The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[pkpkpk]

Hi, quick question:  

I finished TAPQFirstJob a while ago, and since then, "Talk to Sassa for temple duties" (paraphrase) has been sitting in my Misc tab, but she never actually gives me anything new to do.  
Is this working as intended and the content just doesn't exist yet, or am I missing something?  
Thanks.

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, pkpkpk said:

Hi, quick question:  

I finished TAPQFirstJob a while ago, and since then, "Talk to Sassa for temple duties" (paraphrase) has been sitting in my Misc tab, but she never actually gives me anything new to do.  
Is this working as intended and the content just doesn't exist yet, or am I missing something?  
Thanks.

 

There's only the one job right now. Sorry for the confusion.

[tawnyasphodel]

I feel dumb now. I was having a terrible time getting the scenes to play properly; turns out I forgot to enable Fuz Ro D'oh. Sharing in case anyone else has the same issue. 

[ruddycray]

50 minutes ago, tawnyasphodel said:

I feel dumb now. I was having a terrible time getting the scenes to play properly; turns out I forgot to enable Fuz Ro D'oh. Sharing in case anyone else has the same issue. 

 

Ah, yes. That will definitely do it. Scenes misbehave badly when there's no dialogue audio. Glad you figured things out!

[hanckn]

On 8/30/2023 at 2:49 AM, Drachior said:

â small update on the white-screen front at dibella's temple. setting the value to 200 outside the temple provided a brief flash and the rest worked like a charm. However, for some reason it reset the status of sassa's quest and i had to do it again. So far, everything seems to be progressing just fine.

Hey @Drachior I assume you set the quest stage to 200, correct?! Which quest was it? Because atm I don't have any from TAP. 

[Drachior]

@hanckn

 

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The name of the quest that runs the scene is TAPQFjotraGoAway. 

 while searching for workarounds on the net, i saw similiar whitescreen issues on a number of other mods. i don't know how you can fix those , but for the whitescreen entering dibella's temple, it worked for me.

[D3vilizeR]

Hi!
First, I want to say that this is one of the best, most immersive modes on Loverslab. I really like the missions and how much attention you paid to the details!
However, I would like to share a few criticisms with you if you don't mind.
 

I've been testing the mode for more than 1 month, during this time I've had the following errors(?), shortcomings(?) (I'm playing with the latest version):
- Benjen never approaches my character, but he charges money for the time together that didn't happen. I went to the brothel in Riften many times, but he never initiated a dialogue, then I changed the frequency of the quest, but nothing changed. I don't know if this is just me, but I'm sorry it doesn't work.
- Brothel customers contact me very rarely. I know it's random, but I tested it once: no one came to me for hours. I don't like being bullied all the time either, but I think that's the other extreme. In the meantime, the girls around me were taken away five times, many times by teleporting the clients who were standing next to me to the bed from the other end of the room. In almost all sex modes I have to initiate, I'm glad it's shared here, but the ratios are not very good (I don't know if this can be changed).
- During the "Art Of Female Love" mission, characters sink a few inches into the ground where the act takes place.
- When the father approaches me to have sex with his son, they don't leave the brothel after the mission, they often just stand still.
- The Riften brothel is very cozy, but also very crowded. I use the "TAP Interiors" mode, maybe because of this, but on the stairs leading to the upper floor, the characters often get stuck for long minutes and get crowded (other brothels don't have this problem).
- A suggestion at the end: someone has already raised it, but I also think it should count that I am the Dragonborn. One more reason for them to visit me more than once.

I know these are small things, the main quests all worked flawlessly and I want to praise your work and the time you put into it once again!
 

Edited September 12, 2023 by D3vilizeR

[ruddycray]

8 hours ago, D3vilizeR said:

Hi!
First, I want to say that this is one of the best, most immersive modes on Loverslab. I really like the missions and how much attention you paid to the details!
However, I would like to share a few criticisms with you if you don't mind.

 

Thank you, it's always nice to hear that someone is enjoying the mod. And no I don't mind constructive criticism.

 

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I've been testing the mode for more than 1 month, during this time I've had the following errors(?), shortcomings(?) (I'm playing with the latest version):
- Benjen never approaches my character, but he charges money for the time together that didn't happen. I went to the brothel in Riften many times, but he never initiated a dialogue, then I changed the frequency of the quest, but nothing changed. I don't know if this is just me, but I'm sorry it doesn't work.

