Devious Devices NG

[kronnos44]

can anyone help me with a problem i keep having

 

i finally got everything to work

 

but now pony tail plugs are not in the right position

theyre under the model in the ground... 

 

can't find the correct in calientetools 

[bubba999]

I'm having the very strange "invisible ball and ring gags on elves" problem. Has this ever been solved?

[zarantha]

3 hours ago, kronnos44 said:

can anyone help me with a problem i keep having

 

i finally got everything to work

 

but now pony tail plugs are not in the right position

theyre under the model in the ground... 

 

can't find the correct in calientetools 

 

You need to install FSMP and make sure it's working. The position is because SMP isn't working in your game.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, bubba999 said:

I'm having the very strange "invisible ball and ring gags on elves" problem. Has this ever been solved?

 

What version of DD NG are you on and what gags specifically? I'm not seeing anything wrong on a spot check with the latest LL version.

[bubba999]

2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

What version of DD NG are you on and what gags specifically? I'm not seeing anything wrong on a spot check with the latest LL version.

DD NG 4.2. The ones affected (Didn't test everything, of course.) are White Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Harness), Black Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Simple) and Red Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Harness). A few that work are: Black Ebonite Muzzle Lips Gag, Extreme Ballgag Harness (Red) and Black Ebonite Gag (Pony). So maybe something with the ring gags? 

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[XC1569]

I'm having trouble starting the minigame with DD NG.

In short, even though the enable minigame in MCM is selected, whenever I tried to escape, it just show "see what happens" and play the animation, and then give a random outcome.

 

I tried to start a new game and it didn't help. I have seen the information "Devious Device 5.2-NG initialized" for the save, so I think it's loaded correctly.

 

Anyone know what might have caused this, and how to solve the issue?

 

 

 

Edited January 6 by xinchen1202

[Χ Ξ Σ]

Hey. Got a small issue which I have been able to mainly pinpoint to DD NG. My player character hurt sounds sometimes include gag/moan sounds (without being gagged) even though I repeatedly went through any MCM setting I could find and disabled any related options(where applicable).

 

Anyone got a workaround/solution for this problem?

Also included my load order just in case.

 

Thanks a bunch.

loadorder.txt

[swords and sandals]

8 hours ago, Χ Ξ Σ said:

Hey. Got a small issue which I have been able to mainly pinpoint to DD NG. My player character hurt sounds sometimes include gag/moan sounds (without being gagged) even though I repeatedly went through any MCM setting I could find and disabled any related options(where applicable).

 

Anyone got a workaround/solution for this problem?

Also included my load order just in case.

 

Thanks a bunch.

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I haven't looked at your load order, but I've had that exact moaning issue with Naked Defeat. If you're using that, Nymra has just released a patch in its support topic that attempts to fix it.

[Χ Ξ Σ]

32 minutes ago, swords and sandals said:

 

I haven't looked at your load order, but I've had that exact moaning issue with Naked Defeat. If you're using that, Nymra has just released a patch in its support topic that attempts to fix it.

 

 

I just confirmed that the patch indeed works. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction though. Woke up thinking I will have a long day of troubleshooting ahead of me.

Looks like it was truly a Naked Defeat issue.

[YamiYamichan]

Wondering if there has been a fix to the gags from DD not opening the mouth of the player character? I have Mfg Fix and Mfg Fix NG yet I still have the issue. When testing with ZAZ gags, they properly open the mouth, however, anything that uses DD doesn't work. This includes Expansion, Asset, Cursed Loot, and Equip for examples. 

Not really sure what to do to fix this issue so if there is something I did wrong or there is a patch of some kind I would like to know.

[MajorWard]

Does anyone know if it's possible to craft the hobble dress?  I can see all the gear in the crafting menus except the dresses.  I got one from an encounter via Simple Prostitution but I can't even dye it at the leather rack. 

 

 

[nopse0]

On 12/8/2025 at 11:26 PM, Taki17 said:

Adjust your device hider settings in the DD config menu. Anything you don't want hidden by other devices/clothes should be set to none. You are right that an open straitjacket should not hide nipple piercings, I will forward this finding to the one who developed the DDNG device hider.

 

It's part of DDNG by default and it doesn't exist in a standalone form, since it was developed to force arm offsets for DD items instead of replacing the entire movement animation set. If you have DDNG installed, you have Partial Animation Replacer installed and working out-of-the-box.

 

 

Any news from the guy, who developed the DDNG device hider ?

 

I have some skimpy BD armor, which exposes the nipples and genitals of the PC. With CAEKD and PASH you can define blacklists and whitelists for hiding piercings, this distributes certain keywords via KID, e.g.:

;Whitelist for ARMOR/CLOTHING with exposed NIPPLES
Keyword = ExposedNipples|Armor|Arch-Mage Robes

 

This works fine for nomal piercings, but, of course, not for DD piercings, because it uses a different hider. Would it perhaps be possible to do something similiar in DD (or even use CAEKD, instead of an own hider) ? 

