aaf [AAF] "The Fucking Manual" ~ Adult oriented setup guide ~ 30/June/2026).

[izzyknows]

8 hours ago, dagobaking said:

I've seen no evidence that the boot loop corrupts any saves.

There have been a couple reports of corrupted saves on the aaf discord that got quickly removed. You might even find a few on here that ended up being caused by your malicious code. And you know exactly how it can corrupt them, you're not that dumb.

But for those that don't, anytime you load the game engine really hard, which the aff boot loop intentionally does, the engine will be unable to process the scripts which will end up corrupting your save.

 

It all boils down to YOU causing harm to the end user. Regardless of "why" it's just wrong to intentionally harm the end users.

Nobody else is doing that, you wrote the code, you included it... you are the only one in this whole fiasco that is trying to hurt the end user. You.

[dagobaking]

11 hours ago, Mahuhu said:

Wabbajacks are where things heading. AAF no longer useable for one-click modlists, too gated and too risky. Have seen almost a dozen new FO4 Wabbajack in last few months, amazing builds. Have always enjoyed dagobaking's AAF framework, shame this disagreement knee-capped FO4. A new version of NAF incoming, complete rewrite, able to create animations in-game. Import animation from common formats. Definitely a  lesson in collaborative success vs gated failure. Success builds on success, failure begets failure. 

 

NAF bros have been making these claims since it was released. And the pipe-dream has never come to fruition. Even supporters have regularly admitted over the years that they tried NAF for a while and went back to AAF.

 

The whole thing was obviously over-sold. A number of users injected their personal fantasies into "what it could or will be" and it has never really delivered anything close to that.

 

And, of course, your claim about collaboration is upside down. As Saya points out, NAF was the anti-collaborative move. Not AAF. I collaborated with a large number of major FO4 contributors. The door is and always has been open. In fact, almost every animation pack that exists involved me working directly with the authors to help them get set up. Myself and the team on the discord did that work with others in a friendly way for the benefit of the community. In contrast, NAF was born out of thievery and disrespect with most of the initial fan base being pedos we booted from our server, entitled cranks who wanted AAF hosted somewhere different and that guy from korea who was mad that the child-looking anime character mod was blocked by Egoballistics mods.

 

8 hours ago, izzyknows said:

There have been a couple reports of corrupted saves on the aaf discord that got quickly removed. You might even find a few on here that ended up being caused by your malicious code. And you know exactly how it can corrupt them, you're not that dumb.

But for those that don't, anytime you load the game engine really hard, which the aff boot loop intentionally does, the engine will be unable to process the scripts which will end up corrupting your save.

 

A) Someone reporting a corrupted save does not mean that AAF caused it. Again, show me evidence that your claim is true or stfu about it.

 

B) You're the dumb one here. Loading the game engine hard would only corrupt the game info IN ITS CURRENT STATE. In other words, the only save that would be corrupted would be one created DURING THE BOOTLOOP. Who the hell saves their game when its not working correctly? And do they over-write the working save from before the mods were installed?

 

Your claim is total garbage.

 

8 hours ago, izzyknows said:

It all boils down to YOU causing harm to the end user. Regardless of "why" it's just wrong to intentionally harm the end users.

Nobody else is doing that, you wrote the code, you included it... you are the only one in this whole fiasco that is trying to hurt the end user. You.

 

Wrong.

 

You are easily disproved here: AAF existed without any DRM at all for 6 years. I accepted all collaboration that I was approached with during that time. Not once did I turn someone away who was willing to pitch in and work on something together.

 

The DRM was only added after NAF stole my work. Therefore, logic 101, NAF was the protagonist here. Without NAF stealing my shit, AAF would still have no DRM. In fact, if NAF would simply follow US laws regarding IP, I would remove the DRM immediately.

 

You also mischaracterize what the DRM does. It does not "harm" anyone as you wish it did. You have not established that it has corrupted one save. The "harm" you speak of is actually just bringing attention to the bullshit your friends are involved with. Sorry, not sorry for that. You brought it upon yourselves.