 

I'll have to test it out again for myself. It has definitely worked for me in the past, but I also touched it in 0.14, because he would approach you and demand sex even when you didn't work for him. It's possible something broke when fixing that. My notes do say that I didn't have any regressions (meaning I thought the stuff that was supposed to work still did), but I didn't write down exactly what I thought still worked correctly or exactly how I tested that out, so I'll have to look at it again.

 

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- Brothel customers contact me very rarely. I know it's random, but I tested it once: no one came to me for hours. I don't like being bullied all the time either, but I think that's the other extreme. In the meantime, the girls around me were taken away five times, many times by teleporting the clients who were standing next to me to the bed from the other end of the room. In almost all sex modes I have to initiate, I'm glad it's shared here, but the ratios are not very good (I don't know if this can be changed).

 

It is much more likely that they will select one of the other girls than you. The chances are roughly equal for all of the girls, but there are just more of them than you. That's a little intentional, because as I've probably said before I don't really like approaches all that much, but I can add it to my list to look into ways to make it more configurable.

 

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- During the "Art Of Female Love" mission, characters sink a few inches into the ground where the act takes place.
- When the father approaches me to have sex with his son, they don't leave the brothel after the mission, they often just stand still.

 

These are known issues. I made sure for the husband and wife scenario that they didn't do the same thing of hanging around afterwards. I just haven't gotten around to fixing it for the father/son scenario. I have added both of these to my list to make sure I remember to fix them.

 

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- The Riften brothel is very cozy, but also very crowded. I use the "TAP Interiors" mode, maybe because of this, but on the stairs leading to the upper floor, the characters often get stuck for long minutes and get crowded (other brothels don't have this problem).

 

I'll keep an eye out for it.

 

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- A suggestion at the end: someone has already raised it, but I also think it should count that I am the Dragonborn. One more reason for them to visit me more than once.

 

I'll give it some thought, but I'm not going to promise anything on that right now. I'm not entirely opposed to it, but I think it's harder to balance that than it sounds without it becoming a little annoying or veering off course for what I want out of this mod.

Edited September 13, 2023 by ruddycray

[D3vilizeR]

6 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

Thank you, it's always nice to hear that someone is enjoying the mod. And no I don't mind constructive criticism.

 

 

I'll have to test it out again for myself. It has definitely worked for me in the past, but I also touched it in 0.14, because he would approach you and demand sex even when you didn't work for him. It's possible something broke when fixing that. My notes do say that I didn't have any regressions (meaning I thought the stuff that was supposed to work still did), but I didn't write down exactly what I thought still worked correctly or exactly how I tested that out, so I'll have to look at it again.

 

 

It is much more likely that they will select one of the other girls than you. The chances are roughly equal for all of the girls, but there are just more of them than you. That's a little intentional, because as I've probably said before I don't really like approaches all that much, but I can add it to my list to look into ways to make it more configurable.

 

 

These are known issues. I made sure for the husband and wife scenario that they didn't do the same thing of hanging around afterwards. I just haven't gotten around to fixing it for the father/son scenario. I have added both of these to my list to make sure I remember to fix them.

 

 

I'll keep an eye out for it.

 

 

I'll give it some thought, but I'm not going to promise anything on that right now. I'm not entirely opposed to it, but I think it's harder to balance that than it sounds without it becoming a little annoying or veering off course for what I want out of this mod.

Thanks for the quick response.
I know that there can be a lot of problems with the approach, but I like it because it is much more immersive than when I initiate it myself.
I hope you will be able to fix the mistakes as soon as you have time, thanks again for your work!

[gender65]

Can you tell me how to make this mod play for a male character? Dialogues do not need to be rewritten, only to make unisex.

[ruddycray]

7 hours ago, gender65 said:

Can you tell me how to make this mod play for a male character? Dialogues do not need to be rewritten, only to make unisex.

Some of the dialogue and quest conditions require the player character to be female. Those would have to be changed or removed. I don't know all of what would have to be changed without looking.

 

It isn't something that can be done without the Creation Kit and editing the mod.

[killer905]

I came up with an idea for such a mini task, but I think it will also fit into Mod.

 

After joining one of the brothels, Madam orders us to prepare a book with a list of girls that can be found in a specific brothel. Why would a PC do this, you ask? The answer is to get to know the girls themselves by name and what they specialize in: oral/vaginal/group etc.

This could be as one quest that can be started in any brothel.