 

Edit: No, sorry, everything's fine. PASH already handles DD piercings, via "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.json":

 

 			...
			"[Imp] Ayleid Piercings.esp|000DF4": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|856",
			"[Imp] Ayleid Piercings.esp|000DFD": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|856",
			"[Imp] Ayleid Piercings.esp|000DFE": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|856",
			"Devious Devices - Assets.esm|023E6E": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|01492E": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|014930": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A78": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A79": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A7A": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A7B": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A7C": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"Devious Devices - Expansion.esm|017A7D": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"HDT Piercingsets.esp|7F3E": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"HDT Piercingsets.esp|7F3F": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			"HDT Piercingsets.esp|7F40": "PASH - Piercings Auto Hide & Show.esp|851",
			...

 

The only thing I had to do was disabling the DD device hider for piercings, then they are handled by PASH, and I can use whitelists and blacklists. Nice.

 

Ps: Ah, no, I was too optimistic, if I disable the DD hider, this also disables the PASH hider, the piercings are always visible then,

 

The problem is, both PASH and DDNG use DynamicArmorVariants 'replaceByForm' (I replaced the shock nipple piercing with the SMP model, as Taki suggested in a previous post, in "Devious Devices - NG - Piercing replacer.json"), only one of both mods can do the 'replaceByForm'.

 

Hm, I think I will simply change the replace conditions in "Piercing replacer.json" to the negated PASH conditions (so the piercings are only replaced if they are not hidden by PASH), only problem is how to negate the following (Skyrim uses conjunctive normal form):

 

		"conditions": [
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ExposedNipples == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword UWExposedNipples == 0 AND",
			"WornHasKeyword ExposedNipples == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ClothingUnderwear == 0 AND",
			"WornHasKeyword ArmorCuirass == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ExposedNipples == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 AND",
			"WornHasKeyword ClothingBody == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ExposedNipples == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 AND",
			"WornHasKeyword UWExposedNipples == 0 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ArmorCuirass == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ClothingBody == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 AND",
			"WornHasKeyword ClothingUnderwear == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ArmorCuirass == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword ClothingBody == 1 OR",
			"WornHasKeyword CoveredNipples == 1 AND",
			"GetIsSex Female == 1 AND"
		]

 

If I take the formula on the PASH site, and negate it, I get

 

Spoiler

-( [P AND (Q OR R)] OR (S AND T AND -Q AND -R) OR U )

-[P AND (Q OR R)] AND -(S AND T AND -Q AND -R) AND -U

[-P OR -(Q OR R)] AND (-S OR -T OR Q OR R) AND -U

[-P OR (-Q AND -R)] AND (-S OR -T OR Q OR R) AND -U

[(-P OR -Q) AND (-P OR -R))] AND (-S OR -T OR Q OR R) AND -U


P = -ExposedNipples         ("Part is not exposed")
Q = ArmorCuirass            ("Armor is equipped")
R = ClothingBody            ("Clothing is equipped")
S = -UWExposedNipples       ("Part is not exposed (for underwear)")
T = ClothingUnderwear       ("Underwear is equipped")
U = CoveredNipples          ("Part is covered")

CNF:

ExposedNipples == 1 OR ArmorCuirass == 0
ExposedNipples == 1 OR ClothingBody == 0
UWExposedNipples == 1 OR ClothingUnderwear == 0 OR ArmorCuirass == 1 OR ClothingBody == 1
CoveredNipples == 0

 

Looks ok to me.

 

Edit: Yes, the following  "Devious Devices - NG - Piercing replacer.json" works with PASH, if I disable the DD nipple piercings hider. In the first screenshot with the Arch-mage robes , the piercings are visible (because I whitelisted them), in the second screenshot with Tullius armor they aren't (because Tullius is not whitelisted).

 

Devious Devices - NG - Piercing replacer.json

Edited January 10 by nopse0

[zarantha]

On 1/5/2026 at 6:13 PM, bubba999 said:

DD NG 4.2. The ones affected (Didn't test everything, of course.) are White Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Harness), Black Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Simple) and Red Ebonite Gag (Ring) (Harness). A few that work are: Black Ebonite Muzzle Lips Gag, Extreme Ballgag Harness (Red) and Black Ebonite Gag (Pony). So maybe something with the ring gags? 

 

Sorry for the late reply. I tried these with a dark elf and they all show up. 

What elf race are you? and do you have any mods that hide helmets (these will often hide the gags too)?

[bubba999]

5 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Sorry for the late reply. I tried these with a dark elf and they all show up. 

What elf race are you? and do you have any mods that hide helmets (these will often hide the gags too)?

Playing as a woodelf. No hidden helmets. 

