The End for UNP blessed body UNPB

[Guest]

I think the flaming should just stop, let's just sit back and watch what happens because if he doesn't stop that he's sooner or later gone anyway.

 

It's pretty much the same as with Elewin. Alot of people got worked up over her but everything worked itself out.

[ElectricSheep]

 

(...) games can't be the target of moral actions. (...) If the portrayal of women in videogames has a negative impact on real, breathing women, then the portrayal of the value of human life in games must have an impact on the value of human life in reality, too.

 

You can't consider every aspect of a game on the same basis; as an interactive medium made for entertainment, a computer/video game has its own unique characteristics. One of those characteristics is gameplay: the way that a game is played, what you do in order to advance and eventually win, which means wacking moles as well as collecting virtual apples that may not even exist in lore (another example are hints, like Snake push the [Action] button). That's why you cannot equate gameplay with narrative part of a game or its design. You said that "video game characters are not persons, they are mere objects" - I do not fully agree, since there's a difference between a bandit attacking player on sight, and a companion who has his or her own virtual personality. That's why RPG games differentiate killing regular mobs from killing essential characters - in the first case you kill, in the second you decide to kill with all the consequences. Of course the difference is not always so clear, it all depends on a game; for example, "The Walking Dead" by Telltale Games has only minimal interaction and killing someone is always a very big deal.

 

"The portrayal of women" is not something a game does only for the sake of being a game - there's a reason for which big boobed Lara Croft became part of pop culture, and for which her design was gradually changed. But again, it's a vast topic.

 

I also disagree that games can't be the target of moral actions, since making a game in which you play as a pedhophile who kidnap and rape kids I'd consider morally sick and vile.

 

[Epyon#]

 

 

(...) games can't be the target of moral actions. (...) If the portrayal of women in videogames has a negative impact on real, breathing women, then the portrayal of the value of human life in games must have an impact on the value of human life in reality, too.

 

You can't consider every aspect of a game on the same basis; as an interactive medium made for entertainment, a computer/video game has its own unique characteristics. One of those characteristics is gameplay: the way that a game is played, what you do in order to advance and eventually win, which means wacking moles as well as collecting virtual apples that may not even exist in lore (another example are hints, like Snake push the [Action] button). That's why you cannot equate gameplay with narrative part of a game or its design. You said that "video game characters are not persons, they are mere objects" - I do not fully agree, since there's a difference between a bandit attacking player on sight, and a companion who has his or her own virtual personality. That's why RPG games differentiate killing regular mobs from killing essential characters - in the first case you kill, in the second you decide to kill with all the consequences. Of course the difference is not always so clear, it all depends on a game; for example, "The Walking Dead" by Telltale Games has only minimal interaction and killing someone is always a very big deal.

 

"The portrayal of women" is not something a game does only for the sake of being a game - there's a reason for which big boobed Lara Croft became part of pop culture, and for which her design was gradually changed. But again, it's a vast topic.

 

I also disagree that games can't be the target of moral actions, since making a game in which you play as a pedhophile who kidnap and rape kids I'd consider morally sick and vile.

 

 

I think you need to unplug my friend. not play games for a while maybe. By all means you don't have to at all. But the fact you bring pedofilia into this means you have some issues that no one here is able to help you with or figure out. This si a forum where we share ideas, and some of the people here as wizards and can make what people ask for and put it into the game.

 

If this game keeps pedofiles off the streets and modding the little girl they want then it is better then nothing, at least i know if i ever have a doughter that she is a little bit safer. The fact is no one here can help you with these issues. Go to a forum or start a rally or start a rally and make actual progress. Games are just this. electricity.

 

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[ElectricSheep]

 

... What?

[zz2tommy]

I..I think....s/he is arguing that allowing pedophilia proliferate on a site or in a game is keeping individuals from becoming active pedophiles in reality??

 

I suppose I can see where you're coming from with this? maybe?? But no, I too am 1000% against pedophilia as it goes beyond mere sexual/physical preference because quite honestly, pedophiles are preying on persons who are not of age that are not able to make their own decisions. It is immoral and illegal for reasons.

[lordofthedread]

 

 

(...) games can't be the target of moral actions. (...) If the portrayal of women in videogames has a negative impact on real, breathing women, then the portrayal of the value of human life in games must have an impact on the value of human life in reality, too.

