The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[rodrigo2]

I've used TDF Prostitution in the past but was curious as to how this compares.  Does this add prostitute NPCs not under the control of the PC?  I like the idea of prostitution as something that occurs in Skyrim regardless of what the PC is doing.  I also like the idea that my PC can turn to prostitution is she's broke.

[Sheliya]

The mod is about being a prostitude, not a pimp.

It imho delivers on its promise to add prostitution as a believable profession that "feels just normal", including a lot of colleagues. But without filling the streets with hundreds of whores and having people fuck all over the place.

In fact Tap by default punishes sex in public (with a small fee) and keeps it mostly contained where it belongs: in Inn rooms and brothels, the later now available just outside the gates of every major city. 

Other prostitudes offer different interactions and some even some minor character background.

So you may see a prostitude in an Inn, certainly several in the brothels, but its not one massive continious humping party (outside of the brothel events  )

 

But yes if you look for it you can see and hear "it happening". And street-working is an option, just you may still want to find a silent corner... (Player only in this case)

 

As far as money is concerned its rather tame compared to others, my comparison would be radiant. Just a fraction of this. It can still help especially in the beginning though. But: Its a profession choice not just an occasional side option. Once you start this profession you may find yourself being expected to bring in your worth...

 

For my problem above:

I took the hit and went hours back to a save where i didnt give him the money yet. I only have the requirements installed and cant seem to find any FMMM something, threesome and foursome are generally there though.

I mean you already have that kind of content when you start with Ben, if i wouldnt have it i wouldnt be at this point now no?

Edited June 26, 2023 by Sheliya

[hanckn]

On 6/23/2023 at 6:34 AM, ruddycray said:

 

Try to use it when the woman is standing around by herself. If you use it during the ghost sex scene it will fail.

Thanks, that helped. I thought I have to use the scroll before the sex scene. 

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, Sheliya said:

The mod is about being a prostitude, not a pimp.

It imho delivers on its promise to add prostitution as a believable profession that "feels just normal", including a lot of colleagues. But without filling the streets with hundreds of whores and having people fuck all over the place.

In fact Tap by default punishes sex in public (with a small fee) and keeps it mostly contained where it belongs: in Inn rooms and brothels, the later now available just outside the gates of every major city. 

Other prostitudes offer different interactions and some even some minor character background.

So you may see a prostitude in an Inn, certainly several in the brothels, but its not one massive continious humping party (outside of the brothel events  )

 

But yes if you look for it you can see and hear "it happening". And street-working is an option, just you may still want to find a silent corner... (Player only in this case)

 

As far as money is concerned its rather tame compared to others, my comparison would be radiant. Just a fraction of this. It can still help especially in the beginning though. But: Its a profession choice not just an occasional side option. Once you start this profession you may find yourself being expected to bring in your worth...

 

For my problem above:

I took the hit and went hours back to a save where i didnt give him the money yet. I only have the requirements installed and cant seem to find any FMMM something, threesome and foursome are generally there though.

I mean you already have that kind of content when you start with Ben, if i wouldnt have it i wouldnt be at this point now no?

 

I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Normally, there should be something in the Papyrus logs, if you've got them enabled, saying why the scenes couldn't start. That's something that's done by SexLab and not by TAP, so the only way I can think of for there to be no log at all would be for TAP not to even be trying to start the animation.

 

I don't actually see how that could happen. I don't want to get too much into the technical details, but I do see what I think is a possibility that if you don't have any threesome animations or foursome animations with one female and two or three males, the quest won't pick any animations to run at all.

 

In most situations, the mod will check to see if you have group animations and will just fall back to pair animations if it can't find them. The script for this quest looks like it might not be doing that. If you have seen threesome or foursome animations while you've been playing, then it probably isn't that.

 

I will see if I can make your problem happen in the way I think it could be happening, but if you've gone back to an earlier save then hopefully you won't run into it again.

[ruddycray]

7 hours ago, rodrigo2 said:

I've used TDF Prostitution in the past but was curious as to how this compares.  Does this add prostitute NPCs not under the control of the PC?  I like the idea of prostitution as something that occurs in Skyrim regardless of what the PC is doing.  I also like the idea that my PC can turn to prostitution is she's broke.

 

Sheliya covered most everything on this. TAP does have prostitutes other than the player. It does not have any way for you to be the one who controls them. They are more like your coworkers.