[dan_5959]

Because one of the requirements for this mod is starting a new game and installing/re-installing SexLab, does that mean I can skip the setup of Devious Devices SE and just go through the installation guide for Devious Devices NG? Or do I need to go through the setup of DD SE first (i.e. installing SexLab via MCM, saving and loading save for DD SE etc.) and then do it all again for DD NG?

 

Edited January 11 by dan_5959

[Taki17]

26 minutes ago, dan_5959 said:

I can skip the setup of Devious Devices SE and just go through the installation guide for Devious Devices NG? Or do I need to go through the setup of DD SE first (i.e. installing SexLab via MCM, saving and loading save for DD SE etc.) and then do it all again for DD NG?

No, you don't need to do it twice. You install DD SE first in your mod manager, then you install DDNG on top of it next, overwriting DD SE when asked. Then, when all of your mods are installed properly, you start your new game and configure stuff as you need.

 

Think of DDNG as an update to DD SE that's delivered separately. In fact, if you installed DDNG when DD SE is initialized in your game, that'd be... very bad.

[shrtjsrtj]

28 minutes ago, dan_5959 said:

Because one of the requirements for this mod is starting a new game and installing/re-installing SexLab, does that mean I can skip the setup of Devious Devices SE and just go through the installation guide for Devious Devices NG?

Yes.

 

You still need to install DD SE, but the in game setup will all be done with DDNG.

[dan_5959]

4 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

No, you don't need to do it twice. You install DD SE first in your mod manager, then you install DDNG on top of it next, overwriting DD SE when asked. Then, when all of your mods are installed properly, you start your new game and configure stuff as you need.

 

Think of DDNG as an update to DD SE that's delivered separately. In fact, if you installed DDNG when DD SE is initialized in your game, that'd be... very bad.

Thanks. Although just checking: I've never had DD NG ask to overwrite DD SE. I installed it as a separate mod in MO2. Is that correct?

Also, first time I went through the DD NG installation, I did the DD SE installation (in game and everything) first, and don't think I encountered any issues. I'm reinstalling it now and just wondered if I could skip this step.

 

 

7 minutes ago, shrtjsrtj said:

Yes.

 

You still need to install DD SE, but the in game setup will all be done with DDNG.

By install DD SE, do you mean in my mod organiser (MO2)? If so, that's fine - but then do I only have to do all the in-game installation once for DD NG (I don't have to do all the in-game installation for DD SE first)?

[shrtjsrtj]

25 minutes ago, dan_5959 said:

By install DD SE, do you mean in my mod organiser (MO2)?

Yes.

Quote

If so, that's fine - but then do I only have to do all the in-game installation once for DD NG?

Correct.

[DonQuiWho]

4 hours ago, dan_5959 said:

Thanks. Although just checking: I've never had DD NG ask to overwrite DD SE. I installed it as a separate mod in MO2. Is that correct?

Also, first time I went through the DD NG installation, I did the DD SE installation (in game and everything) first, and don't think I encountered any issues. I'm reinstalling it now and just wondered if I could skip this step.

 

 

By install DD SE, do you mean in my mod organiser (MO2)? If so, that's fine - but then do I only have to do all the in-game installation once for DD NG (I don't have to do all the in-game installation for DD SE first)?

 

Bit late to this, but I can't see it explicitly stated, but I presume that you realise that ...

 

    Devious Devices NG 

 

....should be BELOW....

 

   Devious Devices 5.2

 

...in the MO2 Left Hand pane?

 

ie, the files from DD NG overwrite those from DD 5.2

 

DQW

[zarantha]

16 hours ago, bubba999 said:

Playing as a woodelf. No hidden helmets. 

 

Same thing with wood elf. They all show up.

 

Do you have any old patches overriding DD items? 

[bubba999]

9 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Same thing with wood elf. They all show up.

 

Do you have any old patches overriding DD items? 

Thanks for checking, I probably do have something in my load order. I can just turn them off for now. 

[Moonpaw]

Im having a big problem with fsmp, 3ba, devious device NG and body slots. If im running smp mode and in the cbbe 3ba mcm menu i put the player slot to "60- devious device compatible" i get CTDs 100% of the time when removing restrictive boots. When i change the body slot to 50 -> no crash. When i change the mode from smp to cbpc mode -> no crash, when i change it back to slot 60 with smp mode -> crash (all crashes happen when unequipping the device. wearing it or just putting it on doesnt crash it)

What can I do in this case? Can i change the slot 50 devices to be quipped on slot 60 instead so i can leave the player slot in the cbbe 3ba menu on slot 50 which doesnt crash? What can I do???

[deeyock]

I'm having issues with devices showing up. Some do, and some don't. I noticed the step that calls out building the "DDNG 3BA" groups in bodyslide. I don't have any groups with that in the name. Could that be the reason? How do I fix it? I've reinstalled with the replacers turned on and off, neither causes the groups to appear.