Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Omnishade]

There is also an issue with enforcer guards from SLS and local slavery. When you arrive somewhere they usually run at you and try to force greet with the goal to inspect you, except that the force greet doesn't trigger, so they keep swarming around you like madmen. Maybe you don't have dialogues active in your mod?

[Nymra]

54 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

Tried the new update with time for sex set to minimum(25s) but it doesn't help. I did it for around 3 mins maybe more, but still no success. It also says 0/37 whatever that means. The messages did not show the time taken and required afterward(and I had yellow text on). Is a timescale of 7 a problem here? It shouldn't if you use real time.

 

hmm, I think I finally found the culcript. One of those things that work in one situation and not in the other and you did not account for that.

 

The Hotfix below should now fix it. 

 

Short info:

the first number 0/ is supposed to show the actual time that you had sex.

The second one /37 is the time requirement of the scene to succeed (happy guy)

the 25 base setting is just that. In the INN at night the requirement goes up a bit. And its even longer with a blacksmith for example (since they ll remove your DDs for it).

All WIP tho and I sadly have not as much time as in januray to develop this stuff. 

 

 

54 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

Whipping is still inconsistent. Most of the time they step back and draw their weapon between each hit, but I think it depends on the distance when the scene triggers. I have to

test it more.

 

can be totally random. In my game whipping looks very good now in like 75% of situations. 
I noticed that it highly depends on RNG (sometimes NPC just decide to make an extra step, sometimes not). Also they attack with different animations, which has different outcomes (a huge improvement tho that they do no longer power attack).

 

At this point I have no idea how to improve it further, but I also had not time to dig deep that much further too...

 

The behavior you described has never happend in my game.

Do you use the "Spawn Protectors"? (setting in the MCM).

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

If you add orgasm detection and SLSO support as an alternative to the timing(idk if that's too complicated), that would probably solve it and make it more immersive at the same time. If you're not up to it a simple toggle off time requirement would suffice. I try to roleplay a bit anyway, but if someone likes cheesing it with the end key that's their game.

 

I found SLSO weird in general and very odd gameplaywise. Meaning I never touched it again. So I do not plan to account for that currently.

But in the end it might be a quick thing to do, so I dont say no, I just cant say when. 

 

Currently I try to enhance the Naked Defeat internal system first, which is also planned to have roleplay and game options like SLSO, just a bit different.
The timer is just my first attempt for it.

And, in general, I want to make Sex Scenes a bit more... interactive, at least as much as possible. And I want this to have impact on the post sex circumstances (like with the Slavery Debt increase).

 

 

 

Naked Defeat 6-471 - Hotfix 1 - (AE + SE).7z

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Omnishade said:

There is also an issue with enforcer guards from SLS and local slavery. When you arrive somewhere they usually run at you and try to force greet with the goal to inspect you, except that the force greet doesn't trigger, so they keep swarming around you like madmen. Maybe you don't have dialogues active in your mod?

 

are you sure that they are force greeting you?
this could also be a weird interaction from the built into SLS  Spank that Ass Function (at least my last info is, that this existst).

 

if you can/find it, try to see if you can disable the feature just to see if its connected. I also think you can use Spank That Ass in addition to SLS but I do not know exactly how the interactions were... 

[Omnishade]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

hmm, I think I finally found the culcript. One of those things that work in one situation and not in the other and you did not account for that.

 

The Hotfix below should now fix it. 

 

Short info:

the first number 0/ is supposed to show the actual time that you had sex.

The second one /37 is the time requirement of the scene to succeed (happy guy)

the 25 base setting is just that. In the INN at night the requirement goes up a bit. And its even longer with a blacksmith for example (since they ll remove your DDs for it).

All WIP tho and I sadly have not as much time as in januray to develop this stuff. 

 

 

 

can be totally random. In my game whipping looks very good now in like 75% of situations. 
I noticed that it highly depends on RNG (sometimes NPC just decide to make an extra step, sometimes not). Also they attack with different animations, which has different outcomes (a huge improvement tho that they do no longer power attack).

 

At this point I have no idea how to improve it further, but I also had not time to dig deep that much further too...

 

The behavior you described has never happend in my game.

Do you use the "Spawn Protectors"? (setting in the MCM).

 

 

 

 

I found SLSO weird in general and very odd gameplaywise. Meaning I never touched it again. So I do not plan to account for that currently.

