bm2x Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 After playing a new character for several hours, my game suddenly takes several minutes to save/load my file. I've seen that certain Nordic Ruins locations will cause "save bloat" which makes crazy large save file sizes and (ah-ha!) makes saving/loading the game file take a looong time. Now, while I can't pinpoint the Cause of my problems to any specific location or quest or item or really anything aside from if I play for long enough total time on any given save it will do this to me and make me cry like a little baby girl. Is there any remedy for save bloat, which is what I think my problem is, or any MOD or something that I can use to prevent this from happening or am I doomed to a lifetime of waiting longer than I feel I should need to wait in order to save or load my files?
Seijin8 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, bm2x said: After playing a new character for several hours, my game suddenly takes several minutes to save/load my file. I've seen that certain Nordic Ruins locations will cause "save bloat" which makes crazy large save file sizes and (ah-ha!) makes saving/loading the game file take a looong time. Now, while I can't pinpoint the Cause of my problems to any specific location or quest or item or really anything aside from if I play for long enough total time on any given save it will do this to me and make me cry like a little baby girl. Is there any remedy for save bloat, which is what I think my problem is, or any MOD or something that I can use to prevent this from happening or am I doomed to a lifetime of waiting longer than I feel I should need to wait in order to save or load my files? Use Crash Fixes. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725
bm2x Posted August 26, 2019 Author Posted August 26, 2019 I have that. It didn't seem to get this problem.
Seijin8 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, bm2x said: I have that. It didn't seem to get this problem. Save bloat after a few hours is very not normal. You're not providing much to work with. Saying that Nordic Ruins cause save bloat just says the issue maybe has to do with that, and is maybe a bad mod interaction. Would need a papyrus log, load order, etc to do anything more.
bm2x Posted August 26, 2019 Author Posted August 26, 2019 My load order is as follows: 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp 3 3 PubicMeshColorRE.esm 4 4 ApachiiHair.esm 5 5 SexLab.esm 6 6 SexLabAroused.esm 7 7 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 8 8 AP Skyrim.esm 9 9 hdtHighHeel.esm 10 a moonpath.esm 11 b ZaZAnimationPack.esm 12 c SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 13 d Ring Set.esp VenomSymbiote.esp 14 e ring of crafting.esp 15 f overpowered incinerate.esp testquest.esp 16 10 unrelenting force overpowered.esp 17 11 Helgen Reborn.esp 18 12 templeofkynarethhsp.esp 19 13 zarzoforxe.esp 20 14 sneak set.esp 21 15 tibicus.esp 22 16 3BeautifulFollowers.esp 23 17 godsword.esp Glamazon.esp 24 18 huntersgear.esp 25 19 caliente's beautiful bodies edition.esp dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp 26 1a Extended Slider Colors.esp 27 1b KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 28 1c SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp 29 1d UIExtensions.esp 30 1e AddItemMenu.esp 31 1f RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 32 20 BTG_CheatSpell.esp 33 21 PowderMammothTusks.esp 34 22 DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp 35 23 Sevi Graa.esp 36 24 Fachry Nabu Follower.esp 37 25 RaceMenu.esp 38 26 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 39 27 SexLab Cumshot.esp 40 28 SkyUI.esp 41 29 SexLabDefeat.esp 42 2a SOS - ERF - HighPoly Addon.esp 43 2b SOS - ERF - HighPoly Equipable.esp 44 2c SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 45 2d SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 46 2e SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 47 2f BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp 48 30 ChillPill.esp 49 31 TL_BareArmor.esp 50 32 TL_FakeCloth.esp 51 33 Vivada Briar.esp 52 34 SOSRaceMenu.esp 53 35 XPMSE.esp 54 36 FNIS.esp 55 37 RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp 56 38 DQ3SageOutfit.esp 57 39 Ebony_MorningStar.esp 58 3a KCEBattleClaws.esp 59 3b Roto.esp 60 3c goldenshower.esp 61 3d The Golden Touch.esp 62 3e moonpath_questdata.esp 63 3f BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp 64 40 Random Alternate Start.esp 65 41 Arkris store.esp 66 42 zayl the merchant.esp 67 43 drop_skulls_sp0ckrates.esp 68 44 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 69 45 SOS - Shop.esp 70 46 soulstoskills.esp 71 47 isilNarsil.esp 72 48 TemptressVixen.esp 73 49 Stattic001.esp 74 4a Gifts of Akatosh.esp 75 4b overpowered assassin bow.esp 76 4c chest of goodies.esp tallonoverworld.esp 77 4d DWCool_Redguards.esp 78 4e SexLab Eager NPCs.esp Arrowfiles.esp 79 4f Dragon Priest Dager.esp 80 50 vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp 81 51 DragonBoneBikini.esp variahelm.esp 82 52 Pain Spell.esp 83 53 enchants chest.esp 84 54 Cabbage LYFE.esp 85 55 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 86 56 Atom Bomb.esp 87 57 Manbreakerv1_1.esp 88 58 Gunrose Lykaios.esp 89 59 Mephista.esp 90 5a OpenUnlock.esp 91 5b CPaltmerfollower.esp 92 5c Winged Twilight.esp 93 5d Winged Twilight Companion.esp gauntletsgluttonouspower.esp 94 5e UnderC.esp and my Papyrus: [06/13/2019 - 02:00:48AM] Papyrus log opened (PC) [06/13/2019 - 02:00:48AM] Function GetEffectMagnitudes in the empty state on type Ingredient does not exist. Function will not be flagged as callable from tasklets. [06/13/2019 - 02:00:48AM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms) [06/13/2019 - 02:00:48AM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total) [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Cannot open store for class "AACourierendQuestZindar", missing file? [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Cannot open store for class "QF_AAACourierquestZindar_0206A3E6", missing file? [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Error: