Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Then will the owner ask Lola to find a gleeman who writes well and write a story about Lola and the owner in the form of text? Write it into a book and sell it in Skyrim.

That's an interesting idea.  I like it.  This would work well as another special event at score 100.  A secondary quest could be to take the book to a bard in each of the other major cities and persuade (sex or gold) those other bards to learn it.

  

3 hours ago, Vigor said:

I failed to reach 90+ score with the default settings....

At higher scores, you really have to offer service as often as you can.  Fast travel, carriage rides, or sleeping more than 8 hours per day can cost you a lot of opportunities.

  

3 hours ago, Vigor said:

When Lola finally got to the High Hrothgar, an oldman insisted that she has to "train" her throat to learn new shouts (not sure which mod it was).

Not this one.  Possibly another sex mod (does anyone recognize which one?).  It sounds exactly like something those old guys would do.

  

3 hours ago, Vigor said:

I guess Alduin will have to wait for another Dragonborn, a stronger one (or with a new set of mods/settings ).

I know you were just telling a humorous story (and thank you for sharing!), but this kind of turn of events really makes for good storytelling.  Not every playthrough has to be a complete success.  It's my belief that several possible Dragonborn exist.  If one is unsuccessful, the Divines will prompt another to take that one's place (next game?).  With the future of the world in the balance, the gods wouldn't have just one arrow in their quiver.

[blahity]

10 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

7 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Then will the owner ask Lola to find a gleeman who writes well and write a story about Lola and the owner in the form of text? Write it into a book and sell it in Skyrim.

That's an interesting idea.  I like it.  This would work well as another special event at score 100.  A secondary quest could be to take the book to a bard in each of the other major cities and persuade (sex or gold) those other bards to learn it.

Finally! Another job to put those lazy bards at the bard's college to work!

3 hours ago, Vigor said:

an oldman insisted that she has to "train" her throat to learn new shouts (not sure which mod it was).

Tell me more...

12 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

3 hours ago, Vigor said:

I guess Alduin will have to wait for another Dragonborn, a stronger one (or with a new set of mods/settings ).

I know you were just telling a humorous story (and thank you for sharing!), but this kind of turn of events really makes for good storytelling.  Not every playthrough has to be a complete success.  It's my belief that several possible Dragonborn exist.  If one is unsuccessful, the Divines will prompt another to take that one's place (next game?).  With the future of the world in the balance, the gods wouldn't have just one arrow in their quiver.

Due to this last update my latest dragonborn won't complete the story arc I had played for her. My Dark Elf Dragonborn decided to join the Stormcloaks to earn the Dark Elves of Windhelm some respect! She discovered that she would be required to wear a chastity belt and with a plug if she wanted to fight (Devious Regulations + Fix and Harder Devious Regulations). She reluctantly agreed and operated normally until the battle of Whiterun, afterwards she was assigned a "partner"  loyal to Ulfric after he discovered she was dragonborn. She discovered the Dragonborn kept a copy of Submissive Lola and saw her opportunity to ensure her loyalty to the stormcloaks and made her move.
 

Unfortunately that's were it ends. I was planning on having her "train" the Dragonborn for the rest of the war and main quest then trigger the Windhelm party event in Public Whore, but the update came around and that save probably won't be wise to continue playing on after I update everything. Oh well, time to mess around with my modlist for my next playthrough!

[r3mind]

36 minutes ago, blahity said:

Tell me more...

It should be either Sexlab Solutions/Confabulation or Troubles of Heroine. I usually keep these mods for extra dialogue options and potential followers. Anyways, it turned out that the most effective way to train the voice is to have all four Greybeards participate in the "training". Luckily, I have plenty of animations installed for all tags. Unluckily for Lola, my SLSO requires at least 2 orgasms for each actor if they are aroused enough 

[GL00]

First off, I am so sorry for the length of this. But I saw you mention you appreciate suggestions, so if its alright, I wanted to lay out some random ideas. These are mostly off the top of my head. I had more that I thought of while playing, but have since forgot them after a break. I could always post more ideas later, if that wouldn't be too annoying. I got some quest ideas, and random tasks and events near the bottom, where I tried to incorporate the playmate more, since they feel underutilized.

In With The Inn's:
Your master wants to get in good with the local Inn. So she hands you over to them for a random amount of time to be used as they see fit.
The first idea is that they make you wear a wench outfit and bondage gear while carrying food/drinks to different customers. Giving drinks can get you tips, verbally harassed, or sexually assaulted. The Inn keeper doesn't care as long as you do your job. (maybe if you take too long, they give a bad review, and both the Inn keeper and your master punishes you for it.)
Alternatively the job could be that they tie you up, and let every paying customer have free use of you for the night. (I've seen animations where you are tied to a post or wagon wheel. The player could be locked in that pose, and the animation tied to it could play each time an NPC uses you. If that's possible).
 

Apothecary Job:
When at a city that has an potions shop, your owner may force you to go with her to help the store owner test some experimental potions. They have random affects, like, induce an instant or constant orgasm, exhausting you. Multiple orgasms randomly over time. Put you at max arousal for a random amount of time. Entirely denying you from reaching climax for random amount of time. Make you irresistible to everyone around you (increasing rape chances by a substantial amount). Increase size of breasts and/or butt for X amount of time. Induce excessive lactation, or make you a milk maid (if Milk Maid Economy is installed). I could list dozens of potion ideas, but you get the point.

 

At Master's Will:
Owner casts spell, or equips collar on you that puts her in complete control of your body for some time. Meaning, she can make you climax at the press of a button, while actively bullying you for making a scene/mess as you moan on the floor. There could be an alternative version where she chooses to edge/deny you instead, where she instead teases you by saying stuff like: "So close!" or "Only good girls get to cum, and I don't think you've been good enough!"

Self- Control Training:
Owner bans you from having sex for X amount of time. If you have sex, or are forced into sex, she punishes you either by spanking, or putting on bondage gear. Maybe if you repeatedly have sex, she puts you in a timed chastity belt, and berates you for how much of an uncontrollable slut you are.