[natoned]

I just returned to FO4 from a long hiatus, and had to reinstall as I have a new system.  Imagine my chagrin to discover someone felt the need to disrupt a very good community around AAF and years of work to provide tools for others and enjoyment for the gaming community.  The framework provided by AAF and others was a great space, and worked very well.  Now one has to navigate a sea of issues because someone came along and had to try one-upmanship in a free non-competitive arena, and took others' work to boot.

[Mahuhu]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:25 PM, dagobaking said:

 

NAF bros have been making these claims since it was released. And the pipe-dream has never come to fruition. Even supporters have regularly admitted over the years that they tried NAF for a while and went back to AAF.

 

The whole thing was obviously over-sold. A number of users injected their personal fantasies into "what it could or will be" and it has never really delivered anything close to that.

 

 

 

Sounds like a good time to open up AAF, post here on LL, (Wabbajack friendly). And remove malicious code...  move on. Correct, I've tried NAF, but usually just reboot a pre 1.XX vers of AAF. Basically waiting for this silliness to blow over. Thanks again for the great work. Looking forward to using latest version of AAF, sans hacks. 

[ferret33]

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt but may I suggest writing this guide as more like a "book" with chapters so newbs have some back info. I mean it takes days of studying this to get it working with no explanations at all, like it says "patches" but there's only one patch. It would be much easier to just write a paragraph saying that AAF needs a patch. Or it says male bodies and there's only one male body. It could just be a paragraph saying this is currently the best male body. Thanks for all your work, truly amazing.

[Will55]

Am I allowed to ask about an AAF problem that I have suddenly run to at level; 160+? It might be simple in the above eyes but it has me totally bewildered.

 

2 days ago animations via flirt or fudge suddenly stopped working. The only mod I had installed was Goremites (curiosity more than need) but its removal had no effect. When a flirt or fudge occurred and I pressed Home only the small square with delete and enter came up. instead of the usual body figures and edge slots. The NPC hovered for 20 seconds then went off as it knew more about the AAF failure than me. 

 

So I go back to the FUCKING manual page and religiously spend half a night and most of today correcting the drift (those mods who had sneaked in below the AAF primes) and updating a couple. I found that I had been running the UAP file well above the AAF ones while the disliked patch was in its AAF place. This had been core to 2 runs : one still going(hopefully) at lev 340 and the other 160 and WITH NO previous  problems in this area. I am about to see if I can rape an NPC( a real first) to see what comes up as I have the impression that SEU with or without the AAF SCRS-F mod is involved. I did change the SCRS file form SRCS-F to just SRCS before this occurred but returning to SRCS-F had no effect.

 

AS I expected  the rape attempt failed: its only effect  was to make Ivy Jealous. Any clues here? Pretty Please! 

 

Also after Ivy's "running a train" comment I DL'd but did not install "SC Staged Ungendered gangbang fix" by EgoBallistic but I have no idea what to do with it. Maybe I should ask Ivy. (I placed it after Savage Cabbage animations)

 

Update:

 

Okay, I wondered about my version of AAF as it never indicates its version: I had 3 DLs of it, So I installed all three marking each one. Since the NG fiasco I m very hesitant to use upgrades so naturally I use the newest one first like an idiot. It then tells me that I am missing the following mods: Screen archer, HomeMaker, Atomic Muscle, the A Body,  Kziid animation poses, F04 Leito voicefix, AES renovated furniture and FGS! Unlimited companions. This latter really p*ssed me off as I have used some 8 companion mods this run trying to find the best truly ideal (WRT number possible) companion mod and ALL screw up the Ivy dialogue. Liga is the best of a bad bunch but I am forced now to go back the Reg's RAM mod which allows 2 companions (Plus that stimpak black hole Dogmeat). So I will install only one or two of these mods. WhyTH are they a requirement? But I thought WTF! I will try and rape Miss Parker  and succeeded. I was a damn sight more surprised than her I can tell you. So I tried flirt as well and succeeded(Pissing off Ivy as usual). All I need to do now is test Fudge to be home and blown(literally).

