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Hello LoversLab,

 

First of all, just want to say that English isn't my native language so there might be things I'll try to explain that just won't sound right and may be outright confusing, so if that happens please tell me and I'll rectify both on the post and in a reply.

Second, I'm a total noob at modding and yes, I've been using Vortex (a.k.a Nexus Mod Manager) before finally switching to ModOrganizer last night (February 22nd 2020) which means I don't know how to use it properly.

Third, when I usually stumble upon a bug I just uninstall the game and reinstall it back without really trying to find any proper solution.

 

So, here's the deal..

 

Part One: The Problem

 

Once upon a time in France there was a dude trying to install LoversLab mods along with a few other from the Nexus so that he could have a fun Skyrim experience (because honestly, Skyrim is bland contrary to TES IV).

Unfortunately, he has installed many mods and doesn't know how to solve a very big problem: everytime he launches the game, it goes just fine, but upon loading or creating a new game, it crashes to desktop.

Proper equivalent of the BSoD for Windows users, the CTD cannot be escaped at one point in our beloved Bethesda mass-modding adventure, but I'm better at solving BSoD's than CTD's.

 

 

Part Two: Technicalities

 

I play on a legal copy of Skyrim: Legendary Edition (v1.9.32) via Steam, which I'd preordered back in 2011 and eventually bought all extensions later in 2017-2018, and have the """High Resolution""" textures pack along with it. (I say """High Resolution""" because it's still sh*t even with those.)

 

The current copy I have is a copy from an external HDD, because of my low connection. I can't download it everytime I need it, so I made a copy that I put back in my "SteamLibrary\steamapps\common" folder and validate back on Steam in case it needs to be, so it is (was?) clean.

 

I downloaded the Skyrim Script Extender (SKSE) via Steam too, which should be build 1.7.3 and it has no issues loading.

 

My Steam and Vortex NMM folders are installed on my M.2 ("C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\" and "C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming Ltd\Vortex") while my Skyrim folder, LOOTTES5Edit and ModOrganizer are located on my SSD ("D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim", "D:\LOOT\", "D:\TES5Edit", "D:\ModOrganizer)

 

I installed all my vanilla mods via Vortex download from Nexus, and all my LoversLab mods via "MODS > Install From File" on Vortex NMM.

 

 

Part Three: Game Loading

 

Here is my load order, copy/pasted from my LOOT software:

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  Load Order | Mod Index | Mod Name

 

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
  7  7     SexLab.esm
  8  8     Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
  9  9     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 10  a     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
 11  b     SexLabAroused.esm
 12  c     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 13  d     ApachiiHair.esm
 14  e     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 15  f     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 16 10     HighResTexturePack01.esp
 17 11     HighResTexturePack02.esp
 18 12     HighResTexturePack03.esp
 19 13     UIExtensions.esp
 20 14     SexLabDefeat.esp
 21 15     mslDeviousCaptures.esp
 22 16     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 23 17     FNIS.esp
 24 18     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 25 19     XPMSE.esp
 26 1a     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 27 1b     FNISSexyMove.esp
 28 1c     Brows.esp
 29 1d     The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
 30 1e     SkyUI.esp
 31 1f     FNIS_PCEA2.esp
 32 20     Beards.esp
 33 21     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 34 22     ImmerSlave-DeviceCut.esp
 35 23     Devious Devices - Gags+.esp
 36 24     Masque of Clavicus Vile.esp
 37 25     PetCollar.esp
 38 26     GagSFX.esp
 39 27     GagSFXDawnguard.esp
 40 28     GagSFXDragonborn.esp
 41 29     SLAnimLoader.esp
 42 2a     GagSFXHearthfires.esp
 43 2b     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 44 2c     SexLab Submit.esp
 45 2d     sanguinesDebauchery.esp
 46 2e     xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
 47 2f     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 48 30     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 49 31     Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
 50 32     DeviouslyHelpless.esp
 51 33     dD Enchanted Chests.esp
 52 34     Immersive Weapons.esp
 53 35     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 54 36     SOS - Shop.esp
 55 37     KS Hairdo's.esp
 56 38     RaceMenu.esp
 57 39     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 58 3a     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
 59 3b     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
 60 3c     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
 61 3d     ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
 62 3e     ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
 63 3f     RaceMenuSKYAVX.esp
 64 40     Devious Devices - Equip.esp
 65 41     DeviousTraining.esp
 66 42     DeviousTrainingMartyr.esp
 67 43     Spank That Ass.esp
 68 44     Spank That Ass - Butter Balm.esp
 69 45     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 70 46     Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
 71 47     Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

 

Fores' New Idle Animations (FNIS) is loaded with the two first patches, that are "GENDER Specific Animations" and "SKELETON Arm Fix"

Here is my FNIS log:

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FNIS Behavior V7.6   23/02/2020 16:37:32
Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ (Steam)

 

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)   male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"  
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"  

 

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading DD V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... 
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... 
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... 
Reading Defeat V5 ... 
Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ... 
Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... 
Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.6 ... 
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.1 ... 
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V1.3 ... 
Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ... 
Reading SexLab V1.62 ... 
Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... 
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... 
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... 
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ... 

 

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
No GENDER directory female


Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 74 total groups: 245 added file slots: 2319 alternate files: 1681

 

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ...

