Fallout 4 TV Series!

[legiongrunt]

Fuck by a raider in Episode 1,AAF mod installed.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, NotKinkyEnough said:

watched it once, will watch again. I want to discuss some aspects which would be of interest to this community so in spoilers

 

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She was tied to some 'scenery' and thought she was being tortured by being dunked in water - infact she was used as bait.

 

I can't quite see what I quoted from your spoilers working in the game.

Spoiler

Your character is captured instead of killed. Then used as bait to, let's say, lure out a deathclaw. During this time, the player just sits and watches. Then what? All goes as planned and the deathclaw is captured or killed? Then it happens all over again, every time the player just sits and watches? This starts to get into game design philosophy.

 

In a game, the player, acting through their character, has to  have agency. Agency versus lack of agency is what distinguishes a game from a visual novel.

 

If someone likes the idea of a visual novel, that's fine for them. It's not something I want to experience when I am playing a game.

 

[Miauzi]

Am 02.05.2024 um 21:23 Uhr sagte misterpipes:

Völlig unglaubliche Show. Es basiert auf keinen Fall auf Fallout. Ich habe es 8 Stunden lang angeschaut und es ist kein einziges Mal abgestürzt. Zum ersten Mal seit langem freue ich mich tatsächlich auf eine zweite Staffel.

 

Persönlich fand ich die BoS-Darstellung ziemlich gut. Besser organisierte Retter mit größeren Waffen und besserer Panzerung. Sicher, einige glauben vielleicht an die Ideale der BoS, aber andere werden sich nicht darum kümmern (ich möchte hier nur anmerken, dass die BoS in FO3 eine Abweichung darstellt, mit ihrer aktiven Rekrutierung von Mitgliedern und dem tatsächlichen Versuch, sie zu verteidigen Ödland, und der eigentliche BoS in FO3 sind die Outcasts).

 

 

 

The Brotherhood has ALWAYS been looking for recruits among "wasteland dwellers" - it's been that way since "Fallout 1"!

Then again there are phases in which she "isolates" herself and looks for new blood from her own ranks - see "Fallout NV".

The BoS in "Fallout 3" is not really an exception - but its leader has certainly gone further with the support of the "wasteland residents" than anyone before him... in principle, the "statutes" allow such action - but in "Fallout 4" gives you an unvarnished inside view of this troop - which, in its racism and willingness to use violence, is an image of the German "Schutzstaffel" from the fascist era of 1933-1945... right down to their bizarre "mysticism".

In this respect, the BoS in the TV series is very well done!

[misterpipes]

On 5/8/2024 at 7:07 PM, branmakmuffin said:

That does not jibe with the Brotherhood as depicted in 3 (Outcast or Citadel), NV or 4 (especially 4), in my opinion

The BoS in FO3 are an anomaly. Sent to the Capital Wasteland by Eastern BoS, Lyons decided that rather than follow the mission to steal everyones tech, they decided to actually try and help the local settlements instead. And got cut off from the the Eastern BoS for thier troubles. FO3 BoS do not represent the way the BoS normally operates. They are still assholes to ghouls though.
The Outcasts are much closer, although not really developed as much. The big interaction with them is in Operation Achorage, where you help the Outcasts gain access to some tech. In return thier commander will let you take some of the recovered tech for yourself (hello, Chinese Stealth Armour). This results in the other three Outcast Knights deciding to murder him and you. So while the commander shows that standard BoS can be reasonable; the rank and file trying to murder someone that helped them complete thier mission shows the attitude ingrained into the BoS.

 

In FNV, most of the BoS stuff about attitudes is background material. The BoS had been fighting the NCR for decades, and losing, all over the Botherhoods insistance that the NCR not use technology. The Mojave chapter has been reduced to hiding in a bunker and sending out raiding patrols, not exactly the activity of a group willing to work with others.

 

FO4 has Danse, which is why most players think the BoS there are the good guys. However, of the various things you can find out, and what they ask you to do paint a much less good view of the BoS. Like threatening a local settlement for food. They aren't willing to help defend the settlement, or even pay the going rate. Or how happy they are that its just the locals dying in the BoS' war against the Institute (conversation with a BoS member if you do the Minuteman ending). And then theres the Prydwen. Its fusion plant was taken from an aircraft carrier wreakage. I'm sure the people of Rivet City where very happy to hand over the power supply for thier city. Which does make me wonder if the free purified water is still a thing, or if the BoS holds that over the inhabitants of the Capital Wasteland. The BoS of FO4 are not a group of honourable knights protecting the Commonwealth, they are an invasion force.
The Brotherhood are very happy to take, not so much to give. Scavengers do that. So do raiders.