 

Ohh and now it seems that my problem is cured, But knowing AAF and F04 I will wait and see. NAF had left an XML file in my data despite all being correctly removed, so now I know which side I am on there.

Edited May 24, 2025 by Will55

[Senkan]

I think I would be more sympathetic to Dago if AAF 1.1.1 didn't crash my game with LL_Fourplay conflicts and make me stop and start quests in the console. When you crash every 10 minutes with AAF and crash every 10 hours with NAF...what should a player do?

 

I don't know what is what between the creators. Did Snap have zero contact with Dago before NAF release? Does AAF have some kind of copyrights? Is there money involved because if not this whole thing is childish.

 

Living in America monopolies are not a good thing and competition usually brings the public better products.

Edited May 24, 2025 by Senkan

[Saya Scarlett]

7 hours ago, Will55 said:

Update:

 

Okay, I wondered about my version of AAF as it never indicates its version: I had 3 DLs of it, So I installed all three marking each one. Since the NG fiasco I m very hesitant to use upgrades so naturally I use the newest one first like an idiot. It then tells me that I am missing the following mods: Screen archer, HomeMaker, Atomic Muscle, the A Body,  Kziid animation poses, F04 Leito voicefix, AES renovated furniture and FGS! Unlimited companions.

 

Regarding the 'missing' mods, the only ones that AAF will ask for, or the only ones that will show in AAF's admin panel that pertain to AAF's requirements are only LooksMenu and Unlimited Companion Framework.

All the rest are being 'looked for' other mods. SAM, iirc, by one of ZeX's installer options for SAM compatibility. Homemaker probably Atomic Lust or Savage, or even BP.
Atomic Muscle/A-Body can be ignored. The rest, you'd have to go through your mods and what options you selected during installation, for what you have or don't have installed.

Edited May 25, 2025 by Saya Scarlett

[Saya Scarlett]

6 hours ago, Senkan said:

I think I would be more sympathetic to Dago if AAF 1.1.1 didn't crash my game with LL_Fourplay conflicts and make me stop and start quests in the console.

 

There shouldn't be any LLFP plugin conflicts to begin with, if that's what you mean.

AAF already ships with it. If another mod has it, remove it from said mod's files, or don't select options for it during other mod installations.

[Saya Scarlett]

12 hours ago, ferret33 said:

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt but may I suggest writing this guide as more like a "book" with chapters so newbs have some back info. I mean it takes days of studying this to get it working with no explanations at all, like it says "patches" but there's only one patch. It would be much easier to just write a paragraph saying that AAF needs a patch. Or it says male bodies and there's only one male body. It could just be a paragraph saying this is currently the best male body. Thanks for all your work, truly amazing.

 

Not about to rework this entire thing.

The reason for that is just lazy formatting correction. There were more than one patch listed before. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it says "Bodies" because it lists both male and female bodies. It doesn't say "Male bodies" anywhere. Just "Males" under the "Bodies" category, where both genders are listed.

And if something isn't listed, there's probably a reason. But this isn't a BOOK. It's an instruction manual/list. Notes are there in parenthesis where it's really needed.

Edited May 25, 2025 by Saya Scarlett

[Archon459]

On 2/26/2020 at 10:49 PM, Saya Scarlett said:

THIS GUIDE UNDERGOES CONSTANT CHANGES, SO MAKE SURE TO CHECK IT AGAIN ONCE IN A

(I truncated the text on purpose so this wouldn't look like a gigantic post)

 

YOU are a freaking hero to have come up with this guide. Well done!

[Senkan]

1 hour ago, Saya Scarlett said:

 

There shouldn't be any LLFP plugin conflicts to begin with, if that's what you mean.

AAF already ships with it. If another mod has it, remove it from said mod's files, or don't select options for it during other mod installations.

