The current controversy and anger of the community with the new Wicked Whims update

[Celedhring]

5 hours ago, Kerrigan001 said:

High School Years is legit good.  Only thing I'm not digging, and this may have been in a regular update patch, but people running around the Sulani beach with back hair is a vibe killer! lol 

I'm surprised EA did that..there's plenty of body hair overlays out there.   Some of them make Sims look like Bigfoot. 

[SysGhost]

19 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

 

IMO it's more streamlined as far as how much it tries to do on it's own. There is an animation customizer here, which makes life easy and I've only had to adjust a couple settings with the modules otherwise - to include turning the arousal gain up. 

I've had to learn to live without some things, but the difference in performance is worth it to me. YMMV. 

To me, there is not much difference once you get the proper hang of it. And you make a good point, seeing how much the mod tries to do on it's own.

I think WW feels more streamlined as it's learning curve is next to none, and all is pretty straightforward (not saying its a bad thing). DD is just sometimes a little less clear in why somethings can and cannot be done (mainly talking about needing to assign certain kinks before interactions show up).

[Jessiebeanie]

In my personal opinion, I think that because both pre-pubecent and post-pubecent teens are a thing now it would be really uncomfortable to have the option to have an implied 13 year old do it with an implied 17 year old. I'd think that post-pubecent teens should be allowed to do it with other post-pubecent teens as they can already woohoo with each other, but not with adults since that will make people uncomfortable. I'm not sure if the inappropriate unlock add-on is up to date but if it is and you really want to watch two teenagers have animated sex because you are a pervert, go ahead.

[Celedhring]

3 hours ago, allegedly said:

Not sure of the legal shit re: Paradox, but it seems to naturally fall into a different mind's eye zone than the Sims does. CK is emphatically historical, and mostly accurate, and history was pretty brutal and/or utilitarian everywhere. Plus, there's no visible sex or nudity in CK. At least that ships default. Last I checked there weren't mods either, but that was a good couple years ago and I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least some ye olde titty by now. Either way, my point is, the gameplay nature of the Sims is different both in thematics and execution, and furthermore, it attracts a different crowd that is more willing to make a big scene about "moral issues". For whatever reason, the bulk of the Sims community seems to have a vocal overlay of pearl-clutchers. I'd be interested to see a breakdown of how many people actually care vs how many are acting outraged for the Hell of it (or because they don't wanna be yelled at)

I wanna be clear again that I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, or strictly argue in favor of any changes made here. Largely ambivalent but interested in the details.

 That's true....Isabel of Hainault was married to Phillip Augustus at the age of 11.   It was childbirth that eventually killed her (midwives and doctors didn't know to wash their hands resulting in a very high rate of maternal mortality particulary from puerpal fever.  It was very rough to be a female back then (and still is)  Then there's murder, execution, mutilation in CK2/CK3..lol and occasionally there's the amusing thread about bad things player's CK2/3 characters have done. 

Did I mention there's even an achievement called "Macabre Banquet" based on King Ferrante I of Naples who supposedly embalmed his enemies and posed them in their clothing in a gallery if your character killed/executed enough people.   Sic transit gloria mundi. XD

[jyotai]

1 hour ago, SysGhost said:

Yea thats a problem with DD, you have to change alot of settings before playing. For some reason if you don't, all sims will be sex addicts... But if you tone all settings down, the mod honestly isn't that bad... just way less streamlined than WW.

 

 

I don't suppose there is a third option out there anywhere?

 

I would love to see a mod that only used the basic EA romance system - which other mods do a great job of letting the user tweak, and then simply replaced all the 'WooHoo' interactions with running NSFW animations.

 

Let OTHER MODS decide when, where, and how often one WooHoos.

 

And since WooHoo is now an unmodded game available interaction for teens with 'Mess Around' which runs the WooHoo animation, this would solve the 'teen' issue by simply remaining hands off to it. EA added sex for teens, no mod needs to say anything about that other than "All I do is run the animations for the actions the unmodded game already has'.

