The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[ruddycray]

On 4/22/2023 at 4:32 PM, Nicallia said:

Hi Folks, 

 

I've been passionately using TAS and all its downloads. I also (thought) to have all things installed correctly. Turns out I have a crash in form of a "black screen of death" i.e. likely texture fault when I enter Dawnstar. It took many tests.. e.g. coc DawnstarBarracks and then going outside on a new game works every time. Waiting 10d for spawns works fine. Yet, talk to any innkeeper, any prostitute and start TAS - then I get a black screen of death in Dawnstar. Nowhere else. And reliably so. So even in the Dawnstar Inn.. just going in, starting TAS and then going outside immediately triggers the Black Screen Bug.

 

Obviously I assume I installed something incorrectly -I'm trying my luck to narrow down the probelm quicker. 

• Any thoughts what could start of in TAS in Dawnstar? 
• Any chars you know will spawn in Dawnstar? 
• Any outfits you may attribute to Dawnstar prostitutes if you have downloaded all cloth sets?
• Anything else that comes to mind? 

I do have JK Skyrim installed, run 3BA stuff, tons of outfits that work, Bits and Pieces skin and RSV setup etc but all work normally everywhere else. 

 

Thanks so much for any hints / tips / thougths. 

 

For the Dawnstar license, Marcus and Jagar appear in Dawnstar and are added by TAP. Marcus is in the inn, and Jagar is outside. There are no prostitutes in Dawnstar at this time.

 

I honestly don't have any idea what could cause this. I've never seen the behavior you're describing or received reports about it. I feel certain that the mod characters who appear in Dawnstar are using regular vanilla clothes.

[ruddycray]

11 hours ago, General_Jeno said:

Hey guys, hope someone can help

I just started a new skyrim playthrough with this mod and got spawned in winterhold (skyrim unbound)

So first thing I do is try to prostitute myself in the inn of course!

Long story short, I am stuck on Vanikseth, he is not walking to his hideout at all. I know the "known issues" says he gets stuck but I can't get him to go at all. Tried porting him outside the inn, reloading the game etc... Dk what else to try? If I knew where his hideout was, I'd move him there, or if I knew the quest stages I could advance a stage... Any help ?

 

This sounds like you may have a mod that is overriding his behavior. Previously, when I've had players report him refusing to leave the inn, it's been because I had the priority on the quest set too low, and some other mods that were meant to make NPCs do more interesting things in their daily schedules were grabbing him and forcing him to stay in town.

 

You could probably still use the console to force your way past this, but it would probably be better to use More Informative Console and find out what AI package he is currently running and what mod it's from. If you want to try with the console, you can just teleport directly to the workroom with this command:

 

coc tapvaniksethworkroom

 

Then you should be able to move him to you.

[AthenaTheLover]

For now, I like the mod, but I'd like to see some development on joining Debella Garden. That is the dialogue whether the player is a virgin or has already had experience with it. And maybe a few questions with whom, and when we do not take over offers of "services" of pleasure.

[General_Jeno]

8 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

This sounds like you may have a mod that is overriding his behavior. Previously, when I've had players report him refusing to leave the inn, it's been because I had the priority on the quest set too low, and some other mods that were meant to make NPCs do more interesting things in their daily schedules were grabbing him and forcing him to stay in town.

 

You could probably still use the console to force your way past this, but it would probably be better to use More Informative Console and find out what AI package he is currently running and what mod it's from. If you want to try with the console, you can just teleport directly to the workroom with this command:

 

coc tapvaniksethworkroom

 

Then you should be able to move him to you.

Thanks for the help!

It wasn't really worth digging into it, I have 1335 mods active (but it's on a very heavily curated mod pack whose creator spent weeks and weeks tuning it and making his own compatibility patches... So I sent him the feedback as well )

I was able to continue the quest without issue though, after moving him to me in the hideout - even when the draugr sex failed, the quest skipped it correctly. This also saved me from the long walk there with him haha

Edited April 24, 2023 by General_Jeno

[ruddycray]

11 minutes ago, General_Jeno said:

Thanks for the help!

It wasn't really worth digging into it, I have 1335 mods active (but it's on a very heavily curated mod pack whose creator spent weeks and weeks tuning it and making his own compatibility patches... So I sent him the feedback as well )

I was able to continue the quest without issue though, after moving him to me in the hideout - even when the draugr sex failed, the quest skipped it correctly. This also saved me from the long walk there with him haha

 

It's good you were able to get past it, and I can respect not wanting to spend a lot of time on the problem.