[steelpanther24]

Just having finished the first season, I have to wonder if this will be considered canon, as it is from BGS.  

 

Spoiler

I like the approach mentioned above that this is a parallel timeline, but I can see the destruction of Shady Sands was meant to be a bit of a blow to all of us who helped Shady Sands became the NCR.  Also seeing the NCR, as a whole, beaten was another blow (helped them in FO2).   

 

I thought the series was decent enough and though @branmakmuffin have had our disagreements, his description (better than Rings of Power (easy to do) but not as good as The Expanse) is a pretty good assessment, though just to be different, I will say it is not as good as Breaking Bad.

 

One bad thing though is that this series may only appeal to people who have played FO.    I thought Hitman was a good movie, but I was biased because I played the games.    I want to like 1883 because it appears that it is building off of RDR2 (haven;t seen it yet).  

 

Finally, there aren't many good PC games that turned into good shows/movies, making this one, imo, a rare gem.

[misterpipes]

12 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

One bad thing though is that this series may only appeal to people who have played FO.

While theres always a risk that the seires will only attach FO fans, I'll offer this (admittable singular) counter:
My mum, whose entire gaming experience is playing iPad games with my brothers toddlers to keep them entertained, and who has no interest in PC gaming, let alone Bethesda games, said to me, after watching the series (before I even got to watch): "It was good. Can't wait to see what happens next."

So maybe this time it will just work.

Edited May 12, 2024 by misterpipes

[Blastik1]

On 5/12/2024 at 8:22 AM, steelpanther24 said:

Just having finished the first season, I have to wonder if this will be considered canon, as it is from BGS.  

 

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I like the approach mentioned above that this is a parallel timeline, but I can see the destruction of Shady Sands was meant to be a bit of a blow to all of us who helped Shady Sands became the NCR.  Also seeing the NCR, as a whole, beaten was another blow (helped them in FO2).   

 

I thought the series was decent enough and though @branmakmuffin have had our disagreements, his description (better than Rings of Power (easy to do) but not as good as The Expanse) is a pretty good assessment, though just to be different, I will say it is not as good as Breaking Bad.

 

One bad thing though is that this series may only appeal to people who have played FO.    I thought Hitman was a good movie, but I was biased because I played the games.    I want to like 1883 because it appears that it is building off of RDR2 (haven;t seen it yet).  

 

Finally, there aren't many good PC games that turned into good shows/movies, making this one, imo, a rare gem.

This is purely heresay, but I have heard loads of accounts of Fallout players introducing "normies" to the show who enjoyed it. It will also be pulling in people who like Ella Purnel, Walton Gogins, Matt Berry, and all the other high profile actors involved who have big, dedicated followings.

 

I think the sense of fun and escapism the average "punter" sees in the first episode will probably draw them in. If they enjoy good old fashioned adventure, action and entertainment they will likely enjoy it regardless of in-jokes, lore etc (They probably didn't drop to their knees and point at the sky like they'd scored the winning goal in a world cup final when they saw the closing shot of the season like a lot of Fallout fans did though...).

 

[Grey Cloud]

On 5/12/2024 at 8:22 AM, steelpanther24 said:

(better than Rings of Power (easy to do)

Coming to a TV near you 29th August. 😬

[Guest]

On 5/11/2024 at 6:25 AM, misterpipes said:

FO4 has Danse, which is why most players think the BoS there are the good guys. However, of the various things you can find out, and what they ask you to do paint a much less good view of the BoS. Like threatening a local settlement for food. They aren't willing to help defend the settlement, or even pay the going rate. Or how happy they are that its just the locals dying in the BoS' war against the Institute (conversation with a BoS member if you do the Minuteman ending). And then theres the Prydwen. Its fusion plant was taken from an aircraft carrier wreakage. I'm sure the people of Rivet City where very happy to hand over the power supply for thier city. Which does make me wonder if the free purified water is still a thing, or if the BoS holds that over the inhabitants of the Capital Wasteland. The BoS of FO4 are not a group of honourable knights protecting the Commonwealth, they are an invasion force.

The Brotherhood are very happy to take, not so much to give. Scavengers do that. So do raiders.

