AAF Family Planning Enhanced Redux

[deathmorph]

As i can see here something has really changed since the last time i played FPR. Since I'm considering a new game anyway, just one question first:
Some time ago I had the problem with the FPR that the bodies (CBBE) burst the clothing when using a condom. You can see it from page 34 in the thread. Have you found a reason for this yet?

[rilieAP]

16 hours ago, MrNicoras said:

This is a fairly new character.  I've run the mod many times before, with older versions.  I just updated to the most recent version today.  But I'd say over the last three or four days IRL,, i've had weird pregnancy problems with this character.  No downtime for infertility, she gets pregnant basically every time she has sex unless already pregnant.  The pregnancies only last three months, and the morphs are all wonky each time.  I might try to disable post partum, because the lasting morphs from that seem to last a long time.  But, she's never been not pregnant for long enough to let them go down naturally. (Nuka Ride start). 

All of this, I've had this type of issue with no downtime post-partum since 3.80 I think.  I start Nuka Ride after meeting Codsworth and finding 30 caps in Sanctuary, then run to Drumlin, so basically a brand new character.

 

My first pregnancy is spot on no issues.  Quests start correctly(Abortion & Father) and morphs are fine, doctor's chat you up and provide services correctly.  Post birth, I get the post-partum perk that says I can't get pregnant and then immediately do.  At month 2 or 3 it's just insane morphs like pictured above. the quests never start and doctor's do not recognize I'm pregnant.  Also doing Nuka Ride start, so I'm frequently having sex, but I play a brainless slut, who then goes to talk to the raiders in the Commonwealth for the settlers, finds out they don't respect the Overboss's collar or branding and gets taken as a Pet.  So lots of bangin!!

 

Edit - I went so far as to remove it mid-playthrough(terminating messed up pregnancy mentioned above, reset morphs, stop FPPR), install FPE standard(don't use WDF, so no worries there) and have no issues mid-game.  On my 3rd pregnancy with zero issues so far post-removal.  I love the additional stuff in Redux, but it just doesn't work for me yet.

Edited April 8, 2022 by RileyAP
Added info

[brady560]

8 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

so wait 48 hours or so for traders to refresh

 

also I did change how the wine works so it is also a gift

 

I will have another look at it

thanks. is there any specific trader i should look at? i have been to a number of them and havent seen anything yet. also what about sex not counting? 

[rilieAP]

One more thing, happy to troubleshoot if you have anything you want me to test.  I have not tested this latest version, but I'm planning on starting over again anyway, so happy to help test, I'll try whatever is the latest version when I do and report in.

[vaultbait]

@Invictusblade: In testing the latest FPER/WDF, I'm still not able to get separate super mutant or FEV hound settings through Wasteland Offspring working. I set the option in the FPER MCM for creatures to use separate settings and then increase things like impregnation chances and viability in WO's MCM, but I'm continuing to get the default human race percentages reported for sex between a human female and a super mutant or FEV hound. Are you able to reproduce the problem, or is it something I'm overlooking in my setup?

[Invictusblade]

5 hours ago, brady560 said:

thanks. is there any specific trader i should look at? i have been to a number of them and havent seen anything yet. also what about sex not counting? 

so I added (via quest) to vanilla traders Leveled lists (under Meds, Food, Guns, Clothes) it should be added sooner or later (but it does depend on your other mods)

 

4 hours ago, RileyAP said:

One more thing, happy to troubleshoot if you have anything you want me to test.  I have not tested this latest version, but I'm planning on starting over again anyway, so happy to help test, I'll try whatever is the latest version when I do and report in.

go ahead with testing because some of these bugs are really weird/

 

The Real problem is that I added some much content are actually mimic the bugs (MCM options for different pregnancy lengths or morphs) or not getting pregnant. (could be because of Postpartum or the new perk sterility)

 

2 hours ago, vaultbait said:

@Invictusblade: In testing the latest FPER/WDF, I'm still not able to get separate super mutant or FEV hound settings through Wasteland Offspring working. I set the option in the FPER MCM for creatures to use separate settings and then increase things like impregnation chances and viability in WO's MCM, but I'm continuing to get the default human race percentages reported for sex between a human female and a super mutant or FEV hound. Are you able to reproduce the problem, or is it something I'm overlooking in my setup?