Unable to bind script QF_AAACourierquestZindar_0206A3E6 to AAACourierquestZindar (1606A3E6) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Cannot open store for class "sam_questscript", missing file? [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Cannot open store for class "daymoyl_QuestTemplate", missing file? [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Error: Unable to link "daymoyl_QuestTemplate" - the parent of "Defeatdadefeated". [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Error: Unable to bind script Defeatdadefeated to DefeatPADefeated (420C16D8) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Cannot open store for class "daymoyl_PlayerValidateQuestAlias", missing file? [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Error: Unable to bind script defeatdatrigger to DefeatPlayerQST (42000D62) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:00:57AM] Error: Unable to bind script DefeatDALeftForDead to DefeatPALeftForDead (420C1173) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Property MyDamBed on script aaSexHouseCarlBreezeHomeSleepScript attached to alias Housecarl on quest aaSexWhoreHouseWhiterun (0B0253AF) cannot be bound because <NULL form> (000CB42C) is not the right type [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script AACourierendQuestZindar to alias Surgus on quest AAACourierquestZindar (1606A3E6) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script AASoldierDies to alias AAKingSpouse on quest AAKingSkyrim (16006E8B) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script daymoyl_PlayerValidateQuestAlias to alias PlayerRef on quest DefeatPlayerQST (42000D62) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenAdeptPerk_01000D64 attached to (3D000D64) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenAdeptPerk_01000D64 attached to (3D000D64) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenMasterPerk_01000D66 attached to (3D000D66) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenMasterPerk_01000D66 attached to (3D000D66) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenNovicePerk_01000D62 attached to (3D000D62) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenNovicePerk_01000D62 attached to (3D000D62) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property Alias_PlayerBed on script QF_aaSexScene06_010253BA attached to aaSexScene06 (0B0253BA) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property Alias_PlayerCliant on script QF_aaSexScene06_010253BA attached to aaSexScene06 (0B0253BA) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenApprenticePerk_01000D63 attached to (3D000D63) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenApprenticePerk_01000D63 attached to (3D000D63) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenExpertPerk_01000D65 attached to (3D000D65) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenExpertPerk_01000D65 attached to (3D000D65) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_LockPerk_0100388A attached to (3D00388A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_LockPerk_0100388A attached to (3D00388A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] VM is freezing... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] VM is frozen [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Reverting game... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script Defeatdadefeated to DefeatPADefeated (420C16D8) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script QF_AAACourierquestZindar_0206A3E6 to AAACourierquestZindar (1606A3E6) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script DefeatDALeftForDead to DefeatPALeftForDead (420C1173) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script defeatdatrigger to DefeatPlayerQST (42000D62) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script daymoyl_PlayerValidateQuestAlias to alias PlayerRef on quest DefeatPlayerQST (42000D62) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script AASoldierDies to alias AAKingSpouse on quest AAKingSkyrim (16006E8B) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Unable to bind script AACourierendQuestZindar to alias Surgus on quest AAACourierquestZindar (1606A3E6) because their base types do not match [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenAdeptPerk_01000D64 attached to (3D000D64) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenAdeptPerk_01000D64 attached to (3D000D64) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenMasterPerk_01000D66 attached to (3D000D66) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenMasterPerk_01000D66 attached to (3D000D66) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenNovicePerk_01000D62 attached to (3D000D62) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenNovicePerk_01000D62 attached to (3D000D62) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] Error: Property MyDamBed on script aaSexHouseCarlBreezeHomeSleepScript attached to alias Housecarl on quest aaSexWhoreHouseWhiterun (0B0253AF) cannot be bound because <NULL form> (000CB42C) is not the right type [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property Alias_PlayerBed on script QF_aaSexScene06_010253BA attached to aaSexScene06 (0B0253BA) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:03AM] warning: Property Alias_PlayerCliant on script QF_aaSexScene06_010253BA attached to aaSexScene06 (0B0253BA) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenExpertPerk_01000D65 attached to (3D000D65) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenExpertPerk_01000D65 attached to (3D000D65) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_OpenApprenticePerk_01000D63 attached to (3D000D63) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_OpenApprenticePerk_01000D63 attached to (3D000D63) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pGameDaysPassed on script PRKF_LockPerk_0100388A attached to (3D00388A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:04AM] warning: Property pDoomTowerCountGlobal on script PRKF_LockPerk_0100388A attached to (3D00388A) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] Loading game... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] VM is thawing... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] SEXLAB - LOADED: Version 16200 / 16200 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] SexLab MCM Loaded CurrentVerison: 16200 / 16200 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] FNIS AA started (load) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] SOS Maintenance: loaded version is 300004 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] SOS Maintenance: 300004 is update [06/13/2019 - 02:01:09AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: starting maintenance... Update frequency 120.000000 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: Compatibility checking [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: ------------------------------------------------------- [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: SexLab version: 16200 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: SlaveTats version: [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: registered for maintenance [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: RaceMenu version: 7 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: Non SexLab Animation Pack version: 0 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: ------------------------------------------------------- [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: SexLab support: TRUE [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: Overlay support: False [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: Non SexLab Animation support: False [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] zbfExternal: ------------------------------------------------------- [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: starting maintenance... Update frequency 120.000000 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] InitWidgetLoader() [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: registered for maintenance [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAprefixList mod: XPMSE nMods: 4 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:10AM] FNIS aa GetAAsetList mod: XPMSE nSets: 58 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:12AM] Error: File "dawnguard.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [SLSF_Configuration (0A016AB9)].slsf_configuration.UpdateLocationsList() - "SLSF_Configuration.psc" Line 350 [SLSF_Misc (0A01757F)].slsf_utility.CheckExtensionPresence() - "SLSF_Utility.psc" Line 209 [alias PC Monitor on quest SLSF_Monitor (0A0185A7)].slsf_monitor.Maintenance() - "SLSF_Monitor.psc" Line 56 [alias PC Monitor on quest SLSF_Monitor (0A0185A7)].slsf_monitor.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "SLSF_Monitor.psc" Line 43 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:12AM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded. stack: <unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ? [SLSF_Configuration (0A016AB9)].slsf_configuration.UpdateLocationsList() - "SLSF_Configuration.psc" Line 362 [SLSF_Misc (0A01757F)].slsf_utility.CheckExtensionPresence() - "SLSF_Utility.psc" Line 209 [alias PC Monitor on quest SLSF_Monitor (0A0185A7)].slsf_monitor.Maintenance() - "SLSF_Monitor.psc" Line 56 [alias PC Monitor on quest SLSF_Monitor (0A0185A7)].slsf_monitor.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "SLSF_Monitor.psc" Line 43 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:13AM] XPMSE MainQuest Initialization successful. [06/13/2019 - 02:01:22AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]:Defered maintenance... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:22AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: Enabled Desire spell [06/13/2019 - 02:01:22AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: Updated notification key to 49 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:22AM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (07042D62)>]: finished maintenance [06/13/2019 - 02:01:40AM] Info: *Achievement 43 awarded - a winnar is you!* [06/13/2019 - 02:01:40AM] SLEN Main - Info: detected Dragon Souls Collected event 1 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Main - Info: processing dragon soul absorb exposure with value 25 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] [slaUtilScr <sla_Framework (0704290F)>]: Runis the Sultry got 50 exposure for absorbing a dragon soul (SLEN) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Main - Info: processing dragon kill witnesses [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: changing scanning distance to 2800 [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: processing references... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 1 lovers [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 0 allies [06/13/2019 - 02:01:41AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 0 confidants [06/13/2019 - 02:01:42AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 0 friends [06/13/2019 - 02:01:42AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 0 rapists [06/13/2019 - 02:01:42AM] SLEN Scanner - Info: found 3 bystanders [06/13/2019 - 02:01:42AM] [slaUtilScr <sla_Framework (0704290F)>]: Nabu got 160 exposure for witnessing a dragon kill (SLEN) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:45AM] [slaUtilScr <sla_Framework (0704290F)>]: Whiterun Guard got 160 exposure for witnessing a dragon kill (SLEN) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:45AM] [slaUtilScr <sla_Framework (0704290F)>]: Whiterun Guard got 160 exposure for witnessing a dragon kill (SLEN) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:46AM] [slaUtilScr <sla_Framework (0704290F)>]: Whiterun Guard got 160 exposure for witnessing a dragon kill (SLEN) [06/13/2019 - 02:01:46AM] SLEN Main - Info: first dragon kill, skipping event to let main quest progress without interruption [06/13/2019 - 02:01:52AM] VM is freezing... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:52AM] VM is frozen [06/13/2019 - 02:01:53AM] Saving game... [06/13/2019 - 02:01:53AM] VM is thawing...