 

It does help me if you are able to identify a specific cause, even if it's just what package he's running and what mod it's from, because if you are having the problem, it's possible someone else is, too. There might be something I need to adjust, like I did when I increased the priority of the quest previously.

 

The mod causing the problem before was Immersive Citizens.

Edited April 24, 2023 by ruddycray
Added the name of the mod that was overriding Vanikseth

[xtrange988]

As far as I know Immersive Citizens adds packages with scripts, so unless you make a patch their packages will always take priority. But the author doesn't want people making patches. 

 

Stick with Ai Overhaul, a Smash patch with Ai package tags or better, a Synthesis patch will solve any problem.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by xtrange988

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, xtrange988 said:

As far as I know Immersive Citizens adds packages with scripts, so unless you make a patch their packages will always take priority. But the author doesn't want people making patches. 

 

Stick with Ai Overhaul, a Smash patch with Ai package tags or better, a Synthesis patch will solve any problem.

 

 

 

I believe it uses quest aliases. I had everything working with Immersive Citizens, I believe. The problem was that the priority for the first Vanikseth quest was 0, so pretty much any quest that applied a different package to him would take precedence.

 

I think I set the priority of the quest to 65, though, so it's still possible that some other mod could be coming along with an even higher priority than that.

[ruddycray]

Version 0.14 has been released!

 

Major highlights:

• 4 new Temple of Dibella quests, 1 new Dibella's Garden story quest, and 1 new side quest
• The major bug in Where Spirits Have Sex has been fixed

WARNING: There is a known issue with TAP Interiors and the new version that prevents the new Dibella's Garden quest from starting. An update will be required for TAP Interiors.

 

BE AWARE: If you are upgrading on a game in progress, and you have previously recruited Janilla during Solitude Prostitution License, her story has been heavily retconned to fit it into the Temple of Dibella quest line. She no longer considers the party in Solitude to be the sign from Dibella she was waiting for, and she no longer joins the temple immediately upon completing Solitude Prostitution License.

 

If these things have already happened in your game, when you load version 0.14, she will put her clothes back on and resume praying at the shrine. This is expected behavior.

 

If Janilla is dead in your saved game, she will come back to life.

 

Likewise, because Audhild and Jerna are essential characters to the Dibella's Garden story quest, they will be resurrected if they have been killed in your game.

[ruddycray]

Complete guide post has been updated for 0.14.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/137074-the-ancient-profession-2023-04-24/?do=findComment&comment=4018709

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by ruddycray

[killer905]

Welll, i notice this today

She really like this stone ❤️

Spoiler

 

[Nicallia]

On 4/24/2023 at 6:05 AM, ruddycray said:

 

For the Dawnstar license, Marcus and Jagar appear in Dawnstar and are added by TAP. Marcus is in the inn, and Jagar is outside. There are no prostitutes in Dawnstar at this time.

 

I honestly don't have any idea what could cause this. I've never seen the behavior you're describing or received reports about it. I feel certain that the mod characters who appear in Dawnstar are using regular vanilla clothes.

Thx Ruddy. This helped me figure it out. Turns out my thousand mods masked a problem I introduced with an incorrect male RSV setup from Bits and Pieces skin using SPID to distribute. So your vanilla char being spawned after starting the quest was just a symptom.

 

As I removed mods, I got more CTDs everywhere to then finally resolving by correctly installing the skin + RSV.

[Highborn]

wow, new update! Excited for new temple of Dibella quests

[killer905]

13 hours ago, ruddycray said:

Complete guide post has been updated for 0.14.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/137074-the-ancient-profession-2023-04-24/?do=findComment&comment=4018709

 

In this list for the quest "One Bad Apple" there is no mention of the courier giving us a "tip", and so I spent 30 minutes talking to people in inns until I got pissed and forced the next stage of the quest. Or I missed something...

[ruddycray]

16 hours ago, killer905 said:

Welll, i notice this today

She really like this stone ❤️

  Hide contents

 

 

Yeah, I've noticed that before and just haven't fixed it. I think it might actually be that way in the vanilla cell I copied from, too.

 

3 hours ago, killer905 said:

In this list for the quest "One Bad Apple" there is no mention of the courier giving us a "tip", and so I spent 30 minutes talking to people in inns until I got pissed and forced the next stage of the quest. Or I missed something...