I will have a look

 

40 minutes ago, interstate27 said:

So I've been trying to use the newest FPER/WDF, but I can't seem to get my player pregnant from sex. Even when I set chances to 100%, no pregnancy starts. I can get my player pregnant by using the debug menu, but not via sex scenes. I have all of the required mods and script extender. I'm not sure what is causing my problem.

so I have added a couple more chance options(and a heap more in WDF) (Two Player chances (Sender and receiver) and a ghoul and the creatures)

 

so one of the things, I have added, is the sterility perk (which completely prevents pregnancies) so Turn on Conception Notifications in MCM and try again.

also send me a papylus log see number 3 of my signuture

[Invictusblade]

On 4/8/2022 at 12:01 PM, MrNicoras said:

My girl has never been with a Supermutant, but based on the size of her belly after less that 2 FPE months, I'd say she's due to give birth to a Behemoth...  That, or there's something really screwy with the morphs. (Fusion Girl, BodyGen enabled, ZeroSliders preset.)

FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.ini 942 B · 2 downloads

so what/who is the father? human? (you never said) (send me a screenshot of the other pregnancy popup, the NPC one)

if it is a creature then upload the settings for Wasteland Offspring

 

here is what the NPC version of the pop up looks like

 

 

 

[Invictusblade]

so I started work on the next update

 

and the only confirmed change is the ability to birth children and adults (skipping the baby and child stage) *this is mostly for debugging or bah

*it was a lot easier than I was expecting

[brady560]

ok so i waited a number of days and nothing pops up in stores. i do rarely find romantic wine out but that it. also nothing seems to make the counter go up and i think i went through all options and check it enabled.  but looking at the pics you posted it said im zero of zero for marraiges so maybe i messed it up.

Edited April 9, 2022 by brady560
new info

[Haberdasher]

@Invictusblade You have certainly put a lot of effort into this mod, it's amazing the scope of the features.

 

I'm trying to understand the percentage chances under the Existence NPC pages.

Is this feature applied automatically to all npcs when you first start the mod?

Or when an npc first spawns game/hasn't been applied before? (I'm guessing this, but I want to make sure)

 

The various options (pregnancy, std/virus) defaults to 50% which seems pretty high to me as defaults.
I think it's something you might want to make a bit more clear about in your documentation, so new users can tune it to what they want in case it causes them trouble.

The only mention of it I see (but doesn't say it's about the Existence pages) is "(I have no idea if this will cause performance issues)"

And that's at the end of the 4.0 change log rather than the main description, so possibly even more important that you make it clearer.

Thanks for your great work.

[MrNicoras]

3 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

so what/who is the father? human? (you never said) (send me a screenshot of the other pregnancy popup, the NPC one)

if it is a creature then upload the settings for Wasteland Offspring

 

here is what the NPC version of the pop up looks like

 

Hi Invictus.  Sorry.  I'll try to include any relevant details I can think of.  If I miss something or you need to know more, please let me know.   My gal is now on her 6th or 7th pregnancy (the diary doesn't specify how many).  She's less than a month (.8) along.  (1st screenshot). The fathers have all been human.   Each pregnancy has resulted in her belly growing to the size in the earlier screenshot.  You can also see from my MCM settings that most all of them are set at the default setting.  Nothing crazy with the morphs.  My Behemoth line from earlier was just a joke since her belly was so damn big.  Each pregnancy has lasted 2 FPE months before giving birth.  The "Father" quest has never triggered for any of them.  NPC pregnancies seem to work normally (2nd screenshot).  I've also gotten surprisingly high percentage notifications when she gets knocked up - either 360% or 3600% (I've seen both).  I have pregnancy disabled during Post Partum, but the third screenshot shows that she had a 360% chance of pregnancy during Post Partum.  I don't know how to enable Papyrus logging, but I'll get that up and running if you can easily walk me through how to set it up and how to access the Papyrus logs.  

