LAPF

[fejeena]

Watch my example load order

 

CM Partners.esm is ok

 

 

And this after Lovers and before race Mods ( is this order)

CM Partners.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners NPC NE.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

 

other Mods check my example load order.

[Ravendreams]

Ok I've corrected the load order (I think).  Have tried correcting the skeleton issue from earlier.  I also took some screen caps this time to show examples of what I'm seeing in game, both with the HGEC skeleton, and without the HGEC skeleton and using the LAPF skeleton files.  

 

First the corrected load order (I hope).  

 

Oblivion.esm

CM Partners.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

UFF Lady Shadow.esp

LeatherArmor.esp

[Clothes]ShortJeans.esp

Mage Leather Armor.esp

HGEC Boots.esp

Mage Equipment.esp

0FPetroBootsHGEC.esp

TM's HGEC Ball Gown.esp

Apachii_Wigs_MaleFemale.esp

HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp

Leather Costume.esp

The Ice Queen.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp

hchouse408.esp

Drafty Cave.esp

Dungeons of Tamriel.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversBed.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversHooker.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

LoversOrgy.esp

CM Partners.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners NPC NE.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

X.Races.Comp.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Pym Companion.esp

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

LoversMB2.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

I wasn't sure about the placement of LoversHooker.esp, loversAdultPlayPlussforSSP.esp, and LoversOrgy.esp so I took my best guess at there placement.

 

Now the sets of images First set is without the HGEC skeleton and with LAPF skeletons.

 

 

Next set is With the HGEC skeleton and without the LAPF skeleton

 

The last set is with HGEC skeleton and without the LAPF skeleton, and with the option "Attacking woman grows penis" turned off (other words how I've been playing recently)

 

 

[TDA]

Oh, that's not my problematic animation ...

[fejeena]

Your first test: no BBB Skeleton...you have boobs stretching.

 

Second: no LAPF Skeleton but BBB Skeleton ( boobs ok but penis stretching )

 

third: ? a BBB Skeleton...no boobs stretching.

 

Don't know what's going on.

But you need the LAPF Skeleton ( delete the whole HGEC Body with BBB OMod. use only Body and textures )

 

Have you tried my archive Invalidation ?

[gregathit]

Boobs distorting with clothes on means you have an non-compatible mesh that needs some custom skeleton.  Growlf's Universal Skeleton is the standard.  That is what the LAPF is based on.  Using outfit that don't comply with that is a NO, NO.  Find another version of that outfit or delete it from your game.

 

Next, what is this "HGEC" skeleton you keep talking about?  I recommend a version of HGEC in the installation instructions of the LAPF.  Delete what you are using and install that one.  Then reinstall the LAPF.  Then archive invalidate with bsa redirection with either OBMM or Wrye Bash, then start a new game.  You should have no further trouble.

[Ravendreams]

Boobs distorting with clothes on means you have an non-compatible mesh that needs some custom skeleton.  Growlf's Universal Skeleton is the standard.  That is what the LAPF is based on.  Using outfit that don't comply with that is a NO, NO.  Find another version of that outfit or delete it from your game.

 

Next, what is this "HGEC" skeleton you keep talking about?  I recommend a version of HGEC in the installation instructions of the LAPF.  Delete what you are using and install that one.  Then reinstall the LAPF.  Then archive invalidate with bsa redirection with either OBMM or Wrye Bash, then start a new game.  You should have no further trouble.

There is a skeleton file in the HGEC mod, that if isn't there does the boob stretching (happens with or without clothes on).   The outfit on the companion is one that works with BBB, works fine if the skeleton is there from the HGEC.  

 

 

I am using this HGEC mod, as It was the one directed to in the LAPF post/read me file.  http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/34442/? 

 

 

Edit: I took a screen cap to show where I found the HGEC skeleton and the readme file that talks about it as well.

I used OBMM to extract the HGEC mod to a empty folder so I could pull out only the texture files, and the four .nif files like fejeena suggested I do, in an earlier post.

 

 

 

[fejeena]

? But the HGEC Mod Skeleton has the same breast bones as the LAPF Skeleton....why you have breast stretching with the LAPF Skeleton. That cannot be ! only if you have no Skeleton with breast bones = not installed or wrong installed. But if you replace the HGEC Skeleton with the LAPF Skeleton you can not have boobs stretching.

