The current controversy and anger of the community with the new Wicked Whims update

[SysGhost]

1 hour ago, Flowerly said:

I'm confused about the legal talk here. So a fictional character commits a crime, and the person owning/creating/drawing or even watching it could get arrested for it?? This is getting rediciouless.

 

We've all seen fictional characters commit plenty of crimes. Looney Tunes shoot eachother in the face, Powerpuff Girls get harrased and physically abused by a monkey and the devil, and in hentai people get raped. It's fiction, and i honestly couldn't care less about what happens to a fictional character in a fantasy world. Same goes for a Sims 4 character.

 

The thought police needs to get off their high horse and acknowledge the huge difference between fantasy and reality. Why would YOU care about what happens in MY Sims world? Dictating to other people what they are and aren't allowed to fantasize about does not make you morally superior. Far from it.

 

Ps; Why isn't J. R. Howling in jail for Game of Thrones...

So from what I read about law regarding virtual CP.

The most important thing to understand is that for most illigal things (Murder, Abuse, etc) laws only realy apply to the real world (ofcourse there is some that applies to the virtual world, but not as strict). CP law is different, there are very strict laws surrounding both real and virtual (fake) CP. Thats why you won't be in trouble for commiting mass genocide in a game or going over the speedlimit in GTA, but might very well be voor CP or anything that could be percieved as CP. (one note: The laws around CP mention media as video/image material... so videogames fall into this grey area of yes and no at the same time)

 

So yes you could get into serious trouble for having images/videos or for example videogames that depict minors in a sexual way (so in that senese the decison of TD makes sense).

But here it also get's weird: Most of the laws I've read (these were translations so errors could be present) state that a minor has to be clearly depicted... wich is where sims 4 goes weird, becaus you can't distinguish between teen and young adult from looks and there is no official age. So all in all, law won't realy be interested in this, cause why would they? It would be a case that can go both ways (positive and negative), and I would assume they are more bussy hunting down real pedo's, instead of some simmers doing spicey stuff with there teens.

Edited August 6, 2022 by SysGhost

[SoCalExile]

50 minutes ago, SysGhost said:

So from what I read about law regarding virtual CP.

The most important thing to understand is that for most illigal things (Murder, Abuse, etc) laws only realy apply to the real world (ofcourse there is some that applies to the virtual world, but not as strict). CP law is different, there are very strict laws surrounding both real and virtual (fake) CP. Thats why you won't be in trouble for commiting mass genocide in a game or going over the speedlimit in GTA, but might very well be voor CP or anything that could be percieved as CP. (one note: The laws around CP mention media as video/image material... so videogames fall into this grey area of yes and no at the same time)

 

So yes you could get into serious trouble for having images/videos or for example videogames that depict minors in a sexual way (so in that senese the decison of TD makes sense).

But here it also get's weird: Most of the laws I've read (these were translations so errors could be present) state that a minor has to be clearly depicted... wich is where sims 4 goes weird, becaus you can't distinguish between teen and young adult from looks and there is no official age. So all in all, law won't realy be interested in this, cause why would they? It would be a case that can go both ways (positive and negative), and I would assume they are more bussy hunting down real pedo's, instead of some simmers doing spicey stuff with there teens.

 

Which begs the question: why are the sites/forums that actually host Sims CP still up? Not to mention all the shota/loli out there. 

[SysGhost]

8 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

 

Which begs the question: why are the sites/forums that actually host Sims CP still up? Not to mention all the shota/loli out there. 

Yea... who knows, my only guess it that these people/sites know tricks to bypass lawenforcement or something like that.

[LavenderCat]

1 hour ago, SysGhost said:

But here it also get's weird: Most of the laws I've read (these were translations so errors could be present) state that a minor has to be clearly depicted... wich is where sims 4 goes weird, becaus you can't distinguish between teen and young adult from looks and there is no official age. So all in all, law won't realy be interested in this, cause why would they? It would be a case that can go both ways (positive and negative), and I would assume they are more bussy hunting down real pedo's, instead of some simmers doing spicey stuff with there teens.

That's basically what most of the CP laws say.