But in the end it might be a quick thing to do, so I dont say no, I just cant say when. 

 

Currently I try to enhance the Naked Defeat internal system first, which is also planned to have roleplay and game options like SLSO, just a bit different.
The timer is just my first attempt for it.

And, in general, I want to make Sex Scenes a bit more... interactive, at least as much as possible. And I want this to have impact on the post sex circumstances (like with the Slavery Debt increase).

 

 

 

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That was vague. What is the culprit then? And what didn't I account for? You make it sound like I could have made it work somehow.

[Omnishade]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

 

are you sure that they are force greeting you?
this could also be a weird interaction from the built into SLS  Spank that Ass Function (at least my last info is, that this existst).

 

if you can/find it, try to see if you can disable the feature just to see if its connected. I also think you can use Spank That Ass in addition to SLS but I do not know exactly how the interactions were... 

 

Yes. They keep running around until I talk to them. Then they will do the routine checkup and finally calm down. They don't behave like that if I disable the license system, so it's very obvious what it's about, but that also destroys my licenses(that I can still reclaim from some bandits). It's annyoing but manageable. The only reason I reported it is because it only happens during local slavery.

I have Spank that ass and spanking disabled in SLS and it works like it should.

[Nymra]

9 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

That was vague. What is the culprit then? And what didn't I account for? You make it sound like I could have made it work somehow.

 

typo. not enough sleep. I did not account for that. 
Nonetheless, the patch should fix it. 

[Nymra]

6 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

 

Yes. They keep running around until I talk to them. Then they will do the routine checkup and finally calm down. They don't behave like that if I disable the license system, so it's very obvious what it's about, but that also destroys my licenses(that I can still reclaim from some bandits). It's annyoing but manageable. The only reason I reported it is because it only happens during local slavery.

I have Spank that ass and spanking disabled in SLS and it works like it should.

 

no idea really. 
In general this falls under the "does the same thing" category of mod interactions. In general that is never good.  
Plus I cannot test it, which would be necessary for a complex mod like that.

 

I could add SLS licenes to the slave tho if SLS is installed. Would that help? 
Also if there is a "leave me alone facton" or sth in SLS that would also be possible to add. I ll have a look at the API later, might be there is an easy fix. 

[Omnishade]

8 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

typo. not enough sleep. I did not account for that. 
Nonetheless, the patch should fix it. 

 

It does. It finally works and I can finally make some progress. Big thanks for this!

[Omnishade]

5 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

no idea really. 
In general this falls under the "does the same thing" category of mod interactions. In general that is never good.  
Plus I cannot test it, which would be necessary for a complex mod like that.

 

I could add SLS licenes to the slave tho if SLS is installed. Would that help? 
Also if there is a "leave me alone facton" or sth in SLS that would also be possible to add. I ll have a look at the API later, might be there is an easy fix. 

 

What do you mean by adding sls licenses? I don't know exactly how that mod works in regards to enforcer interaction, but there seems to be something blocking them from forcegreeting. That's all I can say off the top of my head.

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Omnishade said:

 

What do you mean by adding sls licenses? I don't know exactly how that mod works in regards to enforcer interaction, but there seems to be something blocking them from forcegreeting. That's all I can say off the top of my head.

 

if you happend to find out what attracts them, feel free to update me. 
From memory the SLS MCM was extremely complex and deep, so maybe they just have a timed trigger to check you or they do it when you are naked or in DDs or whatever.

 

With adding licenses means, if it helps I can add SLS licences (naked license etc.) to the Slave Inventory via script for as long as you are enslaved by Naked Defeat. 

[43deadwood]

8 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

if you happend to find out what attracts them, feel free to update me. 
From memory the SLS MCM was extremely complex and deep, so maybe they just have a timed trigger to check you or they do it when you are naked or in DDs or whatever.

 

With adding licenses means, if it helps I can add SLS licences (naked license etc.) to the Slave Inventory via script for as long as you are enslaved by Naked Defeat. 

Dunno if this helps - SLS has a debug menu that allows the user to add all licences (short term, long term or perpetual)

[Omnishade]

20 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

if you happend to find out what attracts them, feel free to update me. 
From memory the SLS MCM was extremely complex and deep, so maybe they just have a timed trigger to check you or they do it when you are naked or in DDs or whatever.