 

I would make one small addition. It is correct to say that TAP is meant for role-playing as a prostitute or a character who must look to prostitution, rather than mercenary work, to get by. It is meant to be your job, but it is also possible to be a more casual prostitute with TAP, except in Riften. There, prostitution is run by the Black-Briars, and they are not nice people. Everywhere else, you can just get a license and then solicit people in the inns or even on the streets if you want.

Edited June 26, 2023 by ruddycray

[shiagwen]

the atmosphere in your brothels is unique. They are no inns, there are brothels and noothing but that. There are  7-8 whores serving the guests, the pc will be just one more of them. she has to look for a free bed and do her job there like all the other girls. PC is not the unique whore everybody is fixed on.

i hope you will find the motivation to make the markath brothel to keep it round.

Why did you copy the citries inns and placed them outside the city ? why didnt you took the originals ? it is just some more beds with the girls and the guests. compared to populated city mods that is easy load.

[ruddycray]

2 hours ago, shiagwen said:

the atmosphere in your brothels is unique. They are no inns, there are brothels and noothing but that. There are  7-8 whores serving the guests, the pc will be just one more of them. she has to look for a free bed and do her job there like all the other girls. PC is not the unique whore everybody is fixed on.

i hope you will find the motivation to make the markath brothel to keep it round.

Why did you copy the citries inns and placed them outside the city ? why didnt you took the originals ? it is just some more beds with the girls and the guests. compared to populated city mods that is easy load.

 

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. There are usually more beds in the brothels, yes. For the most part, I'm trying not to make major modifications to vanilla things.

[rodrigo2]

11 hours ago, Sheliya said:

The mod is about being a prostitude, not a pimp.

It imho delivers on its promise to add prostitution as a believable profession that "feels just normal", including a lot of colleagues. But without filling the streets with hundreds of whores and having people fuck all over the place.

In fact Tap by default punishes sex in public (with a small fee) and keeps it mostly contained where it belongs: in Inn rooms and brothels, the later now available just outside the gates of every major city. 

Other prostitudes offer different interactions and some even some minor character background.

So you may see a prostitude in an Inn, certainly several in the brothels, but its not one massive continious humping party (outside of the brothel events  )

 

But yes if you look for it you can see and hear "it happening". And street-working is an option, just you may still want to find a silent corner... (Player only in this case)

 

As far as money is concerned its rather tame compared to others, my comparison would be radiant. Just a fraction of this. It can still help especially in the beginning though. But: Its a profession choice not just an occasional side option. Once you start this profession you may find yourself being expected to bring in your worth...

 

For my problem above:

I took the hit and went hours back to a save where i didnt give him the money yet. I only have the requirements installed and cant seem to find any FMMM something, threesome and foursome are generally there though.

I mean you already have that kind of content when you start with Ben, if i wouldnt have it i wouldnt be at this point now no?

 

4 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

Sheliya covered most everything on this. TAP does have prostitutes other than the player. It does not have any way for you to be the one who controls them. They are more like your coworkers.

 

I would make one small addition. It is correct to say that TAP is meant for role-playing as a prostitute or a character who must look to prostitution, rather than mercenary work, to get by. It is meant to be your job, but it is also possible to be a more casual prostitute with TAP, except in Riften. There, prostitution is run by the Black-Briars, and they are not nice people. Everywhere else, you can just get a license and then solicit people in the inns or even on the streets if you want.

 

 Many thanks for the quick replies!  This sounds exactly like what I'm looking for!  Not only something that gives the PC extra options, but also a mod that adds something to the atmosphere  of the game regardless of what the PC is doing.  (Although I will miss the "dancing girl" sequence from TDF!  LOL)  For awhile, I was worried that LL was dying with most mods being old LE conversions.  It's good to see there are new modders out there creating new mods for this aspect of the game.

[ruddycray]

6 minutes ago, rodrigo2 said:

 

 

 Many thanks for the quick replies!  This sounds exactly like what I'm looking for!  Not only something that gives the PC extra options, but also a mod that adds something to the atmosphere  of the game regardless of what the PC is doing.  (Although I will miss the "dancing girl" sequence from TDF!  LOL)  For awhile, I was worried that LL was dying with most mods being old LE conversions.  It's good to see there are new modders out there creating new mods for this aspect of the game.

 

I hope you enjoy it!

[ruddycray]

11 hours ago, Sheliya said:

The mod is about being a prostitude, not a pimp.

