The End for UNP blessed body UNPB

[lordofthedread]

Lets face it Morrowind and Oblivion have very dated gameplay in front of Skyrim, all Beth games are known to be finished by the modding community.

 

I personally found the story of Skyrim very entertaining on my first playthrough.

 

@ElectricSheep I agree that models in The Witcher 2 and Far Cry 3 are beautiful but there is a big difference between making a cutscene (even using the game engine) and making a body mod, you dont have the same constraints when you have to animate boobs on a very specific (short) scene and on every different situation and angle.

[Rayblue]

 

Oh, shit, yet another fight over body mods. 

you obviously didn't read anything in this thread.

 

 

It turned into one. I've read enough.

[Phygnos]

What an odd thread this became.

 

People shouldn't be attacked for being pedophiles. It's just an attraction.  If they act upon it, it's known as rape or molestation.

Imagine the struggle they must have inside themselves and offer them compassion, not blind hatred.

 

Ideally, they can satisfy their urges with polygons. It's certainly better than any other alternative.

 

 

[ElectricSheep]

@ElectricSheep I agree that models in The Witcher 2 and Far Cry 3 are beautiful but there is a big difference between making a cutscene (even using the game engine) and making a body mod, you dont have the same constraints when you have to animate boobs on a very specific (short) scene and on every different situation and angle.

You just keep coming with those weird excuses... Both Citra and Triss use normal in-game meshes, in TW2 there are even other nude chicks. And boobs shape is one thing, animation is animation. It is possible to make bodies in Skyrim look equally good, or even better.

[calyps]

Jesus christ...can you guys stop defending pedophilia in my hate thread? This is worse than being called a brainwashed feminazi. Kthnx, bye.

[ElectricSheep]

That soft spot for pedophiles a few users seems to have is probably due to some popularity of loli mods and underaged looking animeish characters. But having fetish for cartoony jailbait alone is not synonymous with being a pedophile.

 

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and pathological sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object. I believe you guys seriously don't want to support that. If you're a pedophile you should fuckin' seek therapy, NOT porn materials.

[winny257]

Electric Sheep!

You've hit the nail on the head!
pervese and pedophile should be locked away forever and not material in games (mods) to find their searches.

[ElectricSheep]

And what's wrong with discussing different opinions? I even tend to change mine in behalf of rational arguments. The conversation so far is fairly civil.

 

Such attitude reminds me of "see no evil, hear no evil" - because omg someone may prove my opinion wrong. My Opinion! OPINION! An opinion is not a sacred cow and it's not a sign of maturity not to discuss it. More like ignorance.

[lordofthedread]

 

@ElectricSheep I agree that models in The Witcher 2 and Far Cry 3 are beautiful but there is a big difference between making a cutscene (even using the game engine) and making a body mod, you dont have the same constraints when you have to animate boobs on a very specific (short) scene and on every different situation and angle.

You just keep coming with those weird excuses... Both Citra and Triss use normal in-game meshes, in TW2 there are even other nude chicks. And boobs shape is one thing, animation is animation. It is possible to make bodies in Skyrim look equally good, or even better.

 

 

Both games are AAA games made by huge studios with true artists and not one guy making his own mod when he has the time with free tools like Nifskope.

 

It is again Beths fault who made crappy bodies to begin with, you can try to put the most detailled texture on the vanilla body it still looks damn dull like many other things in Skyrim (potato kids, unmodifiable beasts race faces etc...).

[Shizune]

 

 

 

How this bitch annoys, me, God. She's a real video game characters saviour. I laughed at tags.

#shitty shitty mods, oh how adorable

 

[winny257]

hi lordofthedread!
it's not that, nobody has anything against a nice body mod, it's about to do something different modder out of it!
it may not be the be tortured and raped women in the game. children are used as sex objects and it creates child porn.
for me this is even a case for the prosecutor, maybe should send a tip to a court someone. develop what some modder is disgusting and simply perverse.

[ElectricSheep]

Both games are AAA games made by huge studios with true artists and not one guy making his own mod when he has the time with free tools like Nifskope.

 

It is again Beths fault who made crappy bodies to begin with, you can try to put the most detailled texture on the vanilla body it still looks damn dull like many other things in Skyrim (potato kids, unmodifiable beasts race faces etc...).

 

Beth is also AAA studio so you contradicted your own statement.

 

It doesn't really matter that much if it's professional or amateur. In fact, amateurs put much more details in their work than game designers as they're interested in maiking something eye-candy rather than shipping an optimal mesh for gaming purposes only (plus they concentrate only on those few meshes, not meshes for the whole game). And there are no special modelling tools for game designers.