 

You can't consider every aspect of a game on the same basis; as an interactive medium made for entertainment, a computer/video game has its own unique characteristics. One of those characteristics is gameplay: the way that a game is played, what you do in order to advance and eventually win, which means wacking moles as well as collecting virtual apples that may not even exist in lore (another example are hints, like Snake push the [Action] button). That's why you cannot equate gameplay with narrative part of a game or its design. You said that "video game characters are not persons, they are mere objects" - I do not fully agree, since there's a difference between a bandit attacking player on sight, and a companion who has his or her own virtual personality. That's why RPG games differentiate killing regular mobs from killing essential characters - in the first case you kill, in the second you decide to kill with all the consequences. Of course the difference is not always so clear, it all depends on a game; for example, "The Walking Dead" by Telltale Games has only minimal interaction and killing someone is always a very big deal.

 

"The portrayal of women" is not something a game does only for the sake of being a game - there's a reason for which big boobed Lara Croft became part of pop culture, and for which her design was gradually changed. But again, it's a vast topic.

 

I also disagree that games can't be the target of moral actions, since making a game in which you play as a pedhophile who kidnap and rape kids I'd consider morally sick and vile.

 

 

Men will always tend to sexualize women, thats a fact because thats how a male brain functions but thats not the debate here, the discussion is about a guy who freakin made a nude body with big boobs (UNPB) and now made a 360 and is vomiting on others that make women with big boobs.

 

I still find astonishing that nobody is shocked by mods like Deadly Mutilation but as soon as we touch to the women image or sex its up for debate.

 

I dont see where the pedophilia is coming along here, I doubt that you added that to the subject to be contructive but more to create a debate that again has nothing to do with the OP and the discussion that followed.

 

Just so you know, there are perfect examples of unatural bodies in real life with very famous girls like Pamela Anderson or even this one I just discovered : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqmQrITGpY, I find that a lot more disturbing than any body mod roaming around the Skyrim community.

 

Again I find a lot more disturbing that porn is quite widely accepted but porn in games is usually evil, no matter how much personality you think a follower has it is not a freakin person.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

I could say a whole lot about this, but people here get angry at me when I talk about women and feminism, so I'll just say that I'm glad I never used UNP, so I never in some way supported this person before they went off the deep end.

[Epyon#]

I..I think....s/he is arguing that allowing pedophilia proliferate on a site or in a game is keeping individuals from becoming active pedophiles in reality??

 

I suppose I can see where you're coming from with this? maybe?? But no, I too am 1000% against pedophilia as it goes beyond mere sexual/physical preference because quite honestly, pedophiles are preying on persons who are not of age that are not able to make their own decisions. It is immoral and illegal for reasons.

 

Never said it would stop pedophilia 100% or at all. But I said if they are taking that negativity into a computer game then little kids......

Is better then nothing. And I didn't say that it was any better either. I am against pedophilia lie everyone else in here. Hope that cleared

that up. But even just one male or female pedofiler is putting more of that crap into a game then it is one less fktard I wont have to worry about.

[ShadowGearX]

I could say a whole lot about this, but people here get angry at me when I talk about women and feminism, so I'll just say that I'm glad I never used UNP, so I never in some way supported this person before they went off the deep end.

UNP was created by "Dimon" Calyps then modified his body and created "UNP-Blessed"

 

Personally, I'm not even mad anymore. Like everyone says, its the persons decision in the end. What pissed me off in the first place was him attacking mods he didn't like. Your ideals don't matter to me, or your sexual preference. You want to be a feminist? hey fist pump on! You wanna be gay or straight, do the damn thing. You wanna make non-sexualized mods, do the damn thing. You wanna make sexualized mods, do the damn thing. You wanna make animated wangs,boobs, butts, and vaginas? BRO HUG! lol

 

Like everyone says, constructive criticism, praise, or a question requiring help are whats suppose to be posted in the comments sections. Being a mod author, regardless of ideals or stance on real life topics. He does not have the right to belittle or trash talk ANYONE else's mods.

[ElectricSheep]

 

I still find astonishing that nobody is shocked by mods like Deadly Mutilation but as soon as we touch to the women image or sex its up for debate. (...) Again I find a lot

more disturbing that porn is quite widely accepted but porn in games is usually evil, no matter how much personality you think a follower has it is not a freakin person.

