-Charakter ist lustig, aber ein bisschen eitel.

 

Sie werden mit der Hauptfigur bekannt gemacht: einer Frau, die Tresor 33 verlässt, nachdem ihr Vater entführt wurde, einem im Ödland lebenden Ghul, der vor dem Krieg ein berühmter Filmstar war, und einem Boßknappen, der auf seine erste Patrouille geht.

 

Ich liebe die Sets, die sie gemacht haben, die Bos, die in den Vertibirds fliegen, sehen so gut aus, die Gewölbe sehen wirklich gut aus. Es erscheint wem auch immer 

der den Film gemacht hat, ist ein Fan der Franchise. Ich habe keine Supermutanten oder radikalen Kakerlaken oder eine wilde Einöde gesehen, wie ich es mir erhoffe 

mach einen guten Job damit.

 

Kurz gesagt, es macht viel Spaß und ich hoffe nur, dass es nicht von etwas Sehenswertem zu Schrott wie „The Witcher“ verkommt

 

Actually, you could have been full of your little Nazi references... ever thought about it - that half of humanity is female... so why shouldn't the biological cross-section of humanity be depicted in a TV series. .. "oops - just don't show a bad tranny - otherwise I'll turn off the otherwise good series!"

You would have fit wonderfully into this fictional pre-war period *sarcasm*

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otherwise to the series:

My wife and I have now seen all the parts and are completely thrilled (but for completely different reasons than the user I quoted!)

As a note - it takes place AFTER the events of Fallout 4 and Mr. Asshole Todd H. is not a real keeper of the Fallout lore... going into more detail would be a spoiler - but anyone who has played Fallout 1 and 2 should pay close attention and ultimately NOT lose your temper

In the final two episodes, the true secret behind the 2077 nuclear bomb case and the Vaults will be revealed - and what role the Ghoul Headhunter played in it all... and his behavior towards everyone else will become more than plausible

[liniul]

 

 

Actually, you could have been full of your little Nazi references  . Nazi references Where? 

 

that half of humanity is female... so why shouldn't the biological cross-section of humanity be depicted in a TV series? Never suggested otherwise just sick of transsexualism, and homosexually having to be central to every 

single movie/ tv series  in Hollywood ! Perhaps an analogy would help your understanding If all you go served 

was strawberry flavoured ice cream you would get sick of it really fast

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2024 by liniul

[Guest]

4 hours ago, liniul said:

I have not seen any rad roaches

Well, you did seem to imply you've seen only the first episode.

 

On a more general note, it has stuff in it that in my opinion puts it in an alternate timeline, in terms of canon. This has no bearing on whether or not I like it. My hope going in was that it would be better than The Rings of Power. I had no hope it would be as good as The Expanse.

 

It is better than The Rings of Power and not as good as The Expanse. Saying a show is better than The Rings of Power is like saying "He's the nicest torturer in the medieval dungeon." Walt Groggins is without a doubt the best thing in the show, but the other two main characters are OK, too. There is a non-binary character played by I believe a non-binary actor, which some people probably burst a gasket over, but  fuck them. We should be at the point where a non-binary actor playing a non-binary character is as noteworthy as a black actor playing a black character.

 

Not sure why lesbian or trans characters, or lack of them, would be worthy of comment. But it is good  the female protag is not a Mary Sue.

 

EDIT: Now I see. You are engaging in an outrageous level of exaggeration.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[Miauzi]

Vor 15 Minuten sagte Branmakmuffin:

Nun ja, Sie scheinen anzudeuten, dass Sie nur die erste Folge gesehen haben.

 

Allgemeiner gesagt enthält es Dinge, die es meiner Meinung nach kanonisch in eine andere Zeitlinie stellen. Das hat keinen Einfluss darauf, ob es mir gefällt oder nicht. Meine Hoffnung war, dass es besser sein würde als „ Die Ringe der Macht“ . Ich hatte keine Hoffnung, dass es so gut sein würde wie The Expanse .

