The current controversy and anger of the community with the new Wicked Whims update

Happyday100 · August 4, 2022

8 minutes ago, Mr Netorare said:

The current problem is that YOU the user of the mod have to install something that was already implemented as an extra mlink and that doesn't work properly to say less on ingame saves.

Second is the hypocrisy of Turbodriver deleting this feature and trying to hide it with that Wicked trait and ingame pop up.

And third, deleting a perfectly functional update like 170h that ALREADY implemented the topics in the post, to make it buggy on purpose and deleting its links. Yes that's the problem and also that TD doesn't care about the patreons opinion and constantly censors members opinions that aren't agreeing with him. Anything else?

One file. And nothing was removed or deleted. It just checks if the file is there. And to be honest nobody gives a shit about some patreons opinion.

SysGhost · August 4, 2022

9 minutes ago, Crazy Doll said:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/9170-wickedwhims-inappropriate-unlock/

You know pretty much everyone knows about this now right?

The problem here is about the censorship and hypocrisy, not about teens f***king or not.

Happyday100 · August 4, 2022

Just now, SysGhost said:

You know pretty much everyone knows about this now right?

The problem here is about the censorship and hypocrisy, not about teens f***king or not.

Your point is: you just want to hear that you are right? The problem is you are not.

Crazy Doll · August 4, 2022

4 minutes ago, SysGhost said:

You know pretty much everyone knows about this now right?

The problem here is about the censorship and hypocrisy, not about teens f***king or not.

And you know that incest feature already been removed from WW back in days like 2 years ago coz Turbo had troubles with Patreon plateform right?

SoCalExile · August 4, 2022

1 hour ago, Mr Netorare said:

As the mods said his code, decision and rule... not even patreons can give opinion is bullshit

NO WAY THEY DELETED OTHER ONES OPINIONS CAUSE THEY CRITICIZE TURBODRIVER. ACTIONS OMFG

Fucking snowflakes, lol.

Vanilla Scent · August 4, 2022

5 minutes ago, Happyday100 said:

Your point is: you just want to hear that you are right? The problem is you are not.

Okay as I remarked early on my post, don't try to hide your conflict porpouses by "opinion". Sorry but it seems you haven't even read the topic to begin with, so please keep silence on matters that you haven't even read and stop trying to generate conflict

SoCalExile · August 4, 2022

17 minutes ago, Crazy Doll said:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/9170-wickedwhims-inappropriate-unlock/

Waiting on TD to ban this because it allows prepubescent sex now. LOL.

Mr Netorare · August 4, 2022

5 minutes ago, Crazy Doll said:

And you know that incest feature already been removed from WW back in days like 2 years ago coz Turbo had troubles with Patreon plateform right?

Yes, but no one here is talking about that feature in the post or reply section. Is about teen/teen relationships. Believe it or not some changes that Turbodriver did are fine, but don't try to change the topic smh

JMTe · August 4, 2022

25 minutes ago, Happyday100 said:

nobody gives a shit about some patreons opinion.

Those patrons are TD's lifeblood. He loses their respect, the less people will go over there and support him.

osingran · August 4, 2022

There's just so much wrong with this stance, from an every conceivable point of view, it can't seize to amaze me there're actual people, adult people no less, who unironically stand by it.

First of all, this is a mod. You probably haven't paid for it (or at least you don't have to), you don't own it and it doesn't adhere to any sort of public agreement between you - the player, and the modder themselves. Nobody owns you anything. You can screech your lungs out and namedrop broken saves and whatnot - you are not going to change it. A modder can do with their mod whatever they like, whenever they like. Just grow up and deal with it.

Secondly, don't bring all those pathetic lolicon kind of excuse. Actually, she's 1076 y.o. demon princess in a body of teen girl. Oh, you know, she's actually 16, not 15. That's just pixels on the screen and all that jazz. You may like it or not, but this stuff is either (a) simply illegal in most of the places; (b) can get you banned on social platforms if someone reports you (c) legally dubious at best. So, knowing all that, you call Turbo a coward? I mean, sure, you can do that, demand someone to possibly risk their life earnings just because you want to watch two teens fucking on the screen. It's your call. But that's incredibly hypocritical if you'll ask me.

