The Ancient Profession 2023-11-14

[killer905]

3 hours ago, xtrange988 said:

 

Why waste time reinventing the wheel? 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/15211

 

 

Hmm well no thanks

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Uninstallation

The bad news: I cannot recommend that you uninstall the mod once you’ve started using it. Doing so won’t corrupt your saves or leave script artifacts or make your game unstable, but it will leave any NPCs whose outfits you changed to a custom outfit while using the mod naked after a while. This is the only real drawback with this mod: there’s no easy way to uninstall it without these adverse effects to your game.

 

[Highborn]

4 hours ago, AthenaTheLover said:

Interesting, but I always look at + if the mod has the ability to choose what outfit an NPC should have or with a % chance (also randomly picks predetermined several outfits) as in "Bathing Beauties or Beefcake Luxury Suite (BBLS)" without editing the file, which is easily broken or misconfigured. The mod you mentioned is a compromise, but you lose the % random chance for a specific NPC otherwise you have to change that outfit yourself.

You can distribute outfits to NPCs with SPID, including the % chance. I'd recommend looking into SPID's description and dowloading mods that distribue outfits to NPC and checking their .ini files to replicate it the way you want. It might take some learning.

[ruddycray]

3 hours ago, killer905 said:

Hmm well no thanks

 

 

That has nothing to do with that mod specifically. If you set an NPC's outfit and then remove the mod that the outfit comes from the NPC will be naked.

Edited January 24, 2023 by ruddycray

[killer905]

1 hour ago, ruddycray said:

 

That has nothing to do with that mod specifically. If you set an NPC's outfit and then remove the mod that the outfit comes from the NPC will be naked.

Yes, I know, but when the author of the mod wrote "corrupt your saves ", the mod is erased for me because I once messed up my save by the mod, probably for sleeping (?) As a result, even after uninstalling MCM Unstall correctly and clearing the save from this mod, it ended, that I couldn't use any beds in Skyrim (Vanilia).

 

 

As for TAP, I'm waiting for a new update ❤️

[erynyes]

I was always looking at this mod and thought it would be interresting, but it needed me to change my modlist a lot and always end up passing.  Finally build a new modlist last night and decided to give it a shot, glad i did!  The quests are great, i was totally immersed, system works really well, haven't started the succubus quest yet, but now im totally going that way ?. Going to read carefully about the outfit options now that i'm hooked. Great mod, earn a permanent spot in my load order, and i see you planning an update in february, now i'm excited!

 

Thank you for all the work and for sharing this mod

[ruddycray]

On 1/24/2023 at 10:04 AM, killer905 said:

Yes, I know, but when the author of the mod wrote "corrupt your saves ", the mod is erased for me because I once messed up my save by the mod, probably for sleeping (?) As a result, even after uninstalling MCM Unstall correctly and clearing the save from this mod, it ended, that I couldn't use any beds in Skyrim (Vanilia).

 

 

As for TAP, I'm waiting for a new update ❤️

 

To be fair, they said it won't corrupt your saves, but I've had a game ruined dozens of hours in by a mod before so I understand being careful.

[ruddycray]

8 hours ago, erynyes said:

I was always looking at this mod and thought it would be interresting, but it needed me to change my modlist a lot and always end up passing.  Finally build a new modlist last night and decided to give it a shot, glad i did!  The quests are great, i was totally immersed, system works really well, haven't started the succubus quest yet, but now im totally going that way ?. Going to read carefully about the outfit options now that i'm hooked. Great mod, earn a permanent spot in my load order, and i see you planning an update in february, now i'm excited!

 

Thank you for all the work and for sharing this mod

 

Thank you for the kind words!

[Onion200300]

where is Vanikseth?

 

[43deadwood]

5 hours ago, Onion200300 said:

where is Vanikseth?

 

You should be able to find him in The Frozen Hearth in Winterhold

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, Onion200300 said:

where is Vanikseth?

 

 

You have to talk to the steward in Winterhold about a license and then hear his proposal to help you earn some money. If you agree to meet with the person he tells you about then he will tell you that it's Vanikseth and that he'll arrange for you to meet. At that point, Vanikseth will appear in the inn.

[killer905]

Can you tell us how many quests we can expect in the next update or do you prefer to keep it a secret?

[ruddycray]

9 hours ago, killer905 said:

Can you tell us how many quests we can expect in the next update or do you prefer to keep it a secret?

 

I'd prefer not to risk overpromising. It's not going to be a huge number, because real life stuff tied me up and kept me away from modding for a lot of last year. I have some goals, but I'm going to keep them to myself in case I don't reach them.

[killer905]

9 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

I'd prefer not to risk overpromising. It's not going to be a huge number, because real life stuff tied me up and kept me away from modding for a lot of last year. I have some goals, but I'm going to keep them to myself in case I don't reach them.