It imho delivers on its promise to add prostitution as a believable profession that "feels just normal", including a lot of colleagues. But without filling the streets with hundreds of whores and having people fuck all over the place.

In fact Tap by default punishes sex in public (with a small fee) and keeps it mostly contained where it belongs: in Inn rooms and brothels, the later now available just outside the gates of every major city. 

Other prostitudes offer different interactions and some even some minor character background.

So you may see a prostitude in an Inn, certainly several in the brothels, but its not one massive continious humping party (outside of the brothel events  )

 

But yes if you look for it you can see and hear "it happening". And street-working is an option, just you may still want to find a silent corner... (Player only in this case)

 

As far as money is concerned its rather tame compared to others, my comparison would be radiant. Just a fraction of this. It can still help especially in the beginning though. But: Its a profession choice not just an occasional side option. Once you start this profession you may find yourself being expected to bring in your worth...

 

For my problem above:

I took the hit and went hours back to a save where i didnt give him the money yet. I only have the requirements installed and cant seem to find any FMMM something, threesome and foursome are generally there though.

I mean you already have that kind of content when you start with Ben, if i wouldnt have it i wouldnt be at this point now no?

 

To follow up on this, I have confirmed that if there are no FMM or FMMM animations available, the quest will fail in exactly the way you've described. It will just repeatedly try to start the scene and say it is skipping it, but it won't actually skip it. When I look at the console, there is a flood of messages where it keeps trying.

 

Edit: It also looks like the way that the script is checking for whether those animations are available also has flaws.

 

Until I get this fixed in a new release, you should be able to work around it with this console command some time before the scene is supposed to start:

 

setpqv TAPQSexUtil HasFMMAnims 1

 

That will make the quest believe that there are FMM threesome animations available, and it will try to use them, and even if there aren't any it really will skip the scene.

Edited June 26, 2023 by ruddycray

[baphomet80]

Hi, thanks for the mod! I'm still somewhat new to it but it is well made and really offers actual roleplaying instead of "here is a radiant you can ignore".

 

Question though, does Benjen really only have the tasting as extra job? It's marked as #1 but I can't unlock any other.

[ruddycray]

31 minutes ago, baphomet80 said:

Hi, thanks for the mod! I'm still somewhat new to it but it is well made and really offers actual roleplaying instead of "here is a radiant you can ignore".

 

Question though, does Benjen really only have the tasting as extra job? It's marked as #1 but I can't unlock any other.

 

There are 2 others you can get by saying you're worried about making your quota but otherwise yes. I haven't gotten around to adding any more yet.

[baphomet80]

17 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

There are 2 others you can get by saying you're worried about making your quota but otherwise yes. I haven't gotten around to adding any more yet.

Alright, thanks!

 

Also, I liked how the dialogue changes when you take the night job as a vampire.

 

Also

[Sheliya]

On 6/26/2023 at 8:24 PM, ruddycray said:

 

To follow up on this, I have confirmed that if there are no FMM or FMMM animations available, the quest will fail in exactly the way you've described. It will just repeatedly try to start the scene and say it is skipping it, but it won't actually skip it. When I look at the console, there is a flood of messages where it keeps trying.

 

Edit: It also looks like the way that the script is checking for whether those animations are available also has flaws.

 

Until I get this fixed in a new release, you should be able to work around it with this console command some time before the scene is supposed to start:

 

setpqv TAPQSexUtil HasFMMAnims 1

 

That will make the quest believe that there are FMM threesome animations available, and it will try to use them, and even if there aren't any it really will skip the scene.

Thank you for this!

 

I actually came back because i found a solution while working on a problem with another mod (Succubus Heart, which goes very well alongside TAP btw!)

 

There i had the problem that one of its soul pets was not working properly while others with the same skeleton and animations did and with direct discord help of the author (thanks Spirit_Shard) we found some strange SL behavior.

Apparently some creatures would report back as invalid to SH while they work for other mods (we are talking about some very basic..ahem..."doggy" animations, certainly included in the basic requirements, even explicitly shown as installed/activated/registered in the MCM). 

However installing additional animation packs, Billyy's in this case, fixed it.

 

As it seemed similar to the problem i had in TAP (original multi-scene with Ben worked, just the one noted above didnt)- i now went back to try it again with more animation packs. And- it worked. Before i only had the bare requirements, now with some addons it works.