You sure "most players" think the Brotherhood are "good guys" in FO4?

 

They are much  better organized and military-like in 3, NV and 4 compared to the rag-tag batch of chuckleheads with helicopters they are shown to be in the series. In the series, they do indeed seem to be what Gunners are described as in FO4: raiders with better armor.

[Faldegast]

On 5/11/2024 at 3:25 PM, misterpipes said:

The BoS in FO3 are an anomaly. Sent to the Capital Wasteland by Eastern BoS, Lyons decided that rather than follow the mission to steal everyones tech, they decided to actually try and help the local settlements instead. And got cut off from the the Eastern BoS for thier troubles. FO3 BoS do not represent the way the BoS normally operates. They are still assholes to ghouls though.
The Outcasts are much closer, although not really developed as much. The big interaction with them is in Operation Achorage, where you help the Outcasts gain access to some tech. In return thier commander will let you take some of the recovered tech for yourself (hello, Chinese Stealth Armour). This results in the other three Outcast Knights deciding to murder him and you. So while the commander shows that standard BoS can be reasonable; the rank and file trying to murder someone that helped them complete thier mission shows the attitude ingrained into the BoS.

 

In FNV, most of the BoS stuff about attitudes is background material. The BoS had been fighting the NCR for decades, and losing, all over the Botherhoods insistance that the NCR not use technology. The Mojave chapter has been reduced to hiding in a bunker and sending out raiding patrols, not exactly the activity of a group willing to work with others.

 

FO4 has Danse, which is why most players think the BoS there are the good guys. However, of the various things you can find out, and what they ask you to do paint a much less good view of the BoS. Like threatening a local settlement for food. They aren't willing to help defend the settlement, or even pay the going rate. Or how happy they are that its just the locals dying in the BoS' war against the Institute (conversation with a BoS member if you do the Minuteman ending). And then theres the Prydwen. Its fusion plant was taken from an aircraft carrier wreakage. I'm sure the people of Rivet City where very happy to hand over the power supply for thier city. Which does make me wonder if the free purified water is still a thing, or if the BoS holds that over the inhabitants of the Capital Wasteland. The BoS of FO4 are not a group of honourable knights protecting the Commonwealth, they are an invasion force.
The Brotherhood are very happy to take, not so much to give. Scavengers do that. So do raiders.

Fo4 BoS came solely to investigate strange energy readings which turned out to be the Institute teleportation device. They then proceeded to declare war on them, even using a giant robot. They never had any intention in fighting for the people or make life easier altho they did fight super mutants, ghouls, various other monsters. Means to an end to squeeze the local settlements for resources in the name of protecting them from the terrors of technology and hinder the Institute from replacing mankind with Synths. Fo4 Bos are not invaders, they are there to steal tech then leave for another destination.

[Faldegast]

11 hours ago, branmakmuffin said:

You sure "most players" think the Brotherhood are "good guys" in FO4?

 

They are much  better organized and military-like in 3, NV and 4 compared to the rag-tag batch of chuckleheads with helicopters they are shown to be in the series. In the series, they do indeed seem to be what Gunners are described as in FO4: raiders with better armor.

I usually join BoS in Fo4 be cause they got cool things like power armor and gatling lasers. So what if they are a bunch of ruffians? playing Fallout doesn't make you the good guy/girl. it makes you to a survivor who picks a side and everyone else be damned.

[Miauzi]

Vor 15 Minuten sagte Faldegast:

Normalerweise schließe ich mich BoS in Fo4 an, weil sie coole Dinge wie Powerrüstungen und Gatling-Laser haben. Was also, wenn es sich um einen Haufen Raufbolde handelt? Das Spielen von Fallout macht dich nicht zum guten Kerl/zur guten Frau. Es macht dich zu einem Überlebenden, der sich für eine Seite entscheidet und alle anderen verdammt.

 

because of cool things - well - in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 there was no way around the BoS to complete the main plot of the game... but you could still call them "the good guys".

But at the latest with the founding of the NRK, a technologically equivalent power had emerged - whose military had a social "superstructure" (for the purpose of controlling it).

The BoS doesn't have this "superstructure" at all - it worked well as long as it was the only (known) power with high technology in the territory of the former USA.

With the appearance of the Enclave in Fallout 2, the original goals of the BoS had become obsolete - but without a "superstructure" it could not set itself new goals... and ultimately became a brake on the reconstruction of civilization.

In the end, they are just bandits with fancy armor and weapons... nothing more... unable to adapt to reality!