 

I give up.

Solution: buy a new Computer  

[Ravendreams]

? But the HGEC Mod Skeleton has the same breast bones as the LAPF Skeleton....why you have breast stretching with the LAPF Skeleton. That cannot be ! only if you have no Skeleton with breast bones = not installed or wrong installed. But if you replace the HGEC Skeleton with the LAPF Skeleton you can not have boobs stretching.

 

I give up.

Solution: buy a new Computer

 

That is pretty much how I've been feeling this whole month 

[mem4ob4]

@Ravendreams

Suggestion- Check carefully all mods that add clothing/armor, even BSA files (as Gregathit suggests). See if any have its own skelly.

[varenne]

And I'll chime in with one more thing to look for, a clothing (or other) mesh with an embedded skeleton in it. I discovered those in the Monstergirl Compilation and it was causing similar (if not exactly identical) issues as being reported here.

 

You can fix those via NIfSkope and/or gerra6's tools, by deleting the embedded skeleton and replacing it with the correct nodes. I have found this in full hand, foot, upper and and lowerbody armors and clothes, and in some partial ones such as shoe/boot meshes from older MODs.

 

Here is an example of an embedded skeleton in an armor mesh, Underworld - Sonja Armor:

 

 

 

 

[gregathit]

Use the recommended HGEC mod from the LAPF and choose the NO ANIMATIONS options.  Then install the bbb animation replacer of choice (noMaam) and finally install the LAPF.

[Ravendreams]

@Ravendreams

Suggestion- Check carefully all mods that add clothing/armor, even BSA files (as Gregathit suggests). See if any have its own skelly.

 

 

And I'll chime in with one more thing to look for, a clothing (or other) mesh with an embedded skeleton in it. I discovered those in the Monstergirl Compilation and it was causing similar (if not exactly identical) issues as being reported here.

 

You can fix those via NIfSkope and/or gerra6's tools, by deleting the embedded skeleton and replacing it with the correct nodes. I have found this in full hand, foot, upper and and lowerbody armors and clothes, and in some partial ones such as shoe/boot meshes from older MODs.

 

Here is an example of an embedded skeleton in an armor mesh, Underworld - Sonja Armor:

 

 

Original with Embedded Skeleton.jpg

 

 

 

Went through all the clothing/armor mods I have last night.  Couldn't find a skeleton file in any of them.  This happens even if I don't install any of the clothing or armor mods by the way.  I have installed with nothing but the nude mods and LAPF and still have the same problem.

Use the recommended HGEC mod from the LAPF and choose the NO ANIMATIONS options.  Then install the bbb animation replacer of choice (noMaam) and finally install the LAPF.

I did use the recommended HGEC mod from the LAPF, I used the one that was linked from the LAPF Read me Files and it was the same one linked at the beginging of the post about how to install LAPF.  I have also chose the no animations options as the Read me stated I should and used the noMaam file as it also suggested I do.  

 

I'm starting to get the feeling that this one just can't be sorted out. 

[movomo]

Well, the most straightforward solution. Post the skeleton.nif that you're using. Screenshot, actual nif file, doesn't matter, just let us see what exactly it is.

If it's not the appropriate one we will know when we see it. If it's LAPF skeleton then it's archive invalidation problem on your side. Perhaps Steam is playing tricks on your .ini files, we never know.

 

Unless you're 100% certain that it is LAPF skeleton, that is. My point is that you have to be using LAPF using under ALL circumstances. HGEC says you have to use theirs? Think HOW OLD that mod is. Deadly Reflex ships their own skeleton? IGNORE IT. Skeleton constraints are embedded in the armor nif file? Then DON'T USE THAT STUPID ARMOR.

[Supierce]

If you're using DR6, you need THIS 1st-person skeleton:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1407-lapf-enhanced-1st-person-skeleton/

[gregathit]

The other thing that may be causing this snafu is if you have installed the game (or steam) into the program files directory (default location).  UAC can fuck mods up and cause this same sort of issue.

[Ravendreams]

Well, the most straightforward solution. Post the skeleton.nif that you're using. Screenshot, actual nif file, doesn't matter, just let us see what exactly it is.

