Fallout 4 TV Series!

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Miauzi said:

 

The fact that this term even exists is complete nonsense to me - because it automatically has a negative connotation... if it were all a man that "Mary Sue" stands for - that would be completely okay in conservative society - hence the reference to "Superman"

People dislike characters who can do it all because they are boring, be they male, female or otherwise. Lucy is not a Mary Sue, Maximus is not a Gary Stu and Coop is not a Harry Ghoul. They all have obvious and pretty significant flaws. At this point, I feel like we are preaching to the converted.

 

I know exactly why you referenced Superman.

[calvin_0]

12 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

The only one spreading political messages here is you - because you can't stand the fact that women are starting to shake the pedestal of male superiority.

And you speak for a small but very contentious male minority... in the Fallout universe there has always been the possibility of playing a female main character - but one who takes different approaches to solving problems than the male muscle man.

In "Fallout 1" it didn't matter whether you were a male or female bunker resident - the lone hiker with his "dogmet" was never determined by gender.

 

that must be why Kara zor El is my all time favorite character of DC, Jubilation Lee is my favorite character from marvel, Arcee is my all time favorite character from transformers... because I cant stand female character takes the spot light... right? that must be really odd as my all time favorite tv show is Charmed (1998), She-Ra (80's), Aliens, Xena and Futurama... last time i check, all of those feature main female character...

 

those braindead argument from twitter doesnt actually work as it's pretty much the to go argument which doesnt really hold any water and can be very easily debunk...

 

as i mention before, the problem isnt with female character, it's with female character that is only create because they are female character... as the mem goes, "put a chick in it and make it gay and lame"

Edited April 16, 2024 by calvin_0

[Miauzi]

Vor 10 Minuten sagte Branmakmuffin:

Menschen mögen keine Charaktere, die alles können, weil sie langweilig sind, egal ob männlich, weiblich oder anders. Lucy ist keine Mary Sue, Maximus ist kein Gary Stu und Coop ist kein Harry Ghoul. Sie alle haben offensichtliche und ziemlich erhebliche Mängel. An diesem Punkt habe ich das Gefühl, dass wir den Bekehrten predigen.

 

Ich weiß genau, warum Sie Superman erwähnt haben.

 

And here I agree with you wholeheartedly... because why was socialist SfI literature (including films) always so boring? -> because of these flat characters!

(I was born and grew up in East Germany 62 years ago... with a father who was an astronomy teacher - you can't ignore real space travel or science fiction!)

When Lucy throws this ominous drug to the ghoul (the fallout lore is "spinning in its grave right now") - it fits wonderfully with her actual character... that's why the two of them make a very interesting and antagonistic team for a second season.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

When Lucy throws this ominous drug to the ghoul (the fallout lore is "spinning in its grave right now") - it fits wonderfully with her actual character... that's why the two of them make a very interesting and antagonistic team for a second season.

I agree with that. It shows us something about what kind of person she is.

 

EDIT: Regarding the lore, I have read on at least one web site that the show is supposed to be canonical, but I don't buy it. So, as I mentioned a few posts back, it's an alternate time line as far as I am concerned.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[Miauzi]

Vor 25 Minuten sagte Branmakmuffin:

Ich stimme dem zu. Es zeigt uns etwas darüber, was für ein Mensch sie ist.

 

EDIT: Was die Überlieferungen angeht, habe ich auf mindestens einer Website gelesen, dass die Show kanonisch sein soll, aber ich kaufe sie nicht. Wie ich bereits vor ein paar Beiträgen erwähnt habe, handelt es sich für mich also um eine alternative Zeitlinie.

 

But even in an alternative timeline, a desert or steppe village like "Shady Sands" would not "migrate" to the center of L.A. ... if you were in "Far Habor" you know the origin of the "Schlinger" etc.

For me, the entire Fallout universe of the TV series is a parallel world to the universe of computer games... two similar but separate universes... so you can still tell a very interesting story without exactly taking existing lore into account to have to

I'm just saying "fusion cores" - which originally stood for "cold fusion" - in contrast to the radio nukeid batteries - which rely on natural decay.

This core - which powers a Mr. Handy or a power armor - powers an entire vault - the fission reactors in Vault 4 are what - decoration?

But you shouldn't overestimate these many small "breaks" - Bugdesta doesn't even stick to its own lore guidelines!