 

Example:

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In the case of a player, you can not add to this book or not provide a picture and instead write something like "she wants to remain impassive or is shy"

 

 

In such a case, you can think of a unique looking book to go along with it. If you want, I can send you an example of a book that I think would fit thematically. Of course, in PM.

[ruddycray]

4 hours ago, killer905 said:

I came up with an idea for such a mini task, but I think it will also fit into Mod.

 

After joining one of the brothels, Madam orders us to prepare a book with a list of girls that can be found in a specific brothel. Why would a PC do this, you ask? The answer is to get to know the girls themselves by name and what they specialize in: oral/vaginal/group etc.

This could be as one quest that can be started in any brothel.

 

Example:

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In the case of a player, you can not add to this book or not provide a picture and instead write something like "she wants to remain impassive or is shy"

 

 

In such a case, you can think of a unique looking book to go along with it. If you want, I can send you an example of a book that I think would fit thematically. Of course, in PM.

 

Could be an interesting idea but if you mean as something small to implement I think that would actually be fairly time consuming to create because of all the writing required. Sort of like how I'd really like to add the touches that TAP Interiors does with notes and things scattered around but if I stopped to do that I probably would get very few quests done.

[killer905]

26 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

Could be an interesting idea but if you mean as something small to implement I think that would actually be fairly time consuming to create because of all the writing required. Sort of like how I'd really like to add the touches that TAP Interiors does with notes and things scattered around but if I stopped to do that I probably would get very few quests done.

I admit that I don't know what TAP Interiors adds, but I think you just encouraged me to check it out

 

This can be spread over several updates like with the Order of the Lily.

You can also remove "Short story" and replace it with something else, e.g. age, where it comes from, etc. as a result, there won't be as much writing about Short Story for a specific NPC. Or add it, but without the Short Sotry, but add it in another update "Short story".

 

But overall, I see you liked the idea.

 

PS: In my opinion, it's something small, but after what you wrote, it's not that small because I forgot about the aspect of coming up with, for example, the story of the NPC itself.

[ruddycray]

22 hours ago, killer905 said:

I admit that I don't know what TAP Interiors adds, but I think you just encouraged me to check it out

 

This can be spread over several updates like with the Order of the Lily.

You can also remove "Short story" and replace it with something else, e.g. age, where it comes from, etc. as a result, there won't be as much writing about Short Story for a specific NPC. Or add it, but without the Short Sotry, but add it in another update "Short story".

 

But overall, I see you liked the idea.

 

PS: In my opinion, it's something small, but after what you wrote, it's not that small because I forgot about the aspect of coming up with, for example, the story of the NPC itself.

 

Yeah, it's the coming up with stories that I meant when I said the writing required. It's not that I couldn't write something quickly, but it would be difficult to come up with interesting and unique stories quickly.

 

I like the idea of getting to know the other girls better, and I'm not likely to make a unique quest for every one of them. I don't know if that would take the form of a "profile" like a stat sheet exactly.

 

TAP Interiors is well worth a look. The design of the interiors is much better than mine. It also adds some touches like letters. Even though not all of them are things I would have written, I still like the lived-in feeling they give the brothels.

[killer905]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:57 AM, ruddycray said:

I like the idea of getting to know the other girls better, and I'm not likely to make a unique quest for every one of them. I don't know if that would take the form of a "profile" like a stat sheet exactly.

Hmm, separate task? It depends on what you mean with these tasks. And probably a simple way would be to give statistics, as you wrote here.

 

On 9/18/2023 at 4:57 AM, ruddycray said:

 

 

TAP Interiors is well worth a look. The design of the interiors is much better than mine. It also adds some touches like letters. Even though not all of them are things I would have written, I still like the lived-in feeling they give the brothels.

I was checking out TAO Interiors a few minutes ago. Lokks very nice and cozy. And I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to combine these two mods together?

 

I did it for another Mod, but I think it would fit quite well here.

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by killer905

[hanckn]

I really like this mod, it adds new ideas of playing skyrim. I was really tired from just the same. I added a similar mod to FO4 and there I liked it very much, but here it feels more realistic - talking to innkeepers or to people on the streets and so on.

I also love the playing the Lusty Argonian Maid in Dibella garden. Great idea!

 

Unfortunately I haven't found a solution for my issue, but I'm playing the rest...

 

Just one question - I don't know how hard that is - could you add the feature to disable the mod in MCM, so that I could play The Book of Sex and A night like this. 