If it's not the appropriate one we will know when we see it. If it's LAPF skeleton then it's archive invalidation problem on your side. Perhaps Steam is playing tricks on your .ini files, we never know.

 

Unless you're 100% certain that it is LAPF skeleton, that is. My point is that you have to be using LAPF using under ALL circumstances. HGEC says you have to use theirs? Think HOW OLD that mod is. Deadly Reflex ships their own skeleton? IGNORE IT. Skeleton constraints are embedded in the armor nif file? Then DON'T USE THAT STUPID ARMOR.

 

Don't have time to deal with it for the next 3 days, in the middle of my work week.  Plan to rip everything out and start over on the start of my weekend.  I have no issues with any clothing mods or armor mods, none of them have hidden skeleton files in them.  I ripped them all open and went sniffing for what files they did have.  

If you're using DR6, you need THIS 1st-person skeleton:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1407-lapf-enhanced-1st-person-skeleton/

 

I'm not using DR6

The other thing that may be causing this snafu is if you have installed the game (or steam) into the program files directory (default location).  UAC can fuck mods up and cause this same sort of issue.

I already moved it out of the steam folders about half way through the trouble shooting we were all doing.  I've also gone over the OBMM Archive steps and gone into the ini file in my docs to double check the archive line to make sure it matchs what it should.  

 

I have another thought that it could be that I installed the Growlfs skeleton pack when I apparently didn't need to since v1.61a of LAPF was updated to not need it.  Per the instructions in fejeenas' yellow link "!!! Edit: in the LAPF version 1.6a1 the first Person skeleton is included ! So you must not install Growlf's Universal Skeleton if you use LAPF.

If you don't use LAPF but want BBB Body, clothes and animations you must install Growlf's Universal Skeleton.".

 

Also I have taken the skeleton files from the LAPF files that I have saved on my computer (as In I saved the download for when I needed to reinstall or fix something) and I just copy and overwrite the files that are in the Oblivion folder.  But when I do that it messes up the HGEC mod so I have to put the HGEC skeleton back in which messes up the LAPF part of the mod for the penis display during its sex animations.

 

As fejeena put it so nicely : 

 

? But the HGEC Mod Skeleton has the same breast bones as the LAPF Skeleton....why you have breast stretching with the LAPF Skeleton. That cannot be ! only if you have no Skeleton with breast bones = not installed or wrong installed. But if you replace the HGEC Skeleton with the LAPF Skeleton you can not have boobs stretching.

 

I give up.

Solution: buy a new Computer

 

I overwrite the skeleton files with the LAPF files from there zip file. The breasts get streched or removed as well as the penis image during the sex scenes, and if I replace the skeleton files with the HGEC files then there back to normal but the penis is still stretched out.  Other wise everything in the LAPF mod works perfectly and just like it would be expected to.

 

Right now the Skeleton.nif is 75kb and the Skeletonbeast.nif is 75kb (in the _male folder) in the LAPF backup folder there both 95kb.  Under the _1stPerson folder the Skeleton.nif is 53kb and in the LAPF backup folder its 58kb.  

 

and the zip file is labled LAPF - vversion 1.6a1 and is 63,746 kb in size.  So it looks like its the correct file as well.

[varenne]

So now I have a question. SetBody Self cast on PC and when using H PC does not show penis? I was using HGEC H-cup LL lowerbody and have a set for that in LAPF. Do I just need to make additional lower bodies is all?

 

I'd prefer to leave the standard female as the HGEC H-cup LL for now, I may change it later, but wanted to experiment with other body sizes a bit. I'm getting a bit bored with HGEC H-cup LL on my PC and I'm also running with a shorter one at the moment. The larger bodies are IMO too large for shorter toons with the way Oblivion generates the combo of height and weight.

[fejeena]

Upper Body is not changed by LAPF and standart Lower Body is HGEC LL so you must  not changr anything.

Penis: LAPF Settings "attacking woman grow Penis"

 

You can set is also in the  ini

; Futa setting: 0-1 , Woman in attacking position grows penis.
; Default: 1 (On)
set xLoversPkrIni.Futa to 1

 

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And own LAPF lower bodies you can put in Folders  

data\meshes\clothes\as\
female meshes in a "f" folder
empty folders/numbers are 6, 7, 8, 9.