Seijin8 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 The only thing I'm seeing in the load order that *could* cause this is Overpowered Unrelenting Force. Save bloat can result from *lots* of objects being moved around. A lot of those mods I don't recognize, and I can only assume the UO Patch is severely out of date given that it preexisted the USLEEP merge. Have you used a save game script cleaner? The papyrus log looks suspiciously clean. Also looks to have started either right as a battle ended or in the middle of one. Combat saves are to be avoided. Maybe keep all papyrus logging active and play for a few minutes to see if more data is collected. As it stands, there isn't anything there related to your issues.
bm2x Posted August 26, 2019 Author Posted August 26, 2019 Okay, I will see if I play and the problem re-presents itself. I do appreciate you trying to help. :-)
Grey Cloud Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 Try this https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3786-netimmerse-override-cleaner-skse-co-save-cleaner-utility/ It might help but you will still need to track down what is causing it in the first place.
GenioMaestro Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 11 hours ago, bm2x said: crazy large save file sizes Open your savegame with ReSaver and look the Active Script section. Must have less than 50. If you have thousand or more press the plus simbol and try identify the mod that is generating it.
yatol Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 14 hours ago, bm2x said: I've seen that certain Nordic Ruins locations will cause "save bloat" which makes crazy large save file sizes and (ah-ha!) didn't saw that, and since i did everything in tamriel, dlc and mods, that include all those nordic ruins why post load order or papyrus log instead of checking your sav, if the mess is in your save? it's 2 min to find it, load crazy large save, mod editor, skyrim.esm x record, dawnguard.esm y record, mod.esp z record you don't see anything strange? no need to, open not crazy large save, and compare x, y z.... one is much more bigger? the mess come from that mod then either you get rid of that mod, either you search that mess in it to fix it
RohZima Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 I have this problem on LE I think it's something to do with windows or the operating system environment rather than a mod, because it has gone away and come back. No problem in SE.. Edit: Well my saves are normal size it's just the "thaw" stage of saving takes much longer than normal even for quite new characters.
27X Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, RohZima said: I have this problem on LE I think it's something to do with windows or the operating system environment rather than a mod, because it has gone away and come back. No problem in SE.. Edit: Well my saves are normal size it's just the "thaw" stage of saving takes much longer than normal even for quite new characters. None of the words combined in this post are factually accurate or true, which is pretty typical of sse evangelists. A bad mod on LE will be a bad mod in SSE, and gigantic memory overhead doesn't fix bad scripts or poorly implemented mods, and papyrus and the string table in both versions will die due to either.
RohZima Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 Lol, I don't know why you refer to me as an SSE evangelist, not that I mind. I have both set up and play them both, though my SE is more stable. This long saving time for new saves or quick saves over previous doesn't seem to be a mod issue. And when I talked about "thaw" I was referring to the VM is thawing... that is written to the papyrus logs when you save the game. There was a point a few months back, on a previous PC that I fixed it for a while, but I had only made changes to windows. I can't remember what it was unfortunately but my vague memory was it was Visual C++ or some type of middleware that I changed for an unrelated reason then noticed the problem was gone. Maybe my recollection is total crap or irrelevant but I am just throwing it in there. I am now on a much better PC but the problem persists.