[ruddycray]

16 hours ago, hanckn said:

I really like this mod, it adds new ideas of playing skyrim. I was really tired from just the same. I added a similar mod to FO4 and there I liked it very much, but here it feels more realistic - talking to innkeepers or to people on the streets and so on.

I also love the playing the Lusty Argonian Maid in Dibella garden. Great idea!

 

Unfortunately I haven't found a solution for my issue, but I'm playing the rest...

 

Just one question - I don't know how hard that is - could you add the feature to disable the mod in MCM, so that I could play The Book of Sex and A night like this. 

 

I'm glad you're enjoying it. To your question, I don't think I understand exactly what it is you're asking for.

[hanckn]

46 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

I'm glad you're enjoying it. To your question, I don't think I understand exactly what it is you're asking for.

 

I'd like to have the possibility to disable the mod in MCM, so that I don't lose any progress if I want to use Dibella Temple (because I have the bug that the Temple is full white).

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, hanckn said:

 

I'd like to have the possibility to disable the mod in MCM, so that I don't lose any progress if I want to use Dibella Temple (because I have the bug that the Temple is full white).

 

"Disable the mod" is a vague request. If you mean preventing the mod from starting quests automatically then that would be possible in theory, but I could also foresee it being its own support issue where someone forgets to unset the option. I could also see myself forgetting to put the options in for a new quest.

 

It would be better for me to be able to reproduce your problem and figure out what's causing it, rather than putting in hacky workarounds.

 

Also there already is an option to disable temple of Dibella quests.

Edited September 20, 2023 by ruddycray

[danna233]

Do I understand correctly that it is safe to install for Sisterhood Of Dibella users?

[ruddycray]

24 minutes ago, danna233 said:

Do I understand correctly that it is safe to install for Sisterhood Of Dibella users?

 

It should be. What should happen is that a message should pop up telling you that the Dibella quests in The Ancient Profession have been disabled because Sisterhood of Dibella is not compatible with them.

That just means you won't be able to play the Dibella quests from this mod, but everything else should work normally.

 

What you cannot do is start playing the DIbella quests in this mod and then install Sisterhood of Dibella, because there will come a point in the quest line that will break Sisterhood of Dibella. But if you install this mod on a game that's already running Sisterhood or you install them together it should be fine.

 

I'm saying "should" a lot, but that's because I tested enough to make sure the quests didn't start when Sisterhood was installed, but naturally since I'm developing an incompatible mod I don't play with that one installed very much.

Edited September 23, 2023 by ruddycray

[danna233]

39 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

It should be. What should happen is that a message should pop up telling you that the Dibella quests in The Ancient Profession have been disabled because Sisterhood of Dibella is not compatible with them.

 

Thanks for the quick response. I really want to get acquainted with your mod, but at the same time I don’t want to give up the Sisterhood of Dibella. I still can’t complete it, since it stretches out for almost the entire game, and due to the constant implementation of various mods, I have already broken my saves many times, as a result, I can’t even get to the Greybeards. I hope everything will be ok this time)

[rongeurdos]

6 hours ago, danna233 said:

Thanks for the quick response. I really want to get acquainted with your mod, but at the same time I don’t want to give up the Sisterhood of Dibella. I still can’t complete it, since it stretches out for almost the entire game, and due to the constant implementation of various mods, I have already broken my saves many times, as a result, I can’t even get to the Greybeards. I hope everything will be ok this time)

I confirm what ruddycray says: TAP find SoD and deactivates its own Temple quest to not interfere. You can play both together without issue.

[hanckn]

11 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

It should be. What should happen is that a message should pop up telling you that the Dibella quests in The Ancient Profession have been disabled because Sisterhood of Dibella is not compatible with them.

That just means you won't be able to play the Dibella quests from this mod, but everything else should work normally.

 

What you cannot do is start playing the DIbella quests in this mod and then install Sisterhood of Dibella, because there will come a point in the quest line that will break Sisterhood of Dibella. But if you install this mod on a game that's already running Sisterhood or you install them together it should be fine.

 

I'm saying "should" a lot, but that's because I tested enough to make sure the quests didn't start when Sisterhood was installed, but naturally since I'm developing an incompatible mod I don't play with that one installed very much.

 

Yes, I also would like to find the reason for this behavior. But unfortunately I didn't find any solution. Do you know a way to find it? Logs, things to try? I really would like it, because - as I said before - I enjoy playing the mod/quests.

 

I am unable to disable the Temple quests as the setting is disabled, maybe because I already started them.