(The conversation between "Veronika" and the BOS boss in "Fallout NV" sums it up)

[Raven 54]

I just finished watching what is currently available on Prime Video/Amazon, Wow...Colorful in Language & Blood.

I did not think I would like it from watching the previews but I did enjoy it, Coop, Max & Lucy were good characters although I am tired of the "Black man Angst" that Hollywood seems to think every black man should have, there was not enough of Max's backstory to warrant his beat down attitude or why he is treated this way.

Coop was "Fleshed" out fairly well as to his backstory, Lucy had no History and could have been spawned yesterday for all I saw.

I loved the way the Women dressed, so sexy, so stylish, so classy.

What is the deal with Coop, the meds he is inhaling to keep him from going feral? Is this in a previous game or introduced by Hollywood?

I have only played F4 so I have only this game to base my opinion on.

All in All I thought most of the show was well done, enough so that I will watch a second time to pick up parts that I may have missed in the first setting.

I have not read the previous pages as I wanted no spoilers on the show, so now I will back up and read them.

Edited May 30, 2024 by Raven 54

[Miauzi]

1 minute ago, Raven 54 said:

Ich habe gerade zu Ende geschaut, was derzeit auf Prime Video/Amazon verfügbar ist, Wow ... Farbenfroh in Sprache und Blut.

Ich dachte nicht, dass es mir gefallen würde, nachdem ich mir die Vorschauen angesehen hatte, aber es hat mir Spaß gemacht. Coop, Max und Lucy waren gute Charaktere, obwohl ich die „Angst vor schwarzen Männern“ satt habe, die Hollywood zu glauben scheint, dass jeder schwarze Mann sie haben sollte Nicht genug von Max‘ Hintergrundgeschichte, um seine niedergeschlagene Haltung zu rechtfertigen oder warum er so behandelt wird.

Coop war ziemlich gut „konkretisiert“, was seine Hintergrundgeschichte angeht. Lucy hatte keine Geschichte und hätte, soweit ich sah, gestern gespawnt werden können.

Ich mochte die Art und Weise, wie sich die Frauen kleideten, so sexy, so stilvoll, so edel.

Was hat es mit Coop auf sich, mit den Medikamenten, die er einnimmt, damit er nicht verwildert? Ist das in einem früheren Spiel oder wurde es von Hollywood eingeführt?

Ich habe nur F4 gespielt, daher kann ich meine Meinung nur auf dieses Spiel stützen.

Alles in allem fand ich den größten Teil der Show gut gemacht, genug, dass ich sie mir ein zweites Mal ansehen werde, um Teile aufzugreifen, die ich in der ersten Fassung vielleicht verpasst habe.

Ich habe die vorherigen Seiten nicht gelesen, da ich keine Spoiler zur Serie wollte, also werde ich sie jetzt noch einmal lesen.

 

The thing with the medicine for the ghoul -> Hollywood bullshit

(you can ask Daisy about it in "Good Neighbor")

It never happened like that - I've been playing this series since "Fallout 1" and, because of my own blog history, I've also looked at the lore of this universe more intensively than most other players

And the transformation of one BoS squire into a ghoul is pure Hollywood bullshit - especially since he even has his own skin!

Actually, Mr Asshole Todd H. should ensure that the lore is adhered to... but what he thinks of the traditions of his own product - you can see from "Fallout 76"

 

wenn man aber noch nie ein Spiel aus dem Fallout-Universum in der Hand hatte - sind diese ganzen Einwände irrelevant - da das meiste ja halbwegs funktioniert

[Raven 54]

41 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

The thing with the medicine for the ghoul -> Hollywood bullshit

(you can ask Daisy about it in "Good Neighbor")

It never happened like that - I've been playing this series since "Fallout 1" and, because of my own blog history, I've also looked at the lore of this universe more intensively than most other players

And the transformation of one BoS squire into a ghoul is pure Hollywood bullshit - especially since he even has his own skin!

Actually, Mr Asshole Todd H. should ensure that the lore is adhered to... but what he thinks of the traditions of his own product - you can see from "Fallout 76"

 

wenn man aber noch nie ein Spiel aus dem Fallout-Universum in der Hand hatte - sind diese ganzen Einwände irrelevant - da das meiste ja halbwegs funktioniert

Thank You for explaining this.

I figured the transformation was "Made for TV" but I did not know about Coop's meds.