 

 4426 animations for 16 mods successfully included (character)

 

 322 animations for 1 mods and 18 creatures successfully included.

 

 0 possible consistence issues

 

Also, all mods are cleaned via TES5Edit in "Quick Auto Clean" mode via the tutorial seen in the LOOT boot-up with "TES5QuickAutoClean.exe" for each mods I download.

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And there is the DUMP file found in my "Documents\My Games\skyrim\SKSE\Crashdumps"

2020-02-23_15.44.37.dmp

 

Before each launch, I do a LOOT sort + a FNIS check-up, even if I didn't install anything. Just in case.

 

 

Part FourStartup

 

When I start the game, the main menu appears without any issues, and when I load an old save or start a new game, it goes to the loading screen, with the empty experience bar top right saying "Level 1", and shortly after it crashes.

 

 

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I don't really know what to do - what to enable, disable? What to uninstall, install or reinstall? What to add, delete or modify? My load order is much, much smaller than some who load countless mods, but I still don't know (with 60+ mods) what to do in my case.

 

I'd be immensely grateful if anyone could help.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mengsk

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16 minutes ago, Mengsk said:

My Steam and Vortex NMM folders are installed on my M.2 ("C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\

Not good.  Anywhere but there.

17 minutes ago, Mengsk said:

Unfortunately, he has installed many mods

Bad practice.  Makes fixing things really difficult.  Install 10 at a time, then run for a while and see how it works.  If there are problems, you know where to look (mostly).

19 minutes ago, Mengsk said:

Also, all mods are cleaned via TES5Edit

Not all mods should be cleaned this way.  LOOT tells you which ones need it and more importantly, which ones don't.  Pay attention to any errors/warnings given by LOOT.

20 minutes ago, Mengsk said:

I don't really know what to do - what to enable, disable? What to uninstall, install or reinstall? What to add, delete or modify?

The usual CTD resolution is to remove a batch of mods (starting from the end of the load order), see if the problem persists, then repeat until the game loads normally.  From there, add some until you find what is causing it.  At that point you can google the crash in relation to that mod and see what might be causing it.

 

If you are starting over with MO, then you should follow a guide (the STEP guide is my preference, but there are others) to make sure everything is set up correctly and working.  From there, look at MadManGun's Sexlab install guide.

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35 minutes ago, Mengsk said:

Hello LoversLab,

 

First of all, just want to say that English isn't my native language so there might be things I'll try to explain that just won't sound right and may be outright confusing, so if that happens please tell me and I'll rectify both on the post and in a reply.

Second, I'm a total noob at modding and yes, I've been using Vortex (a.k.a Nexus Mod Manager) before finally switching to ModOrganizer last night (February 22nd 2020) which

 

Thanks in advance,

Mengsk

 

Seijin8 pretty much covered everything I would have said and a bit more, can I just say thank you for providing so much detail.

 

I would, personally, normally add/remove mods one at a time, depending on what they are but I don't see any harm in removing a batch of mods as suggested. I would give up on your saved games for now. Test with starting new ones.

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All of the above plus:

Choose either Vortex or MO and remove the other one.

Learn how to create and configure a stable base game before loading it down with mods. I too recommend S.T.E.P.

https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.10.0

 

Make sure you have the stability tools installed and configured correctly.

Crash fixes
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/

 

SKSE Plugin Preloader
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/?

 

ENBoost (not needed if already using an ENB)
https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

 

Bethini
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69787

 

Load Game CTD Fix
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443/

 

And please, spare us your life story. "The facts ma'am, just the facts". ?

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11 hours ago, Mengsk said:

16 10     HighResTexturePack01.esp
 17 11     HighResTexturePack02.esp
 18 12     HighResTexturePack03.esp

those are kind of counter productive, they just eat up system resources and don't give you any real improvements.

 

also your load order seems a bit off to me, Eg: you have "RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp" and "SOSRaceMenu.esp" loading before "RaceMenu.esp", i'm sure that should be the other way around.

 

11 hours ago, Mengsk said:

69 45     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 70 46     Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp

many people have problems with that mod, so it's possible that you may be one of them (but i suspect your load order is the bigger problem at this time)

 

anyways here is a link to a page full of links that have various tips on things

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/6768-patchwork-how-do-i-fix-this-and-that-a-link-collection/

 

 

 

2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

A user that adds the most important information like LO, used Modmanager and FNIS output right away and you're still not happy? ?

i want to start a petition to have his name changed to "Bitch Cloud"

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Hello guys, thank you so much for the support.

So, I'll first try by fixing a few things like the Alternate Start removal or the RaceMenu load order issue.

I'll also remove Vortex because it doesn't have some functionalities I've discovered in ModOrganizer, and if nothing works I'll delete my current Skyrim build and make a new one following GreyCloud's STEP link plus following all you guys' tips.

 

19 hours ago, Seijin8 said:

Not all mods should be cleaned this way.  LOOT tells you which ones need it and more importantly, which ones don't.  Pay attention to any errors/warnings given by LOOT

I cleared only those who needed it, as advised by LOOT. Those who were already marked 'clean' aren't touched.

 

See you in a bit!

 

 

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