Conflicts is probably the wrong word. Crash log errors is what I'm talking about. FOEdit was clean. But AAF was the reason LLFP was on on my computer. According to Buffout 4 and CLASSIC AAF was the #1 reason for my crashes. I was getting 1 or 2 errors with other mods and 5-10 with AAF LLFP. I couldn't run the autonomy program I had with multiple scenes or I'd crash. Last night with NAF I had 15 couples at the same time with no issues. Maybe it was the autonomy program but I never got an error from it. I used your guide everytime I restarted. And it worked great for a time. Then started crashing. I've been playing FO4 non stop for the past 6 months and haven't gotten past level 50. I'm about to restart again with NAF. I stuck with AAF for a long time. But I have to move on.

 

I look at Dago and AAF like I look at Alexander Graham Bell. I look at NAF like I look at Tim Cook. It would have been better if everyone involved got together on a collaboration before this idiocy started. Maybe that can still happen but I doubt it with all the bad blood.

[steelkeeper0]

also is the guide updated?

 

[Will55]

8 hours ago, Saya Scarlett said:

 

Regarding the 'missing' mods, the only ones that AAF will ask for, or the only ones that will show in AAF's admin panel that pertain to AAF's requirements are only LooksMenu and Unlimited Companion Framework.

All the rest are being 'looked for' other mods. SAM, iirc, by one of ZeX's installer options for SAM compatibility. Homemaker probably Atomic Lust or Savage, or even BP.
Atomic Muscle/A-Body can be ignored. The rest, you'd have to go through your mods and what options you selected during installation, for what you have or don't have installed.

Thank you for the reply. Unfortunately, Unlimited Companions is more idealistic than functional. Sure, you have  a lot of companions but its very design, based upon purely vanilla Companions*yawns* truncates the dialogue lines of Prime Companions (Ivy mainly but also Heather to a degree as well as Kit while Darlene will always be a mess in any such mod> These lines in Ivy are so important in her story and in understanding who and what she is that UC has to be a NO! NO!,

 

Reginald the creator of Ivy offers RAM as a limited (2) companion mod and it really frustrates me so I switched to Liga(The best by far although cumbersome) and I am using it now. BUT it still it (despite its creator's mails to me) blocks speech lines(e.g., every time the SS finds a magazine Ivy comments but not with Liga. 

 

So, my question is: Why is UC necessary for AAF and will alternatives suffice?

[ferret33]

19 hours ago, Saya Scarlett said:

 

Not about to rework this entire thing .... But this isn't a BOOK. It's an instruction manual/list. Notes are there in parenthesis where it's really needed.

Ok I get you but seriously what are you guys all about? There's like hundreds of thousands of people including tens of thousands of newbs viewing and using your stuff still in 2025, because they just want to enjoy this stuff which happens to be at the bleeding edge of modding too. I hate to tell you you're pretty damn popular.

So someone, like myself comes here for the exact same reason. You know, google "loverslab" google "big tits Fallout 4". It links to your page.

I never played Fallout 4 or Skyrim until 2024 but not to brag or anything, I'm pretty sharp with computers and have credentials to back that up, so obviously I go diving into the details too. So are you guys a kind of elitist community more interested in giving shoutouts to each other for obscure stuff that obviously 99% of people have no clue what it is. In that case shouldn't you be like a programmers collective? On the other hand if you want respect from the general public, wouldn't you want to do things so they understand, even the smart ones and not burden them with shoutouts to people and obscure technical things that 99% will have no clue about, while not explaining the basics so even someone with top IQ has to spend 50 hours just to start scratching the surface?

 

I mean diving into the details, after spending like 30 hours with this already just trying to get my characters right, etc. I just realize this UAP patch is a massive thing with several ESPs that do various things. Except neither you nor the author explains it. You did not mention this patch is a huge deal. I thought it was just like some minor correction and initially didn't even install it. The author has a similar shoutouts page without mentioning the esps even but gives a completely parallel install guide to yours which seems to contradict yours too in places.

 

Just, whatever. Thanks. And btw, UAP doesn't work for any of the UAP animations for me so I have to remod the mod to remove them. Well if I really get into this I'll have to create a new login and then beg you guys for technical details so I can fix this. Why is it even called a "patch" when it's like a complete extension with many features? Why doesn't the UAP author communicate with the AAF to have them include the various extensions to AAF called a "patch". So confusing, so needlessly.