"Nudity/sex vs violence" in games has been discussed to death and has nothing to do with the OP. Yes, we all know it's ridiculous.

 

 

I dont see where the pedophilia is coming along here, I doubt that you added that to the subject to be contructive but more to create a debate that again has nothing to do with the OP and the discussion that followed.

It has to do with the discussion that followed and that you apparently were not kind enough to read, despite the last few posts.

 

I used 'pedhophilia' as a plain example of why I disagree with GrimReaper that games can't be the target of moral actions.

 

 

Just so you know, there are perfect examples of unatural bodies in real life with very famous girls like Pamela Anderson or even this one I just discovered

What does it have to do with anything that I've said?

 

 

 

But I said if they are taking that negativity into a computer game then little kids...... Is better then nothing.

So for that sake this forum should support such themes in mods? Couldn't disagree more and AFAIK it doesn't.

 

 

 

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And again, just to make things clear, I'm neither a feminist, neither a feminism enthusiast - quite opposite actually.

[Duoleb The Chosen]

 

I could say a whole lot about this, but people here get angry at me when I talk about women and feminism, so I'll just say that I'm glad I never used UNP, so I never in some way supported this person before they went off the deep end.

UNP was created by "Dimon" Calyps then modified his body and created "UNP-Blessed"

 

Personally, I'm not even mad anymore. Like everyone says, its the persons decision in the end. What pissed me off in the first place was him attacking mods he didn't like. Your ideals don't matter to me, or your sexual preference. You want to be a feminist? hey fist pump on! You wanna be gay or straight, do the damn thing. You wanna make non-sexualized mods, do the damn thing. You wanna make sexualized mods, do the damn thing. You wanna make animated wangs,boobs, butts, and vaginas? BRO HUG! lol

 

Like everyone says, constructive criticism, praise, or a question requiring help are whats suppose to be posted in the comments sections. Being a mod author, regardless of ideals or stance on real life topics. He does not have the right to belittle or trash talk ANYONE else's mods.

 

 

but in his case he's acting like a jerk to everybody, even with those who helped him with tests and debugs, 1 day or other nexus will ban him due to his behavior(obvioulsy dante will ban him)and even if he tries to upload his mod via Steam workshop, everyone will abandon him sooner or later

 

then he and the other femlesbonazis that he met will whine about this with that bitch sarkeesian:

 

"Nheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, the gaming community its full of jerks who doesnt care about woman"

 

fuck you asshole, you're dumb or someone raped you dressed as Batman when you were young? its a game, a High Fantasy Game where NOTHING about or world applies there, even the RL rules, a World full of lizard, dragon, tiger, cat, dog, elven dwarf and even people with magic powers, strange bodies and who doesn't care about that, all games are like this, even the freakin Dead or Alive which is full of fanservices and girls with 108cm of boobs

 

the Comics do this a lot and the authors, public and even the female % who reads comics manga and etc. doesn't even care, some renown female artists who works for DC or Marvel like Cris Peter doesn't care about that, its fiction

 

but, there are other body mods like dimon or caliente(now seven's body too)

 

now Calyps will be forgotten sooner or later due to his attitudes and behavior, he dug his own grave, now fuck it.

 

(damn, i need to chill, im facing a lot of Xbone fanboys today in another community and its boring)

[Rayblue]

Yeah, and as I say before, his noggin snapped somewhere that he decided to attack the very player base he once offered his mods to and made him popular. Attacking other mods and authors will ensure that he'll be dead in cyberspace, and heck, the backlash'll hit him in real life.

 

Also, as far as Tumblr is concerned, in reaction and as it's full of fandoms it can be very vicious; I've seen a comment about modding that instantly got flamed down and forced its author to delete it off.

[ElectricSheep]

He changed the name of his blog to "calyps-betrayerofboners.tumblr.com".

[ShadowGearX]

He changed the name of his blog to "calyps-betrayerofboners.tumblr.com".

his whole thought process is that because we like UNPB and the like, were all just sitting here playing skyrim with erections. I'm sure some of us don't have tall enough desks for that to be true lol

[calyps]

Oh my. 

 

So much hate, distortions, and lies. 