 

With adding licenses means, if it helps I can add SLS licences (naked license etc.) to the Slave Inventory via script for as long as you are enslaved by Naked Defeat. 

 

I just realized you can turn off most licences in the MCM, without destroying existing copies(I think), except weapon license which can't be toggled. If you can add a temporary weapon license(I think you can have many of the same) that would help. Otherwise it's still manageble since you can get back your weapons if you retrieve your license or buy a new one. Nudity license isn't a thing in SLS and enforcers seem fine with the pc walking around naked. You can also decrease the number of enforcers to 0 while in the auction house, as a workaround, if you want to make sure they don't bother you(it probably decreases papyrus load a bit).

If I notice something that needs to be added temporarily I'd be happy to tell you.

There is an issue with the sleep/wait toggle that makes it not stick. Everytime I open the MCM it's disabled again, so it has no effect. Please fix that.

The message about how long you've had sex would be better as debug or info messages, since it's very "behind the scenes". I know I asked for it but now that it's working it's actually too much info.  It's nothing urgent though.

 

I can only get tasks after 8 am. Intended?

 

A setting for whiptime during local slavery would also be nice to have, in case you have problem with npcs not "comitting to the cause", and it's very short as it is now. You have one for defeat. Then the scenario would have all the relevant options I can think of. 

Edited February 27 by Omnishade

[sSs1897]

Any plan to make strip make more sense with spells that do continuous damage? Right now I cannot really enable strip when a beam triggers a lot more times (I did not actually count but it most certainly feels like a lot higher strip chance than what is in my setting)

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, sSs1897 said:

Any plan to make strip make more sense with spells that do continuous damage? Right now I cannot really enable strip when a beam triggers a lot more times (I did not actually count but it most certainly feels like a lot higher strip chance than what is in my setting)

 

it is on my to do list. 
I already accounted for stream damage, but its still very good against the player currently, so further changes are planned, yes. 

Edited February 27 by Nymra

[Nymra]

22 hours ago, Omnishade said:

 

I just realized you can turn off most licences in the MCM, without destroying existing copies(I think), except weapon license which can't be toggled. If you can add a temporary weapon license(I think you can have many of the same) that would help. Otherwise it's still manageble since you can get back your weapons if you retrieve your license or buy a new one. Nudity license isn't a thing in SLS and enforcers seem fine with the pc walking around naked. You can also decrease the number of enforcers to 0 while in the auction house, as a workaround, if you want to make sure they don't bother you(it probably decreases papyrus load a bit).

If I notice something that needs to be added temporarily I'd be happy to tell you.

There is an issue with the sleep/wait toggle that makes it not stick. Everytime I open the MCM it's disabled again, so it has no effect. Please fix that.

The message about how long you've had sex would be better as debug or info messages, since it's very "behind the scenes". I know I asked for it but now that it's working it's actually too much info.  It's nothing urgent though.

 

I can only get tasks after 8 am. Intended?

 

A setting for whiptime during local slavery would also be nice to have, in case you have problem with npcs not "comitting to the cause", and it's very short as it is now. You have one for defeat. Then the scenario would have all the relevant options I can think of. 

 

 

first things first:

 

the MCM thing was the weirdest bug I ever had (the Allow Sleep Wait Toggle) since basically only changing the order of where it sits seems to cause this...

So... just Skyrim and for me it works now. (Also fixed a display bug with the sliders below). 

 

Try this.

 

Rest will follow later.

 

 

Naked Defeat 6-472 - Hotfix 2 - (AE + SE).7z

[jrhambl]

I have been trying to install Naked Defeat on the NYA modpack and the game seems to run fine but when a defeat happens it will say something about wiping and then furniture never spawns at the player character just kind of freezes in a T-pose, I think I have the dependencies installed but have been having no luck getting furniture to actual spawn, if anyone has any idea what is going wrong like if i have some incompatibilities or am missing a dependency any help would be appreciated

 

modlist.txt

[Nymra]

42 minutes ago, jrhambl said:

I have been trying to install Naked Defeat on the NYA modpack and the game seems to run fine but when a defeat happens it will say something about wiping and then furniture never spawns at the player character just kind of freezes in a T-pose, I think I have the dependencies installed but have been having no luck getting furniture to actual spawn, if anyone has any idea what is going wrong like if i have some incompatibilities or am missing a dependency any help would be appreciated

 

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I wont check your dependencies for you. 
a simple read and trial and error is work you have to do.