bm2x Posted August 28, 2019 Author Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 2:00 PM, yatol said: didn't saw that, and since i did everything in tamriel, dlc and mods, that include all those nordic ruins why post load order or papyrus log instead of checking your sav, if the mess is in your save? it's 2 min to find it, load crazy large save, mod editor, skyrim.esm x record, dawnguard.esm y record, mod.esp z record you don't see anything strange? no need to, open not crazy large save, and compare x, y z.... one is much more bigger? the mess come from that mod then either you get rid of that mod, either you search that mess in it to fix it found that Forelhost has a bug in which it causes "save bloat" off of The Unoffical Edler Scrolls Page where they have: "Forelhost creates huge save bloat. Use wait menu for 31 days to reset cells" and that {seemed} to be at/about where/when I would notice all my save/load times would take WAY longer than they had been. I posted the Papyrus log at the request of Seijin8 I am playing truly vanilla (I have SE but it is unmodded) soFallrimTools will not work for me if I am to understand the author of that. AND, I am unaware of how to open my sav in order to go through it as you had specified.
yatol Posted August 29, 2019 Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 4:58 AM, bm2x said: found that Forelhost has a bug in which it causes "save bloat" off of The Unoffical Edler Scrolls Page where they have: "Forelhost creates huge save bloat. Use wait menu for 31 days to reset cells" unof patch? and he didn't bother fixing whatever problem that come from? if that problem doesn't come from unof patch nothing about save bloat on not unof patch site, and most of those problems are because of reloading earlier save https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Siege_on_the_Dragon_Cult The lid on Rahgot's coffin will open, but Rahgot may not emerge from it. he got killed, load earlier save instead of alt f4 to restart the game, so the game that didn't unload ironarmor.dds, or questx.pex, use that from your ram when you get near the coffin, and the wake up can only be done once, so the second time, no wake up Skorm Snow-Strider's Journal may have fallen under the desk it is supposed to be on and become unreachable. why would it fall under the desk? meshe replaced by mod x that is bigger that clip with the desk, and is send flying because of collision? if that clip with the table, you move it highter for it to not clip The last swinging gate trap in Forelhost Crypt will activate, even if you are sneaking and have the Light Foot perk. a trap that work on weight, is supposed to not work if you don't make sound? who made that "bug" list? On 8/28/2019 at 4:58 AM, bm2x said: I am playing truly vanilla (I have SE but it is unmodded) soFallrimTools will not work for me you choosed to play nothing special edition on your own free will to wait for everyone to port their stuff to it you were expecting them to do it? ps: unof patch is a mod a mod with flag esm that lose all conflicts, that edit some skyrim quests, and come with edited scripts for those edits, that are problems if you dare use better quests objective without a patch, or a mod that edit reward without a patch, or anything that also edit one of those quests
Grey Cloud Posted August 29, 2019 Posted August 29, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 3:58 AM, bm2x said: I am playing truly vanilla (I have SE but it is unmodded) If you are running SE then you are in the wrong place. SE has its own section. If you really have no mods then the problem is with your installed game and nobody can help with that.
bm2x Posted August 30, 2019 Author Posted August 30, 2019 No, I have BOTH vanilla and SE. My SE version (because it has so much more anyway) I left without it being modded and instead only modded my vanilla game (no expansions etc) because it has so little going on. The site is not an unofficial patch site, it is a wiki-esque site supported and maintained by players. That's the reason I like using [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page] instead of, say [https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki] is because it has more information from people who play instead of just game mechanics and data sheets. I feel like Yatol has good knowledge and information, but I am having trouble understanding the posts? The language is unclear and I do not know what you are telling me to do, or assuming that I did? I have mods, and I have been having problems with the whole modding process from the get-go. My process is and always has been to find mod XYZ and see what it does, then do research on XYZ mod to see if other people are complaining of the same problems/bugs/etc. If it looks good and playable, I download it and then install it, run LOOT, then FNIS and then create a new character to get a fresh start and not cause problems with trying to run a new mod on an already started game. 9 of 10 times everything works fine. I've got bad mods before that just flat out CTD and I've uninstalled them and no problems. The only 2 problems that I haven't nailed down are this one (excessive save/load times and huge save files) and occasionally a mod will completely stop working (cbbe was the latest to do this) but then after a little while (couple hours to a couple weeks) it will start working again on the same save, with nothing changed other than elapsed time. I really don't like trying to ask others for help because I'm not stupid, and I don't like being a burden on other people, but when I can't figure something out on my own I try to go somewhere that I am likely to get the best assistance. Again, anything I can do, or post or download or anything that could possibly better my play experience I will try, I'm sorry I just exhausted all my options. I'm frustrated. :/