Supporting the Troops:
Ether randomly, or after you choose a side in the conflict, your master decides to offer you up to the local barracks for some time. You cant decline any of the guards requests within that time, or else you will get punished by your master. They strip you down, get you drunk, make you dance, and use you to relive some stress.
 

Teachers Pet:
When visiting the Collage of Winterhold, your master may decide to offer you up to the collage to help them teach magic lessons. You have to go to a few different teachers who will either, cast random spells on you, using a similar pool of affects from the Apothecary Job. Or just fuck you with their magic. (There are a lot of good animations for it) Making a lesson out of you right in front of their students.
Ether between 'helping' the teachers with demonstrating magic, or as a separate quest, they could make you do odd jobs in Winterhold. Like fetching the spell book that they're gonna use on you. Or getting magic jewelry, which they will then force you to wear for the magic lesson. Of course, they make you do these tasks in tight bindings.

Masters Home Decor:
When in a player home, your master may strip you down before tying you to a post, or suspending you from the ceiling while she goes about her home business. She likes looking at her property. Maybe even putting some plugs or jewelry on you so she can get some ambient sounds to fill the silence. Maybe she will even 'reward' you by making you keep them in after.

Milk Maid:
If you have the mod installed. Your master decides to try and make some money off you in a new way. They decide to turn you into a dairy cow! Forcing you to drink lactacid then milking you once every 24 hours for a random amount of days. She may give you more lactacid to keep milking you each day, or just get a few jugs then leave you be until the event happens again.

Random Jobs/tasks:
* Having the player train their playmate by equipping bondage on them, and making them cast a spell to activate their toys a certain amount of times a day. Or have the playmate approach you several times that day asking if they can be of service, where you can choose from a list of random tasks. Like, get me a drink/food. Pleasure me. Strip naked. Beg for an orgasm. Etc. Maybe if the playmate refuses a task, you have a dialogue option to shock or scold them. If you don't properly punish them, you get punished by your own master.

* You're master, wanting a break from training you, puts you under the care of your playmate for some time. Now you need to instead please them for the day. The playmate gets to do whatever they want to you, and maybe gets a little carried away with that freedom. Approaching you several times throughout the day to equip bondage, constantly activating your vibrators, shocking you, or just making you fuck random people under the threat of telling your master you didn't behave.

* Your master tells you that your playmate has been extra needy, and wants you to handle it. Essentially just making you two fuck a few times.

* Its always been weird to me that I'm a slave, but am the one choosing when and where we go. Maybe your master can occasionally decide where you are going, forcing you into starting a sidequest. It could choose a random, non main quest from your journal, and you need to ether finish it, or make some sort of progress on it within a time limit.

* Your master wants to relax with some drinks, but she makes you join her. Forcing you to get drunk. Maybe she takes some gold from you to pay off what you drink, before drunkenly fucking you.

* Your master decides to hold an endurance contest between you and your playmate. Making you both wear vibrators before activating them for a prolonged period. It could select a random winner, and the loser gets punished.

* Your master wants to practice a new spell. She uses you, and maybe your playmate, to do so. It uses the same pool of affects as the Apothecary Job, or magic sex animations if not an affect.

[blahity]

@GL00I a lot of these ideas! Some of them seem good enough to be an entire separate mod. Radiant Prostitution (at least the RMCW version) has a waitress job. The mind control feels a bit out of place. Mages are my favorite way to play skyrim so I love anything that involves the college. Master's Decor seems like Display Model 3 integration.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, GL00 said:

I wanted to lay out some random ideas.... I could always post more ideas later, if that wouldn't be too annoying.

Thank you.  Suggestions are welcome.  A few comments:

 

I don't want to immobilize the PC without something interesting happening, and setting up scenes that succeed in doing that while also working reliably is probably too much work (the time might go into adding several other new events instead).  In line with that, this mod intends that you be able to play the game without too much hindrance.  Brief interruptions are okay (and common).  I've avoided sending the PC to clear a specific dungeon because that can disrupt a player's planned adventuring and, despite level scaling, some dungeons are significantly harder than others, which could lead to failure because your character isn't ready.  SLTR's events can be completed by any character build, even at level 1 (you'll have to be creative for Tomb Raider, but it's quite doable).

 

The relationship hierarchy is Owner >= Playmate >= Lola.  A playmate really shouldn't serve Lola, since that character is at best Lola's equal and might be very dominant, such as a Devious Follower.  The mod does let the owner sometimes delegate punishing Lola to the playmate, and I would like to eventually add activities for a playmate to do things to Lola.

 

As blahity noted, Radiant Prostitution (all versions, as far as I know) has a waitress job.  It's not as fun as it might sound, really just a very simple memory game.  Lola's owner can use those hours in more entertaining or profitable ways.

 

You might not have experienced the vibrating piercings yet.  They're used in several events.  Equipping any Lively or Very Lively device also enables those events.

[GL00]

@blahity Thanks! I tried keeping these suggestions tame enough that they stay on brand, and aren't ridiculously hard to implement. But I've have tons of ideas for addons to some of my favorite mods, both big and small, especially for this one. Some standalone mod ideas too, however lack the ability to make any of them.

[GL00]

2 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't want to immobilize the PC without something interesting happening

Yeah, I figured that was the case. It really is hard to think of interesting events to add, especially under the constraints of Skyrim! If I think of any interesting ideas that don't disrupt the player too much, I will bring them here.

 

10 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

You might not have experienced the vibrating piercings yet.  They're used in several events.  Equipping any Lively or Very Lively device also enables those events.

I assume this is brought up about the ideas of your owner edging or forcing orgasms?
Its more about the experience, or "narrative" behind it. Knowing your owner is directly intending for you to be edged or made to climax, rather than just turning on your toys and whatever happens, happens. At least, I've never had a moment where it felt like my owner intentionally did anything like that to me, outside of the message saying she turned on my vibrators, which leaves it pretty vague.
Not 100% sure on what you mean by "Lively devices" though.