[MrNicoras]

Oops.  Grabbed the wrong screenshot for No.  3.  The above one just shows the 3600% chance for pregnancy.  This is the 360% / Post partum notification. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by MrNicoras

[Invictusblade]

43 minutes ago, MrNicoras said:

Hi Invictus.  Sorry.  I'll try to include any relevant details I can think of.  If I miss something or you need to know more, please let me know.   My gal is now on her 6th or 7th pregnancy (the diary doesn't specify how many).  She's less than a month (.8) along.  (1st screenshot). The fathers have all been human.   Each pregnancy has resulted in her belly growing to the size in the earlier screenshot.  You can also see from my MCM settings that most all of them are set at the default setting.  Nothing crazy with the morphs.  My Behemoth line from earlier was just a joke since her belly was so damn big.  Each pregnancy has lasted 2 FPE months before giving birth.  The "Father" quest has never triggered for any of them.  NPC pregnancies seem to work normally (2nd screenshot).  I've also gotten surprisingly high percentage notifications when she gets knocked up - either 360% or 3600% (I've seen both).  I have pregnancy disabled during Post Partum, but the third screenshot shows that she had a 360% chance of pregnancy during Post Partum.  I don't know how to enable Papyrus logging, but I'll get that up and running if you can easily walk me through how to set it up and how to access the Papyrus logs.  

so a few points

1. which human? not anyone from a vault right?

2. well post partum should have lower fertility however there is a secondary part that should prevent impregnation (assuming that it is enabled)

3. about papyus, see number 3 of my signature (in the spoiler)

4. also can you do two things,

4a. screenshot of your perks (monthly pregnancy perks & Fertility / Postpartum perks)

4b. do the Target Pregnancy Info on yourself by moving to an isolated area (what you did for the second image) *it is the NPC version, Not the Player version

 

 

about the other issues, it is possible that other mods interfere with the new aspects of FPER

Edited April 9, 2022 by Invictusblade

[MrNicoras]

9 minutes ago, Invictusblade said:

so a few points

1. which human? not anyone from a vault right?

2. well post partum should have lower fertility however there is a secondary part that should prevent impregnation (assuming that it is enabled)

3. about papyus, see number 3 of my signature (in the spoiler)

4. also can you do two things,

4a. screenshot of your perks (monthly pregnancy perks & Fertility / Postpartum perks)

4b. do the Target Pregnancy Info on yourself by moving to an isolated area (what you did for the second image) *it is the NPC version, Not the Player version

 

 

about the other issues, it is possible that other mods interfere with the new aspects of FPER

None of the fathers have been vault dwellers.  I'm pretty sure they are all from vanilla NPC's.  But with 306 active mods, and a lot involving Raiders due to my current modlist, I can't say for sure that all the fathers have been Vanilla NPCs.  But definitely all human, and definitely no vault dwellers.

 

I took screenshots using both notifications so you can compare.  The one that shows PC info was taken shortly before the second that shows the NPC version.  I thought I'd taken consecutive screenshots, but that seems to not be the case. The only difference would be that the screengrab I thought I took would have said .95 FPE months instead of .8 months.  That's noteworthy since the NPC screengrab says 5 months.   I also added the Papyrus language from your spoiler into my Fallout4.ini file and ran the game twice.  But when I checked my Fallout 4 folder, I don't have a file called Logs, and I don't have a papyrus log anywhere in the Documents folder.  I've included four screenshots of my MCM settings.  If you need more, let me know.