 

Es ist besser als „Die Ringe der Macht“ und nicht so gut wie „Die Weite“ . Zu sagen, eine Serie sei besser als „ Ringe der Macht“, ist so, als würde man sagen: „Er ist der netteste Folterer im mittelalterlichen Kerker.“ Walt Groggins ist zweifellos das Beste in der Serie, aber auch die anderen beiden Hauptcharaktere sind in Ordnung. Es gibt einen nicht-binären Charakter, der, glaube ich, von einem nicht-binären Schauspieler gespielt wird, worüber einige Leute wahrscheinlich die Dichtung platzen lassen, aber scheiß drauf. Wir sollten an dem Punkt angelangt sein, an dem ein nicht-binärer Schauspieler, der einen nicht-binären Charakter spielt, genauso bemerkenswert ist wie ein schwarzer Schauspieler, der einen schwarzen Charakter spielt.

 

Ich bin mir nicht sicher, warum lesbische oder transsexuelle Charaktere oder deren Fehlen einen Kommentar wert wären. Aber es ist gut, dass die weibliche Protagonistin keine Mary Sue ist.

 

I actually had to read up on what the term "Mary Sue" means... what absolute bullshit - luckily I come from a society that has managed without "supermen"... because when a man acts like that, it's apparently okay ... or have I missed something fundamental?

[calvin_0]

29 minutes ago, branmakmuffin said:

Not sure why lesbian or trans characters, or lack of them, would be worthy of comment. But it is good  the female protag is not a Mary Sue.

 

because that is current year hollywood moving making principle... as the meme goes,  "put a chick in it and make it gay and lame"...

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

I actually had to read up on what the term "Mary Sue" means... what absolute bullshit - luckily I come from a society that has managed without "supermen"... because when a man acts like that, it's apparently okay ... or have I missed something fundamental?

I am not entirely sure what you are driving at. I said that, in my opinion, Lucy is not a Mary Sue, which is good. Mary Sue characters are boring. Superman is boring. You seem to be saying that Mary Sue characters are bullshit. "No Mary Sue" = "no Mary Sue bullshit." What is it you think you might have missed?

 

  

8 minutes ago, calvin_0 said:

because that is current year hollywood moving making principle... as the meme goes,  "put a chick in it and make it gay and lame"...

Well, if it's a meme, it must be so.

 

"Mountain out of a mole hill," "tempest in a tea cup." These sayings, these memes, if you will, spring to mind.

 

EDIT: At this point I'm seriously hoping Fallout features a trans lesbian in season 2. So we can all see it doesn't presage the end of civilization.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[calvin_0]

5 minutes ago, branmakmuffin said:

 

Well, if it's a meme, it must be so.

 

"Mountain out of a mole hill," "tempest in a tea cup." These sayings, these memes, if you will, spring to mind.

 

well meme are rooted in truth.... especially if you been paying attention to what hollywood do these past few years... especially disney and it's child company like lucas film or marvel studio... and it also doesnt help that whatever that has infected hollywood has now infected the gaming industry and is trying to infect the manga and anime industry as well...

 

that is why whenever there is a woman on the cover, the fandom would start to be very caution about that thing...

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, calvin_0 said:

 

well meme are rooted in truth.... especially if you been paying attention to what hollywood do these past few years... especially disney and it's child company like lucas film or marvel studio... and it also doesnt help that whatever that has infected hollywood has now infected the gaming industry and is trying to infect the manga and anime industry as well...

 

that is why whenever there is a woman on the cover, the fandom would start to be very caution about that thing...

I see we have reached "agree to disagree" stage. Good luck in your future endeavors.

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Minuten sagte branmakmuffin:

Ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher, worauf Sie hinaus wollen. Ich sagte, dass Lucy meiner Meinung nach keine Mary Sue ist, was gut ist. Mary Sue-Charaktere sind langweilig. Superman ist langweilig. Du scheinst zu sagen, dass Mary-Sue-Charaktere Blödsinn sind. „No Mary Sue“ = „Kein Mary-Sue-Bullshit.“ Was haben Sie Ihrer Meinung nach übersehen?

 

The fact that this term even exists is complete nonsense to me - because it automatically has a negative connotation... if it were all a man that "Mary Sue" stands for - that would be completely okay in conservative society - hence the reference to "Superman"

(Yes, there are terms like "Marty Sue" and "Gary Stu" - but in the end hardly any male conservatives are offended by that!)

Here's a quote from the Wiki article about it:

Zitat

“Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship.”

 

yes, yes - I know - there is "Supergirl" - his LITTLE sister... but if she had been considered his BIG sister - there would never have been a single comic publication.

