Cant remove armor

[iggypop1]

Hi

I noticed that in the thieves guild i can remove armor from NPCs, Vex, with EFF but not Tonilla or Saphire i can have sex with them fine, but they redress  with an armor that is not showing in their Equipment inventory using EFF...is it my game or what? Years back i made her the guild whore(RadiantPros) walking around in the cistern naked.......so is this a bug?

 

If anybody knows anything about this....please say so

 

thanx

[Andy14]

NPCs use their standard outfit. Even if you take it away or remove it with console removeitem, at some point they will still use it.
Unless you manage the NPCs with AFT, EFF, etc.

 

But if you want to control it without a follower mod:
Create an ESP, set the clothes (ArmorAddon, Armor), make it into an outfit set and edit the actors -> default outfit -> choose your outfit.

[iggypop1]

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

NPCs use their standard outfit. Even if you take it away or remove it with console removeitem, at some point they will still use it.
Unless you manage the NPCs with AFT, EFF, etc.

 

But if you want to control it without a follower mod:
Create an ESP, set the clothes (ArmorAddon, Armor), make it into an outfit set and edit the actors -> default outfit -> choose your outfit.

Thanx for reply

Not true.....! I have Vex naked for several cell loads( and others with defaault armor/clothes) so its not that. When i force recruit an NPC with EFF and look into their equipment i can see what they are wearing but not Saphire  and Tonilla!? every other vanilla NPC in the game(not inconsequential NPCs) i can see what they are wearing and undress them if i like without them redressing after a cell load

Thats why im asking this in the first place.......?

[Andy14]

7 hours ago, iggypop1 said:

Hi

I noticed that in the thieves guild i can remove armor from NPCs, Vex, with EFF but not Tonilla or Saphire i can have sex with them fine, but they redress  with an armor that is not showing in their Equipment inventory using EFF...is it my game or what? Years back i made her the guild whore(RadiantPros) walking around in the cistern naked.......so is this a bug?

 

If anybody knows anything about this....please say so

 

thanx

Then the only question is: Which mod is installed when the standard rules for Tonilla and Saphire no longer apply.

[agiz19]

you can use console and it works forever.

 

1. bringup console  with  ~

2.click on npc

3.type showinventory  ,  pgup to scroll to see what the npc has

4.type removeitem x 1    -  x  is the id of  the armor(or whatever) the one  he/she is wearing also boots

5.then you can give any armor to an npc via dialogue and npc will wear it

 

5.1. if above  5. doesnt work  you can use  console  again - and showinventory again scroll to se id of  armor you  just gave npc and doesnt want to  wear then  type equipitem  x  1  (x is  id of armor you  just  gave   and want  npc to wear) but  usually this  is not  needed .

[Fotogen]

By default, if not modded, Toniila has armor that is not "Playable". It means, you, Player can't touch it. You don't even see it in inventory.

[iggypop1]

2 hours ago, Fotogen said:

By default, if not modded, Toniila has armor that is not "Playable". It means, you, Player can't touch it. You don't even see it in inventory.

The same for Saphire....but with console command in connection with EFF force recruit i managed to undress and redress them both and they are keeping their new outfits on cell and gameload  i  post some pictures later.... the trick can be to let them keep a piece of the nonPlayableArmor....gloves

 

19 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Then the only question is: Which mod is installed when the standard rules for Tonilla and Saphire no longer apply.

Look above

[Psalam]

23 minutes ago, iggypop1 said:

The same for Saphire....but with console command in connection with EFF force recruit i managed to undress and redress them both and they are keeping their new outfits on cell and gameload  i  post some pictures later.... the trick can be to let them keep a piece of the nonPlayableArmor....gloves

 

Look above

I know that you don't want to hear it but @Andy14 is right as usual. That fact is the reason that BOTH of my follower mods have no standard outfit for them to redress in (of course, that means that they're naked when you find them). The game uses its own logic to decide when an NPC needs armor and will consider putting their default armor back on if they feel that is the best armor for them. If you keep an NPC in a place where the game does not feel that they are threatened (or otherwise need to be clothed) it is true that you can keep them naked for a long time (or in "worse" armor than their standard gear). However, as I say, the game will put the armor back on according to its logic. So, Andy14's approach is the only one that will work consistently and for the long haul.