Anyways. I appreciate you taking the time to respond! So I don't spam you again, I will be extra strict on those rules for any future suggestions and ideas.

[Hex Bolt]

5 minutes ago, GL00 said:

Not 100% sure on what you mean by "Lively devices" though.

Vibrating devious devices might have the Lively or Very Lively keywords, which increase the chance that they'll vibrate.  It's mostly used on piercings and plugs.

[kingsglaive]

16 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

这是一个有趣的想法。我喜欢。这将作为另一个得分为 100 的特殊活动。次要任务可能是将这本书带给其他每个主要城市的吟游诗人并说服（性或金）其他吟游诗人学习它。

 

Haha, I'm already looking forward to the next version update.

[r3mind]

9 hours ago, GL00 said:

* Its always been weird to me that I'm a slave, but am the one choosing when and where we go. Maybe your master can occasionally decide where you are going, forcing you into starting a sidequest. It could choose a random, non main quest from your journal, and you need to ether finish it, or make some sort of progress on it within a time limit.

It's best to play a character who has a goal like completing the main quest or becoming a high ranked companion/mage (there is a mod that makes it harder "At Your Own Pace") or any other goal/quest you find interesting, otherwise it's too easy to lose interest and motivation to go anywhere (just like IRL I guess). And if you don't visit different cities and locations, then you automatically skip some cool content from Submissive Lola. But I admit, it would be the ultimate mod of Skyrim if it could keep the player constantly busy with tasks, radiant quests and other stuff  (the only other mod that had this potential was Wartimes).

[Antiope_Apollonia]

18 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Your suggestion for ballet boots is pure gold!  It works with the animation, and it would make the job harder in real life.  I'll have to figure out when to use it (not every time, which is too predictable).

If you were to take up my original suggestion, then I'd say a good way would be for Mistress to have a chance each sweeping cycle to forcegreet Lola and add them.  This could incentivise people to set higher requirements in the MCM, too.  You could have a chance for her to add them at the start of the event, too, but that'd require a different justification in the dialogue.

  

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Well, scratch that possibility.  If you open the animation list during spanking (which is technically sex), note the incorrect animations and check their tags in SexLab.  Maybe something mistagged them.  However, that still wouldn't explain why it only happens with non followers.

I don't think it can be a tag issue.  I don't have a huge range of animations installed, and with one exception (more on that in a sec), they're all very cleanly and carefully tagged.  And I don't have problems with getting the correct animations called in any setting other than when there aren't correct animations.  I'll try to make a list of the animation tags that come up during that event once I get my Skyrim up and running again, and we'll see if that goes anywhere, but I'm not optimistic.  

 

The one set of animations I have with problematic tags are Billyy's new(ish) lesbian bound animations—which I think turned out quite well if you haven't checked them out yet, although they do need their tags reworked, as they're not getting filtered properly.  At least once, I got one of those animations when a townsperson should have been spanking me, and the tags were my first thought, too, but I've had "normal" animations called, too, so I don't know.  We'll see if the problem even replicates now that I'm in the middle of updating half my modlist, lol.  Though I won't be surprised if it does, as this isn't the first time I've experienced odd behaviour around the Rydin spanking animation—remember the Nazeem fiasco?  I haven't checked in on that in a while... I should pay that fucker a visit.  And that's with even having done a completely fresh re-install along the way at one point.  I'm starting to think spanking animations are just cursed.

  

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Well, I've been pretty clear that this mod is not about a healthy relationship (and certainly not a modern-day one).  Owners aren't that nice; they enjoy exerting their power. 

Lots of people own dogs and horses.  Some as pets, others as tools.  In either case, the vast majority of those owners expect obedience and undertake explicit training to that end.  Some of those owner–animal relationships are very affectionate, and others are much more aloof and utilitarian, but in either case, vanishingly few of those owners use their position as an opportunity to capriciously and counterproductively torment their beasts—and those who do so are almost universally condemned aberrations.  The other model I've always found useful for thinking about Mistress's attitude is the oldschool stern father.  In any case, one who exerts power merely for power's sake is duly condemned as a psychopath, though considerable power is frequently exercised instrumentally toward other ends.  The trope of the stern father saying, "I'm doing this for your own good," for example, seems like an appropriate characterisation of Mistress in certain situations.  And just as the farmer or the hunter must bend his animals to his needs, Mistress must bend her slave to hers.

 

What I've aimed for with the Mistress–Lola relationship in my playthroughs has always been something closer to the hunting dog or workhorse and its owner.  I'd love it if there were a way to have Mistress treat Lola as a cherished pet—which would still differ significantly from a romance mod or contemporary consensual BDSM—but I know that that's outside the scope of the mod's current design.  But I'm quite content with the more utilitarian working beast type relationship, and I get my dose of affection from my slave sisters with PAHE+DoM.  Most of the time, it's quite possible to roleplay with SLTR within that framework, but once in a while, one bumps into rough edges where Mistress does do something that seems wantonly cruel and frustrates my roleplaying experience.  The current implementation of Clean Sweep is one of the more conspicuous examples.

 

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Perhaps you can consider it a character flaw in an otherwise fair dom.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to work.  Capriciousness and fairness are about as compatible as compatible as obesity and good health.  "Her obesity is the one health flaw in an otherwise healthy woman." ? 

 

It definitely seems like expanding the function of the "hard to please owner" setting to govern more things than just Run, Lola, Run! would be a good move, both as a solution for Clean Sweep and as a long-term move.  I guess it might need a little bit of reworking—I can't jump in game to look at the MCM right now, as my Skyrim is still borked from the update—as, if I recall correctly, right now it's just a slider from 0–100% chance of getting an unsatisfied response?  It'd probably need to be more of a multiplier on the event's base chance, instead.  And maybe it could be renamed to something like "Owner Fairness" (or "Unfairness" as you prefer), as I recall finding the current name a little unintuitive when I was new to the mod, anyway.  Regardless, investing in that system would probably pay big dividends in the long run for a mod that puts such a premium on configurability.  That way you could add even more capricious torments for the people who are into that sort of thing, while those of us who are put off by it could just set the multiplier at or close to "0" and go about our days blissfully unaware.