 

 

 

 

[SysGhost]

28 minutes ago, goy said:

In my personal opinion, I think that because both pre-pubecent and post-pubecent teens are a thing now it would be really uncomfortable to have the option to have an implied 13 year old do it with an implied 17 year old. I'd think that post-pubecent teens should be allowed to do it with other post-pubecent teens as they can already woohoo with each other, but not with adults since that will make people uncomfortable. I'm not sure if the inappropriate unlock add-on is up to date but if it is and you really want to watch two teenagers have animated sex because you are a pervert, go ahead.

What is it with people and throwing terms like pervert? Like my guy, we all installed a f***ing porn mod... you're not less of a pervert then anyone else here.

[jyotai]

45 minutes ago, Celedhring said:

I'm surprised EA did that..there's plenty of body hair overlays out there.   Some of them make Sims look like Bigfoot. 

 

What gets me is that the game now ALWAYS gives a massive amount of body hair to my female sims. It sometimes gives a little bit to the men.

 

I think EA decided we're all playing a fantasy game about the lives of Dwarves under the mountain... O.o

 

[jyotai]

40 minutes ago, goy said:

In my personal opinion, I think that because both pre-pubecent and post-pubecent teens are a thing now

 

Remove all your Mods and you will not see this division. That's something that people in this forum came up with.

 

You only have toddlers, childs, teen, young adult, adult, and elder.

 

The teen, as of the July 27 (26?) patch, now has BOTH a romance AND a sex preference and an interaction that runs WooHoo animations.

 

EA made them more adult now.

 

My stance on this issue would be 180-degrees in the OTHER DIRECTION if EA has instead given them a Romance Preference but no sex preference. That would be what I would expect for 'kids in puppy love'.

 

If EA had done that, I'd be on the other side of the fence in this discussion, and would have gone through my game and aged up every Sim that had any level of the 'sexpertise' skill, and split them apart from the ones that were staying as "young teens".

 

BUT...

 

Instead EA gave WooHoo to teens, not modders.

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by jyotai

[sshar22]

57 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

 

I think your point is moot and based on assumptions not the letter of the law. 

 

 

You think....  

Every law is interpreted and then applied. Law 101. 

so

 

Goodbye

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, jyotai said:

 

What gets me is that the game now ALWAYS gives a massive amount of body hair to my female sims. It sometimes gives a little bit to the men.

 

I think EA decided we're all playing a fantasy game about the lives of Dwarves under the mountain... O.o

 

I noticed this, too. Every time I hit random on a female sim in CAS she walks away hairy as hairy can get. Sometimes I wonder if things like this are accidentally-on-purpose bugs, a kind of built-in troll that they can throw out and then patch away later.

[jyotai]

1 minute ago, allegedly said:

I noticed this, too. Every time I hit random on a female sim in CAS she walks away hairy as hairy can get. Sometimes I wonder if things like this are accidentally-on-purpose bugs, a kind of built-in troll that they can throw out and then patch away later.

 

I'm close to giving some of them long beards and looking for some CC to have them start carrying battleaxes and mining gear...

 

 

[Vanilla Scent]

3 minutes ago, jyotai said:

 

I'm close to giving some of them long beards and looking for some CC to have them start carrying battleaxes and mining gear...

 

 

Wooo that's awesome

[NiX10]

3 hours ago, goy said:

 I'd think that post-pubecent teens should be allowed to do it with other post-pubecent teens as they can already woohoo with each other, but not with adults since that will make people uncomfortable.

What do you consider post pubescent teen? can that be a 18yo or 19yo, because from what i understand, a 18-19 yo female can be a regarded as a teen, and if so, then there is a nothing wrong with that, i mean go on PH and you will see a shit ton of videos of 18 or 19 yo teens

 

I agree with OP, i wish EA would add more stages, split the teen stage somehow.

 

Also i really don't understand the patch 132 changes to sexual orientation, all i noticed is that now in WW the option in CAS to chose if you prefer male or female is gone, and i don't see that option anywhere else.

Edited August 5, 2022 by NiX10

[OffYellowBoi]

On 8/4/2022 at 1:33 AM, Vanilla Scent said:

Is a total shame that Turbodriver went on a guilt or moral conscience streak. And fine, is okay and morally correct that he doesn't allow sex between adults and teens, but erasing the feature between teens and other teens is just the worst decision he could have done and I will tell you why, but before that there is another point I want to touch and clarify...