 

A couple of more things I noticed.  User RileyAP noted in a comment a few hours ago quoting my earlier post saying that they were experiencing similar problems.  They also noted that the doctors weren't offering the option to examine the baby.  I checked both my Sanctuary NPC doctor and Dr. Sun in Diamond city.  Neither offered the option to inspect my baby.  Another thing I noticed that didn't register until going through this troubleshooting session.  I posted a day or two ago asking how to feed the baby.  You said just holding it works.  I tried that after asking and it seemed to work.  This would have been earlier in my current playthrough.  At some point since then, I noticed that I wasn't getting any more notifications that the baby needed to be fed.  At the moment I have three babies in my inventory, and clearly a fourth on the way.  Two of the babies are mine, and the other I picked up off a dead raider.  I don't think any of them have ever been fed, but I haven't seen a notification to feed them for quite some time. 

[Klobbo]

Sorry, it is me again.

Since update to version 4.004 pregnancy doesn't work for me anymore. (Papyrus.1.log). After switching back to 4.003a_beta pregnancy works. (Papyrus.0.log)

 

I even started a new game to test it again but to no avail.

 

Is this just me or does anyone else expirience this behaviour?

Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.1.log plugins.txt

[Invictusblade]

50 minutes ago, MrNicoras said:

None of the fathers have been vault dwellers.  I'm pretty sure they are all from vanilla NPC's.  But with 306 active mods, and a lot involving Raiders due to my current modlist, I can't say for sure that all the fathers have been Vanilla NPCs.  But definitely all human, and definitely no vault dwellers.

 

I took screenshots using both notifications so you can compare.  The one that shows PC info was taken shortly before the second that shows the NPC version.  I thought I'd taken consecutive screenshots, but that seems to not be the case. The only difference would be that the screengrab I thought I took would have said .95 FPE months instead of .8 months.  That's noteworthy since the NPC screengrab says 5 months.   I also added the Papyrus language from your spoiler into my Fallout4.ini file and ran the game twice.  But when I checked my Fallout 4 folder, I don't have a file called Logs, and I don't have a papyrus log anywhere in the Documents folder.  I've included four screenshots of my MCM settings.  If you need more, let me know.

 

A couple of more things I noticed.  User RileyAP noted in a comment a few hours ago quoting my earlier post saying that they were experiencing similar problems.  They also noted that the doctors weren't offering the option to examine the baby.  I checked both my Sanctuary NPC doctor and Dr. Sun in Diamond city.  Neither offered the option to inspect my baby.  Another thing I noticed that didn't register until going through this troubleshooting session.  I posted a day or two ago asking how to feed the baby.  You said just holding it works.  I tried that after asking and it seemed to work.  This would have been earlier in my current playthrough.  At some point since then, I noticed that I wasn't getting any more notifications that the baby needed to be fed.  At the moment I have three babies in my inventory, and clearly a fourth on the way.  Two of the babies are mine, and the other I picked up off a dead raider.  I don't think any of them have ever been fed, but I haven't seen a notification to feed them for quite some time. 

About the perks, I meant from your Pipboy

 

but I found one of the problems (I am not sure why it is doing it yet)

so the pregnancy issue is the pregnancy from Existence (which is why the two time values conflict with each other because it is designed bug)

*but I am not sure why it is happening to the Player (it requires a cheat IVF to work)

 

maybe the player is using the Initialize from BasePregData (I can easily fix this)

but question does the player have/may have

a STD

a breeder virus

Overlays (if you have Overlays installed)

Autonomous Perk (if you have Autonomy installed)

and have Gift Perks / Sexually Perks

[Church the Cat]

Heyo, I think I figured out my issue with "cumflation" not showing. I noticed "Sex Attributes" also supports "cumflation", so I disabled this mod's own "cumflation". Now, she fills up like a waterbed again. I'm happy now, thanks. ?