yatol Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, bm2x said: The only 2 problems that I haven't nailed down are this one (excessive save/load times and huge save files) and occasionally a mod will completely stop working (cbbe was the latest to do this) but then after a little while (couple hours to a couple weeks) it will start working again on the same save, with nothing changed other than elapsed time. doesn't make any sense, cbbe it's just a nif, it either load right, either is distorded (_0 doesn't match _1), either ctd (bone pikachu in nif, no bone pikachu in skeleton, game have no idea what to do with that bone, game suicide itself) 1 hour ago, bm2x said: The site is not an unofficial patch site, it is a wiki-esque site supported and maintained by players. That's the reason I like using [https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page] instead of, say [https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki] is because it has more information from people who play instead of just game mechanics and data sheets. most of the "experts" have no idea what they are talking about, since they have no idea where their "bug" is coming from if you ignore the run loot and whatever bullshit that can't do much, and start looking for conflicts to fix them, then you really no longer have problems
Grey Cloud Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 6 hours ago, bm2x said: My SE version (because it has so much more anyway) I left without it being modded and instead only modded my vanilla game (no expansions etc) because it has so little going on. SE and LE are exactly the same game with no difference in content.
yatol Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: SE and LE are exactly the same game with no difference in content. wasn't there a topic about sse? where few weren't much expecting nothing from nothing special edition if i remember the list - sse have another snow shader (there are mods for that for skyrim) - sse make river water collide with some rock (you convert skyrim.esm to sse to compare, nothing hard to put in skyrim if you want it) - sse isn't 32 bit, you no longer need enbhost.exe to use more than 3.2 gb, oh wait they were limited to 4gb with windows don't remember, so 32 or 64 bit was making no difference to their ram ctd - sse add some plants in some towns that should be most of it exe is 64 bit, it's not much to sell sse, so they did small things to be able to say they did more than port skyrim esm and bsa to fallout engine (don't give a shit about the blabla it's not the same as fallout engine, there's small differences, so what, there's some between skyrim engine and oblivion engine, it's the same engine, with updates) why not do something with that windhelm arena stuff in skyrim bsa? or the losing side of civil war just doing some camping? carriage attack you need carriage that work for that, and for now it's teleportation to another town because sse it's just selling skyrim again to the ones stupid enought to believe it's really special
bm2x Posted September 3, 2019 Author Posted September 3, 2019 SE and LE are the same, correct, but I am playing literally vanilla with no expansions (<-modded) and I also have se (<- with expansions included but no mods) I actually figured out my issue, and it has nothing to with conflicting mods, or nordic ruins or any of that other stuff, and I feel rather foolish. I showed a friend of mine what was happening and he looked at my mod order and noticed I had a few papyrus script heavy mods (Hlegen Reborn, Moonpath, etc) and he actually showed me his save size that he had that was just over 2GB due to running script heavy mods. He said all i does is make you wait and that sucks, but otherwise there's really nothing you can do about it aside from deleting the mods. I'm not saying that you guys aren't helpful or haven't been helpful, I guess it is just different when you're actually looking at someone's setup as opposed to a text wall. :-)
Grey Cloud Posted September 3, 2019 Posted September 3, 2019 8 hours ago, bm2x said: vanilla with no expansions (<-modded) If you are saying you have Skyrim without the DLC but with mods then that will be part of your problem. Many mods requires one or more of the DLCs. Ask your friend to define script-heavy and to explain why it causes bloat.
yatol Posted September 3, 2019 Posted September 3, 2019 13 hours ago, bm2x said: I had a few papyrus script heavy mods (Hlegen Reborn, Moonpath, etc) and he actually showed me his save size that he had that was just over 2GB he is just saying random bullshit here's a save with all those mods, and probably much more, that is fine
bm2x Posted September 4, 2019 Author Posted September 4, 2019 10 hours ago, yatol said: he is just saying random bullshit here's a save with all those mods, and probably much more, that is fine Yes, what is the size of the file that the game makes for that save?
yatol Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 7 hours ago, bm2x said: Yes, what is the size of the file that the game makes for that save? after a few month of adding and adding quests mods, stop keeping them in load order, now i go back to earlier save when i am done with a mod why? because more stuff with persistant flag in more worldspaces, that's longer to load
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