 

Without even warning about the deletion of the interactions between teens to his Patreons (That PAY for the mod development) and a community that has always supported him, is just a coward move. Ruining almost everyone's experience and wasting their time invested on their saves, storylines and playthrough because now he simply doesn't feel like or that EA added ambiguity on teens interactions, that's the primal reason why people are mad. 

 

But the most annoying part is that he is being hypocritical or at least faking his previous actions in the community. Since before this update, he allowed sex interactions between teens and even with adults or weirder stuff like incest in previous releases and it was “fine”, because it can be turned off/on and was an add-on.

But that's not the reason why I think he is being hypocritical. The real reason, is that he deleted his older links of version 170h, which allowed sexual interactions between teens and adults, but changing it in less than 3 days so it won't be compatible with the current version of the game (At least for me and other people saves with constant errors of WW) and wanting to hide it with an in-game pop up of version 170i and a WICKED TRAIT, not allowing others to download the previous version from his website and LoversLab archive. And also limiting the way of the users to play the game, just making a censor strike of the bad ones if you don't agree with his actions.

 

And then there are these moron people, starting calling pedophiles everyone that isn't agreeing with them, and here is why they are wrong...

 1- First, in a game mod that once allowed sex between teens and even adults, that YOU moral idiot once download it. And now that the game has been deleted, you start complaining about other people's opinions about how the update totally destroyed their saves and their playthroughs, insulting them and taking the “moral” part out of context to feel socially correct.

That only makes you a total hypocrite and a fool to say less.

 

 2- Second, and the most controversial topic between the community.

The term teen in the Sims 4 had always started at the sim's age from 16 to 19, (Which is consent age in real life in almost every country). And why I remark this, because the game gives teen Sims almost identical bodies to adult sims and CONSENT to do "Woohoo" interactions with other teens. On the other hand I can totally see why Turbodriver didn't want adult teen relationships, but deleting the complete feature on teens romance is just wrong and not even supported by EA's gameplay.

 

 3- Third and to shut this topic, no, that's NOT pedophile because they are NOT prepubertals like some morons said (age between 10 and 15) or KIDS. They aren't doing "Woohoo" interactions with adults or even older/younger sims.

They go to highschool, which is where 80% of people have their first sexual intercourse. And to say less teenage sims have consent of sexual/romance interactions with other teens ON BASE GAME… And if you think kids can give consent, really search for help in jail. Besides, the game emphasizes it so many times that I'm getting tired of writing it over and over again. 

 

 4- Fourth and one of the most annoying reactions between the community. The Sims 4 is a GAME, if you think that a simulation program with pixels will affect your mental health or others, making them pedophiles, rapists or violent members of society... Karen's argument, just ignorant and totally invalid in a 18+ forum.  

 

 5- And fifth and last, sex is natural BETWEEN TEENS in real life, hiding and censoring it in such a brazen way is like trying to hide the sun with your finger. But directly deleting it without warning and no logical response from the creator will make the mod just get worse and worse. And opens the opportunity to more sexually explicit external programs and negative criticism of the community, like the reviews already showed.

 

(And to be honest I agree [you might not and is fine] with Turbodriver wanting to censor the kind of relationships between adults/elders and teens and incest. But not the teens/teens relationships. And one thing is clear, people who sexualize kids and are searching material for such bullshit, are not only doing illegal stuff but are disgusting in so many freaking ways that they deserve to be imprisoned for life, but this is NOT and will never be the case I'm exposing right now).

 

The solutions:

1- Turbodriver should have announced and made an in-game feature not allowing sex between teens and adults and people could have understand it and agreed, or in the worst of the cases made an extra link add-on like to the previous updates. But deleting the interactions between teens and other teens, thinking it will be for the better... Is just wrong, besides he made that change without asking or warning anyone that supported him and just thinking on his personal opinion and for last involving it on his JOB, is unprofessional and unrealistic even in EA's supported gameplay.

 

2- Add more ingame lifestages to teens. Since some morals hypocrites might see teens as kids, even though it is clarified in the post, comment section, some mods of LL and even by EA supported gameplay. That Sims 4 TEENS are hardly children or had nothing to do with kids, giving em consent of some "Woohoo" interactions and romances and nobody made much of a problem of them having sex in WW before. 