 

Personally, though I'd of course love it if SLTR offered the option for Mistress to be much more affectionate, I'm pretty content with Mistress being more pragmatic, and thankfully, changes like the introduction of "Strict" mode have really helped to make that work most of the time.  I'm hopeful that we can continue finding ways to refine that experience going forward.

[kingsglaive]

14 hours ago, GL00 said:

首先，我对这篇文章的篇幅感到非常抱歉。但我看到你提到你很欣赏建议，所以如果可以的话，我想提出一些随机的想法。这些大部分都是我的想法。我在玩的时候想到了更多，但休息后就忘记了。如果不会太烦人的话，我以后总是可以发布更多的想法。我得到了一些任务想法，以及底部附近的随机任务和事件，我尝试更多地融入玩伴，因为他们感觉没有得到充分利用。

与旅馆相处：
你的主人想与当地的旅馆搞好关系。所以她会把你交给他们一段随机的时间，供他们认为合适的时候使用。
第一个想法是，他们让你穿着少女服装和束缚装备，同时向不同的顾客运送食物/饮料。提供饮料可能会让您获得小费、口头骚扰或性侵犯。只要你做好你的工作，旅馆老板不在乎。（也许如果你花的时间太长，他们会给你一个不好的评价，旅馆老板和你的主人都会因此惩罚你。）
或者，工作可能是他们把你绑起来，让每个付费顾客都可以免费使用你那个晚上。（我见过你被绑在柱子或马车车轮上的动画。玩家可以被锁定在那个姿势，并且每次 NPC 使用你时，绑定到它的动画都可以播放。如果可能的话）。
 

药剂师工作：
当在一个有魔药店的城市时，你的老板可能会强迫你和她一起去帮助店主测试一些实验性魔药。它们有随机的影响，比如引发瞬间或持续的高潮，让你筋疲力尽。随着时间的推移随机出现多次高潮。让您在随机的时间内处于最大唤醒状态。完全阻止你在随机的时间内达到高潮。让你周围的每个人都无法抗拒（大大增加强奸的机会）。增加乳房和/或臀部的大小 X 时间。诱导过度哺乳，或让你成为挤奶女仆（如果安装了挤奶女仆经济）。我可以列出几十种魔药创意，但你明白我的意思了。

 

按照主人的意愿：
主人对你施展法术，或者给你装备项圈，让她在一段时间内完全控制你的身体。意思是，她可以按一下按钮让你达到高潮，同时当你在地板上呻吟时主动欺负你制造场面/混乱。可能还有一个替代版本，她选择边缘/拒绝你，而是通过说“太接近了！”之类的话来取笑你。或者“只有好女孩才能射精，但我认为你还不够好！”

自我控制训练：
主人禁止你在 X 时间内发生性行为。如果你发生性行为，或者被迫发生性行为，她会通过打屁股或给你穿上束缚装备来惩罚你。也许如果你反复发生性行为，她就会给你戴上定时贞操带，并斥责你是一个多么无法控制的荡妇。

支持部队：
以太随机，或者在您选择冲突一方后，您的主人决定为您提供当地军营一段时间。在此期间你不能拒绝守卫的任何请求，否则你会受到主人的惩罚。他们剥光你的衣服，让你喝醉，让你跳舞，并利用你来缓解压力。
 

教师宠物：
当参观冬堡拼贴画时，你的主人可能会决定邀请你进入拼贴画，帮助他们教授魔法课程。你必须去找几个不同的老师，他们要么使用药剂师工作中类似的影响池，对你施放随机咒语。或者只是用他们的魔法操你。（有很多很好的动画）在他们的学生面前给你上一堂课。
无论是“帮助”老师展示魔法，还是作为一个单独的任务，他们都可以让你在冬堡做零工。就像拿来他们要对你使用的咒语书一样。或者获得魔法珠宝，然后他们会强迫你在魔法课上佩戴它们。当然，它们让你在紧密的束缚中完成这些任务。

大师家居装饰：
在玩家家里时，你的主人可能会在将你绑在柱子上之前将你脱光，或者在她处理家庭事务时将你悬挂在天花板上。她喜欢看她的财产。甚至可以给你戴上一些插头或珠宝，这样她就可以听到一些环境声音来填补沉默。也许她甚至会“奖励”你，让你把它们留在里面。

牛奶女仆：
如果你安装了mod。你的主人决定尝试以新的方式从你身上赚钱。他们决定把你变成一头奶牛！强迫您喝乳酸，然后在随机的天数内每 24 小时给您挤奶一次。她可能会给你更多的乳酸来继续每天给你挤奶，或者只是拿几罐然后让你呆着，直到事件再次发生。

随机工作/任务：
* 让玩家通过给他们的玩伴装备束缚来训练他们，并让他们施放咒语以每天激活他们的玩具一定次数。或者让玩伴当天多次接近您，询问他们是否可以为您提供服务，您可以从随机任务列表中进行选择。比如，给我一杯饮料/食物。取悦我吧 脱光衣服。请求性高潮。等等。也许如果玩伴拒绝任务，你可以通过对话选项来震惊或责骂他们。如果你不好好惩罚他们，你就会受到自己主人的惩罚。

* 你是主人，想从训练中休息一下，让你的玩伴照顾你一段时间。现在你需要取悦他们这一天。玩伴可以对你做任何他们想做的事，并且可能会因为这种自由而有点得意忘形。一天中多次接近你来装备束缚，不断地激活你的振动器，电击你，或者只是让你在告诉你的主人你不行为的威胁下与随机的人做爱。

* 你的主人告诉你，你的玩伴特别需要帮助，并希望你能够处理它。本质上只是让你们两个做爱几次。

* 我一直觉得很奇怪，我是一名奴隶，但我却可以选择我们去的时间和地点。也许你的主人偶尔会决定你要去哪里，迫使你开始支线任务。它可以从你的日志中选择一个随机的非主要任务，你需要完成它，或者在规定的时间内取得某种进展。