 

That being said, many modellers making game mods are professionals (burpo, Alex Scorpions, Exnem, etc.).

[Absurdity]

 

Both games are AAA games made by huge studios with true artists and not one guy making his own mod when he has the time with free tools like Nifskope.

 

It is again Beths fault who made crappy bodies to begin with, you can try to put the most detailled texture on the vanilla body it still looks damn dull like many other things in Skyrim (potato kids, unmodifiable beasts race faces etc...).

 

 

Regarding the potato kids http://dragonporn.ldblog.jp/archives/6779730.html makes them a lot easier on the eyes, though kinda more animeish too.

 

[lordofthedread]

 

 

Both games are AAA games made by huge studios with true artists and not one guy making his own mod when he has the time with free tools like Nifskope.

 

It is again Beths fault who made crappy bodies to begin with, you can try to put the most detailled texture on the vanilla body it still looks damn dull like many other things in Skyrim (potato kids, unmodifiable beasts race faces etc...).

 

 

Regarding the potato kids http://dragonporn.ldblog.jp/archives/6779730.html makes them a lot easier on the eyes, though kinda more animeish too.

 

 

 

I use xvision children but the point is there should have been designed better to begin with, not counting that they are quite useless in terms of gameplay, even in the Heartfire DLC (yay I can adopt childs and offer them a doll a wooden sword or 2 different color dresses? How lame is that seriously).

 

@Electricsheep my statement is correct unless you prove me wrong by saying Beth bodies were anywhere better than what the modders did, I doubt that anyone is even trying to make new body mods for TW2 because they were well designed to begin with, at best modders will and are modifying textures.

 

If there are so many professionals (or skilled people) modding for Skyrim how comes none of them are :

 

- Making a better body mod

- Saying that the available ones are unrealistic / porn star looking / alien looking.

 

Complaining how they look wont render them better overnight, if I had any skill in modeling I would probably try so it totally escapes me why nobody did. 

 

@winny257 I am sorry I didnt quite understood what you wanted to say.

[ElectricSheep]

@Electricsheep my statement is correct unless you prove me wrong by saying Beth bodies were anywhere better than what the modders did, I doubt that anyone is even trying to make new body mods for TW2 because they were well designed to begin with, at best modders will and are modifying textures.

 

If there are so many professionals (or skilled people) modding for Skyrim how comes none of them are :

 

- Making a better body mod

- Saying that the available ones are unrealistic / porn star looking / alien looking.

 

Complaining how they look wont render them better overnight, if I had any skill in modeling I would probably try so it totally escapes me why nobody did. 

 

You prove your statements false by yourself - first by stating that AAA studios have some high ground when it comes to making body meshes, and then by saying that Beth (also AAA studio) made shittier job than the modders (1 - 1 = 0, false).

 

Why there are no good body mods? Looks like no competent modeler gives a shit, especially that ppl are happy enough with shit mods like UNP or CBBE.

[leddis3]

I think the biggest problem here is not what others have done with Skyrim (and it's predecessors), but more or less the severe disconnect from what Bethesda DIDN'T do.

 

The Elder Scrolls setting is depicted as this rugged and harsh fantasy world, yet Bethesda took no liberties with making the world itself (and any number of opportunistic situations) more *immersive*. Surely they wanted to appeal to the widest audience possible. Hence, they opted for an "M" rating, as opposed to adult. They could have easily achieved tons more immersion with simple cut-scenes.

 

Any gamer...... ANY GAMER..... regardless of whether they play an RPG, MMO, SIM, or whatever, who claims they don't want to experience the highest possible levels of immersion in their games is, simply put, a bald face liar. Now I'm not talking about the die-hard canonites. They're just hard-code, brainwashed morons who think no game should ever be altered away from the original Gold release version under any circumstances, who I simply ignore.

 

The ES games, Skyrim especially, are depicted as this horrifying world inhabited by dragons, demons, trolls, and a whole plethora of shit looking to kill you. So you can bet your sweet, candy ass that even the simplest of bandits would seek to have their way with a woman in such a world, whether she welcomes it or not. And you can also bet all the women in such a horrific and sadistic world would NOT all look like humpty-dumpty's sister. Nor would they all be of consenting age (but there ARE lines you don't cross in a game under any circumstances just the same). And they certainly wouldn't all look the same, possessing the EXACT SAME body.