 

3- I give the credit of this idea to Wild_guy, to automatically add the wicked trait function after the game triggers the "event" of post-puberty, or some quantity of days in stage life of the sim (If you are using the automatic aging). It should have saved lots of time and the madness of the community and not allowed the download of external mods that are not supported by the TD or LL community.

 

Hope he reads this topic, because everyone right now is angry and overreacting about this change (So do I). And maybe some people might be saying in the comment section: "Hey now we have EXTERNAL mods that reimplements this feature".

Yes we do have that, but that we have to look for an external solution and to be fair more sexual explicit, for something that was ALREADY implemented before this update, gives a lot to say about the development of the mod and those on community that supports these kind of content.

 

And the popular opinion right now is that Turbodriver is destroying or at least making worse the mod he once created and having invested years of development and making the community separated because of the previous topics exposed and that he doesn't hear or read the complaints... Wicked Whims will only get worse, since the current update didn't touch this topic to update or clarify why this change besides his personal thoughts and probably won't.

 

And lastly, I do not support the harassment against TD even though I think some of his actions are hypocritical or even block headed by ignoring his community. Or support to anyone that expresses fake accusations of harassment against someone that thinks his/her counter point of view is incorrect.

One thing is justified anger because it damages the time spent of your playthrough and storylines. Then there are these idiots literally insulting, accusing and wishing death to the mod creator or the ones that have different points of view of them.

 

Tysm for reading, remember to leave a respectful and objective reply or at least try to not start an stupid conflict hide by the excuse of "opinion" bellow.

I'm sorry mate, but no. The line must be drawn somewhere and if you believe the line does not cross out this sort of content, then you're fucked in the head. It's not right

[Mr Netorare]

20 minutes ago, OffYellowBoi said:

I'm sorry mate, but no. The line must be drawn somewhere and if you believe the line does not cross out this sort of content, then you're fucked in the head. It's not right

When you don't even read the post: 

2- Add more ingame lifestages to teens

[Celedhring]

9 hours ago, jyotai said:

 

What gets me is that the game now ALWAYS gives a massive amount of body hair to my female sims. It sometimes gives a little bit to the men.

 

I think EA decided we're all playing a fantasy game about the lives of Dwarves under the mountain... O.o

 

*cackles wildly*

That reminds me of a conversation I had with my World of Warcraft guildmates as I played a female dwarf paladin who was their main healer for their tank in raids. 

It went like this...people asked if dwarf females had beards or not.  I said "Yeah they do.  It's just that they're all south of the equator.  Bonus points if they're braided or plaited"  Totally killed it. XD

I loved the spinning hair braids when the dwarven females cast spells.  That was beautiful. 

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Celedhring

[SysGhost]

7 hours ago, OffYellowBoi said:

I'm sorry mate, but no. The line must be drawn somewhere and if you believe the line does not cross out this sort of content, then you're fucked in the head. It's not right

So what I don't get about this statement... you're apperantly very much against it (wich is fine). But you downloaded the mod (most likely) when it was still in there, why go and complain about it now? You could have done that way earlier, but you didn't. And honestly, what line is being crossed now that wasn't crossed before the patch/pack?

[IrvingBerlin]

Hmm, I'm sitting here with a game that is broken, totally unusable....with I don't know how many Sims that I've created not recognizable....thinking it is because of the newest screw up of the mother company, and now it might be because of WW or something else......deleted my original game, reinstalled it..to  no effect...have downloaded WW again, DD again., MCCC again...and used a repair tool so many times and it's telling me my game is perfect!   If you'll excuse me....WTF!!!  I'm 75 years old, confined to a wheelchair,  and live alone..... and get arguments about is this F*ing pixel 16 or 17 or 29 or 106......sheesh....Like somebody said a page or two back, I come here to download WW , some sexy cc and big chested milfs...life is certainly interesting!   

Oh, and as for teens having  sex in real life...I understand many do...I was never that lucky/skilled ....and waited not by choice till I was 20!   To show you how luck runs for some of us...got the girl pregnant the very first time!  Ended up in a shitty marriage for 25 years (50/50) split on whose fault that was ..... 

There, said what I said, not sorry or upset...vented...now going to find an adult game that doesn't have  so many freaking updates and will still let me build big tit milfs...