Edited April 9, 2022 by Church the Cat

[vranina]

I can say about the huge percentage of chances of pregnancy. There are several sliders for chance and when you increase them obviously the chance multiplies and instead of 40-50% it becomes 4000-5000%. The same is true of EgoBallistic fashion. You just have to waste time testing which slider affects how much and adjust it as you like.

[Invictusblade]

14 minutes ago, vranina said:

I can say about the huge percentage of chances of pregnancy. There are several sliders for chance and when you increase them obviously the chance multiplies and instead of 40-50% it becomes 4000-5000%. The same is true of EgoBallistic fashion. You just have to waste time testing which slider affects how much and adjust it as you like.

yes, I never actually changed how fertility actually works

all I did was the following...

 

changed the existing potion into having a perk or magic effect

added perks so you can tell what is happening (as well as increasing the time of fertility)

added infertility (I just copied the Pill effects)

added normal fertility (mainly so the boosting fertility won't happen for a while)

added a fertility test kit that tells you how much fertility you(or others) have

added Sterility so you cannot have anymore children

 

note for upcoming update

I made it that Males can have use the Conception Pill (pretend that it is anti-sperm production meds)

 

1 hour ago, Church the Cat said:

Heyo, I think I figured out my issue with "cumflation" not showing. I noticed "Sex Attributes" also supports "cumflation", so I disabled this mod's own "cumflation". Now, she fills up like a waterbed again. I'm happy now, thanks. ?

whenever I get to changing the download page, I will mention this.

[MrNicoras]

5 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

About the perks, I meant from your Pipboy

 

but I found one of the problems (I am not sure why it is doing it yet)

so the pregnancy issue is the pregnancy from Existence (which is why the two time values conflict with each other because it is designed bug)

*but I am not sure why it is happening to the Player (it requires a cheat IVF to work)

 

maybe the player is using the Initialize from BasePregData (I can easily fix this)

but question does the player have/may have

a STD

a breeder virus

Overlays (if you have Overlays installed)

Autonomous Perk (if you have Autonomy installed)

and have Gift Perks / Sexually Perks

a STD?  Almost definitely.  I don't see one on the effects tab in the PipBoy, but I'm confident she has an STD unless they all get cured by the Doctor.  I've seen several STD notifications pop up, but I can't say for a fact she has one currently as it may have been cured by a doctor.  I've never applied a found or created STD cure to her other than the genital rash cure from RSE Brothels.

 

a breeder virus? Possibly.  I don't use Boston Breeder on this build, but I think Wasteland Dairy or FPE also includes a Breeder Virus.  I don't know how to confirm that.

 

Overlays (if you have Overlays installed)? I do use your Overlay framework, but I thought that only applied to NPCs.  I also use Cum Overlays.  I've never known that to affect pregnancy belly size. 

 

Autonomous Perk (if you have Autonomy installed)?  I do have Autonomy installed

 

and have Gift Perks / Sexually Perks?  These are active if their default setting makes them active.  I haven't touched these settings in MCM.

 

Just for general information:  This is the first playthrough where I've seen this problem.  I update FPE whenever you release a new update, and I've been running this current character since 3/30/22.  So she's pretty new.  Like I said, I started with a Nuka Ride start, and stayed pretty focused on that mod only until I completed it.  She's only had 2 or 3 real life days in the Commonwealth on her own.  I can say fairly confidently that I'm not using a "cheat IVF",  because i have no idea what that is nor would I have any idea how to apply it.  I'm also running 308 active mods, so it could very easily be caused by another mod.  However, FPE doesn't have a big footprint in my conflicts check.  The last conflict I resolved was the Elderly tags conflicting with People aren't the same Height mod.  That was an easy patch with an override esp..

 

[MrNicoras]

4 hours ago, vranina said:

I can say about the huge percentage of chances of pregnancy. There are several sliders for chance and when you increase them obviously the chance multiplies and instead of 40-50% it becomes 4000-5000%. The same is true of EgoBallistic fashion. You just have to waste time testing which slider affects how much and adjust it as you like.