As far as Adhering to the Lore, money buys lots of "insert Bullshit here" room, and be assured TH lined his pockets.

 

Thanks

Edited May 30, 2024 by Raven 54

[Miauzi]

Vor einer Stunde sagte Raven 54:

Vielen Dank für die Erklärung.

Ich dachte, die Verwandlung sei „Made for TV“, aber ich wusste nichts über die Medikamente von Coop.

Was „Adhering to the Lore“ angeht: Geld verschafft viel Spielraum für „Blödsinn hier reinstecken“, und seien Sie versichert, dass TH seine Taschen gefüllt hat.

 

Danke

 

I just had a long argument with my wife about medication or experimental drugs in connection with ghouls.

In "Fallout 4" there are several ghouls from the pre-war era - in "Good Neighbor" you meet and interact with 2 of them -> Daisy (shop owner) and Kent (Sliver Shrout quest line)

Since both live in areas with low radiation - they are safe from losing their minds.

Mayor "Hancock" became a ghoul through an experimental drug ... but it would have been enough to sleep long enough on a highly radioactive garbage dump.

You also meet "Eddi Winter" - the pre-war Boston mafia boss - who had turned himself into a ghoul... he had obtained the radioactive substances he needed illegally from nuclear waste transports - the first clues can be found very early in the game on a transport company terminal south of Sanctuary

The transition process from "normal" to "wild ghoul" can only be stopped by the absence of high levels of radiation... the clues from the DLC "Nuka World" (Kiddy Kingdom or Oswald) are ultimately only very vague - since it is about Oswald and his girlfriend Rachel's dream of getting their comrades back.

Well - in a Fallout universe that is an alternative to our game world, you can introduce such a "drug"... you can of course also move the founding city of the NCR by about 500 km - which of course distorts "Fallout-1" to the point of absurdity.

[landess]

After typing out a wall of text. Editing it multiple times for clarity and added opinion, I got that therapy out of the way and deleted it.

 

Now to say it shortly:

 

The new Fallout show is a classic meandering Soap Opera that lives on nostalgia which visually is stunning while being a compiled abomination of all the toys in that box.

 

I wish the writing was different which would help the pacing and believability of the characters used. The story is good - the script is bad. Acting is a mixed bag.

 

Seeing Finn finally get to kiss Rey was on someone's bucket list.

 

Scroggins is the best reason to watch. MacLachlan held his own.

 

Turning my brain off is not an option.

 

I could go on but then I'd be looking at another wall of text.

 

TV is dead to me - nothing has changed that including this show.

 

It sucks getting old - nothing is 'made for me' anymore.

 

God save the Queen - Lemmy.

 

Spoiler

God save the Queen
A fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the Queen
She ain't no human being
And there's no future
In England's dreaming

Tell me something, do what you wanted
Tell me nothing, do what you need
There's no future, no future
No future for you

God save the Queen
We mean it, man
We love our Queen
God save

God save the Queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

God save history
God save your mad pride
Oh, Lord God, have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future, they can't keep saying
We're the snake and we're done right in
We're poison of the human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the Queen
We mean it, man
We love our Queen
God saves

God save the Queen
We mean it, man
And there's no future
In England's dreaming

No future, no future
No future for you
No future, no future
No future for me
No future, no future
No future, for you
No future, no future

 

Edited January 26 by landess

[Count Chocula]

On 1/26/2026 at 9:47 AM, landess said:

It sucks getting old - nothing is 'made for me' anymore.

I disagree on "it sucks getting old" but I agree "nothing is made for me anymore." I find detective and spy shows that are highly rated (not on Rotten Tomatoes, since the ratings are heavily skewed by bots and such) or recommended and the shows often suck because they are full of cliches. Not sure if utter predictability (e.g., Rings of Power) is what people actually want or if they swallow it simply because that's what's on offer.

 

I watch Fallout because it's related to Fallout and it's only 16 hours of my life. 

Edited February 8 by Count Chocula

[Count Chocula]

Thank goodness it is only 16 hours of my life. Season 2 does nothing more than go from one silly, predictable scene to the next, with some game references that don't fit into the story at all. It's like the writers keep a copy of The Big Book of Action-Dark Comedy Cliches and Overused Tropes on their desks. Example, when the Brotherhood breaks into the Area 51 warehouse and two soldiers find the freezer with an alien body, one exclaims something like "Holy shit, I don't believe it! A real ice box!" And they toss the alien body aside.