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Monsto Brukes

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TW2 is more comparable to Dragon Age 2, which it does beat on a technical level, but then Bioware aren't really trying anymore.

TW2 is more comparable to DA:O, DA2 is just utter shite.

 

 

(...) Building a mesh is the easy part... but the rigamarole you have to go thru to get it in game is ridiculous. And I'm not even going to get started on animations.

 

The point is that the "barrier to entry" is pretty high. I'm sure that it weeds out a lot of would-be modellers.

Of course you're right, to make a body mod all by yourself takes a bit of one-man-army skills (modelling, rigging, texturing). But given how many ppl are post-processing these bodies thereafter - making new phenotypes, entirely new textures, new armors - I'm surprised that modders cannot team up and do something of really good quality. Isn't that what the modding community is for?

 

For instance, a modder like Kris†a wastes his fucking time making Vicotria and poser/daz rips when he could help putting entirely new mesh in game. Photoshoppers waste their fucking time trying to make their hi-rez textures look good on a shit body like CBBE. I waste my fucking time complaining when I could be converting armor and clothing right now.

 

Why not doing something like this?

 

because making armors is relatively easy. you build the mesh then weight paint it. afterwards, you have a pretty good series of steps you must follow exactly to get the thing in game. It's not horrible, but it is time consuming and you have to kinda understand the steps. It's not like dropping fries in oil at the Burger Dump where you don't have to know how it cooks. In this situation you should know why you're copying shit in nifskope and what will happen if you don't do it right.

 

with a body mesh, like you said, it's the rigging. the modelling and texturing is pretty simple if you know the software. but rigging exactly the way that skyrim wants with only community supplied documentation based on one geniuses trial and error is Beth's fault. the "oh the community will make it better" argument is easy to say, but it's another thing to actually try to do it and come across one show-stopper after another. It's insane.

 

And for the record, Beth didn't make it shitty for the modders to fix. They absolutely did it on purpose, tho because it had to work decently on the 7 yr old 360. Thanks to MS throwing and giant check at them, the 360 was always the primary target.

 

So blame MS, not Beth... not completely anyway.

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Monsto Brukes

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I'm not gonna get caught up in this, as I feel this thread has derailed quite a bit. You feel like Calyps has gone too far with his opinion, well this thread is a fine example of blowing things up too.

 

 

(...) Building a mesh is the easy part... but the rigamarole you have to go thru to get it in game is ridiculous. And I'm not even going to get started on animations.

 

The point is that the "barrier to entry" is pretty high. I'm sure that it weeds out a lot of would-be modellers.

Of course you're right, to make a body mod all by yourself takes a bit of one-man-army skills (modelling, rigging, texturing). But given how many ppl are post-processing these bodies thereafter - making new phenotypes, entirely new textures, new armors - I'm surprised that modders cannot team up and do something of really good quality. Isn't that what the modding community is for?

 

For instance, a modder like Kris†a wastes his fucking time making Vicotria and poser/daz rips when he could help putting entirely new mesh in game. Photoshoppers waste their fucking time trying to make their hi-rez textures look good on a shit body like CBBE. I waste my fucking time complaining when I could be converting armor and clothing right now.

 

Why not doing something like this?

 

I'm just reading this last piece of quote, so I haven't followed the entire conversation, but who are you to decide when a modder is wasting their time on something? Do you believe modders exist to please the community? You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time. If Krista likes her rips, and takes pleasure in doing it then why would it be a waste of time? Just because people don't get their 100% perfect replica of a female body instead? Besides, there is no 100% true to real body. Your example looks a lot like UNP to me. And that's exactly what it is with bodies: everybody has a different view on what they'd like to see in their game and what they find to be ideal. To me UNP is fine. You may use arguments against me that the thighs are weird or the belly button is up too high, but I don't care and I don't find UNP to look strange. I do agree that CBBE is pretty messy/low-quality, but if people take pleasure in using it and modding for it then so be it. They don't feel like they're wasting their time.

 

Also, if it bothers you so damn much that your ideal body isn't being made then please do start learning how to make meshes. At least learn how to edit them. It looks like UNP can be remodeled to your ideal.