This is true.  But I haven't touched the chance multiplier settings.  They are all set at default.

[Darkanna17]

On 4/8/2022 at 12:50 PM, vranina said:

I'm interested in history. As far as I read in the 19th and the first half of the 20th century they were Puritan mostly for ordinary people. In Bulgaria in the 1970s and 1980s, the so-called "Leninist marriage" was discussed. The leader of the proletarian revolution, Comrade Lenin, cohabited with two women, his lawful wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya, and his mistress, Inessa Armand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inessa_Armand

 

I do not know how it is in other countries, but in our country until 1989 (when socialism fell) the customs were very Puritan, especially in small towns (such as where I live). God, what times we had when I was young, if someone had told me that I could communicate with people on the other side of the world in real time, I would have thought him crazy.

I would have thought so too, but someone got me onto cyberpunk novels and using dialup modems to contact Bulletin Board Systems (BBS). The internet wasn't as big a surprise as the sudden beginning of widespread adoption of it not long after I started using it, Eternal September rolls on and on...

[vaultbait]

5 hours ago, Darkanna17 said:

Eternal September rolls on and on...

 

The name ended up being far more accurate than, I think, any of us back then anticipated.

[Invictusblade]

9 hours ago, MrNicoras said:

a STD?  Almost definitely.  I don't see one on the effects tab in the PipBoy, but I'm confident she has an STD unless they all get cured by the Doctor.  I've seen several STD notifications pop up, but I can't say for a fact she has one currently as it may have been cured by a doctor.  I've never applied a found or created STD cure to her other than the genital rash cure from RSE Brothels.

 

a breeder virus? Possibly.  I don't use Boston Breeder on this build, but I think Wasteland Dairy or FPE also includes a Breeder Virus.  I don't know how to confirm that.

 

Overlays (if you have Overlays installed)? I do use your Overlay framework, but I thought that only applied to NPCs.  I also use Cum Overlays.  I've never known that to affect pregnancy belly size. 

 

Autonomous Perk (if you have Autonomy installed)?  I do have Autonomy installed

 

and have Gift Perks / Sexually Perks?  These are active if their default setting makes them active.  I haven't touched these settings in MCM.

 

Just for general information:  This is the first playthrough where I've seen this problem.  I update FPE whenever you release a new update, and I've been running this current character since 3/30/22.  So she's pretty new.  Like I said, I started with a Nuka Ride start, and stayed pretty focused on that mod only until I completed it.  She's only had 2 or 3 real life days in the Commonwealth on her own.  I can say fairly confidently that I'm not using a "cheat IVF",  because i have no idea what that is nor would I have any idea how to apply it.  I'm also running 308 active mods, so it could very easily be caused by another mod.  However, FPE doesn't have a big footprint in my conflicts check.  The last conflict I resolved was the Elderly tags conflicting with People aren't the same Height mod.  That was an easy patch with an override esp..

 

at this moment, I do not care what your MCM settings are

 

what I care about is the perks that the player has at the moment

so take a screenshot of your perks in the pipboy (and take more screenshots if you have a lot of perk )

(look at the image, I have uploaded, do this)

[MrNicoras]

3 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

at this moment, I do not care what your MCM settings are

 

what I care about is the perks that the player has at the moment

so take a screenshot of your perks in the pipboy (and take more screenshots if you have a lot of perk )

(look at the image, I have uploaded, do this)

Gotcha.  Based on the very first Breeder STD perk, that could explain the 2 month pregnancies... 

 

I also noticed that the conflict between the Lactation perk (actively producing milk) Mammary Hypoplasia (Cannot produce milk) perks is interesting.  Would that cause the lack of hungry baby notifications?  I also don't know how powerful the cumflation perk is.  Would that explain the excessively large pregnancy belly?