* 你的主人想喝点饮料放松一下，但她让你加入她。逼着你喝醉。也许她会从你那里拿走一些金子来偿还你喝的酒，然后醉醺醺地操你。

* 你的主人决定在你和你的玩伴之间举办一场耐力赛。让你们俩都戴上振动器，然后再长时间使用它们。它可以随机选择一个获胜者，失败者会受到惩罚。

* 你的主人想要练习一个新的咒语。她利用你，也许还有你的玩伴来做到这一点。它使用与药剂师工作相同的情感池，或者魔法性爱动画（如果不是情感）。

Kalmah's Extension has three similar tasks you might want to consider
(City Bondage), (Restless Slave), (Pack Slave)
In addition, I think the restraints of this MOD are a kind of punishment for lola to resist the master's orders and hurt the master other than (Counting Is Fun).
I think we can learn from the plot of (Counting Is Fun). When Lola refuses and resists orders, the master will restrain Lola. The master requires that lols must strictly implement the master's orders. When will lola fulfill the master's request, when will the master release lola from the bondage. If lola never completes it, she will be restrained forever.
In addition, in this (Parade) task, Lola will be asked by the owner to follow the owner in the street Parade with nudity. I think it can be added that if Lola refuses the owner’s request for nudity Parade, the owner can execute it according to the punishment of (Restless Slave).

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Lots of people own dogs and horses.  Some as pets, others as tools.  In either case, the vast majority of those owners expect obedience and undertake explicit training to that end.

The pet comparison is good and useful up to a point (the owner often uses the pet term), but animals and people are not the same, and human relationships are much more complex and nuanced than those with pets.  As I've said for a long time, this mod isn't really what you're looking for.  I'm glad that that you've found it enjoyable enough to use, but you're going to have square peg in a round hole moments.  I've tried to offer some rationalizations that might help you, but you didn't care for them.

[DonQuiWho]

4 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Kalmah's Extension has three similar tasks you might want to consider
(City Bondage), (Restless Slave), (Pack Slave)
In addition, I think the restraints of this MOD are a kind of punishment for lola to resist the master's orders and hurt the master other than (Counting Is Fun).
I think we can learn from the plot of (Counting Is Fun). When Lola refuses and resists orders, the master will restrain Lola. The master requires that lols must strictly implement the master's orders. When will lola fulfill the master's request, when will the master release lola from the bondage. If lola never completes it, she will be restrained forever.
In addition, in this (Parade) task, Lola will be asked by the owner to follow the owner in the street Parade with nudity. I think it can be added that if Lola refuses the owner’s request for nudity Parade, the owner can execute it according to the punishment of (Restless Slave).

 

Don't want to hijack this thread, but does that really still work for you with current versions of Lola?  I'm sure Hexbolt has warned ppl off it as now being unrelable, even fairly recently - well as far as 12 to 18 months or so is recent in Skyrim ?

 

I had thought about using it, but the comments on its thread imply it doesn't function too well at all now, which is a pity as it might fit my own style of play quite well, and I don't have a Lola SE version that goes anywhere near that far back

 

Next I play as Lola, once I've worked my way to freedom, I'm going to give a Pet Collar to whatever witch was ordering me about, just to show her who really is the boss ... ?

 

DQW

[GL00]

6 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Kalmah's Extension has three similar tasks you might want to consider
(City Bondage), (Restless Slave), (Pack Slave)

I've used it! I enjoy the added variety, I just wish there were more extensions. Though, that extension has broken my save before lol.

 

2 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Don't want to hijack this thread, but does that really still work for you with current versions of Lola?  I'm sure Hexbolt has warned ppl off it as now being unrelable, even fairly recently - well as far as 12 to 18 months or so is recent in Skyrim ?

I use it and its mostly stable. The only issues I have had are it being incompatible with Go To Bed. And the Pack Slave quest soft locking my save. I did find a fix for that one, which I accidentally posted in Coffee's extension. Though its kind of a pain to fix. If you do use the mod, I highly suggest disabling that event.

[shrtjsrtj]

3 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

Don't want to hijack this thread, but does that really still work for you with current versions of Lola?  I'm sure Hexbolt has warned ppl off it as now being unrelable, even fairly recently - well as far as 12 to 18 months or so is recent in Skyrim ?

 

I had thought about using it, but the comments on its thread imply it doesn't function too well at all now, which is a pity as it might fit my own style of play quite well, and I don't have a Lola SE version that goes anywhere near that far back

 

Next I play as Lola, once I've worked my way to freedom, I'm going to give a Pet Collar to whatever witch was ordering me about, just to show her who really is the boss ... ?

 

DQW

I haven't used the events in a while, so thing's may have gotten worse but this is my recollection:

Spoiler

City Bondage: Some of them are incredible like Markarth, but the pathing can sometimes screw up and sometimes the DD items wont get applied, or IIRC queued up ForceGreets mess with it, breaking the quest. Might be able to fix with setstage or a combination of teleporting the owner to you and re-enabling player control, but I just save before going into a city and reload if it breaks. Same thing with the Inn events, save before buying a room and yeah, probably don't run it at the same time as Coffee's sleep control.

 

Pack Slave: Had the same issue as above where it was still running well after the event was supposed to stop. I just rolled with it and I *think* it eventually ended, but my memory is foggy. It also stays equipped when doing whoring duties and if it ever gets stripped you have to ninja open your inventory and re-equip it if you don't want to get zapped.

 

From a quick glance at the thread, can maybe end it with: setstage 0kal_Burden 30

 

Marked Property: Works fine but a lot of the time the animation doesn't line up and the owner is far away branding air.

 

Enough is Enough: Can be hard to trigger, but worked fine when it did for me.