 

If anyone got the same or similar problems, install SLAL and Billyy's animation packs. Make sure to register all afterwards.

 

We are still not sure where that actually comes from though o_O It..."should" work.

It might be something concerning calling animations by tag vs directly and or gender sorting that makes SL apparently see or not see different animations, however as stated in a weird way.

I didnt disable anything neither and the original multi scene worked with just the basic requirements installed, just not that one "show" when you are about to buy the girl.

Did you start the "strange" one above by tag and the other original one directly maybe?

Still looking into, my current hypothesis is that the typical basic requirement animation packs (Fnis/CF/MNC...) dont register properly or as expected or ... something.

And apparently everyone has a lot of packs. Just me- i tried to keep everything as slim as possible to avoid troubles- not to get into some

Edited June 28, 2023 by Sheliya

[rongeurdos]

17 hours ago, Sheliya said:

Thank you for this!

 

(...) Succubus Heart, which goes very well alongside TAP btw!)

 

(...) install SLAL and Billyy's animation packs. Make sure to register all afterwards.

 

Totally agree with you on both counts.
I don't know if it's possible, but replacing the default TAP Succubus mechanic with Succubus Heart would be a work of art.

[Basilissa_1492]

On 5/3/2023 at 9:09 AM, xLLUser said:

So I'm on the quest "The Defiler" and am having some pretty major issues (I think because of Northern Roads editing the area around the shrine?).

Spoilers for "The Defiler":

 

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After speaking with Mother Hamal and heading over to the shrine nothing seems to work. If I approach Corvus and the quest marker at the shrine nothing happens, tried running around the area and using TCL to go under the map in case the shrine had just been slightly moved by Northern Roads leaving the trigger for the quest to continue somewhere else. No luck. Corvus has no dialogue options other than the standard prostitution one and never masturbates like he's supposed to.

If I set the quest stage to 200 through the console I can ask him if he was masturbating and why (it progresses to stage 300 on it's own here just fine), then try to convince him to stop but even if I tell him he should be with a priestess I don't get the option to say I am a novice, so it can't progress from there.

If I then set the stage to 400 he confesses as if I had offered to sleep with him and I can finish the quest that way, but obviously missing some dialogue and the sex scene itself.

If I do manually set stage to 200, speak with him as normal trying to convince him to stop but then attack him until he surrenders I can finish the quest that way and still get all the dialogue without having to use console commands any more.

I'm past the quest now but if anyone else has this issue is there a way to still get the full quest to trigger by changing variables in the console at certain stages or something? Also do you think this is caused by Northern Roads or another mod changing the area around the shrine? Because if that's not it I have no clue why it wouldn't work, every other quest from this mod I've done in this playthrough has worked perfectly.

 

Anyway, thanks for all your work on this update! This mod is genuinely one of the best I've tried.

 

 

I've run into this issue as well, and I do have a mod that replaces the shrine's functionality. I'm using the mod in a Wildlander modpack game, which changes the shrines at least with Requiem, where you can't use them if you've killed people, committed too many crimes etc. I'm not sure if there's another mod that visually changed it as well! Anyway, I did use the console as the above player did, and encountered the same bug they did as well when the quest stage was at 300 (no opportunity to progress normally, had to use setstage to 400 to finish the quest!

 

If anyone has time, I'd love to know what dialogue options I've missed, so I can at least imagine I've finished it properly  .

[DefeatedFromAbove]

Just downloaded this mod for the first time and I noticed when I first entered a brothel I got approached an asked for service, but once I joined the brothel and started working there no one ever approached me and asked for service again. After reading through here a bit, I found that NPCs asking the player for service by themselves is not a feature. The player needs to initiate dialogue first, but then why did they do it when I first entered? Is it just part of some quest? I liked being approached tbh.

 

As a side note: Does anyone know an addon to this mod that does this exact thing? I read someone figured out that TDF has a feature like this and can be used in this mod, but I don't like downloading it since it might conflict with TAP. Might be my only choice for now though.

[LetsTestThis]

3 hours ago, DefeatedFromAbove said:

Just downloaded this mod for the first time and I noticed when I first entered a brothel I got approached an asked for service, but once I joined the brothel and started working there no one ever approached me and asked for service again. After reading through here a bit, I found that NPCs asking the player for service by themselves is not a feature. The player needs to initiate dialogue first, but then why did they do it when I first entered? Is it just part of some quest? I liked being approached tbh.