But even if you were to leave out all the terminology around "Mary Sue" - there is hardly an actual "spiritual light" to be found in the entire Vault 33 (quote from my father - a teacher for 35 years) ... that wouldn't even be included in the concept of this one 3 connected vaults fit!

Like me, you probably saw this until the last episode - so you know the function of these vaults... they are not intended to "breed" independent reconquerors of the wasteland.

In this respect, her character is much more profound and believable than, for example, the "squire" from the brotherhood - he has an extremely thin and really absurd origin story... you should consider where the NCR was founded - i.e. the home village of the first president Tandi really lay.

 

 

 

 

[calvin_0]

1 minute ago, branmakmuffin said:

I see we have reached "agree to disagree" stage. Good luck in your future endeavors.

 

i'm not really trying to argue, just trying to explain why people think that way...  you'll act that way too if you have experience the same thing that those people experience... the experience of having the thing that you love get ruined for the sake of political messaging... ghostbusters fans have ghostbusters 2016, he-man fans have he-man revelation, star wars fans have disney star wars, indiana jones fans have dial of destiny... scooby doo fans have velma, LOTR fans have ring of power, marvel fans have whatever marvel studio is been doing since end game...

 

so i dont blame fallout fandom from getting really jumpy with the new fallout tv show when they can see what been happening to other fandom... 

[Miauzi]

Vor 10 Minuten sagte calvin_0:

 

Nun ja, Meme haben ihre Wurzeln in der Wahrheit... vor allem, wenn man darauf geachtet hat, was Hollywood in den letzten Jahren gemacht hat... vor allem Disney und seine Kinderunternehmen wie Lucas Film oder Marvel Studio... und es hilft auch nicht, was auch immer das ist hat Hollywood infiziert, hat jetzt die Spieleindustrie infiziert und versucht, auch die Manga- und Anime-Industrie zu infizieren ...

 

Aus diesem Grund ist die Fangemeinde immer dann sehr vorsichtig, wenn auf dem Cover eine Frau zu sehen ist …

 

Which fan base?

Those of the "old white men" - who can also be biologically 14 years old??

There have always been real female heroes in manga and anime - just look at "Ghost in the Shell"... the "Major" easily "pockets" any of their male team members.

[calvin_0]

4 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Which fan base?

Those of the "old white men" - who can also be biologically 14 years old??

There have always been real female heroes in manga and anime - just look at "Ghost in the Shell"... the "Major" easily "pockets" any of their male team members.

 

check my post above... also those old white men is also the paying customer of those fandom... there is a reason why disney star wars toy doesnt sell... because those old white men stop buying them.

 

 

also it's not about having female character... it's about having female character for the sake of having female character... nobody complain when anime have focus on female character because those are good character... like Frieren which feature 2 main female character... but the focus arent because those 2 are female character... meanwhile compare that with ghostbusters 2016 or the new upcoming star wars outlaw game..

Edited April 16, 2024 by calvin_0

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Minute sagte calvin_0:

 

Ich versuche nicht wirklich zu argumentieren, sondern nur zu erklären, warum die Leute so denken ... Sie werden sich auch so verhalten, wenn Sie das Gleiche erlebt haben wie diese Leute ... die Erfahrung, das zu haben, was Sie haben Liebe wird ruiniert, um politische Botschaften zu verbreiten ... Ghostbusters-Fans haben Ghostbusters 2016, He-Man-Fans haben He-Man-Offenbarung, Star Wars-Fans haben Disney Star Wars, Indiana Jones-Fans haben Dial of Destiny ... Scooby Doo-Fans haben Velma, LOTR-Fans haben Ring of Power, Marvel-Fans haben alles, was Marvel Studio seit dem Ende des Spiels macht ...

 

Daher kann ich es dem Fallout-Fandom nicht verübeln, dass es bei der neuen Fallout-TV-Show richtig nervös wird, wenn sie sehen können, was mit dem anderen Fandom passiert ist ... 

 

The only one spreading political messages here is you - because you can't stand the fact that women are starting to shake the pedestal of male superiority.

And you speak for a small but very contentious male minority... in the Fallout universe there has always been the possibility of playing a female main character - but one who takes different approaches to solving problems than the male muscle man.

In "Fallout 1" it didn't matter whether you were a male or female bunker resident - the lone hiker with his "dogmet" was never determined by gender.