"Interplay" and "Black Isle" brought power armor into play with Fallout 1 and 2 - duration of use with the "fusion core" -> at least 100 years

"Bugdesta" adopted this in Fallout 3 and Fallout NV... only to throw it away completely in Fallout 4!

[Kanutten]

New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda.

[Dodzh]

Having spent over 4k hours all together in all Fallout games. I have watched the show twice now and have to say it is simply amazing. Of course, small-minded people will criticize the show for having black people or women as the main characters.
 

I tell you, if that show was a woman, I would marry it and have babies with it. That's how good it is to me anyway.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Kanutten said:

New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda.

Obsidian was responsible for the story, but not the lore of the world. They pretty much followed in Fallout 3's footsteps. Weapons work pretty much the same. Power armor works pretty much the same. Ghouls, ferals, Super Mutants, centaurs, brahmin, fission batteries, all pretty much the same. As @Miauzipointed out, Fallout 4 was where they made their big break from their own lore (e.g., no longer needing specialized training to use power armor, power armor needing to have its fusion core replaced periodically, homemade weapons made of wood and copper pipe, no centaurs, no fission batteries).

 

And now the show has made some more breaks.

 

It's not important to this discussion that New Vegas was made by Obsidian.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[Miauzi]

Vor 33 Minuten sagte Branmakmuffin:

Obsidian war für die Geschichte verantwortlich, aber nicht für die Überlieferungen der Welt. Sie sind quasi in die Fußstapfen von Fallout 3 getreten. Waffen funktionieren im Großen und Ganzen gleich. Powerrüstungen funktionieren im Großen und Ganzen gleich. Ghule, Wilde, Supermutanten, Zentauren, Brahmanen, Spaltbatterien, alles ziemlich gleich. Wie @Miauzi betonte, gelang ihnen in Fallout 4 der große Bruch mit ihren eigenen Überlieferungen (z. B. war keine Spezialausbildung mehr für die Verwendung von Powerrüstungen erforderlich, der Fusionskern der Powerrüstungen musste regelmäßig ausgetauscht werden, selbstgemachte Waffen wurden aus Holz und Kupfer hergestellt). Rohr, keine Zentauren, keine Spaltbatterien).

 

Und jetzt hat die Show weitere Pausen eingelegt.

 

Für diese Diskussion ist es nicht wichtig, dass New Vegas von Obsidian erstellt wurde.

 

Obsidian had gotten permission from "Bugdesta" to make this game... they would also like to make a sequel - but since according to the players and the media they managed the BEST fallout (I wholeheartedly agree with that verdict!) - a Mr. Asshole Todd H. will never give permission to do that

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Obsidian had gotten permission from "Bugdesta" to make this game... they would also like to make a sequel - but since according to the players and the media they managed the BEST fallout (I wholeheartedly agree with that verdict!) - a Mr. Asshole Todd H. will never give permission to do that

I agree that New Vegas has the best story of 3, New Vegas and 4. And the Mojave is by far my favorite setting of the three settings. Too bad the show is not set in the Mojave.

 

One of the biggest breaks the show makes with the lore of the games lies with the timeline of events in New Vegas and events mentioned in the show. This post of mine goes into the spoilery details.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[Guest]

So uhh anyways. I actually disliked the show in the beginning, almost turned it off in the first episode. But after that, it was a blast. I started caring about the mystery of the vaults, still found it very hard to really care about Lucy, but I was taking her way too serious, once I started to understand this show is just... how should I put it... its not to be taken too serious, I kinda like her. and I feel the show really started to shine later on. I did feel at certain points, that certain props or background felt too fake. Almost like I was watching a fan made show. But I did appreciate the fact, as far as I could see, they kept the CGI bullshit to a minimum. But I could be wrong and just not having recognized the CGI in there.

 

I think my biggest joy kill was the scenes with the ghoul. 

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Like he is stupidly overpowered, and its almost as if he psychically mindcontrols everyone to become a moron as soon as he is their opponent. Like the scene in I think the last episode. Three brotherhood knights, and a few other cannon fodder, he shoots one of them, and I am supposed to believe that these knights are so dumbstruck by this that they literally stand there for 10+ seconds not doing anything? All scene's with him just made me hate him more because it just felt his plot armour was way too thick.