[Traplover]

Tbh yeah, while a line should be drawn, I think since EA has made teens 16-18, and given them the option to be sexual with each other, it's BS that Turbo needs to police that. It feels like pointless virtue signaling.

[Celedhring]

Anyway it's time.  I fully confess to using DD and not using WW. I confess to jerking off wildly with a beautifully post pubescent milk maid running away after bathing in a pond completely naked because I stole her fucking clothes. Her precious heavy milk laden breasts bobbing like the jewels of the universe. They were glorious to behold...especially the coral pink taut nipples bouncing up and down like coat hangers in the chill of the winter.   

And I confess to yanking the one eyed serpent to a creamy ending at the thought of all this because I'm gladly a immoral jerk of a person in the whole wide world of various and wildly varied pleasures of the world. Some of it ain't illegal. Some of it is. I suggest you read up on the Marquis de Sade and understand exactly why today he's held to be a *cough* arbiter of philosophy. 

 

XD

 

[LavenderCat]

So, funny thing for all the WW users claiming moral superiority: the whole pack seems to be based off early 2000's teen movies.

Not sure who needs to hear this, but it was a major trope in American teen movies to have prom be a major plot point, and for it to be set during the final (senior, right before going to college) year of high school.

Sure, it could also be junior, but more often than not it's senior.

Pr-pubescent school children don't get Prom, they get "Spring Fling" or "Formal", they are less extravagant and more tailored to children (less gold/white/black, much more colorful and "poppy").

It is literally a whole genera of movie, and comparing the trailer for the pack to a teen movie, it hits all the major notes/tropes/cliches, down to the Principal's daughter thinking she can get away with anything and having a gay character.

And no, that's not a joke.

[Flowerly]

I'm confused about the legal talk here. So a fictional character commits a crime, and the person owning/creating/drawing or even watching it could get arrested for it?? This is getting rediciouless.

 

We've all seen fictional characters commit plenty of crimes. Looney Tunes shoot eachother in the face, Powerpuff Girls get harrased and physically abused by a monkey and the devil, and in hentai people get raped. It's fiction, and i honestly couldn't care less about what happens to a fictional character in a fantasy world. Same goes for a Sims 4 character.

 

The thought police needs to get off their high horse and acknowledge the huge difference between fantasy and reality. Why would YOU care about what happens in MY Sims world? Dictating to other people what they are and aren't allowed to fantasize about does not make you morally superior. Far from it.

 

Ps; Why isn't J. R. Howling in jail for Game of Thrones...

Edited August 6, 2022 by Flowerly

[Proje]

Let me just finish my family tree, then I'll update to that shitty mod breaking HSY and be on board with whatever stupid decisions modders make.

 

Hey, after all, I'm at the whim of those that develop for this game. Or, I don't know, I can just play another game. Whichever gives me less of a headache.

[SoCalExile]

16 hours ago, sshar22 said:

You think....  

Every law is interpreted and then applied. Law 101. 

so

 

Goodbye

 

Therefore I could get a speeding ticket for Mario Kart? Wut?

 

You're back to the need to provide evidence of an actual documented case of someone being convicted of a sex crime for what they did purely in a video game instead of just talking conjecture. 

 

I liked how you tried to blow off Paradox because it's in Finland but you argued (incorrect) law in Germany and Italy for a game from EA which is based in the US. ?

 

 

 

[SoCalExile]

4 hours ago, Celedhring said:

Anyway it's time.  I fully confess to using DD and not using WW. I confess to jerking off wildly with a beautifully post pubescent milk maid running away after bathing in a pond completely naked because I stole her fucking clothes. Her precious heavy milk laden breasts bobbing like the jewels of the universe. They were glorious to behold...especially the coral pink taut nipples bouncing up and down like coat hangers in the chill of the winter.   

And I confess to yanking the one eyed serpent to a creamy ending at the thought of all this because I'm gladly a immoral jerk of a person in the whole wide world of various and wildly varied pleasures of the world. Some of it ain't illegal. Some of it is. I suggest you read up on the Marquis de Sade and understand exactly why today he's held to be a *cough* arbiter of philosophy. 

 

XD

 

 

 

I confess to using DD's Pets Module for my werewolf matriarch that mothered her pack with a real wolf. 

 

I'm sure that's already a manga or historic myth somewhere. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by SoCalExile