 

example lower bodies in Folders with ini  http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1073-lapf-resources/

 

I use a HGEC LL lower Body with piercings. (piercings added to the mesh. I don't like equippable piercings that block Slots , and you have no access to your inventory during sex)

I replaced a SetBody Body with my unique Body ( meshes with nipple + pussy piercings, and Hands with nails )

And I have my unique Lovers futa Lover Body in data\meshes\clothes\as\f\6

 

So I never "lose" my piercing lower Body. Strip clothes manually or during "no Futa" sex I have my SetBody Body and during "Futa" Sex I have my LAPF lower Body.

 

 

My NPCs : HGEC E Cup and LL lower. LAPF LL lower . All without piercings.

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If you use SetBody reloaded with Lovers Joystick you should get the right Futa Lower Body during set ( if you are the Offender and with Setting "Woman in attacking position grows penis" )

 

If you replace a SetBody reloaded Body with your own unique Body (e.g. with piercings) you must also replace the corresponding LoversJoystick Futa lower Body.

[varenne]

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And own LAPF lower bodies you can put in Folders  

data\meshes\clothes\as\

female meshes in a "f" folder

empty folders/numbers are 6, 7, 8, 9.

 

Thanks, that was the part I needed. My PC is futa so yeah, I want her to be futa when in the 'attacking' position. (I'm also looking at extending current functionality so a futa is displayed in the receiving position also. Like what you see in many manga series.)

 

So I just need to make HGEC L lowerbody sets with the different futa parts and add that to a folder and adjust the ini I'm assuming. 

 

Not using Lovers Joystick at this time.

[Supierce]

Varenne, if you aren't averse to Blockhead, you can do an OverridePerNPC to create a custom body for anyone, including the player. You could create a female lower body with a dick, which would appear anytime the lower body is nude. (Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're after.)

[varenne]

Yeah, no Blockhead yet. Not compatible with some of the MODs I run.

[Hayleyrose2323]

My game is crashing with the mod(Yes i turned them off for now so thats not the issue lolol.) x.x Does anyone know if im missing something? Here is a pic of my load order, not a lot to be honest.

 

[Ravendreams]

Ok I uninstalled Oblivion and re-installed it, I also re downloaded each mod and file in case any one of them was corrupt in some way.  I also kept my mod list nice and short to rule out any other mod causing the problem.  So here we go.

 

Load Order

 

Oblivion.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversBed.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversHooker.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

LoversOrgy.esp

LoversMB2.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

Screen cap of in game and what is happening:

 

[Supierce]

My game is crashing with the mod(Yes i turned them off for now so thats not the issue lolol.) x.x Does anyone know if im missing something? Here is a pic of my load order, not a lot to be honest.

 

At what point does it crash? Does the game load? If so, can you start a new game? If so, what action are you performing when it crashes?

 

 

Ok I uninstalled Oblivion and re-installed it, I also re downloaded each mod and file in case any one of them was corrupt in some way.  I also kept my mod list nice and short to rule out any other mod causing the problem.  So here we go.

 

Load Order

 

Oblivion.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp

LoversRaperS.esp

LoversBed.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

LoversHooker.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

LoversOrgy.esp

LoversMB2.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

Screen cap of in game and what is happening:

 

 

That's pretty definitely a skeleton problem, although nothing in your list should add a bad skeleton. I may have missed it earlier, but have you tried copying all three LAPF skeletons by hand from the LAPF installation package to your game? There are two in the _Male folder, and one in the _1stPerson folder.

[fejeena]

My game is crashing with the mod(Yes i turned them off for now so thats not the issue lolol.) x.x Does anyone know if im missing something? Here is a pic of my load order, not a lot to be honest.

 

If you start the game with that load order it must Crash

You have Lovers with PK esp active but the Master file Lovers with PK esm deactive.

 

And your load order: a mess, even the DLCs are not in the right order.

 

Read my yellow Link below. Oblinon install, archive invalidate and load order.

See the example load order.

 

Also read : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/12494-mods-that-are-not-compatible-with-lovers/

Personality Idles does not work well with Lovers

Also Get Wet: the wet effect and the sperm effect conflicting