 

Restless Slave: Had this on recently and the event worked fine but didn't clear itself from the quest log. This was on a testing play through so may have been my fault.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by shrtjsrtj

[kingsglaive]

5 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

 

不想劫持这个线程，但是对于当前版本的 Lola 来说，这真的仍然适用吗？我确信 Hexbolt 已经警告人们不要使用它，因为它现在是不可靠的，甚至是最近的 - 以及在《天际》中最近 12 到 18 个月左右的时间?

 

我曾想过使用它，但它的帖子上的评论暗示它现在功能不太好，这很遗憾，因为它可能很适合我自己的游戏风格，而且我没有 Lola SE版本接近那么久远

 

接下来我扮演Lola，一旦我努力获得自由，我就会给任何女巫命令我做的事，给她一个宠物项圈，只是为了让她知道谁才是真正的老大......  ?

 

离散量子阱

 

3 hours ago, GL00 said:

我用过！我喜欢增加的多样性，我只是希望有更多的扩展。不过，那个扩展已经破坏了我之前的保存，哈哈。

 

我用它，它基本上很稳定。我遇到的唯一问题是它与“上床睡觉”不兼容。包奴隶任务软锁定了我的保存。我确实找到了该问题的修复程序，我不小心将其发布在 Coffee 的扩展中。尽管修复它有点痛苦。如果您确实使用该模组，我强烈建议禁用该事件。

 

1 hour ago, shrtjsrtj said:

我已经有一段时间没有使用这些事件了，所以事情可能变得更糟，但这是我的回忆：

  隐藏内容

城市束缚：其中一些像马卡斯一样令人难以置信，但路径有时会搞砸，有时DD项目不会被应用，或者IIRC排队的ForceGreets搞乱了它，破坏了任务。也许可以通过设置阶段或将所有者传送给你并重新启用玩家控制的组合来修复，但我只是在进入城市之前保存并在损坏时重新加载。与 Inn 事件相同，在购买房间之前保存，是的，可能不要与 Coffee 的睡眠控制同时运行它。

 

Pack Slave：遇到与上面相同的问题，在事件应该停止后仍然运行良好。我只是顺着它走，我“认为”它最终结束了，但我的记忆很模糊。它在执行嫖娼任务时也会保持装备状态，如果它被剥夺了，你必须忍者打开你的库存并重新装备它（如果你不想被击中）。

 

快速浏览一下该线程，也许可以用以下内容结束它：setstage 0kal_Burden 30

 

标记属性：工作正常，但很多时候动画没有对齐，并且所有者距离标记空气很远。

 

够了：可能很难触发，但对我来说效果很好。

 

不安分的奴隶：最近启用了此功能，该事件运行良好，但没有从任务日志中清除。这是一次测试游戏，所以可能是我的错。

 

Just provide an option

[kingsglaive]

On 2023/12/10 at PM1点12分, HexBolt8 said:

振动的狡猾设备可能具有 Lively 或 Very Lively 关键字，这会增加它们振动的机会。它主要用于穿孔和插头。

have an idea
Every time people in Skyrim are hit by Dragonborn who is sprinting at full speed, they will always get angry and yell, but there seems to be no punishment for Lola when she sprints and hits her owner.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

On 12/10/2023 at 8:59 PM, HexBolt8 said:

As I've said for a long time, this mod isn't really what you're looking for. 

But it's so close!  Definitely much closer than anything else I'm aware of on the "market" currently.  I can never shake the feeling that it's right on the cusp of being able to be a perfect fit with just a few little tweaks around the edges, because the existing core is already excellent.

 

From reading this thread over the years, it seems like SLTR essentially appeals to four broad—not strictly mutually exclusive—demographics (chime in if anyone thinks I've missed someone!):

1. People who just want a mod to introduce some kinky sex with their followers and who don't care to think too much about it in terms of roleplaying.  There are lots of mods that can serve this crowd, but SLTR Just Works™ where much of the competition can be more fiddly, and SLTR is by far the most configurable, so SLTR is very strongly positioned to serve this demographic.
2. People for whom SLTR's role is to provide a challenge to overcome in the form of enduring or escaping slavery, whether that's for roleplaying something like a rags-to-riches arc or just to add a very different kind of gameplay challenge to what Skyrim typically offers.  These folks don't actually find pleasure in being submissive, so any cruelty or unfairness or etc. from Mistress just enhances the challenge.  Again, there are plenty of mods in that space, but SLTR's excellent writing and functionality position it very strongly.
3. People who don't strongly identify with their PC.  This group connects with the game's narrative more like watching a film, where Mistress and Lola are both equally important characters, but both enjoyed in third person.  You might argue that putting all of these folks in one group is overly broad, as some of this group might even identify more with Mistress than with Lola despite Lola being the character they directly control.  I'd guess that a non-trivial fraction of the crossover between the SLTR and PAHE userbases comes from this group, incidentally.  
4. People who find genuine pleasure in submission per se—who you could say prefer the freedom from having to choose over the freedom to choose.  This group thus sincerely appreciate the strong hands that can relieve them from the burden of choice, but it's important to many such users to feel confident that they're in good hands.  Different folks in this group may—or, importantly, may not—have different additional kinks, but those kinks are generally secondary to the submission itself.  SLTR is pretty much the only game in town for this group.

I'm sure I'm not wholly successful in this, but I try to keep these different constituencies in mind when considering suggestions for SLTR's development.  I expect it's fairly obvious which group I primarily inhabit; I haven't really been able to work out which demographic best describes you, though, and not for want of trying.  I think it's maybe the third group?  I'm often vexed that sometimes it seems like our visions are so closely aligned, but then occasionally we seem to hit a complete impasse.  For example, I remember you recommended Black Label in this thread a while back, and I read it (two or three times) on that recommendation and thoroughly enjoyed it.  If that sort of content is among your inspirations or influences, it seems like we can't possibly be that far apart.