A good choice. So we wait

[AlleiraDayne]

Not that this is very informative, but every time I try to proposition an NPC, I can move them nearer to a bed, get the prompt to use the bed once I tell the NPC I'm ready, receive septims, then I get "Sex scene failed to start; skipping". I'm returning to Skyrim modding after about a year away and I'm not sure why I'm getting this error. I was able to get employed by performing the two quest steps prior, but since then, no sex scenes start, they all fail and skip.

[ruddycray]

27 minutes ago, AlleiraDayne said:

Not that this is very informative, but every time I try to proposition an NPC, I can move them nearer to a bed, get the prompt to use the bed once I tell the NPC I'm ready, receive septims, then I get "Sex scene failed to start; skipping". I'm returning to Skyrim modding after about a year away and I'm not sure why I'm getting this error. I was able to get employed by performing the two quest steps prior, but since then, no sex scenes start, they all fail and skip.

 

That message means SexLab returned an error, and this mod is just reporting that it happened. To get to the bottom of it, you'll probably have to look in the Papyrus log or open up the console. There should be something in one or both of those places telling you why SexLab couldn't start the scene.

 

The first step I would suggest is to make sure that you can start SexLab scenes at all.

Edited February 3, 2023 by ruddycray

[Jack005]

Can someone make a patch for simple slavery ++ that you can get bought for Benjen blackbriar to work for him until you have the money to buy your contract??

righ now im rollplaying like this but I cant buy the contract, if i buy it I have to use console command to jump right at the point of having another contract if I got "bough" by him again (I use the the save found in SS++ to by bough by him) 

[hivertan]

How do you start the Vanikseth questline? I went to Winterhold but the npc wasn't anywhere...

[ruddycray]

2 hours ago, hivertan said:

How do you start the Vanikseth questline? I went to Winterhold but the npc wasn't anywhere...

 

Answer is about 8 posts above.

[Rattlesnark]

Hello, thanks for the fun and reasonably expansive quest mod! I've got a couple questions regarding the content:

1. How do you actually start the Price of Love quest? Specific requirements/criteria that one might miss? (Haven't managed to find an answer looking around the thread and download page)

2. While looking up the mod's cells, I happened to find a vampire dungeon looking place with some - can't quite remember the details beyond this (nor the name of the cell) as it's been some time since. Does this ring a bell; and might it be a complete location involved in a quest?

[ruddycray]

3 hours ago, Rattlesnark said:

Hello, thanks for the fun and reasonably expansive quest mod! I've got a couple questions regarding the content:

1. How do you actually start the Price of Love quest? Specific requirements/criteria that one might miss? (Haven't managed to find an answer looking around the thread and download page)

2. While looking up the mod's cells, I happened to find a vampire dungeon looking place with some - can't quite remember the details beyond this (nor the name of the cell) as it's been some time since. Does this ring a bell; and might it be a complete location involved in a quest?

 

1. I think it's that you have to be in Riften, working for Benjen, and have earned 3000 gold working as a prostitute since you started working for him. The cut you have to pay him still counts as "earnings", so if someone pays you 50 gold and your cut to Benjen is 20 gold, you will have 50 gold of earnings even though you only keep 30. Also, Tythis Ulen must be alive, and Elyssa or Phylawen must still be one of Benjen's companions (so if you kill them both then the quest won't ever start).

 

2. If it was a large castle area and not a cave, then no. I am planning to use those cells at some point in the future, but no currently available quests will take you there.

[killer905]

Mjoll she's an enemy of the Black-Briar family so I guess something could be done around that.

 

My idea is that Mjoll gives us a look around the Black-Briar brothel because there are supposedly secret meetings in some secret room in the basement. For obvious reasons, she can't do it herself. And here we would have 2 choices: 1) We do what he orders us to do, but we negotiate what the "money or sex" payment will be 2) We told Benjanin Black-Briar about Mjoll's plan and she may end up as a VIP whore in the "secret room (follower) can't go there)" blackmail or the drug "skooma(?) where he won't remember what happened".

 

The second idea was that an NPC like Farkas can come to the brothel (of course face covered) and he wants the PC to have his face covered too (he doesn't need to see who we are) "special requirements are more gold"

 

It's such a loose idea, but I'll hear if you like it.

[Clea Strange]

I believe I mentioned this suggestion once already.

 

We are hired to travel to the different imperial/stormcloak camps all over the map and offer our services. Course we would need an escort or escorts to protect us as we travel, I mean we shouldn't be fighting at all.

 

Another suggestion

 

Extend our services to Bandits and maybe forsworn

[43deadwood]

42 minutes ago, Clea Strange said:

I believe I mentioned this suggestion once already.