 

And people were praising the scene in Filly. I really hated that scene, you're telling me the guns are so weak they cant penetrate a wooden wall he is hiding behind? Some people were defending it by him being a "player character" and having access to VATS. To which is say, the fuck?

Loved his backstory tho, how he was at the beginning, and how he has become the literal monster in current age. It feels like I am the only one who feels this way about the ghoul though, people were shouting his praises in the fallout tv show forums as far I saw.

 

I do honestly feel that the portrayal of the BoS just goes down the shitter more and more with each iteration that they show.

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I do not agree with how they are shown in the TV show. Like, how cowardly knight titus is, how hardcore undisciplined the bootcamp is? They turn a blind eye to people being beaten up, I do not see how that enviroment could ever breed the disciplined brotherhood we saw in Fallout 3/4 (dont remember them much from New Vegas.) The overly cliche and unoriginal relationship between the squire and knight. Ugh. Maybe im just getting too old and sick and tired of all the cliche stuff. I dont expect anyone to feel the same way about it.

 

I do like Maximus actually. Lot of people didnt seem to like him because he felt too shallow.

 

I was actually quite sad when the last episode was finished, because I wanted more. Luckily if I remember correctly, they already announced a second season.

 

Last heavy spoiler

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I did laugh very hard when the dad at the end just iron manned himself away in the power armor.

[Guest]

Regarding the Brotherhood camp in the show, that echos my problem with military bases in the games as well, Brotherhood, Gunner and NCR. A military base is not going to be choked with debris and trash. My signature sums it up in two sentences.

 

And most definitely

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the way Titus is portrayed. Clearly he did not earn shit. How would such a person become a Knight? "I'm bored, I wanna kill (or shoot, or whatever he said) something."

 

They ordered a second bag of dog shit in The Rings of Power. No surprise they would order a second bag of barely adequate hot dogs.

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[hitmanh]

Overall, I really enjoyed the series, loved the vaults especially. Two minor issues for me was the fusion core powering a vault (lol, what?) and treating BoS as something of a joke, but I could let it go. Defo giving the next season a go.

[Guest]

As I mentioned in another thread. it's better than The Rings of Power, not as good as The Expanse. As I also said, saying a show is better than The Rings of Power is like saying 'He's the nicest torturer in the medieval dungeon."

 

It's good enough to watch season 2.

[hitmanh]

I'm also assuming the little skit about the chicken shagging was a call out to the Loverslab community? 🤣

[pinky6225]

2 hours ago, CollectableLover said:

So uhh anyways. I actually disliked the show in the beginning, almost turned it off in the first episode. But after that, it was a blast. I started caring about the mystery of the vaults, still found it very hard to really care about Lucy, but I was taking her way too serious, once I started to understand this show is just... how should I put it... its not to be taken too serious, I kinda like her. and I feel the show really started to shine later on. I did feel at certain points, that certain props or background felt too fake. Almost like I was watching a fan made show. But I did appreciate the fact, as far as I could see, they kept the CGI bullshit to a minimum. But I could be wrong and just not having recognized the CGI in there.

 

I think my biggest joy kill was the scenes with the ghoul. 

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Like he is stupidly overpowered, and its almost as if he psychically mindcontrols everyone to become a moron as soon as he is their opponent. Like the scene in I think the last episode. Three brotherhood knights, and a few other cannon fodder, he shoots one of them, and I am supposed to believe that these knights are so dumbstruck by this that they literally stand there for 10+ seconds not doing anything? All scene's with him just made me hate him more because it just felt his plot armour was way too thick.

 

And people were praising the scene in Filly. I really hated that scene, you're telling me the guns are so weak they cant penetrate a wooden wall he is hiding behind? Some people were defending it by him being a "player character" and having access to VATS. To which is say, the fuck?

Loved his backstory tho, how he was at the beginning, and how he has become the literal monster in current age. It feels like I am the only one who feels this way about the ghoul though, people were shouting his praises in the fallout tv show forums as far I saw.

 

I do honestly feel that the portrayal of the BoS just goes down the shitter more and more with each iteration that they show.

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I do not agree with how they are shown in the TV show. Like, how cowardly knight titus is, how hardcore undisciplined the bootcamp is? They turn a blind eye to people being beaten up, I do not see how that enviroment could ever breed the disciplined brotherhood we saw in Fallout 3/4 (dont remember them much from New Vegas.) The overly cliche and unoriginal relationship between the squire and knight. Ugh. Maybe im just getting too old and sick and tired of all the cliche stuff. I dont expect anyone to feel the same way about it.