 

As a side note: Does anyone know an addon to this mod that does this exact thing? I read someone figured out that TDF has a feature like this and can be used in this mod, but I don't like downloading it since it might conflict with TAP. Might be my only choice for now though.

Being approached inside brothels (at least Dibella's Garden never tested the Blackbriar one) is expected and should happen even after joining. In fact later on there are even special events you get approached for. That being said it isn't too frequent so you may just not have waited long enough.

 

Regarding the sidenote: I am not aware of any addon that adds approaches outside brothels like they do inside.

[killer905]

7 hours ago, DefeatedFromAbove said:

Just downloaded this mod for the first time and I noticed when I first entered a brothel I got approached an asked for service, but once I joined the brothel and started working there no one ever approached me and asked for service again. After reading through here a bit, I found that NPCs asking the player for service by themselves is not a feature. The player needs to initiate dialogue first, but then why did they do it when I first entered? Is it just part of some quest? I liked being approached tbh.

 

As a side note: Does anyone know an addon to this mod that does this exact thing? I read someone figured out that TDF has a feature like this and can be used in this mod, but I don't like downloading it since it might conflict with TAP. Might be my only choice for now though.

On my save game, after joining, the client can approach himself, but as a colleague wrote above, this is not very common. Probably, so it's not that 10 seconds after the last customer, the next one comes to have fun with you.

[ruddycray]

9 hours ago, DefeatedFromAbove said:

Just downloaded this mod for the first time and I noticed when I first entered a brothel I got approached an asked for service, but once I joined the brothel and started working there no one ever approached me and asked for service again. After reading through here a bit, I found that NPCs asking the player for service by themselves is not a feature. The player needs to initiate dialogue first, but then why did they do it when I first entered? Is it just part of some quest? I liked being approached tbh.

 

As a side note: Does anyone know an addon to this mod that does this exact thing? I read someone figured out that TDF has a feature like this and can be used in this mod, but I don't like downloading it since it might conflict with TAP. Might be my only choice for now though.

 

As the others have said, NPCs will approach in the brothels but not in the inns. They will approach in both Dibella's Garden and the Black-Briar brothel.

 

Clients periodically select a prostitute to have sex with. It can be any of the prostitutes. If they happen to choose you, they will approach. Otherwise, they will pair off with one of the other prostitutes, or they might choose not to have sex at all right now.

 

There is also a period of time after a client has sex when they won't have sex again or accept solicitations.

[ruddycray]

14 hours ago, killer905 said:

On my save game, after joining, the client can approach himself, but as a colleague wrote above, this is not very common. Probably, so it's not that 10 seconds after the last customer, the next one comes to have fun with you.

 

That is pretty much the reason. The idea is that there are usually many other girls in the brothel just as appealing to the customers as you, so they might pick you or they might pick one of the others. Also I find a lot of approach mods to really overdo it. To be honest, I still sometimes get annoyed by someone approaching me when I'm playing even at the amount it happens now, although maybe more than my players do because the approaching clients frequently interrupt me testing something else.

[lendiforma]

So I wanted to increase license cost a bit in xedit, but I couldn't find the value for it in the globals, granted I'm not very good at that, would you mind telling where it's at?

[ruddycray]

23 minutes ago, lendiforma said:

So I wanted to increase license cost a bit in xedit, but I couldn't find the value for it in the globals, granted I'm not very good at that, would you mind telling where it's at?

 

It's not in a global, because it varies by area. It would be in the conditions on the dialogue and in the scripts for the quests where you buy them. It would be in a dialogue script, a quest stage script, or the overall quest script.

[killer905]

On 7/17/2023 at 4:25 PM, ruddycray said:

 

That is pretty much the reason. The idea is that there are usually many other girls in the brothel just as appealing to the customers as you, so they might pick you or they might pick one of the others. Also I find a lot of approach mods to really overdo it. To be honest, I still sometimes get annoyed by someone approaching me when I'm playing even at the amount it happens now, although maybe more than my players do because the approaching clients frequently interrupt me testing something else.

That's good. But it would be divine if the client knew we're eh Dragonborn and would like to have fun more than once and other men line up for PC and other girls get bored during that time. (Yes, I know, I drifted off a bit)

Edited July 20, 2023 by killer905

[tulipo]

how do i get windhelm license after civil war questline finished and stromcloak win? I try talk to the steward but the dialogue to ask for license is not available