For this reason, things like "Dollification", "Chibification", "Shotacon", and "Lolicon" all fall into a gray area and it's up for debate on the legality.

Arguably, all of them are more-so styles than actual ages, meaning the characters depicted could be anywhere from 5 to 50. This is most obvious in Anime such as Lucky Star versus Sailor Moon.

Lucky Star, despite the appearance of all the characters, takes place in high school; where as Sailor Moon, the main girl is 14 but looks much older due to the style.

Realistically, when it comes to virtual CP there is, unfortunately, a lot of gray area. No one is going to willingly confess to one of their characters who engages in sexual acts being underage, and unless you can concretely prove that said character is meant to be underage/shows a real person who is underage, the police can't do anything.

 

[Flowerly]

Given how awfull real CP is i hope they invest more time catching ACTUAL child abusers, then some bloke that likes hentai. (imagine how rediciouless it is having to proof the age of a girl you've drawn in court)

 

Honestly, when it comes to prevent IRL child abuse (or any sexual abuse) i'm the biggest advocate. I often daydream of being some rescuing superhero, or about laws to stop it. I'd create AI that recognizes nude content and force to run it on all servers. All videos and images that get flagged need to be reviewed by the server host, after that they will be held largely responsible for what's on there. I'd force an obligatory proof of consent at the start of every pornvid (make it a goverment issued verifyable code, given out by a global EU run department to stop sex traficing). I would ban bitcoin as untracable currency to make these underworld darkweb transactions more difficult. I would do alot of things... but i wouldn't jail some1 for drawing a nude teenager.

 

CP is a real life issue that needs to be adressed and taken down. Going after fictional characters does nothing for these victims. 

 

Edit:

Ps; Can some1 who knows anime/hentai take a look at my files to see if any of them are underage? I don't watch a whole lot of anime and have no idea about the age of them... At this point i'm willing to just take it all down. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Flowerly

[SysGhost]

19 minutes ago, Flowerly said:

Edit:

Ps; Can some1 who knows anime/hentai take a look at my files to see if any of them are underage? I don't watch a whole lot of anime and have no idea about the age of them... At this point i'm willing to just take it all down.

I've used some of your stuff, and from all that I can see you should be in the clear. All the characters seem to be atleast 18 if not older.

And as a other note: I think if you contained CP stuff in your files, LL moderators would have taken it down already (From what I've seen they are pretty efficient in that (I mean this in a positive way))

Edited August 6, 2022 by SysGhost

[Flowerly]

50 minutes ago, SysGhost said:

I've used some of your stuff, and from all that I can see you should be in the clear. All the characters seem to be atleast 18 if not older.

And as a other note: I think if you contained CP stuff in your files, LL moderators would have taken it down already (From what I've seen they are pretty efficient in that)

I hope so. There's lots of questionable sht in hentai and i honestly didn't care. I don't see drawings as underaged because i don't see them as living things. Fantasy and real life are worlds apart for me. That doesn't mean i expect every1 to think or be like me, so i give out alot of warnings and seperate my stuff in cathegories. (funny enough, the worst cathegory "extreme hentai" is also what gets downloaded the most..............................)

 

But despite my efforts i have no doubt there are social justice warriors with masochistic tendencies, actively looking to be offended and then cry over it. That's why i hope the LL mods warn me if anything is wrong or illegal. I care to little to get punished for this crap. 

[SysGhost]

21 minutes ago, Flowerly said:

But despite my efforts i have no doubt there are social justice warriors with masochistic tendencies, actively looking to be offended and then cry over it. That's why i hope the LL mods warn me if anything is wrong or illegal. I care to little to get punished for this crap. 

I'm pretty sure you will be warned if there is anything problematic.

I personaly never posted anything on here (download wise), but what I do remember is everytime something problematic was uploaded (either here or for other games) the files were generaly taken down pretty quickly.

[GrimGirl]

People are mad because a feature that wasn't harming anyone and could be turned off if it wasn't your thing was removed. It is obviously a feature many players used. Also for the teen-adult relationship it's not on right away. You have to go and turn it on. So if you don't like it you can just leave it off. If other people want it on for their game they should be able to without having to rely on an external mod that seems to be of shaky quality at best. Having to rely on a mod that doesn't seem to work well to have the gameplay you had before no problem. Isn't fair to the players that have been loyal, and also the ones who support them monetarily. 