Thirdly, what's the commotion with "teens DO have sex irl, don't censor it!!!". Yeah, sure, they do, but it doesn't make CP and lolicon less illegal. And if realism is so very important for you, why dont you just get on with "mess around" interaction? You can even install teen pregnancy mod if you feel like it. They had existed since the dawn of times after all. So, what's truly more important for you? Realism or unnecessary realistic depiction of teens having sex?

Finally, whatever your reasons are, just go and install mod that unlocks teen sex interactions back and save everyone some time, would you? I get, that you want feel as special as you are right now, you know, fighting against the censorship and for all good in the world, for your inherent right to watch teens fucking. But... just go and install it. It works perfectly fine and it doesn't break anything.

Edited August 4, 2022 by osingran

SysGhost · August 4, 2022

37 minutes ago, Happyday100 said:

Your point is: you just want to hear that you are right? The problem is you are not.

Have you read the thread?

Yes it started about the teen stuff, but quickly moderators started to remove coments that were somewhat (or fully) critical of TD's actions.

We're not talking only about the recent update. Also about stuff from the past that he's done that is questionable or just wrong (Like the malware stuff).

Firesighn · August 4, 2022

18 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

Waiting on TD to ban this because it allows prepubescent sex now. LOL.

it doesn't actually. you still have to set them as POST puberty for them to have sex. it makes no difference to me, but I don't care what other people do in the privacy of their own home with the pixels of fake people on their computer.

I think that's what bothers me, personally, most. all of these people coming out of the woodwork to accuse others who want to allows teens to have sex in their game of being pedophiles and supporting CSAM. (which is kind of shitty to survivors, imo. equating fiction to actual lived experiences? gross. infantilizing.)

and yeah, I use CSAM (child sexual assault material) instead of "CP" because "porn" implies consent. children can't consent.

but beyond that, it's fiction. people have been using fiction to explore taboo or horrible things for as long as we've had fiction. it doesn't mean that person supports such things irl. rape fantasies are some of the most common fantasies but do we honestly think the people with those fantasies support it? and man, if what I like in fiction reflected what I like in real life I'd be a raging sex addict. actually though, I'm sex repulsed.

SysGhost · August 4, 2022

3 minutes ago, Firesighn said:

I think that's what bothers me, personally, most. all of these people coming out of the woodwork to accuse others who want to allows teens to have sex in their game of being pedophiles and supporting CSAM. (which is kind of shitty to survivors, imo. equating fiction to actual lived experiences? gross. infantilizing.)

This!

I don't have too much to add. To be fair, I barely used teens anyway, what just surprises me is that it was fine for years. And now all of a sudden it's classed as CP?

SoCalExile · August 4, 2022

4 minutes ago, Firesighn said:

it doesn't actually. you still have to set them as POST puberty for them to have sex. it makes no difference to me, but I don't care what other people do in the privacy of their own home with the pixels of fake people on their computer.

I think that's what bothers me, personally, most. all of these people coming out of the woodwork to accuse others who want to allows teens to have sex in their game of being pedophiles and supporting CSAM. (which is kind of shitty to survivors, imo. equating fiction to actual lived experiences? gross. infantilizing.)

and yeah, I use CSAM (child sexual assault material) instead of "CP" because "porn" implies consent. children can't consent.

but beyond that, it's fiction. people have been using fiction to explore taboo or horrible things for as long as we've had fiction. it doesn't mean that person supports such things irl. rape fantasies are some of the most common fantasies but do we honestly think the people with those fantasies support it? and man, if what I like in fiction reflected what I like in real life I'd be a raging sex addict. actually though, I'm sex repulsed.

I'm not endorsing any of this stuff in RL. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. It's like the Satanic Panic of the 1980s where corrupt kid-sniffing politicians held an inquisition because some dudes in makeup put pentagrams on their album cover. Ironically those dudes now support the government 35+/- years later, LOL.