 

But hey, I don't begrudge anyone their right to change their views. But I get pretty pissed off when their new views are thrown at me based on some new-found disillusioned vision of "right and wrong". Nexus is a cesspool of such clientele. And why I stay away from there. If these CNHF jackasses are such as described above and chasing off those who prefer something "different" from their views, they can piss off.

 

I liked a lot of the body mods found on Nexus and elsewhere. And I use what I like. And I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. I won't stop using what I like.

 

Trykz

 

I'm sorry you can extend this logic to any piece of fiction you want and loudly declare "Y U NO RAEP TEH WOMENZ."

No I never wonder why bandits or Caesar's Legion don't try to rape me seeing as I have weapons and it would be somewhat dangerous and stupid to try and take me alive.

Does that mean I begrudge rape mods and the like? Of course not, I use some myself. However I'm not going to criticise Bethesda for not putting it in for the sake of being "dark". There are references to such things in the background, especially in Fallout and that works fine enough.

 

I'll take this over, say, The Witcher series which is utterly juvenile about sexuality and thinks maturity means dropping F-bombs in every other sentence. There is no point in such things unless they enhance the plot; Skyrim's plot is about dragons coming to wreck things.

That may be simplistic, but it is what it is. Why add a subplot with rape unless you can actually do something with it? Do you REALLY trust Bethesda to actually handle the subject in a mature and well-written manner? Really?

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

If they can't even keep their own in game attitudes consistent, being that Khajiit are distrusted by the majority of the local population and not allowed even past the outer gates of a city, much less its walls, yet you, playing as one can just waltz right into any town on a whim, then I wouldn't trust them to handle anything more serious than RAWR RAWR SCARY DRAGON IMMA EAT YOUR SOUL.

[Demonhunter]

Just for this part lol 

 

 

then I wouldn't trust them to handle anything more serious than RAWR RAWR SCARY DRAGON IMMA EAT YOUR SOUL.

 

LOL

[lordofthedread]

 

@Electricsheep my statement is correct unless you prove me wrong by saying Beth bodies were anywhere better than what the modders did, I doubt that anyone is even trying to make new body mods for TW2 because they were well designed to begin with, at best modders will and are modifying textures.

 

If there are so many professionals (or skilled people) modding for Skyrim how comes none of them are :

 

- Making a better body mod

- Saying that the available ones are unrealistic / porn star looking / alien looking.

 

Complaining how they look wont render them better overnight, if I had any skill in modeling I would probably try so it totally escapes me why nobody did. 

 

You prove your statements false by yourself - first by stating that AAA studios have some high ground when it comes to making body meshes, and then by saying that Beth (also AAA studio) made shittier job than the modders (1 - 1 = 0, false).

 

Why there are no good body mods? Looks like no competent modeler gives a shit, especially that ppl are happy enough with shit mods like UNP or CBBE.

 

 

Are you arguing to make a point or just for the love of arguing?  Bethesda could have done a proper body modeling to start with because they do have the ressources to do so but they didnt gave a shit because they knew modders will do it for them for free, I personally love the idea of letting people mod your game, I find it pretty dirty when you deliver an unfinished product and expect the modding community to fix things for you (again for free), TW2 and Far Cry 3 are finished products, not meaning that there have no bugs but that you can play them without needing any unofficial patch. Just try both Skyrim DLC without unofficial patches, hell you cant even finish the Dragonborn quest line because Miraak is bugged like shit, not counting the numerous bugs that came with their own patches and they didnt fixed like the face expression or MFG bug from latest patch.

 

Here some pictures to illustrate what I am saying :

 

Before : 

 

After : 

[ElectricSheep]

Are you arguing to make a point or just for the love of arguing?

 

You've got a nerve asking such questions given your blatant attempt to evade the point.

 

 

You said:

Both games are AAA games made by huge studios with true artists and not one guy making his own mod when he has the time with free tools like Nifskope.

 

It is again Beths fault who made crappy bodies to begin with

 

I said:

Beth is also AAA studio so you contradicted your own statement.

 

It doesn't really matter that much if it's professional or amateur. (...)

 

Your response:

my statement is correct unless you prove me wrong by saying Beth bodies were anywhere better than what the modders did

 

 

O_o...

O_o....

O_o.....

 

 

Now you're saying something about what Bethesda COULD have done but didn't - it's unverifiable and can't be used as a valid argument.

 

Seriously man, stop trying to confuse the discussion.

[leddis3]

I'd point out that Skyrim has a far bigger scope than TW2 or FarCry 3.

