I've got a hole in my backside. I don't need a new one. Please.

[buzzbombr]

4 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Mod Enabler is for Nioh 2. Skyrim is so yesterday. ?

Oh damn, come on man! That was a set-up sucker punch, if I ever saw one. I don't even know what heck Nioh 2 is. I just want to go back to my heavily modded Skyrim!

[buzzbombr]

12 hours ago, 3G4 said:

Obey your master.

 

 

2013, really? I was completely NMM at that point and for many years, later. Nuts. (Not the ones, they've been busting in this thread.) Thank you. That was an eye opener.

[buzzbombr]

Ladies and Gentleman. I hope you're naked, because I am. (Yeah, I know, but it's kind of how this thread started. I was just trying to be lighthearted.) What did I miss? Why is there so much animosity over what mod manager people use? Why do ya'll care so much about what mod manager OTHER people use?

 

I've never seen anything quite like this. For all intents and purposes, we're talking about a tiny, insignificant bit of software (regardless of how much effort has gone into it, let's be honest) one uses to help track modifications to a frackin' decade old game. Did everyone lose their collective (naked) (had to) marbles while I was away?

 

What gives?

[cosworth]

2 hours ago, buzzbombr said:

Oh damn, come on man! That was a set-up sucker punch, if I ever saw one. I don't even know what heck Nioh 2 is. I just want to go back to my heavily modded Skyrim!

Still use NMM Community Edition (0.83.6) as my main mod organizer, it is still reglarly updated, works well for me, way better than a couple of years ago, for any experiments I use MO.  Got my 254 plugins active and running, so yeah, happy camper so far.

Having said that, once in a blue moon NMM forgets one of its files, it resets in a minute or less, no mod gets lost (if you hit "yes"  aka go ahead- when prompted).

Tried Vortex too, simply not my cup of tea.  So how about going back to where you started from? Just saying.?

[Mister X]

51 minutes ago, buzzbombr said:

Why is there so much animosity over what mod manager people use? Why do ya'll care so much about what mod manager OTHER people use?

 

You really have to ask that? It's simply how people are.

Why do they care about how OTHER people love and have sex (BDSM is perverted, gays are antichrists ...)

Why do they care about how OTHER people treat their bodies (the latest abortion discussion in the USA, all those qAnon and "Querdenker" guys in Germany during the pandemic ...)

Why do they care about what OTHER people eat? (Militant vegans)

 

Many people don't see, that there are other ways to do things than their own. For them, there's only ONE right way to do things, and that's how THEY do it.

[Gameplayer]

3 hours ago, buzzbombr said:

WOW! Let the angst rain down upon me! Whew, my (naked) penis canal is burning almost as much as my (naked) ass! You obviously have a very strong opinion concerning my very (I now know) naïve question. I think you've answered my (naked) question in spades, and then some!

 

I'm not really sure here, but I'm thinking maybe, just possibly.... Let's check it: Yup, it would seem that MO2 "might" be the way to go, here.

 

Am I right? Did I get that right? You really weren't that clear about your opinion. I'm not sure. It's so hard to read when your so busy being naked.

 

Haha, all in good fun, it really would not be a proper thread about what mod manager to use if no one pushed it with an evangelic streek.

 

I mean no ill will, in fact I'm certain that there is a certain amount of masocistic kink involved in using a manager other than MO, the ecstasy of finally getting a massive load order to work after spending weeks nay months figuring out which mod overwrote anothers vital files must lead to quite the orgasm.  MO2 just spoils that moment of discovery by simply informing you that you have a mod(s) vital files being overwritten by another mod(s).

[buzzbombr]

22 minutes ago, Mister X said:

 

You really have to ask that? It's simply how people are.

Why do they care about how OTHER people love and have sex (BDSM is perverted, gays are antichrists ...)

Why do they care about how OTHER people treat their bodies (the latest abortion discussion in the USA, all those qAnon and "Querdenker" guys in Germany during the pandemic ...)

Why do they care about what OTHER people eat? (Militant vegans)

 

Many people don't see, that there are other ways to do things than their own. For them, there's only ONE right way to do things, and that's how THEY do it.

Well, yeah. Completely agree. That wasn't my point. Once again, I was jus wondering what the heck happened while I was away playing other games.  I asked what was to me a pretty simple question, and the replies I received were, well... Pointed, shall we say.