People were asking for an alternative to WW, and that's DD, so the WW simps came out with the morality play, on an internet sex mod site, ROFL.

DD still works, and it has nothing to do with kids, at all.

Vanilla Scent · August 4, 2022

2 hours ago, osingran said:

There's just so much wrong with this stance, from an every conceivable point of view, it can't seize to amaze me there're actual people, adult people no less, who unironically stand by it.

First of all, this is a mod. You probably haven't paid for it (or at least you don't have to), you don't own it and it doesn't adhere to any sort of public agreement between you - the player, and the modder themselves. Nobody owns you anything. You can screech your lungs out and namedrop broken saves and whatnot - you are not going to change it. A modder can do with their mod whatever they like, whenever they like. Just grow up and deal with it.

Secondly, don't bring all those pathetic lolicon kind of excuse. Actually, she's 1076 y.o. demon princess in a body of teen girl. Oh, you know, she's actually 16, not 15. That's just pixels on the screen and all that jazz. You may like it or not, but this stuff is either (a) simply illegal in most of the places; (b) can get you banned on social platforms if someone reports you (c) legally dubious at best. So, knowing all that, you call Turbo a coward? I mean, sure, you can do that, demand someone to possibly risk their life earnings just because you want to watch two teens fucking on the screen. It's your call. But that's incredibly hypocritical if you'll ask me.

Thirdly, what's the commotion with "teens DO have sex irl, don't censor it!!!". Yeah, sure, they do, but it doesn't make CP and lolicon less illegal. And if realism is so very important for you, why dont you just get on with "mess around" interaction? You can even install teen pregnancy mod if you feel like it. They had existed since the dawn of times after all. So, what's truly more important for you? Realism or unnecessary realistic depiction of teens having sex?

Finally, whatever your reasons are, just go and install mod that unlocks teen sex interactions back and save everyone some time, would you? I get, that you want feel as special as you are right now, you know, fighting against the censorship and for all good in the world, for your inherent right to watch teens fucking. But... just go and install it. It works perfectly fine and it doesn't break anything.

I can see by now you are the kind of dude that starts insulting and taking the moral part out of context to make you seem socially and morally correct, and whoever other one's opinion isn't agreeing with you, you jump.

And that's why I clarify this topic about morons who call pedophiles anyone that's not agreeing with them, you should have read that by now. But I highly doubt it since you are the only one saying this nonsense.

1- To counterpoint you, the Patreons are actually the people who paid for the mod development including me (who paid 2 months before unsubscribing).

And yes, even patreon give policies about how people can interact with the creator of the mod by tiers, and messages to see how the mod is being created or how it can be changed with the money you PAID. And to clarify this, Turbodriver ignores their feedback and censors people who don't agree with him in other forums. That's easily the best way to destroy or at least worsen your community support and work.

But since your statements clarify you don't even care about Turbodriver's career or how the community will react, it is a totally invalid argument.

2- Second and the most important part, the only one bringing here hypocrite excuses is you, victimicing yourself about the sexualitation of KIDS which is by far not the topic I exposed and will never be. And to clarify the most hypocryte part of your statement, since the mod once allowed sex between teens and adults, or incest. You seemed very comfy at that time, not clarifying your so intentions on the mod and even downloading previous versions of it... Or if you didn't even downloaded it, then why you are on a Lover's lab post?. So please at least have some moral right (Which in both cases you don't) to start talking.

3- And third, the gameplay of EA base game in the Sims 4 already gives CONSENT interactions of "woohoo" between TEENS. If your sick mind thinks KIDS can give consent of such actions then search for help. And if you have at least the basic knowledge in real life, the age of consent is 16 to 19 in almost all countries between teens. So don't try taking it out of the moral context, you are only making a fool of yourself.

4- Fourth and to shut your mouth by now, I deemed every action of sexualizing kids in the post, and clarified about 4 times that people who sexualice them deserve to be imprisoned, but you didn't read that right?

Oh and yes the term coward is a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things or actions they once did, done or will do.