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2025 by ferret33

[steelkeeper0]

is there a skyrim version by this person

 

[UsernameTaken666]

27 minutes ago, steelkeeper0 said:

is there a skyrim version by this person

 

No, but there are guides available ofc.

[kziitd]

5 hours ago, ferret33 said:

Ok I get you but seriously what are you guys all about? There's like hundreds of thousands of people including tens of thousands of newbs viewing and using your stuff still in 2025, because they just want to enjoy this stuff which happens to be at the bleeding edge of modding too. I hate to tell you you're pretty damn popular.

So someone, like myself comes here for the exact same reason. You know, google "loverslab" google "big tits Fallout 4". It links to your page.

I never played Fallout 4 or Skyrim until 2024 but not to brag or anything, I'm pretty sharp with computers and have credentials to back that up, so obviously I go diving into the details too. So are you guys a kind of elitist community more interested in giving shoutouts to each other for obscure stuff that obviously 99% of people have no clue what it is. In that case shouldn't you be like a programmers collective? On the other hand if you want respect from the general public, wouldn't you want to do things so they understand, even the smart ones and not burden them with shoutouts to people and obscure technical things that 99% will have no clue about, while not explaining the basics so even someone with top IQ has to spend 50 hours just to start scratching the surface?

 

I mean diving into the details, after spending like 30 hours with this already just trying to get my characters right, etc. I just realize this UAP patch is a massive thing with several ESPs that do various things. Except neither you nor the author explains it. You did not mention this patch is a huge deal. I thought it was just like some minor correction and initially didn't even install it. The author has a similar shoutouts page without mentioning the esps even but gives a completely parallel install guide to yours which seems to contradict yours too in places.

 

Just, whatever. Thanks. And btw, UAP doesn't work for any of the UAP animations for me so I have to remod the mod to remove them. Well if I really get into this I'll have to create a new login and then beg you guys for technical details so I can fix this. Why is it even called a "patch" when it's like a complete extension with many features? Why doesn't the UAP author communicate with the AAF to have them include the various extensions to AAF called a "patch". So confusing, so needlessly.

 

 

 

The purpose of TFM is to provide a guide for users who do not want to spend a lot of time studying and learning the correct playback of FO4 adult animations. They only need to read carefully and follow the prompts/warnings/recommendations step by step to complete the mod list of Fo4 adult animation playback.
If you think it can't give you what you want, you can also explore/understand FO4 adult animations in depth by yourself.
AAF is an animation framework, not an adult animation framework. UAP is specially designed to improve the situation that the xml provided by adult animation authors in the past only has a single animation playback function. It provides more animation playback style xml, so UAP is a "patch" for old animations, not something that must be included with AAF.

[ferret33]

3 hours ago, kziitd said:

The purpose of TFM is to provide a guide for users who do not want to spend a lot of time studying and learning the correct playback of FO4 adult animations....

Yeah thanks, I've seen quite a few technical guides in my life. I don't recall a single one name calling or shoutouts to 70 different people, or constantly telling the reader, "read this you frigging idiot, because you're an idiot and you're not reading it". Of course because it's not text, it's just someone's outline and pretty much unreadable to humans. Seriously, like how many hours do you guys spend a day giving shoutouts to each other and glorifying each other. Pretty funny tho when the subject is porn modding PC games. Yes despite all the glory going around, it's not like half the stuff even works. Half of it is literally broken.

Edited May 26, 2025 by ferret33

[Will55]

I wondered why I had so many new problems after my fresh use of the AAF manual in my current run. Then it hit me (Do correct me if I am wrong): the guide is written for NG FO4 as it obviously is there to suck in  and help new AAF users...fair enough!  BUT IT totally disregards the 60-80% of AAF users who refuse to use NG in any form as it screws up necessary and loved mods. I now have royally f*cked up my game by using the manual and am praying that I have an old working copy of the pre-manual  profile.