 

Much of SLTR is written in such a way as to seem pretty demographic-neutral, by which I mean people from any of those groups can think about the content according to their preferred interpretation.  Much of the remaining content is able to be individually tailored to the divergent needs of the different constituencies through SLTR's extensive customisation.  Although they can feel really significant when one encounters them, it's only a very small fraction of the mod's content that actually conflicts with how I try to roleplay with the mod, which is why I feel confident that by continuing to build on SLTR's great strength in configurability, it's very possible for the mod to ultimately serve the full breadth of its devoted audience despite the apparent contradictions.  

 

SLTR is so well-implemented in terms of writing, reliability, configurability, etc., that I expect it's a very strong contender for best in class for each of those demographics already, but it does have strong competition from mods like DFC, SD+, Joyful Followers, etc. for some share of its potential users.  The members of that fourth group, however, really have nowhere else to go, so I can't help but feel a surge of passion in advocating for the consideration of this constituency.

 

On 12/10/2023 at 10:32 PM, DonQuiWho said:

Don't want to hijack this thread, but does that really still work for you with current versions of Lola? 

It hasn't been too long since the last time I messed with it.  The biggest issue it has has nothing to do with SLTR or compatibility; the extension just relies heavily on scripted player movement, and that always breaks very easily in any mod.  SLTR's approach with the Whiterun Walk / Parade is much more reliable than trying to script PC movement directly.  If you're going to use it, make sure you keep your scripting load to a minimum.

 

On 12/6/2023 at 10:48 PM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

It'd be cool if we could have an option for Burden of Service and/or Pack Slave to have a visible backpack associated with them.  Would be nice both for roleplaying reasons and practical ones to just as a visual reminder that the quest is active.  Might utilise Campfire or similar as a soft requirement?  Obviously, some folks wear a backpack all the time, so it'd need to be optional, but for those of us who don't, I think it'd be neat.

On further reflection, I'd like to amend this suggestion.  I stand by the idea to add a visual pack for carrying Mistress's stuff, but this seems like a good place for another "fill in your own texture" option, like with the riding crop and the custom collar, rather than needing a soft dependency on a particular mod.  I really like this one!

[Antiope_Apollonia]

On 12/11/2023 at 11:53 PM, kingsglaive said:

have an idea
Every time people in Skyrim are hit by Dragonborn who is sprinting at full speed, they will always get angry and yell, but there seems to be no punishment for Lola when she sprints and hits her owner.

Not sure it's technically feasible without overstepping SLTR's compatibility-focused don't-fuck-with-Vanilla design approach, but if it could be implemented well, this could be a neat little addition.  One potential issue to flag, however, is that sometimes sprinting through followers can be the only way to actually move through a congested corridor, so some safeguard might be necessary to preempt Just Skyrim Things issues in advance.

[kingsglaive]

59 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Not sure it's technically feasible without overstepping SLTR's compatibility-focused don't-fuck-with-Vanilla design approach, but if it could be implemented well, this could be a neat little addition.  One potential issue to flag, however, is that sometimes sprinting through followers can be the only way to actually move through a congested corridor, so some safeguard might be necessary to preempt Just Skyrim Things issues in advance.

It's good. I find that my inspiration has dried up. I can't think of any good ideas now. I can only look at what others have provided. However, there has been almost a storm of suggestions in the past few months. I am starting to look forward to the next version update. No idea how rich it will be.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

One potential issue to flag, however, is that sometimes sprinting through followers can be the only way to actually move through a congested corridor....

This, plus the problems that mods like Horrible Harassment have with detecting collisions after players mod their games in ways that thwart collision detection.  I just don't want to add a quirky, unreliable feature.

 

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

it seems like SLTR essentially appeals to four broad—not strictly mutually exclusive—demographics (chime in if anyone thinks I've missed someone!)

There's another, related to category 2 but with heavy emphasis on cruelty with challenge being irrelevant or just an afterthought, where the point is to inflict as many horrible things on the PC as possible.  I see this in the comments sometimes.  That's not my intent, and I think the default "playful" attitude runs more counter to this.  I think that's all that I'll say.

 

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I haven't really been able to work out which demographic best describes you, though, and not for want of trying.

If the measure of neutral reporting is not being able to discern the reporter's opinion, then if people can't figure out where I fit, hopefully I'm serving people's various interests fairly evenly.  Although that does run up against this:

 

5 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

People who find genuine pleasure in submission per se—who you could say prefer the freedom from having to choose over the freedom to choose.  This group thus sincerely appreciate the strong hands that can relieve them from the burden of choice, but it's important to many such users to feel confident that they're in good hands.

I don't know how many players fully understand the first point, even though it is central to Strong Hand (and they're free to disregard it if they just want an enslavement mod).  The second point is where we differ.  The owner certainly might be generally benevolent (or not), but this person is not really all that nice or good.  This is someone who enjoys messing with you, while also serving as a protector from others who might be far less nice.  You're not supposed to like everything that the owner does to Lola, who is a slave and is often reminded of that.  That's why I keep coming back to roleplay or "mind cinema" for players to work out a relationship that Lola has to adjust to, one that is not completely fair or nice.

Edited December 13, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

On further reflection, I'd like to amend this suggestion.  I stand by the idea to add a visual pack for carrying Mistress's stuff, but this seems like a good place for another "fill in your own texture" option, like with the riding crop and the custom collar, rather than needing a soft dependency on a particular mod.  I really like this one!

There are technical considerations.  The mod you linked does use slot 47, which seems to be the "standard" for Skyrim backpacks, but there probably are conflicts with armor or accessories that use this slot.

 

Beyond that, I think some sort of backpack is already assumed by games like Skyrim and Fallout.  By default, you can carry several full sets of armor.  Where does all that go, in your pockets?  And you can run, jump, and swim with all that.  To my thinking, there's no way you're not already using a pack, sack, or other means of bundling a lot of items.  However, that doesn't look so nice with a lot of armor, and a backpack conflicts with quivers and with weapons or shields worn on the back.  So, the owner's stuff just goes into whatever means you're already using to carry a staggeringly large amount of items, so feel free to wear a pack if you think it's appropriate.  For what it's worth, SLTR's burdens are fairly light, just annoyances to remind you once again that you're a slave.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

21 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

There's another, related to category 2 but with heavy emphasis on cruelty with challenge being irrelevant or just an afterthought, where the point is to inflict as many horrible things on the PC as possible.  I see this in the comments sometimes.