 

I just wasn't expecting all that, so I thought I'd ask why. Surely it's more than just people trying to force their own Mod Manager of choice onto other people who really don't care about their opinion. That would be stupid! Unless you're naked. Then you'd be naked AND stupid. Nakedly stupid? Stupidly naked? Semantics. It's all about the semantics.

[Mr. Otaku]

3 hours ago, buzzbombr said:

You sir, are obviously a scholar and a gentleman. I had no (naked) idea what a can of (naked) worms I was opening!!!

 

It's like walking (naked) into a bar you haven't been in for a decade and asking the (naked) bartender what's better, the bourbon or the scotch and have you something even better since I was last here (naked)?

 

Suddenly the whole frickin' bar of (naked) patrons explodes in a gosh-darn free for all with bar stools and broken bottles and maybe a thrown cupie doll with a ball of lead in it's ass.

 

Whew! All I wanted to do was revisit Skyrim.

 

I don't know what tf you're on about, but i agree.

[CaptainJ03]

Until May 24th I'd have said "use Vortex" - since then that piece of crap is outright broken, cannot even enable the esp of new mods nor do anything about the load order.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Gameplayer said:

 

Haha, all in good fun, it really would not be a proper thread about what mod manager to use if no one pushed it with an evangelic streek.

 

I mean no ill will, in fact I'm certain that there is a certain amount of masocistic kink involved in using a manager other than MO, the ecstasy of finally getting a massive load order to work after spending weeks nay months figuring out which mod overwrote anothers vital files must lead to quite the orgasm.  MO2 just spoils that moment of discovery by simply informing you that you have a mod(s) vital files being overwritten by another mod(s).

 

Masochists don't like it when someone tries to persuade them to remove inflicting pain.

[Grey Cloud]

7 hours ago, buzzbombr said:

Oh damn, come on man! That was a set-up sucker punch, if I ever saw one. I don't even know what heck Nioh 2 is. I just want to go back to my heavily modded Skyrim!

I gave my opinion in the fourth post. (Why aren't posts numbered any more?)

[Tlam99]

Doesn't bother me anyway, as I  can count up to 3 only.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

This might help clear things up

 

Spoiler

NMM =  

 

 

Vortex = 

 

 

Mod Organizer =  

 

 

 

 

All 3 will work(even if naked), but 1 of them will work much better.  

 

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

6 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

I don't know what tf you're on about

 

the lack of nakedness is distorting your perception  

[Mr. Otaku]

3 minutes ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

the lack of nakedness is distorting your perception  

 

"That's my secret cap, i'm always naked"

[cosworth]

40 minutes ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said:

This might help clear things up

 

  Hide contents

NMM =  

 

 

Vortex = 

 

 

Mod Organizer =  

 

 

 

 

All 3 will work(even if naked), but 1 of them will work much better.  

 

Well, bike one would for sure work great here in view of our current road conditions. ?

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

7 minutes ago, cosworth said:

Well, bike one would for sure work great here in view of our current road conditions. ?

 

I found some good info to back up your claim, fascinating stuffs

 

 

  https://www.behance.net/gallery/32588191/Rhombike-Square-wheeled-bicycle

 

[Mr. Otaku]

[Guest]

Now I'll never be able to unsee a truck twerkin'.

[pinky6225]

On 6/7/2022 at 5:15 PM, Gameplayer said:

Ehem,

 

Been modding for almost 2 decades now, your always better off using a mod manager that was purpose built for specific games.

Nexus Mod Manager and Vortex are meant to be a jack of all trades, that is these are meant to handle all games....Does that sound purposefully specific to Skyrim? No it does not.

 

When you want to build a beastly load order that will make people that use mods get mad at you simply because what right do you have to have a better experience at it than they do, go with Mod Organizer.  It was specifically made for Skyrim and to specifically handle its mods.

 

For crying out loud, we have had people pushing Nexus Mod Manager down our thoughts, up our ass, and down our penis canal and up our vaginia about how its better than FOMM even decade after it was obvious that FOMM was still the way to go hands down for Fo3/FNV.  Even Tales of Two Wasteland team members which I had the joy to talk too on discord would go on an on about how the shills for NMM were causing them loads of headache when it came to end-users coming to them about their self induced problems caused by using mod managers not built and even heavily told explicitly not to use NMM for TTW and today your not to use Vortex with TTW!  BUT Oh no you can ignore the mod developer because some rando ass dude on the internet knows better than the guys/team that built the fucking mods.