 

 

He's coming from a POV of frustration as opposed to being a demanding piece of shit.

 

It's frustrating because the selection is so thin. Selection is thin because Beth hasn't been forthcoming with either information or advance tools that clearly seem to be required.

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Seren

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I wasn't really aiming at the attitude. It's about the ungratefulness, and that modders only want and can do so much in their free time.

 

The selection isn't necessarily thin because of Beth. You have UNP/CBBE/CNHF/ADEC to look at. Don't tell me just because you don't have the source it's incomprehensible to someone who can make GOOD body meshes from scratch to find out how the rigging works. In the case that a person couldn't find it out it's most likely that person wouldn't be able to provide anything better than the current selection anyway. I'm talking from experience here, and I know quite a lot about making meshes myself.

I rather like to think it's possible there currently simply isn't someone interested in making another body, and/or the people are satisfied with what they have. The latter may be because part of that group may simply not need extreme precise detail or haven't yet seen a better example to actually want a replacement for their current body.

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ElectricSheep

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I'm just reading this last piece of quote, so I haven't followed the entire conversation, but who are you to decide when a modder is wasting their time on something? Do you believe modders exist to please the community? You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time. If Krista likes her rips, and takes pleasure in doing it then why would it be a waste of time?

"Who I am to decide" is a good question, since I'm in no position to dictate anyone anything unless I learn telepathy. What I say is just my point of view and nothing else. I never made an attempt to impose what I want on a modder (like by going directly to him/her with my bitching). To me putting good skills into converting pirated daz/poser high poly stuff meant for rendering purposes is a waste - if you find my opinion so outrageous feel free to call me on my shit, I don't mind.

 

You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time.

This is pure populism and like whoring.

 

Your example looks a lot like UNP to me. And that's exactly what it is with bodies: everybody has a different view on what they'd like to see in their game and what they find to be ideal. To me UNP is fine. You may use arguments against me that the thighs are weird or the belly button is up too high, but I don't care and I don't find UNP to look strange. I do agree that CBBE is pretty messy/low-quality, but if people take pleasure in using it and modding for it then so be it. They don't feel like they're wasting their time.

If my example looks like UNP to you then I believe you may want a pair of good glasses.

 

Anyway. You like UNP? That's fine with me, you don't need to shout and make a big scene. Funny that being the boogeyman of this topic I'm the calmest person.

 

Also, if it bothers you so damn much that your ideal body isn't being made then please do start learning how to make meshes. At least learn how to edit them. It looks like UNP can be remodeled to your ideal.

 

I doesn't really bother me that much TBH. I know how to make meshes and I even released my own stuff. Right now I learn 3ds max (leaving Blender behind).

 

UNP cannot be remodeled into something else as the mesh is way too messy for that (and you'll never be truly able to get rid of the default feel).

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LithiumFlower

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However in hindsight, now that UNPB is cancelled, which will probably spread out to any future mods regarding that body...what is another good alternative now?

It's still available, mr.troublemaker is hosting the files on one of his mod pages now. SevenBase is good though, I happened across it here a couple of days prior to release on nexus

 

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20227/?

 

Ah, that's a sigh of relief then.

 

Many thanks,friend.

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Dee383

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This Thread Started About The End Of The Blessed UNP Body , But Now Its Gone Into A Thread

About How Bad All The Body Mods Are And In Between That Arguements About Sex Objects , Child Porn And Pedophiles ....

As For The Perfect Body Mesh That Will Never Happen Because Everyone Has There Own Opinion Of A Perfect Body .

>YOU DONT LIKE A CERTAIN BODY MAKE YOUR OWN<

 

Just Keep In Mind The Perfect Body Doesnt Excist Even In The Real World  ..........

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ElectricSheep

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because making armors is relatively easy. you build the mesh then weight paint it. afterwards, you have a pretty good series of steps you must follow exactly to get the thing in game. It's not horrible, but it is time consuming and you have to kinda understand the steps. (...)

http://i.imgur.com/Gq1Rn8p.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Zq7EYXn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TBWlcwI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7tSuHRL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5N42U7q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mhP8om9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PWX1EbF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6yr7HpF.jpg

 

Don't even remind me...