 

I only look at papyrus logs. 

From what I read it sounds like you might be missing ZAZ Framework (or the correct version) or forgot to run Pandora/FNIS?
 

[jrhambl]

18 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

I wont check your dependencies for you. 
a simple read and trial and error is work you have to do.

 

I only look at papyrus logs. 

From what I read it sounds like you might be missing ZAZ Framework (or the correct version) or forgot to run Pandora/FNIS?
 

Papyrus.0.log by Zaz Framework are you talking about this 

[don-rumata334]

Hello! Why am I only getting one NPC to participate, or is that how it's supposed to be? Is there a way to force other aggressors to participate in turn order? I only have the NPC who deals the finishing blow involved. The rest just leave. 

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, don-rumata334 said:

Hello! Why am I only getting one NPC to participate, or is that how it's supposed to be? Is there a way to force other aggressors to participate in turn order? I only have the NPC who deals the finishing blow involved. The rest just leave. 

 

did you change the group chance settings in the MCM Defeat & Sex Page? 

[don-rumata334]

5 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

did you change the group chance settings in the MCM Defeat & Sex Page? 

Thanks you, I've already figured out what the problem was. Not all my animations were registered.

[Talesien]

8 hours ago, jrhambl said:

Papyrus.0.log by Zaz Framework are you talking about this 

Go here https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5957-zaz-animation-packs-for-se/ do NOT use the Download button. Instead scroll down till you get to 

"The packs of ZAP 8+ can be found here:"

ZAZ 8.0+ CBBE HDT 2023
ZAZ 8.0+ UUNP HDT 2023
... chose the one corresponding to the body you are using (if you are using 3BA you will need to grab the bodyslides links are on the NakedDefeat Download page, if using UBE ... no idea.)
If you don't know what bodytype you are using or how to build bodyslides, well you will have to reference some guides, sorry. NakedDefeat, like many mods isn't plug and play, it requires you to put in the time to learn at least the basics about modding Skyrim. There should be plenty of guides out there to help, one particularly good one would be: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/200681-skyrim-ae-for-beginners-v-310/ probably overkill as you would need to start over, but it teaches everything you might need to know and then some.
Most other guides I know of have the tendency to skip steps, leaving starters stranded or are not kept current. Of course I'm not really actively following modding guides for beginners, so pretty sure there are good ones out there. Perhaps ask in the general section of the forum, someone might be more knowledgeable than me in that regard.

 

[Salem2277]

Silly and probably niche, but is there a way to stop my male followers from being stripped naked every time I trigger a defeat scene? I want them there, just not naked, ya know? 

[Nymra]

33 minutes ago, Salem2277 said:

Silly and probably niche, but is there a way to stop my male followers from being stripped naked every time I trigger a defeat scene? I want them there, just not naked, ya know? 

 

I plan some more elaborate Follower Options, but I m not sure what you want there?

What should happen with them?

 

What I had in mind is an option to allow followers to join in when a Defeat happens (with options for male/female/both joining).

You just want them bound but not stripped? 

 

[Salem2277]

6 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I plan some more elaborate Follower Options, but I m not sure what you want there?

What should happen with them?

 

What I had in mind is an option to allow followers to join in when a Defeat happens (with options for male/female/both joining).

You just want them bound but not stripped? 

 

I mean, basically, yeah. Just sorta cuck chaired I guess? Or just as a toggle option.

I use other mods like Cloaks of Skyrim and Immersive Jewelry, so I have a full toggle on what gets stripped from my character, but not what gets stripped from my follower specifically in Naked Defeat, so my follower will just be chillin naked with a backpack and a cloak and at that point he might as well be clothed, ya know? (My reasoning at the time haha)

I cant seem to get Naked Defeat to use the SL Aroused full strip on my follower like it does on my character. (Messed around with all the settings of my follower after selecting them in SL aroused and toggled all clothing and pieces as always strip, but the cloak and backpack stubbornly remain for context.)

I could just not include those items on his person I suppose, but I like functionality of having the extra carry cap on my follower, and the cloak provides extra cover in the frostfall mod.

So I guess I'm asking either about more strip options or a "cuck that follower." Whichever would be simpler.

(Also sorry for the novel haha)