But in TurboDriver's case, he was releasing his old version of supported sex between adults and teens, and in less of 3 days he deleted it and made an update "reverting" it to a wicked trait, like it didn't exist and earising all links of that version in his website and lovers lab. To not say less the malwares and rumors he started against other modders like DD. Very clear the definition of cowardly action and hypocrisy is here.

5- Since your reading comprehension is lame or actually you didn't even read it, the main topic is a difference perfectly structured between teens and your so-called prepuberts or that in your mind think they are kids, totally forgetting there is an actual life stage of them called CHILDHOOD. Which the definition implies that they aren't even getting acne, beard and other TEEN qualities like consent, that the base game gives them.

And if you think teens don't experience romances or have an active sexual life in a game or even real life, you are either wrong or then EA should have banned those interactions of "messing around" and romance, don't you think?

(Oh and to clarify the "mess around" interaction is basically sexual intercourse BETWEEN TEENS but without pregnancy and to say less WITH CONSENT, as woohoo does with adults. And it doesn't allow romance interactions between teens or adults. I don't see you complaining about wanting to ban sex interactions in general you moral prick.)

6- And to end your nonsense with a little piece of grace, we are NOT complaining about how the ingame deleted the feature between adults/elders or incest with teens. But by far, is you the only one thinking that. Where in your mind "realism", sex is only natural between adults, and not teens that's just retrograde and by far a ignorant argument. And even promoting such mods and thinking it's fine to save some time? For real just remarks how hypocryte you are.

I can see by now you are just here wanting your 3 minutes of attention with conflict or giving morals talks when you don't even follow them, hypocrite.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Vanilla Scent

Mr Netorare · August 4, 2022

1 hour ago, SoCalExile said:

I'm not endorsing any of this stuff in RL. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. It's like the Satanic Panic of the 1980s where corrupt kid-sniffing politicians held an inquisition because some dudes in makeup put pentagrams on their album cover. Ironically those dudes now support the government 35+/- years later, LOL.

People were asking for an alternative to WW, and that's DD, so the WW simps came out with the morality play, on an internet sex mod site, ROFL.

DD still works, and it has nothing to do with kids, at all.

It has nothing to do with kids and will never do but the malware of WW is and will always be there. And the guy up me literally humiliate just the "moral" hypocryte of before. And I highly doubt someone as "moral"... I mean hypocryte as him will foment the download of the mod that allows teen/adult reactions ?

Firesighn · August 4, 2022

1 hour ago, SoCalExile said:

I'm not endorsing any of this stuff in RL. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it. It's like the Satanic Panic of the 1980s where corrupt kid-sniffing politicians held an inquisition because some dudes in makeup put pentagrams on their album cover. Ironically those dudes now support the government 35+/- years later, LOL.

People were asking for an alternative to WW, and that's DD, so the WW simps came out with the morality play, on an internet sex mod site, ROFL.

DD still works, and it has nothing to do with kids, at all.

sorry I sort of lost the plot there ahah... I just wanted to point out that even in that mod it's not "prepuberty" and then my irritation with the people who keep trying to moralize all over the place got the better of me. wasn't trying to target you, with that bit.

Vanilla Scent · August 4, 2022

34 minutes ago, Mr Netorare said:

It has nothing to do with kids and will never do but the malware of WW is and will always be there. And the guy up me literally humiliate just the "moral" hypocryte of before. And I highly doubt someone as "moral"... I mean hypocryte as him will foment the download of the mod that allows teen/adult reactions ?

Oh of course he will foment the use of that mod, and is okay. But that he gives such moral talks accusing everyone of being a pedo without even him having the moral right and victimism, just makes him an hypocryte.

Gambit · August 4, 2022

Of course it's hypocryte. It's about Patreon rules and money. They are not kind with product with incest. Even if the patreon version is incest free, if they are aware that the author share by other mean a modified version or a patch including underage or incest sex, they could go ballistic (It's why it's "Wicked Assistant" and not TD the author of Inapropriate Unlock, smart isn't it ?).