 

I think the solution is put the features back with the on/off switches, or make a version for people who want those features or make the add on mod to add those features back that works. Please don't leave the people who have supported you high and dry.

 

Also if, IF TD brings back the features all I'll be is very grateful, and all I'll do is leave a 5 star review that says Thank You and download the mod. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by GrimGirl

[Daggonflies]

EA changed the terms and conditions of mods in game.  This new mod changes made to Wicked Whims complies with those new terms and conditions.  I would hate to see the entire mod banned because he didn't change it.  I don't blame Turbodriver.  EA made a mistake when making the new xpac that allowed incest without a mod.  Now they have to cover their asses and that brought on the change in terms and conditions.  

[SysGhost]

13 minutes ago, Daggonflies said:

EA changed the terms and conditions of mods in game.  This new mod changes made to Wicked Whims complies with those new terms and conditions.  I would hate to see the entire mod banned because he didn't change it.  I don't blame Turbodriver.  EA made a mistake when making the new xpac that allowed incest without a mod.  Now they have to cover their asses and that brought on the change in terms and conditions.  

So I've been reading the new Terms and Conditions, but honestly, it seems pretty much the same as before. The main difference I notice is about paywalls and early-access for mods.

Plus one counter argument is still: If they don't want it in mods, why have it in the basegame (albeit in a more "Family Friendly" way)?

 

P.S. I read it back on the 30th so if any other changes have been made or I missed something, let me know cause I'll correct my statement.

Edited August 6, 2022 by SysGhost

[SoCalExile]

Plus the new changes to paywalls hasn't stopped the WW paywall, so 'EA changing it's rules' isn't really a convincing argument for the other changes. 

 

Especially when the same people making a moral argument supporting the teen sex change are promoting a workaround by an author that is totally-not-turbodriver. 

[SysGhost]

1 minute ago, SoCalExile said:

Plus the new changes to paywalls hasn't stopped the WW paywall, so 'EA changing it's rules' isn't really a convincing argument for the other changes. 

 

Especially when the same people making a moral argument supporting the teen sex change are promoting a workaround by an author that is totally-not-turbodriver. 

Very true indeed

[SoCalExile]

Meanwhile, on  Reddit:

[LavenderCat]

50 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

Meanwhile, on  Reddit:

I mean, according to the law they shouldn't but at the same time, they still do; I think that's the big thing.

It's unspoken knowledge.

Edited August 6, 2022 by LavenderCat

[SoCalExile]

25 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

I mean, according to the law they shouldn't but at the same time, they still do; I think that's the big thing.

It's unspoken knowledge.

 

The contrast between Reddit and a dedicated sex mod community is just amusing. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by SoCalExile

[erotoman]

There is a perfect game. VR Paradise !!!!

 

It's really perfect.
Yet there is not a single animation for the game !!!!!!!!!

 

wtfxxxthstxxx pixxxxx

 

The only game that has a lot of animations is sims 4. I hate this game. There's no pornographic game like Paradise VR.

 

That's weird!!
I think sims 4 game exists because it is full of paedophile players.

 

I, for example, created women for the game almost 100% similar to reality.
I couldn't make them in Paradise.

 

There simply isn't a single pornographic game on the market in the 21st century !!! WTF is with that market ?

 

Only this pedo-game-sims4.

[jacktilldeedree]

Pretty much changed my stance on the whole thing. WW I think should not really get into any fetishes or other paraphernalia. I do think Turbo should allow for the inappropriate unlcoker thingy. or he Basically makes an nsfw+ add-on for post puberty, incest, etc. I still don't view teens as minors, they can do things like have a job and woohoo or whatever, but I get wanting to stay on EAs good side if they are trying to regress teens.

Edited August 7, 2022 by jacktilldeedree
change of mind

[SoCalExile]

7 minutes ago, jacktilldeedree said:

I talked to a mod a while ago and they said reviews shouldn't be deleted as long as you are being constructive.  Now all negative reviews are deleted. Went from almost 2 stars back to almost 5.