 

We are hired to travel to the different imperial/stormcloak camps all over the map and offer our services. Course we would need an escort or escorts to protect us as we travel, I mean we shouldn't be fighting at all.

 

Another suggestion

 

Extend our services to Bandits and maybe forsworn

Both of these options are currently available with Public Whore with visits to stormcloak camps being a repeatable event. PW provides a free horse at Windhelm stables so that the player can ride to the camps.

[xtrange988]

11 hours ago, Clea Strange said:

Extend our services to Bandits and maybe forsworn

 

That would be an interesting twist if you annoy Benjen too much he sells you to a nearby bandit clan. But that could be too much out of the scope of the mod, it will fall fully into the slavery theme. Interesting none the less. You can't offer your service to bandits because they will probable rape the player and keep the money, but it should be an option anyway, with a high probability of failure. 

 

Forsworn are entirely another can of worms. It should be only relatively safe for Madanach faction or Druadach Redoubt.

 

Idea:

 

- Allow dangerous prostitution in jail. But they pay you in food and water or  skooma, shivs and lockpicks. That would play nicely with mods that add jail population, longer sentences, survival mods. And the player could even persuade a guard (the ai leaves the door open after walking out of the jail) making possible a escape from places where is impossible without a lockpicks or telekinesis (morthal, falkreath, dawnstar).

 

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by xtrange988

[ruddycray]

On 2/7/2023 at 6:33 AM, killer905 said:

Mjoll she's an enemy of the Black-Briar family so I guess something could be done around that.

 

My idea is that Mjoll gives us a look around the Black-Briar brothel because there are supposedly secret meetings in some secret room in the basement. For obvious reasons, she can't do it herself. And here we would have 2 choices: 1) We do what he orders us to do, but we negotiate what the "money or sex" payment will be 2) We told Benjanin Black-Briar about Mjoll's plan and she may end up as a VIP whore in the "secret room (follower) can't go there)" blackmail or the drug "skooma(?) where he won't remember what happened".

 

The second idea was that an NPC like Farkas can come to the brothel (of course face covered) and he wants the PC to have his face covered too (he doesn't need to see who we are) "special requirements are more gold"

 

It's such a loose idea, but I'll hear if you like it.

 

Some involvement from Mjoll is a possibility. I don't know how much direct involvement I'd give her in a scenario where you rat her out, because that kind of thing skirts a little close to the feeling of sex stuff grafted onto the game that I'm trying to avoid.

 

Something like your second idea is also a possibility, but I'd have to give it some thought. The premise isn't bad. I do try to avoid pulling in too many vanilla characters, because it can very quickly get to where it feels weird that someone doesn't recognize you, but if the situation is engineered so that neither of you would recognize each other, it might work.

 

On 2/7/2023 at 6:40 AM, Clea Strange said:

I believe I mentioned this suggestion once already.

 

We are hired to travel to the different imperial/stormcloak camps all over the map and offer our services. Course we would need an escort or escorts to protect us as we travel, I mean we shouldn't be fighting at all.

 

Another suggestion

 

Extend our services to Bandits and maybe forsworn

 

The coming update will definitely have more ability to entertain at camps. It's already implemented. I don't know about escorts by then, but I don't dislike the idea.

 

Something involving bandits is not altogether out of the question, but I'd have to think about how I'd want it to work. Forsworn are fanatics, so I'm less enthusiastic about that.

 

On 2/7/2023 at 6:10 PM, xtrange988 said:

 

That would be an interesting twist if you annoy Benjen too much he sells you to a nearby bandit clan. But that could be too much out of the scope of the mod, it will fall fully into the slavery theme. Interesting none the less. You can't offer your service to bandits because they will probable rape the player and keep the money, but it should be an option anyway, with a high probability of failure. 

 

Forsworn are entirely another can of worms. It should be only relatively safe for Madanach faction or Druadach Redoubt.

 

Idea:

 

- Allow dangerous prostitution in jail. But they pay you in food and water or  skooma, shivs and lockpicks. That would play nicely with mods that add jail population, longer sentences, survival mods. And the player could even persuade a guard (the ai leaves the door open after walking out of the jail) making possible a escape from places where is impossible without a lockpicks or telekinesis (morthal, falkreath, dawnstar).

 

 

 

Slavery stuff is incredibly difficult to make fun, in my opinion. Having your movement constrained and no real things to do gets old really, really fast. If I do anything with bandits, it will probably be where they come to the brothels (they are located outside of town walls, after all) or someone hires you to go to a camp. I don't think I'd make rape and keep the money a likely outcome in that case, because then why would any prostitute ever agree to go with them? I am probably not going to go the way of letting you just stroll into a bandit camp unsolicited and try to offer services there, because I think that unbalances the game and doesn't feel like it fits.

 

Something in the jails is definitely a possibility.