 

As I said, I respect the work that other modders put into UNPB and they (Mr. Troublemaker, xp32, all the armor converters and makers) are free to continue UNPB. I simply do not wish to participate or promote it anymore and have therefore taken down MY mod page which I'm sure is being transferred to Mr. Troublemakers pages as we speak, or already has been. 

 

And btw, I made 2 comments on one mod because a flame war had erupted but nothing constructive was being said...then I suggested that since rape is not allowed on the nexus, a tentacle rape mod depicting rape is out of bounds and should be reported. I've become a brainwashed monster, clearly.

 

As to the blog name change...lol.

[GrimReaper]

 

You can't consider every aspect of a game on the same basis; as an interactive medium made for entertainment, a computer/video game has its own unique characteristics. One of those characteristics is gameplay: the way that a game is played, what you do in order to advance and eventually win, which means wacking moles as well as collecting virtual apples that may not even exist in lore (another example are hints, like Snake push the [Action] button). That's why you cannot equate gameplay with narrative part of a game or its design. You said that "video game characters are not persons, they are mere objects" - I do not fully agree, since there's a difference between a bandit attacking player on sight, and a companion who has his or her own virtual personality. That's why RPG games differentiate killing regular mobs from killing essential characters - in the first case you kill, in the second you decide to kill with all the consequences. Of course the difference is not always so clear, it all depends on a game; for example, "The Walking Dead" by Telltale Games has only minimal interaction and killing someone is always a very big deal.

 

"The portrayal of women" is not something a game does only for the sake of being a game - there's a reason for which big boobed Lara Croft became part of pop culture, and for which her design was gradually changed. But again, it's a vast topic.

 

I also disagree that games can't be the target of moral actions, since making a game in which you play as a pedhophile who kidnap and rape kids I'd consider morally sick and vile.

 

 

So killing is okay because it's a part of gameplay? That doesn't make any sense since gameplay does not imply killing. You can make games that don't involve killing, there is no need that you portray humans in games as things you can kill for fun or to advance. Sorry, I don't think your point is valid. Killing humans for the sake of entertaining the player is not something that is automatically given, it's an active and intentional choice from the games' developers. Killing in games is fun and not something that is there because there is no other way. It doesn't just happen on the way.

 

About pedophilia, well I kinda knew this topic would crop up sooner or later, it's almost like Godwin's Law. The problem with games with pedophiliac content is that there are no victims. Raping a kid in a video game is nothing that actually harms anyone. It's why the senseless murder in games like GTA for example, is nothing that can be considered wrong. There is a definite line between games and reality, if you deny that line, you are opening a can of worms. The whole arguement boils down to "there are things in games that are subject to moral judgement". And, like I said, this is your premise then. You can't say murder and killing is okay because it's just gameplay and on the other hand that sexism against women is not. Both are statements about what is wrong and right. And last time I checked, murder is something that is more evil than say, making a joke about women belonging into the kitchen or photoshopped versions of women.

 

[Jexsam]

You targeted Estrus because the image depicted what you assume is rape.  You don't know if it is or isn't, you based that entirely on your interpretation of the expression of the face of a video game character, in a game with sub-par facial expression work.  You cannot assume everyone who uses Estrus is using it with the intent of raping their character, nor can you with any certainty claim that the mod's intent was rape specifically.  You attacked Estrus, and suggested others attack it, on personal bias alone, with no facts beyond one single solitary clip that is of debatable presentation.

 

I just thought I'd point that out.

[ShadowGearX]

You've made more comments then that and you know it, some authors are just mature enough to remove it to avoid issues. Obviously your attempt to get the tentacle mod removed failed, but who are you to say its out of bounds? Multiple movies, tv shows, books, etc., etc. depict rape and are best sellers. Personal views that don't agree with someones work don't give you the right to belittle and down talk their work on their mod page, thats what your blog is for. 

You should read your partners post on your body mod page a couple of times and let it sink in. This can go for ANY mod and ANY person.

"To reiterate: Zero tolerance on transphobic/bigoted/hateful comments. You WILL be reported and possibly banned if you post any, so move along in silence if you have a problem with trans* support in the mod. You don't need to download it. Just have basic human decency for us and those who do want to use it - we don't need nor care to hear about your problems regarding it."
 