 

It depends what you did before that, but the courier should have come almost immediately. I did forget a few things from the guide.

 

Spoiler

That, and you can talk to Chaser-Of-Cats after you fight the thugs and have sex with him. Rudhiir, too, if you've got the animations.

 

[killer905]

7 hours ago, ruddycray said:

It depends what you did before that, but the courier should have come almost immediately. I did forget a few things from the guide.

So I spoke to Jarl, Jarl's steward, Audhild, Audhild's Mother. Witnessed Ereld and Alof, but the courier didn't arrive then (I hate those couriers. They always come too late ) And I forgot to mention one thing. Even before I used setstage/courier arrival, I teleported to the Whiterun brothel from another brothel. There was a guard there, but all he said was "closed on Jarl's orders" (I could walk around like that and I got her mother's note mentioning potential fathers "except the fact that one is dead due to Companions story completion and the other was exiled due to to the side of the conflict") I think that if we were there at this stage, He should give us a moment to leave the building or he will arrest/throw us out of the building. Just a little suggestion

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, killer905 said:

So I spoke to Jarl, Jarl's steward, Audhild, Audhild's Mother. Witnessed Ereld and Alof, but the courier didn't arrive then (I hate those couriers. They always come too late ) And I forgot to mention one thing. Even before I used setstage/courier arrival, I teleported to the Whiterun brothel from another brothel. There was a guard there, but all he said was "closed on Jarl's orders" (I could walk around like that and I got her mother's note mentioning potential fathers "except the fact that one is dead due to Companions story completion and the other was exiled due to to the side of the conflict") I think that if we were there at this stage, He should give us a moment to leave the building or he will arrest/throw us out of the building. Just a little suggestion

 

That's exactly what he's supposed to do. I might have to see if something strange is going on in the LE version or get some more information from you, like the result of "sqs tapqdg01".

 

Also,

 

Spoiler

It doesn't matter about the fathers being killed or exiled. The idea is that Jerna wrote the letter when they were all still around and alive. I also don't plan to ever give a definite answer on who Audhild's father actually is, unless I change my mind for a specific story reason.

 

The fact they don't know is a big part of her sister's problem with what they do.

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by ruddycray

[killer905]

  

18 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

That's exactly what he's supposed to do. I might have to see if something strange is going on in the LE version or get some more information from you, like the result of "sqs tapqdg01".

 

Also,

 

  Hide contents

It doesn't matter about the fathers being killed or exiled. The idea is that Jerna wrote the letter when they were all still around and alive. I also don't plan to ever give a definite answer on who Audhild's father actually is, unless I change my mind for a specific story reason.

 

The fact they don't know is a big part of her sister's problem with what they do.

 

 

Ohh, I thought it was something you missed in development. It's also possible that the script didn't run correctly then and will work as it should next time. I'll have a moment and I'll try to give you more data and maybe even a video so you can track down the problem.

Edited April 26, 2023 by killer905

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, killer905 said:

  

 

Ohh, I thought it was something you missed in development. It's also possible that the script didn't run correctly then and will work as it should next time. I'll have a moment and I'll try to give you more data and maybe even a video so you can track down the problem.

 

You also said something about someone being exiled so it could also be that there's a bug when the guard is a Stormcloak or if Whiterun changed sides in the middle of the quest.

Edited April 26, 2023 by ruddycray

[killer905]

2 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

You also said something about someone being exiled so it could also be that there's a bug when the guard is a Stormcloak or if Whiterun changed sides in the middle of the quest.

Jarl Balgruuf was already banished before this quest and they were actually stormclock instead of Whiterun Guard.

[killer905]

@ruddycray
 

Spoiler Alert!

Spoiler

I send on google drive video
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zKzXp8jzamj7K7FpKSIc40P3iXrbGH1C?usp=sharing

 

[Rattlesnark]

Thanks for the recent pair of updates! I'm playing through the 'The Sybil's Homecoming' quest, and I noticed a quirk/bug with the questlog description on one of the last stages.

 

Spoiler:

 

Once I've entered the shrine room at Broken Tower Redoubt, the sex scene between the Forsworn Briarheart and a random Forworn begins (as I'd arrived well in time before  the 4-hour limit, as per the guide). However, the questlog description for this quest stage still mentions that Gwynona had been captured and is being forced upon. Seems like it might not have properly accounted for the quest condition.