 

I build mods, you want to know what mod manager I suggest you use, its Mod Organizer 2.

 

Do you know how heavily MO2 is pushed on Youtube modding Tuts?  Do you know why?  Because we mod developers use MO2, the STEP community uses MO2, the whole fucking community that knows how to mod massive load orders uses MO2.  Every single tut online uses MO2.

 

But you know what I am going to tell you go ahead and use Vortex, because a bunch of newbies and old hats that dont develop mods tell you to use Vortex.

 

Just dont expect good help from the mod developer when you say, I use Vortex.

Get used to eye rolling and people shitting all over you because you use a shit manager because random internet dude said its alright when every fucking major tutorial maker and every major mod developer says to use MO2.

 

All of you that push a manager that is not MO2, should know better!  Because its true that STEP uses MO2, ITs true that every major personality on YouTube Tut guides use and suggest MO2, Its true that major mod teams and developers all use MO2. 

NOT Vortex,

NOT NMM,

 

You will find people still developing NMM, I dont care.

What I care about is that FOMM works for Fo3/FNV and its also still developed.

What I care about is what works.

MO2 for Skyrim, SkyrimSE, SkyrimAE, Fallout 4...Possibly even now for Fo3/FNV it was built specific to Bethesada games!

 

Witcher 3, fine we can talk about managers made specifically for W3....Wait you thought I was going to say Vortex didnt you?

 

What about SIMS4?  Can I now use Vortex? NO use a mod manager made for SIMS4! dont fall into general manager traps.

 

BUT I want to mod RimWorld!?  CannIuse Vortex?  Hell No! there is a mod manager called "mod manager" on Steam for that game!

 

But I want to play XCOM? surely I can use Vortex?  Oh sure you can but it wont be as good as the Mod Manager specifically made for that game!

 

GAMEPLAYER??? What the Fuck rant!!!!  WHY?

Because IF a game has a large mod follower it always has a specific built manager for it and its always better than generalist manager thats why I mentioned all the other games.

 

Out of curiosity have you actually tried to use vortex for skyrim? get your kinda enthusiastic for MO2 so sounds kinda weird you'd have given it a try

[Gameplayer]

2 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Out of curiosity have you actually tried to use vortex for skyrim? get your kinda enthusiastic for MO2 so sounds kinda weird you'd have given it a try

 

Would you go buy another car from a car lot that sold you a real sucker of a car that caused you nothing but grief?

 

You probably dont remember NMM.

 

Your likely not aware that NMM was pushed hard for use with Fo3 and FNV...Meanwhile the go too manager was FOMM.

 

It is the same way with all games that have a serious mod following there is always a specific built mod manager built by the fans that is always better than a generalist manager.

 

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Your answer No, I have not used Vortex and I am aware of what it can actually do, which MO has already and has had for many years over before Vortex was even available.

 

Want to end with something super cool, Video of amazing BSA packer for TES/Fallout games,

Cathedral Assets Optimizer, if you dont use it your a heretic!

Also the guy shows how on several mod manager even some heretical manager called Kortex, Booo.

Turns out this little gem of a mod tool can pack your Fallout 4 mods textures and meshes....Since BSA's are faster this ends up helping lower end computers with stutter.

 

13.6 gigs of textures packed into BSA format, easy enough to mark those ESP's as ESL's.

Edited June 9, 2022 by Gameplayer

[yorpers]

As someone who has spent more time modding skyrim LE than actually playing it, I agree with Gameplayer and others here that MO2 is the way.? It does what you need it too. You can have a stable game experience with vortex, NMM, wyre bash, full manual, whatever else is out there... but MO2 is what most people that have played for a long time use. Therefor it is easier for people to provide support with if you end up needing any.

[xkcorruption]

On 6/7/2022 at 12:15 PM, Gameplayer said:

Ehem,

 

Been modding for almost 2 decades now, your always better off using a mod manager that was purpose built for specific games.