[calyps]

You've made more comments then that and you know it, some authors are just mature enough to remove it to avoid issues. Obviously your attempt to get the tentacle mod removed failed, but who are you to say its out of bounds? Multiple movies, tv shows, books, etc., etc. depict rape and are best sellers. Personal views that don't agree with someones work don't give you the right to belittle and down talk their work on their mod page, thats what your blog is for. 

 

You should read your partners post on your body mod page a couple of times and let it sink in. This can go for ANY mod and ANY person.

 

"To reiterate: Zero tolerance on transphobic/bigoted/hateful comments. You WILL be reported and possibly banned if you post any, so move along in silence if you have a problem with trans* support in the mod. You don't need to download it. Just have basic human decency for us and those who do want to use it - we don't need nor care to hear about your problems regarding it."

 

Yes, because wanting to RP a transgender character, and me wanting to provide the opportunity for transgendered women to have a body that isn't fetishized is totally equivalent to some guy making a tentacle rape mod. Absolutely the exact same thing. 

 

Also, reporting something is not attacking it. The moderators have say over whether a mod stays up or comes down, reporting it doesn't do shit but bring it to their attention.

 

Please continue to exaggerate for effect though. It makes me feel so much more like a brainwashed monster.

[Mana Yakushima]

Lol...this is a pretty stupid argument. I'm not even sure what everyone's arguing over, really. And It's kind of weird why people don't understand why Nexus is, the way it is. Nudity is one thing, but that other stuff doesn't look good for an actual business. Yes, Skyrim Nexus is a business, and there are plenty of ultra violent things on Nexus, but so what? That's just how society is these days, right or wrong. This also explains why companies like Illusion have never released anything outside of Japan.

[Jexsam]

women to have a body that isn't fetishized

"Isn't fetishized"? CNHF has no shape but "perfect". The weight slider it has is just "how much hips, ass, and tits do you want?" just like every other body mod in existence, but with demonstrably less overall variation. There's no realism there at all - every single woman in Skyrim is a perfect Amazon with CNHF! Even the Trans body is just the same damn female body with a dick attached - they don't look anything like an actual trans woman who doesn't have the money to go through multiple cosmetic surgeries to look like a real women (which I would imagine would also involve penis removal, since that's a pretty big symbol of manhood, which I was under the impression was what a trans-woman didn't want to be anymore). Where's the skinny? Where's the obese? How is your perfect Amazon not fetishized? And how are you a Betrayer of Boners when the core of your body mod is distributing sexy naked woman - the same as every other body mod ever?

 

As for "attack". So maybe that wasn't quite the right word. But I would still say that intentionally calling for others to report something specifically because you find it distasteful is malicious.

[Monsto Brukes]

1) Oh Noes . . . what is this, some kind of work-team drama that ended in a split where one person appears to have lost their mind? Never seen that on the interwebs before.
 
2) Personally? I can't stand UNP body . . . the square hips and the waist that's up somewhere around the armpits. This CFNM body looks the same. But you know what that means? It means I don't download it.
 
3) http://calyps-betrayerofboners.tumblr.com/post/51591346568/femfreq-this-is-the-second-in-a-series-of-three
This right here is my favorite fucking post on that page. 
 
Here's who I am: I play video games. I have a pc (tht I used to mainly program on) that is my main steam gaming system, and I drop probably $2k/yr on video games... mostly steam. My kids all play steam games, wii and 360 some, and have tablets (android). On my phone and tablet (android devices), I have Flipboard and 2 or 3 other news aggregation apps where the video games topic is "above the fold". I read tech business (engadget, cnet, lifehack, etc), video games and sci tech (space, physics, computing, etc) along with general and world news for averaging probably about an hour a day. As a black male in his late 40s, I consider myself informed and smartly opinionated (altho it's hindered by a lack of cable tv to go along with the internet... I'm kinda tardy getting certain news).
 
So after reading that post, I was seriously confused. . . The tropes described in that post? I have NEVER heard of ANY video game that uses any of that shit. The Damsel in the Refridgerator? What the hell... Disposable or Euthanized Damsel? Jesus H Fucking Christ on the motherfucking cross . . . where the hell did that person come up with that shit?
 