I guess that it all serves me right for taking the first lines for granted(not checking the F4Se required) BUT It would help to make the NG fact obvious on the page.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2025 by Will55

[kziitd]

4 hours ago, ferret33 said:

Yeah thanks, I've seen quite a few technical guides in my life. I don't recall a single one name calling or shoutouts to 70 different people, or constantly telling the reader, "read this you frigging idiot, because you're an idiot and you're not reading it". Of course because it's not text, it's just someone's outline and pretty much unreadable to humans. Seriously, like how many hours do you guys spend a day giving shoutouts to each other and glorifying each other. Pretty funny tho when the subject is porn modding PC games. Yes despite all the glory going around, it's not like half the stuff even works. Half of it is literally broken.

Are you saying that a guide that is free and aims to help everyone join the FO4 adult game as quickly as possible is just something the author does to show off his or her elite status?
The guide has also received a lot of thanks from people who solved their problems faster after reading TFM.
So I don't really know what you are trying to say. It is not the first day here, and any user who successfully solved the problem/did not solve the problem through it has been there for a long time.
Let's put the facts from another angle. Saya has received a lot of thanks, which shows that TFM works, but Saya is not an angel.
There won't be a second "better" guide because there won't be a second saya who can devote a lot of time and energy to updating/maintaining the guide, and guess what, there won't be a second person who you not only don't thank but also feel should provide "better maid service".
So, quietly self-study, this is the best advice.

[Will55]

What is the latest version of AAF that is compatible with FO4 version 1.10.163.0 with F4SE 0.0.6.23?

I am now perfectly happy using  version 161.1 as 166.0Beta, 171.0Beta and 1-1-1 all caused problems.

I wonder why?

 

Edited May 26, 2025 by Will55

[Mahuhu]

9 hours ago, ferret33 said:

.... Half of it is literally broken.

 

Wabbajack: then [NoDelete] a collection of mods (NSFW), that you would like to use, add into your favorite build (alt Wabbajack build). "Life in the Ruins" is incredible, very stable, just coply/past [NoDelete] from other Wabbajack (NSFW stuff, AKA "Depravity") Way faster, cleaner solution for rebooting FO4 playthrough. Highly recommend LitR, where you can disable lots of mods that are not critical, such as strange music, benign menu backgrounds, simple mechanics (to free-up esp slots). You can strip out about 80 esp to gain more room, ultra-stable, never crash...

 

ps, run Mod Organizer's "[NoDelete] Indexer" plugin to keep things in order when copy/paste between wabbajacks. The Skyrim version has a fail-safe backup, to keep things from exploding, works with MO FO4. 

Edited May 26, 2025 by Mahuhu

[Archon459]

Can we please stop telling people to use Non-Lethal Armory? It hasn't been updated in ages, and is literally not working. You can make the guns, add the mods, and craft the ammo, but none of it is giving the desired effect. Even the patches for the stun grenades don't work.

 

Have people use this mod instead:

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/93537?tab=description

 

and use the M99 syringe for a reliable knockout effect as a sneak attack.

[Archon459]

16 hours ago, kziitd said:

Are you saying that a guide that is free and aims to help everyone join the FO4 adult game as quickly as possible is just something the author does to show off his or her elite status?
The guide has also received a lot of thanks from people who solved their problems faster after reading TFM.
So I don't really know what you are trying to say. It is not the first day here, and any user who successfully solved the problem/did not solve the problem through it has been there for a long time.
Let's put the facts from another angle. Saya has received a lot of thanks, which shows that TFM works, but Saya is not an angel.
There won't be a second "better" guide because there won't be a second saya who can devote a lot of time and energy to updating/maintaining the guide, and guess what, there won't be a second person who you not only don't thank but also feel should provide "better maid service".
So, quietly self-study, this is the best advice.

 

The dude you quoted is an ass. he's literally getting hundreds, thousands of hours' worth of work for unlimited enjoyment and complaining about it.

meanwhile here I am over here offering complaints, suggestions, advice, giving props, paying money to the site for providing an outstanding service.