 

I do like Maximus actually. Lot of people didnt seem to like him because he felt too shallow.

 

I was actually quite sad when the last episode was finished, because I wanted more. Luckily if I remember correctly, they already announced a second season.

 

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I did laugh very hard when the dad at the end just iron manned himself away in the power armor.

 

 

 

how hardcore undisciplined the bootcamp is? They turn a blind eye to people being beaten up
 

 

WH40k has pretty much the exact same scene happening in the book White scars i think it is since the exact sort of recruit they want to become a space marine is someone who keeps getting up and fighting back when knocked down by a superior number of people

 

So i'd imagine they turn a blind eye to that on purpose as they want tough recruits to go on to become squires and then knights

 

And most definitely

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the way Titus is portrayed. Clearly he did not earn shit. How would such a person become a Knight? "I'm bored, I wanna kill (or shoot, or whatever he said) something."

That's probably a product of them hero worshipping knights so once you've made it you can be as big a dick as you like as you've made it and everyone below you will just accept it

 

i.e.

Pilot 1 - "Man that Titus is so bad ass, dropping early so he can kill random shit"

Pilot 2- "Yeah i wish I was him"

Edited April 16, 2024 by pinky6225

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

WH40k has pretty much the exact same scene happening in the book White scars i think it is since the exact sort of recruit they want to become a space marine is someone who keeps getting up and fighting back when knocked down by a superior number of people

 

So i'd imagine they turn a blind eye to that on purpose as they want tough recruits to go on to become squires and then knights

Sure, makes perfect sense if you want

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a bunch of undisciplined, cowardly bullies like Titus for soldiers.

 

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[pinky6225]

18 minutes ago, branmakmuffin said:

Sure, makes perfect sense if you want

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a bunch of undisciplined, cowardly bullies like Titus for soldiers.

 

 

How much is that the problem of the person that became a knight and not years of having people like the suck up that gets sent to replace Maximus hero worshipping them?

 

Doubt there was a BoS version of

Auriga was the title given to a slave charged with accompanying Roman Generals awarded a Triumph through the streets of Rome. Appointed by the Senate, each Auriga was charged with a relatively simple task: whisper into the ear of the General during the succession – Memento homo – (remember) you are only a man[1].

The rationale behind this act was as simple as it was powerful. The Auriga’s whisper (delivered by a slave remember) was a reminder to the General, typically flush from victory, about the importance of humility and the measurement of his accomplishments within context. “Yes we acknowledge your achievements” (hence the Triumph) the Senate was saying “but we also want to remind you of your place within the Empire.”

After all

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[Guest]

18 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

How much is that the problem of the person that became a knight and not years of having people like the suck up that gets sent to replace Maximus hero worshipping them?

I'm gonna put the blame on their training, if "training" consists of a lot of getting one's ass beaten by the crew of the bully with the highest charisma.

 

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If Titus is typical of a Knight, then being a Knight doesn't mean shit, and being sent out as a Knight to do stuff is just a slow and pointless death sentence. If he's atypical, then the Brotherhood of Steel sucks at assessment. And being sent out to do stuff is a slow and pointless death sentence for Knights like Titus. Titus was just comic relief. Might as well have named him Pippin.

 

Not to mention Dane would rather carve up their own foot rather than be assigned the job they all seem to dream of. Although admittedly that's just one example.

 

Edited April 16, 2024 by branmakmuffin

[pinky6225]

1 hour ago, branmakmuffin said:

I'm gonna put the blame on their training, if "training" consists of a lot of getting one's ass beaten by the crew of the bully with the highest charisma.

 

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If Titus is typical of a Knight, then being a Knight doesn't mean shit, and being sent out as a Knight to do stuff is just a slow and pointless death sentence. If he's atypical, then the Brotherhood of Steel sucks at assessment. And being sent out to do stuff is a slow and pointless death sentence for Knights like Titus. Titus was just comic relief. Might as well have named him Pippin.

 

Not to mention Dane would rather carve up their own foot rather than be assigned the job they all seem to dream of. Although admittedly that's just one example.