And maybe TD is aware about a futur stance of EA against sex mods with teens so they clean their mod. I dunno. It's justa two pennies conspiration theorie.

But I agree with mods decision : complains about WW changes could be in another thread or a poll if anybody care.

About the "loli" rule stated above :

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This includes any character that could be seen as loli, shota, child, or underage teen, regardless of it's position as a virtual character or the intent to be passed off as a mystical race who only looks young; the only thing that matters in this respect is what the character appears to be at a glance

It's interesting because we are quite in an reverse situation : we have adult looking sims but we state that they could be pre-pubescente. So I'm not sure it's against LL rules. But still this could bring you bad mojo with Patreon.

SysGhost · August 4, 2022

27 minutes ago, Gambit said:

Of course it's hypocryte. It's about Patreon rules and money. They are not kind with product with incest. Even if the patreon version is incest free, if they are aware that the author share by other mean a modified version or a patch including underage or incest sex, they could go ballistic (It's why it's "Wicked Assistant" and not TD the author of Inapropriate Unlock, smart isn't it ?).

And maybe TD is aware about a futur stance of EA against sex mods with teens so they clean their mod. I dunno. It's justa two pennies conspiration theorie.

But I agree with mods decision : complains about WW changes could be in another thread or a poll if anybody care.

About the "loli" rule stated above :

It's interesting because we are quite in an reverse situation : we have adult looking sims but we state that they could be pre-pubescente. So I'm not sure it's against LL rules. But still this could bring you bad mojo with Patreon.

Going on the bad side of patreon I can definitly understand (hypocritcal or not). Heck I once read somewhere that they even state that if a character is canonically under 18, no matter how you depict them, that is not allowed (so even if you like depict them as 80 or something), so yeah, they are very strict and als I would assume not afraid to just strike a creator down. I believe thats also why the patreon version was always alterd from the public version.

Also I don't think it's a crazy idea that TD did this as a precaution move (wich I could understand).

Just the whole CP argument that has started... I just don't understand. Like it was fine for years and now suddenly a problem? Why?

Edited August 4, 2022 by SysGhost

***DoctaSax*** · August 4, 2022

Let me just ask to cool it with the accusation that everyone who'd prefer to keep teen sex around is a pedo. Sims 4 teens are hardly children and nobody made much of a problem of them having sex in WW before. Ofc with EA stating that some of them only just now 'start' puberty that becomes slightly more problematic than TD is apparently willing to risk, which is TD's decision. Like it or not, but it is, and there are ways around it. So there is a limit to just how outraged one side can be at TD about that. Conversely, the people defending it don't have to make it so polarizing as to shout 'pedo' left, right and center. That's needlessly antagonizing and could well bring about unwanted attention by busybodies.

Modding, on the whole, has always been about altering, reverting or needing to adapt to stupid shit game studios do. If all it takes to adapt to this is install an extra mod and pass out a trait, then that's not so hard. Let me also remind people of the first rule of LL - we think it's important, even if applying it means people will rant about TD owning us or something.

Gambit · August 4, 2022

34 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

t. Conversely, the people defending it don't have to make it so polarizing as to shout 'pedo' left, right and center. That's needlessly antagonizing and could well bring about unwanted attention by busybodies.

About that. It's simply online harrassement. Maybe something should be done about it.

Vanilla Scent · August 4, 2022

2 minutes ago, Gambit said:

About that. It's simply online harrassement. Maybe something should be done about it.

Agreed with Gambit is annoying and even disgusting that they shout that word in every post they aren't agreeing with please.

andy b · August 4, 2022

I had a whole family of incestous vampires..all gone. Just dissapeard. Now I can not even redo. What the heck. Who are these people to force their moralities on us?

DownGoesFrazier23 · August 4, 2022

41 minutes ago, Khlas said:

This thread could have been great if it wasn’t written with that much aggressiveness towards the creator.

The creator does everything he wants with his mod. You are free to vent but it sounds more like bashing the creator there than being upset about the mod change, which doesn’t let a great image to your criticism.

People are losing saves and there game is messed up. They have a right to bash that bastard he's messing with there game.

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