Nexus Mod Manager and Vortex are meant to be a jack of all trades, that is these are meant to handle all games....Does that sound purposefully specific to Skyrim? No it does not.

 

When you want to build a beastly load order that will make people that use mods get mad at you simply because what right do you have to have a better experience at it than they do, go with Mod Organizer.  It was specifically made for Skyrim and to specifically handle its mods.

 

For crying out loud, we have had people pushing Nexus Mod Manager down our thoughts, up our ass, and down our penis canal and up our vaginia about how its better than FOMM even decade after it was obvious that FOMM was still the way to go hands down for Fo3/FNV.  Even Tales of Two Wasteland team members which I had the joy to talk too on discord would go on an on about how the shills for NMM were causing them loads of headache when it came to end-users coming to them about their self induced problems caused by using mod managers not built and even heavily told explicitly not to use NMM for TTW and today your not to use Vortex with TTW!  BUT Oh no you can ignore the mod developer because some rando ass dude on the internet knows better than the guys/team that built the fucking mods.

 

I build mods, you want to know what mod manager I suggest you use, its Mod Organizer 2.

 

Do you know how heavily MO2 is pushed on Youtube modding Tuts?  Do you know why?  Because we mod developers use MO2, the STEP community uses MO2, the whole fucking community that knows how to mod massive load orders uses MO2.  Every single tut online uses MO2.

 

But you know what I am going to tell you go ahead and use Vortex, because a bunch of newbies and old hats that dont develop mods tell you to use Vortex.

 

Just dont expect good help from the mod developer when you say, I use Vortex.

Get used to eye rolling and people shitting all over you because you use a shit manager because random internet dude said its alright when every fucking major tutorial maker and every major mod developer says to use MO2.

 

All of you that push a manager that is not MO2, should know better!  Because its true that STEP uses MO2, ITs true that every major personality on YouTube Tut guides use and suggest MO2, Its true that major mod teams and developers all use MO2. 

NOT Vortex,

NOT NMM,

 

You will find people still developing NMM, I dont care.

What I care about is that FOMM works for Fo3/FNV and its also still developed.

What I care about is what works.

MO2 for Skyrim, SkyrimSE, SkyrimAE, Fallout 4...Possibly even now for Fo3/FNV it was built specific to Bethesada games!

 

Witcher 3, fine we can talk about managers made specifically for W3....Wait you thought I was going to say Vortex didnt you?

 

What about SIMS4?  Can I now use Vortex? NO use a mod manager made for SIMS4! dont fall into general manager traps.

 

BUT I want to mod RimWorld!?  CannIuse Vortex?  Hell No! there is a mod manager called "mod manager" on Steam for that game!

 

But I want to play XCOM? surely I can use Vortex?  Oh sure you can but it wont be as good as the Mod Manager specifically made for that game!

 

GAMEPLAYER??? What the Fuck rant!!!!  WHY?

Because IF a game has a large mod follower it always has a specific built manager for it and its always better than generalist manager thats why I mentioned all the other games.

see the problem with that was it was so many freaking years ago that fomm was GARBAGE but  NMM worked well at the time it no longer does though community edition can handle small unzips it cant properly place ESM or esp where they should go and fails. and just so happens i dusted my good ole "nvmods old" zip folder and decided to once again enjoy digital debauchery so thanks for the heads up. NMM community edition fucking sucks. i wont even get into how the steaming pile of shit that is vortex should come with the creators and developers death sentence. so its time to learn MO2? please tell me its not retarded like vortex when migrating my mods folder?

[Inajira]

On 6/8/2022 at 5:23 AM, buzzbombr said:

WOW! Let the angst rain down upon me! Whew, my (naked) penis canal is burning almost as much as my (naked) ass! You obviously have a very strong opinion concerning my very (I now know) naïve question. I think you've answered my (naked) question in spades, and then some!

 

I'm not really sure here, but I'm thinking maybe, just possibly.... Let's check it: Yup, it would seem that MO2 "might" be the way to go, here.

 

Am I right? Did I get that right? You really weren't that clear about your opinion. I'm not sure. It's so hard to read when your so busy being naked.

Just reading your responses to all that naked nastiness cracks me up? I hope you got your questions sorted out from those that were prepared to help. I've come back to Skyrim modding a couple of times. Send me a message if you're stuck with anything?