[donttouchmethere]

Try this one:

Dress Up Lover

 

You can clean the underlying armor with it and give them armor into their normal inventory.

You can also assign them a generic or custom armor.

It reapplies armor on cell change (most of the time, I think it struggles a bit with MM1 Cum Overlays).

 

Experimenting if that can be done with SUM also (after deleting the underlaying armor tho).

The main advantage of Dress Up Lover is that you can delete the underlying armor.

 

[iggypop1]

49 minutes ago, Psalam said:

I know that you don't want to hear it but @Andy14 is right as usual. That fact is the reason that BOTH of my follower mods have no standard outfit for them to redress in (of course, that means that they're naked when you find them). The game uses its own logic to decide when an NPC needs armor and will consider putting their default armor back on if they feel that is the best armor for them. If you keep an NPC in a place where the game does not feel that they are threatened (or otherwise need to be clothed) it is true that you can keep them naked for a long time (or in "worse" armor than their standard gear). However, as I say, the game will put the armor back on according to its logic. So, Andy14's approach is the only one that will work consistently and for the long haul.

 Ok i understand that........no danger no reason for the game to put the Default back on....ok Im an idiot with the tools so  doing what Andy14 suggest is not possible for me? but i can see its the right approach......hm...im using this Bijiin Saphire follower mariage able mod....editing that esp maybe Sapphire.esp

So in the meanwhile i just have to keep Saphire out of danger its the only character i have this problem with so....... Or if i really wanted her as follower....i could maybe use the mod donttouchmethere suggest

 

[Psalam]

You can't believe anything @donttouchmethere says - he's a friend of mine.

 

All kidding aside you can certainly follow him suggestion or you can take that esp open it up and make the changes that Andy14 suggested. The CK (Creation Kit) looks daunting and everybody (including me) likes to complain about it but, since what you want is relatively minor I suspect that you'd have no problem doing it.

[iggypop1]

7 minutes ago, Psalam said:

You can't believe anything @donttouchmethere says - he's a friend of mine.

 

All kidding aside you can certainly follow him suggestion or you can take that esp open it up and make the changes that Andy14 suggested. The CK (Creation Kit) looks daunting and everybody (including me) likes to complain about it but, since what you want is relatively minor I suspect that you'd have no problem doing it.

I have tried to work with it in TESEdit and ended up with no body..... Can i maybe  pursuade you to take a look on it?

[Psalam]

1 minute ago, iggypop1 said:

I have tried to work with it in TESEdit and ended up with no body..... Can i maybe  pursuade you to take a look on it?

Where is this originally from? I don't mind working with it but I have no desire to get into any issues with the moderators.

[donttouchmethere]

42 minutes ago, Psalam said:

You can't believe anything @donttouchmethere says - he's a friend of mine.

Yeah! Donttrustmethere was my first character on LL ?

 

(not sure tho what you mean exactly, DUL removes the original equipment without hassle. Just has to be done manually on every new game)

[iggypop1]

5 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Where is this originally from? I don't mind working with it but I have no desire to get into any issues with the moderators.

Its a Bijiin NPC addon standalone https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71054/?tab=files

 

You can do this in private......?

[Psalam]

9 minutes ago, iggypop1 said:

Its a Bijiin NPC addon standalone https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71054/?tab=files

 

You can do this in private......?

Yeah, I'd have to. I looked at the permissions and no changes are allowed without direct permission of the author. However, I can make changes for personal use. So please PM me and, when I get a minute, I'll pull up the esp in the CK. It looks like I'll need to download the entire mod to use it but I'll see if that's what the esp says. Right now I'm at work and can't do a thing so take your time.