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Seren

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I'm just reading this last piece of quote, so I haven't followed the entire conversation, but who are you to decide when a modder is wasting their time on something? Do you believe modders exist to please the community? You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time. If Krista likes her rips, and takes pleasure in doing it then why would it be a waste of time?

"Who I am to decide" is a good question, since I'm in no position to dictate anyone anything unless I learn telepathy. What I say is just my point of view and nothing else. I never made an attempt to impose what I want on a modder (like by going directly to him/her with my bitching). To me putting good skills into converting pirated daz/poser high poly stuff meant for rendering purposes is a waste - if you find my opinion so outrageous feel free to call me on my shit, I don't mind.

 

You like being a smartass, don't you? "Who are you to decide..." in the context of expressing views implies something else than you dictating the actions of other individuals, but I'm sure you can understand that with your intellect. I never said I find your opinion outrageous. I simply didn't agree with the above. Please, read my comment again and try to see the message. My above piece of comment simply is about that modding is a hobby which is fun to some, and each has their own idea of what is fun to them.

 

 

You're lucky to get free stuff people make in their hard-earned free time.

This is pure populism and like whoring.

 

No, it's the truth. :P Who said anything about populism and likes? I simply said we're lucky to have people who like to share quality stuff with us. Skyrim would be a lot more boring without it, wouldn't it? Again, you're missing the point.

 

 

Your example looks a lot like UNP to me. And that's exactly what it is with bodies: everybody has a different view on what they'd like to see in their game and what they find to be ideal. To me UNP is fine. You may use arguments against me that the thighs are weird or the belly button is up too high, but I don't care and I don't find UNP to look strange. I do agree that CBBE is pretty messy/low-quality, but if people take pleasure in using it and modding for it then so be it. They don't feel like they're wasting their time.

If my example looks like UNP to you then I believe you may want a pair of good glasses.

 

Anyway. You like UNP? That's fine with me, you don't need to shout and make a big scene. Funny that being the boogeyman of this topic I'm the calmest person.

 

Hoho, I said that to prove to you that everybody has their own view. If I find it to have similarities with UNP, it is that way for me. Not everybody is like you. Pretending I'm a moron who can't see the differences is a nice trick to evade the core of my message and insulting. As you may suspect I can see the differences.

 

And, seriously? Self-pity? I don't see you as boogeyman. I just hopped into a weird discussion without any knowledge of what has passed here before to express my thoughts on your opinions.

 

 

Also, if it bothers you so damn much that your ideal body isn't being made then please do start learning how to make meshes. At least learn how to edit them. It looks like UNP can be remodeled to your ideal.

I doesn't really bother me that much TBH. I know how to make meshes and I even released my own stuff. Right now I learn 3ds max (leaving Blender behind).

 

UNP cannot be remodeled into something else as the mesh is way too messy for that (and you'll never be truly able to get rid of the default feel).

 

Well, apparently it does bother you to some degree and I can't say I blame you. I understand where you're coming from, as I see room for improvement too. For instance, I can't say I'm very positive about CBBE and all the support it has, but I won't spend too much time defending my opinion about it in general. People will stick to their opinions and what they like, even though it seems so odd to the other party.

 

Alright, I have the urge to add "bla bla bla" to finish my arguments now (+being tired) so I better quit. Had this kind of conversation too many times already, and it always comes down to opinions and about how much other people care to make a change (not a lot).

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Seren

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Just Keep In Mind The Perfect Body Doesnt Excist Even In The Real World  ..........

Speak for yourself. My body is awesome, I can watch myself jiggle like homer when he gets poked. WINNING WITH SELF ENTERTAINMENT

 

lol, "jiggle like homer when he gets poked" xD

 

So yeah, what was this thread about again? :P *Shrugs and walks away*

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gregathit

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This thread has descended into a useless bickering match and has completely derailed.

 

 

Bottom line a mod author can walk away at any time she\he chooses and for any reason that makes sense to them.  We are lucky that the mod author agreed to allow someone else to take the project over. 

 

UNPB is available here: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/20227//?

 

 

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