 

Something else entirely: Looks like similarly with 'The Price of Love' for Benjen (that I've inquired about sometime back - Tythis simply not having the relevant dialogue), the new post-3000-gold-earnings quest 'One Bad Apple' seems to be having trouble triggering for me.

It definitely says I've earned well over 4000 gold for both DG and Benjen on the TAP MCM. Both numbers are equal, I presume they track concurrently. This is the right number to look at, right?

Tried fast travelling to Whiterun's DG location some time apart, as well as checking for the NPCs mentioned on the guide and it looks like indeed the quest hasn't been ready-to-start yet (the guard outside the DG, Catia, Audhild - all absent from the world). Haven't quite tried walking to Whiterun DG naturally though.

How strange... Perhaps the earnings calculation isn't as I understand or something's just broken on this playthrough.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Rattlesnark

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, killer905 said:

@ruddycray
 

Spoiler Alert!

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I send on google drive video
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zKzXp8jzamj7K7FpKSIc40P3iXrbGH1C?usp=sharing

 

 

Well, I definitely meant to make the guard tell you that you only had a short time to leave if you entered the brothel early, but now that I look I don't see where I did that. It doesn't have anything to do with being a Stormcloak. I just checked, and it happens for the regular Whiterun guards, too.

 

Thanks for the videos. It helps to watch what you did. I wrote up a couple of bugs from this.

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, Rattlesnark said:

Thanks for the recent pair of updates! I'm playing through the 'The Sybil's Homecoming' quest, and I noticed a quirk/bug with the questlog description on one of the last stages.

 

Spoiler:

  Reveal hidden contents

Once I've entered the shrine room at Broken Tower Redoubt, the sex scene between the Forsworn Briarheart and a random Forworn begins (as I'd arrived well in time before  the 4-hour limit, as per the guide). However, the questlog description for this quest stage still mentions that Gwynona had been captured and is being forced upon. Seems like it might not have properly accounted for the quest condition.

 

Something else entirely: Looks like similarly with 'The Price of Love' for Benjen (that I've inquired about sometime back - Tythis simply not having the relevant dialogue), the new post-3000-gold-earnings quest 'One Bad Apple' seems to be having trouble triggering for me.

It definitely says I've earned well over 4000 gold for both DG and Benjen on the TAP MCM. Both numbers are equal, I presume they track concurrently. This is the right number to look at, right?

Tried fast travelling to Whiterun's DG location some time apart, as well as checking for the NPCs mentioned on the guide and it looks like indeed the quest hasn't been ready-to-start yet (the guard outside the DG, Catia, Audhild - all absent from the world). Haven't quite tried walking to Whiterun DG naturally though.

How strange... Perhaps the earnings calculation isn't as I understand or something's just broken on this playthrough.

 

Your understanding of how the lifetime earnings work is correct.

 

Do you have the TAP Interiors mod installed, by any chance? You need to make sure you have the version 1.53 patch installed if so.

Edited April 27, 2023 by ruddycray
TAP Interiors now works with 0.14

[killer905]

6 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

Well, I definitely meant to make the guard tell you that you only had a short time to leave if you entered the brothel early, but now that I look I don't see where I did that. It doesn't have anything to do with being a Stormcloak. I just checked, and it happens for the regular Whiterun guards, too.

 

Thanks for the videos. It helps to watch what you did. I wrote up a couple of bugs from this.

Hmm, it can be solved that if we want to teleport to Dibellan Garden before getting directions from the courier, but after finding out from someone why the brothel is closed. Then the person responsible for teleportation in other brothels says that he can't because he has been closed by the guards and will not move us (after receiving a tip from the courier, we can convince him that we want to help reopen the brothel in Whiterun). Out of curiosity, what other bugs did you find there? And can I delete the video or do you need it for additional analysis?

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, killer905 said:

Hmm, it can be solved that if we want to teleport to Dibellan Garden before getting directions from the courier, but after finding out from someone why the brothel is closed. Then the person responsible for teleportation in other brothels says that he can't because he has been closed by the guards and will not move us (after receiving a tip from the courier, we can convince him that we want to help reopen the brothel in Whiterun). Out of curiosity, what other bugs did you find there? And can I delete the video or do you need it for additional analysis?

 

I also considered doing that, and I might still.

 

I wrote down about the objective not completing if you speed run getting the axe after he gives you a warning.

 

I created I think 10 bugs about this quest within the last day. I don't remember exactly which other ones came from the video.

 

I do not need the videos anymore, thanks.

Edited April 27, 2023 by ruddycray