 

 

Correct me if i'm wrong here but Maximus (who gets beat on by Thaddeus and his gang) got made a squire before Thaddeus (despite becoming a recruit after Thaddeus as Thaddeus mentions he got picked on until he could move that to Maximus) and until he was literally beaten senseless kept getting up to fight Thaddeus and his gang which kinda fits with the arguement that BoS want recruits (to become squires) that keep getting up when faced with unwinnable odds

 

So it sounds to me like Thaddeus (as you put it the bully with highest charisma) only got promoted/sent out when it came to scrapping the barrel time

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[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte Branmakmuffin:

Was das Brotherhood-Lager in der Serie betrifft, so spiegelt es mein Problem mit den Militärbasen in den Spielen Brotherhood, Gunner und NCR wider. Eine Militärbasis wird nicht mit Trümmern und Müll überfüllt sein. Meine Unterschrift fasst es in zwei Sätzen zusammen.

 

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die Art und Weise, wie Titus dargestellt wird. Offensichtlich hat er nichts verdient. Wie würde eine solche Person Ritter werden? „Mir ist langweilig, ich möchte etwas töten (oder erschießen oder was auch immer er gesagt hat).“

 

bestellten sie eine zweite Tüte Hundescheiße In „Die Ringe der Macht“ . Kein Wunder, dass sie eine zweite Tüte kaum ausreichender Hot Dogs bestellten.

 

The fact that the "knights" of the brotherhood go hunting "monsters" out of boredom - can already be found in Fallout 4 - if you visit their airship and listen to the NPC's conversations or read their terminal entries.

In this respect, this Titus is described precisely to the point - it represents everything that is so dangerous about this misguided and uncontrollable military organization. I've been calling this bunch the "Steel Nazis" for many years.

Oh, by the way - there are also piles of rubbish in a military base - but they aren't lying around in the "landscape"... and I even know building rubble in a base from my own military service... there were still the blown-up remains of the aircraft hangars from the Second World War - it was far too expensive to clear them away - the new buildings were basically built next to the rubble.

Please remember -> in a post-nuclear world there is even less construction technology available than in a socialist economy with shortages

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Correct me if i'm wrong here but Maximus (who gets beat on by Thaddeus and his gang) got made a squire before Thaddeus (despite becoming a recruit after Thaddeus as Thaddeus mentions he got picked on until he could move that to Maximus) and until he was literally beaten senseless kept getting up to fight Thaddeus and his gang which kinda fits with the arguement that BoS want recruits (to become squires) that keep getting up when faced with unwinnable odds

 

So it sounds to me like Thaddeus (as you put it the bully with highest charisma) only got promoted/sent out when it came to scrapping the barrel time

Thaddeus is not the bully with the highest charisma. He's not a bully at all. He's a follower. Thaddeus is what I would call "a wimp."

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[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Oh, by the way - there are also piles of rubbish in a military base - but they aren't lying around in the "landscape"... and I even know building rubble in a base from my own military service... there were still the blown-up remains of the aircraft hangars from the Second World War - it was far too expensive to clear them away - the new buildings were basically built next to the rubble.

Please remember -> in a post-nuclear world there is even less construction technology available than in a socialist economy with shortages

I'm not going to engage in an argument about how things would  look 200 years after WW3, because that is entirely a matter of opinion. My position is summed up, as I mentioned before, in the two sentences of my signature.

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte pinky6225:

 

Ich kann mir also vorstellen, dass sie das absichtlich ignorieren, weil sie wollen, dass harte Rekruten später Knappen und dann Ritter werden

 

 

No - it's something different -> the hatred of the superior is redirected to the comrade and later to the subordinates - this is the only way to keep a group of psychopathic killers - and soldiers are nothing else - under control... "Hardness" is just a side effect of this system of rule

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Minuten sagte branmakmuffin:

Ich werde mich nicht auf einen Streit darüber einlassen, wie die Dinge 200 Jahre nach dem Dritten Weltkrieg aussehen würden, denn das ist reine Ansichtssache. Meine Position ist, wie bereits erwähnt, in den beiden Sätzen meiner Unterschrift zusammengefasst.

 

As I have already written - something like ruins (blown-up aircraft hangars from the Second World War) were a daily sight for me on the way from the accommodation to the airfield during my own service in a naval helicopter squadron in the early 1980s.

That may have been different for you in the "rich West" - but you are not the benchmark for everything in the world... and it is your capitalist world that is in ruins in the Fallout universe

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