I'm not sure how best to accommodate such users into the schema I laid out.  Wouldn't you suppose that some of them are in the third group?  Either in an entirely detached sense—I understand one way people get attracted to BDSM content is from a sort of knight in shining armour fantasy, where they imagine the sub as a damsel in distress—or as an outlet for fantasies around sadism.  I'd guess that many such users, however, fall into the fourth group, except with a strong additional kink for masochism and/or humiliation.  I'm not sure there's a coherent demographic to be described that would capture the breadth of interest in such content, but I'm certainly no expert in that mentality, so I'm definitely open to revising my mental model on this.

 

Another useful way to think about these issues is to ask whether Mistress and Lola are fundamentally on the same side.  Instead of the four demographics I laid out above, we could simply organise SLTR's userbase according to the answer to this one question.  Group two reliably view Mistress and Lola as being in conflict, and group four reliably view Mistress and Lola as being in collaboration, but the other two groups don't map well onto this model.  Being on the same side doesn't need to mean that every subordinate desire is reliably aligned, however; just that the overarching goals align.  And vice versa.  For example, users who view Mistress as an antagonist might nonetheless be happy to whore for Her to instrumentally advance their own finances toward the end of escaping slavery.  And users who sincerely want to become a good slave for Mistress might nonetheless grit their teeth at some of the things She requires them to do.  While there are many mods that can facilitate antagonistic slavery experiences, SLTR largely stands alone in being able to facilitate roleplaying slave and owner as ultimately on the same side.

 

21 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't know how many players fully understand the first point, even though it is central to Strong Hand (and they're free to disregard it if they just want an enslavement mod).  The second point is where we differ. 

This is good!  I think it points to a breakdown in our communication on this point.  Perhaps we can reach clearer understanding by addressing it.  To wit,

 

21 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

You're not supposed to like everything that the owner does to Lola, who is a slave and is often reminded of that. 

This is 100% consistent with what I meant with my very constrained sense of being in good hands.  (Or, if there's any conflict, it'd only be in that one might argue that a perfectly-trained submissive has no independent preferences of her own and thus no basis on which to like or dislike anything in the first place.)  My standard for being in good hands is much lower than you appear to imagine:  As long as Mistress isn't being abusive, anything else is Her prerogative.  And to be clear, punishing Lola when she deserves it isn't abuse.  Nor is expecting Lola to do things she doesn't want to do.  And it has next to nothing to do with the severity of punishments, either—or at least SLTR doesn't come close to crossing any lines there with the right MCM configuration.  An undeserved scolding is a problem; a deserved whipping is not. 

 

Most of the problematic language for me in older versions of SLTR a couple years ago, which ultimately gave rise to "Strict" mode, was about Mistress being psychologically abusive.  Either gaslighting Lola, or just straight up lying to her about Mistress's intentions.  For example, I don't consider the Motivation event to be abusive, but if—instead of the current dialogue—Mistress had framed it as a punishment and lied to concoct a reason for inflicting it, then I'd consider that abusive.  This is why I've never really felt like the "Strict" vs. "Playful" labels were an entirely accurate characterisation of the differences between the experience of playing the two owner attitudes.  It doesn't seem to me like Mistress's expectations are any more or less strict in one mode or the other.  Rather, it feels much more like the essence of "Strict" mode is that Mistress is sincere.  "Playful" mode can probably be roleplayed in two very different ways:  Some folks might be able to imagine that it is, in fact, all in good fun, and Lola is in on the game—that Mistress's insincere language is more a sort of kayfabe than abusive manipulation.  Others might view Mistress as being more genuinely psychologically abusive and manipulative and Lola as more of a victim.  In contrast, with so-called Strict mode, what Mistress expects from Lola is the same, but She's much more honest and direct about those expectations and Her reasons for them.  Which has been a wonderful improvement for users like me!

 

When we speak of "unfairness," I think there's a risk of equivocation.  Some people might speak of uncomfortably harsh punishments—earned or otherwise—as being unfair.  Some might speak of being required to do things for Mistress that Lola doesn't want to do as being unfair.  This sort of unfairness is the basis for the classic child's protestations.  But I don't think this entirely subjective conception of unfairness is particularly useful.  When I think about being treated unfairly by Mistress, the only sense that really matters to me is when I'm not given a reasonable opportunity to succeed—which, in SLTR, usually amounts to moving the goalposts.  I clearly fall very strongly into the on the same side camp laid out above, which is why I balk at this latter kind of unfairness.  When Mistress deliberately sets up conditions that make it impossible for Lola to succeed, it's really hard to see her as acting as anything other than an antagonist.  I'd argue that that sort of antagonism is incompatible with the offer of the Strong Hand.

If we stick with the example of Clean Sweep, another solution could be to simply modify the dialogue for Strict/Sincere/Honest mode.  Instead of implying that Mistress is lying about there being a mess to fabricate an insincere excuse to scold Lola and make her work more, She could be honest that She simply enjoys watching Lola sweep, and She isn't finished yet, so Lola needs to keep sweeping—mess or no mess—until She's satisfied.  I think that's a significantly less interesting solution, both narratively and in gameplay terms, than my earlier suggestions, but it is a solution.  The way the event currently works, I basically see two paths for roleplaying when more sweeping is demanded:  Either Mistress is knowingly lying to Lola about there still being a mess to fabricate an excuse to scold her, or Mistress has deliberately set Lola a task under parameters that make it impossible for Lola to succeed.  I still think reworking the event to make success possible would be the best solution—and a win–win with other gameplay benefits—but re-framing the event to not be understood in terms of success or failure in the first place, and having Mistress be sincere in explaining what's expected of Lola, would solve the most important roleplaying problem.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Antiope_Apollonia