 

This place is now the Rotten Tomatoes of sex mods. LOL. 

[GrimGirl]

32 minutes ago, jacktilldeedree said:

I talked to a mod a while ago and they said reviews shouldn't be deleted as long as you are being constructive.  Now all negative reviews are deleted. Went from almost 2 stars back to almost 5. I respect all the hard work he has put into the mod, but td is kinda acting like a baby. stayed completely silent about the change once they made it, and acts like people aren't upset. I speculate that he did this because EA seems to be playing a more active role in cc/mods, maybe he got scared they could ban his content out of nowhere?

 

I just hope he lets mods like the unlocker thing to function properly instead of putting more sleeper code that breaks your game when you have certain mods.

 

I left a 1 star review, but I don't think it was rude or mean. I just wanted to express my disappointment and give a few suggestions on how to make everyone happy. Also EA KNOWS what WW is. At least the Sims team does. If they didn't like it they would have said something a while ago.

[erotoman]

41 minutes ago, jacktilldeedree said:

I talked to a mod a while ago and they said reviews shouldn't be deleted as long as you are being constructive.  Now all negative reviews are deleted. Went from almost 2 stars back to almost 5. I respect all the hard work he has put into the mod, but td is kinda acting like a baby. stayed completely silent about the change once they made it, and acts like people aren't upset. I speculate that he did this because EA seems to be playing a more active role in cc/mods, maybe he got scared they could ban his content out of nowhere?

 

I just hope he lets mods like the unlocker thing to function properly instead of putting more sleeper code that breaks your game when you have certain mods.

 

“It seems that you’ve been living two lives. One life, you’re Thomas A. Anderson, program writer for a respectable software company. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you… help your landlady carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias “ TURBODRIVER” and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not.”

???

Edited August 6, 2022 by erotoman

[anonymousarchiver]

On 8/5/2022 at 10:16 AM, sshar22 said:

Let me see if I may clear up a few things from the legal side

 

Sexual abuse against minors (paedophilia) has usually been encapsulated in the crime against a person, where there is a clear victim and a clear perpetrator. 

With the proliferation of media types, the line of the perpetrator has been blurred too much.

 

Lawmakers (in certain countries) have so shifted the crime like it is an illegal object/substance.

It is a scorched earth approach.

So, now it does not matter if you are doing the act, seeing the act, even drawing the act with a crayon, it is illegal. 

 

College and high school are usually attended by minors, yes, these ones are in particular pixels, but no one will care, still illegal.

 

You can easily guess what countries have this scorched earth approach and how sites, creators, mod makers, etc. are trying to protect themselves.

 

You want to change things? Well start lobbying (money), or start a political career focusing on this issue (I can assure you no politician will stake his future on something like this), Create an alternative payment dealer or server in a country with more agreeable laws. 

 

Anyway, for the moment LL and WW would probably like to avoid that type of scrutiny.

 

Cheers

 

Actually, fun fact: pedophilia is the *attraction* to prepubescent children. In other words, an involuntary feeling. What's actually criminalized is child sexual abuse, or CSA.

 

Regardless of your feelings in the morality of being involuntarily attracted to children, imagine if we lived in a world where the government could punish us for thoughts or feelings. You think, "God, I'm gonna kill that asshole", suddenly you're on trial. Or even "Oh man, that person is hot, I'd like to have sex with them". If you said it out loud it could be considered sexual harassment, yeah? But it's a thought, involuntary. People don't have control over their thoughts or feelings - only what they do because of them.

 

To make it clear, I am absolutely 100% against CSA. It's sexual abuse against people who are incredibly vulnerable, of course I'm against it.

[Wyatt1515]

so I guess I have been banned just for mentioning the review purge. pretty lame I came to trust this site over time before I even had an account. It always had smart people who were open minded and willing to help with skyrim and other games. that trust is kinda gone you can’t just delete 80 plus reviews at once. Shady to say the least. 

[CypherDivine]

Now the whole download thread is gone, all 1013 pages....

[SoCalExile]

What a lack of integrity. 

 

CN at least expresses regret and has moved on from his fuckups. WW/LL keeps trying to bury them for filthy lucre.