Anyway, the problem with labeling something a "trope" is that the person that comes up with the definition gets to call it a trope. That doesn't mean it's a fucking trope. All it means is that you called it one. 
 
You know what? Get over it. As a black man that works with people who are racist by ignorance and arrogance (meaning that they're racist, don't realize they're racist and they'd refuse to believe that their behaviour is racist), I personally couldn't give a runny shit less about some white guy decrying foul for his latest pet cause. Since 2 years ago it seems that you were nowhere near feminism, lets see where you are 2 years from now. 

 

Meantime, I'll just go ahead and continue to deal with racists on a daily basis.

[Rayblue]

 

 

 Personally? I can't stand UNP body

 

Why knock on that mod when you have ADEC? 

[lordofthedread]

 

You've made more comments then that and you know it, some authors are just mature enough to remove it to avoid issues. Obviously your attempt to get the tentacle mod removed failed, but who are you to say its out of bounds? Multiple movies, tv shows, books, etc., etc. depict rape and are best sellers. Personal views that don't agree with someones work don't give you the right to belittle and down talk their work on their mod page, thats what your blog is for. 

 

You should read your partners post on your body mod page a couple of times and let it sink in. This can go for ANY mod and ANY person.

 

"To reiterate: Zero tolerance on transphobic/bigoted/hateful comments. You WILL be reported and possibly banned if you post any, so move along in silence if you have a problem with trans* support in the mod. You don't need to download it. Just have basic human decency for us and those who do want to use it - we don't need nor care to hear about your problems regarding it."

 

Yes, because wanting to RP a transgender character, and me wanting to provide the opportunity for transgendered women to have a body that isn't fetishized is totally equivalent to some guy making a tentacle rape mod. Absolutely the exact same thing. 

 

Also, reporting something is not attacking it. The moderators have say over whether a mod stays up or comes down, reporting it doesn't do shit but bring it to their attention.

 

Please continue to exaggerate for effect though. It makes me feel so much more like a brainwashed monster.

 

First let me just say that I am happy that you joined the debate, because after all it started because you removed your mod page from the Nexus.

 

Your choice in that matter is yours and respectable, not that I agree with it.

But then targeting a mod that does not apply to your standards is a wrong move, Nexus moderators are very aware of Estrus, it is on Oblivion Nexus also since a few years and even more advanced.

Again reporting a mod and making hateful comments are two very different things, things you are free to make on your own blog but definitly not on the mod page as stated on Nexus rules.

 

You just cant change how males are thinking and playing with tentacles or an amazon body in a video game does not affect in any way my personal relationship with women, I dont ask them to play with tentacles, to get raped or even to make surgical enhancements to look like amazons in any way. I keep that to the fantasy worlds I get in video games.

 

I am maybe not representative of the male population but i dare say that there are many people that do think like me, that fantasy and virtual worlds should not be treated as actual rape and disminishing of the women image, hell if we didnt liked women we would play big musuclar guys only.

 

I watched the videos of this girl just to know what we are talking about and for me this is a lot of bullshit, either we totally stop the use of anything that is not tolerated by the law (violence, racing on open roads so pretty much every kind of game is targeted), or we leave people using this medium as they see fit (especially in a modding community), this wont stop any kind of porn, mangas, comics, movies and so on that depict the same violence and sexual behaviors, yet this girl is only speaking about games which are IMHO far from the worst you can find out there.

[winny257]

hello people!

it's not about a body - mod, the human race is indeed diverse. there are big women, small women, thin women, fat women, there are women boast large and small, there are children there are elderly!
it comes that they should not be misused, violence on children and women should be a matrimonial taboo. many claim violent games have no influence, then I never want these people to come into the enjoyment of being on a rampage there!

Deutsch !

hallo leute !

es geht nicht um einen körper - mod , die menschlich rasse ist ja auch vielfältig . es giebt große frauen , kleine frauen , dünne frauen , dicke frauen ,es giebt frauen mit großen brüsten und mit kleinen , es giebt kinder es giebt greise !
es geht darum das man sie nicht misbrauchen sollte , gewalt an kindern und frauen sollte eigendlich ein tabu sein . viele behaupten gewaltverherrlichende spiele hätten keinen einfluß , dann wünsche ich diese leuten niemals in den genuß zu kommen ,bei einem amoklauf dabei zu sein !