TW2 is more comparable to Dragon Age 2, which it does beat on a technical level, but then Bioware aren't really trying anymore.

 

CD-Projekt are trash talking Skyrim a lot at the moment, but it remains to be seen whether their attempt at an open world "RPG" will be any less bug ridden or generic than Skyrim or whether the supposed bastions of hardcore RPGdom are just looking to ride the Skyrim train next to Bioware.

Usually one picks vast open world *or* characterisation for a reason. Well unless they're planning for development to take 10 years, that I could understand.

[Absurdity]

Usually one picks vast open world *or* characterisation for a reason. Well unless they're planning for development to take 10 years, that I could understand.

 

Unfortunately a developement time that long ends in something like Duke Nukem Forever or Diablo 3...

 

[Monsto Brukes]

 

Why there are no good body mods? Looks like no competent modeler gives a shit, especially that ppl are happy enough with shit mods like UNP or CBBE.

 

 

This isn't entirely true.

 

I've got a fair amount of experience with modelling including a couple no-name game titles back in the early 2000s.

 

And for the life of me I couldn't get this shit figured out. Building a mesh is the easy part... but the rigamarole you have to go thru to get it in game is ridiculous. And I'm not even going to get started on animations.

 

The point is that the "barrier to entry" is pretty high. I'm sure that it weeds out a lot of would-be modellers.

[ElectricSheep]

TW2 is more comparable to Dragon Age 2, which it does beat on a technical level, but then Bioware aren't really trying anymore.

TW2 is more comparable to DA:O, DA2 is just utter shite.

 

 

(...) Building a mesh is the easy part... but the rigamarole you have to go thru to get it in game is ridiculous. And I'm not even going to get started on animations.

 

The point is that the "barrier to entry" is pretty high. I'm sure that it weeds out a lot of would-be modellers.

 

Of course you're right, to make a body mod all by yourself takes a bit of one-man-army skills (modelling, rigging, texturing). But given how many ppl are post-processing these bodies thereafter - making new phenotypes, entirely new textures, new armors - I'm surprised that modders cannot team up and do something of really good quality. Isn't that what the modding community is for?

 

For instance, a modder like Kris†a wastes his fucking time making Vicotria and poser/daz rips when he could help putting entirely new mesh in game. Photoshoppers waste their fucking time trying to make their hi-rez textures look good on a shit body like CBBE. I waste my fucking time complaining when I could be converting armor and clothing right now.

 

Why not doing something like this?

[Seren]

I'm not gonna get caught up in this, as I feel this thread has derailed quite a bit. You feel like Calyps has gone too far with his opinion, well this thread is a fine example of blowing things up too.

 

 

(...) Building a mesh is the easy part... but the rigamarole you have to go thru to get it in game is ridiculous. And I'm not even going to get started on animations.

 

The point is that the "barrier to entry" is pretty high. I'm sure that it weeds out a lot of would-be modellers.

Of course you're right, to make a body mod all by yourself takes a bit of one-man-army skills (modelling, rigging, texturing). But given how many ppl are post-processing these bodies thereafter - making new phenotypes, entirely new textures, new armors - I'm surprised that modders cannot team up and do something of really good quality. Isn't that what the modding community is for?

 

For instance, a modder like Kris†a wastes his fucking time making Vicotria and poser/daz rips when he could help putting entirely new mesh in game. Photoshoppers waste their fucking time trying to make their hi-rez textures look good on a shit body like CBBE. I waste my fucking time complaining when I could be converting armor and clothing right now.

 

Why not doing something like this?

 

I'm just reading this last piece of quote, so I haven't followed the entire conversation, but who are you to decide when a modder is wasting their time on something? Do you believe modders exist to please the community? You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time. If Krista likes her rips, and takes pleasure in doing it then why would it be a waste of time? Just because people don't get their 100% perfect replica of a female body instead? Besides, there is no 100% true to real body. Your example looks a lot like UNP to me. And that's exactly what it is with bodies: everybody has a different view on what they'd like to see in their game and what they find to be ideal. To me UNP is fine. You may use arguments against me that the thighs are weird or the belly button is up too high, but I don't care and I don't find UNP to look strange. I do agree that CBBE is pretty messy/low-quality, but if people take pleasure in using it and modding for it then so be it. They don't feel like they're wasting their time.

 

Also, if it bothers you so damn much that your ideal body isn't being made then please do start learning how to make meshes. At least learn how to edit them. It looks like UNP can be remodeled to your ideal.