guide Fallout IV for Beginners - V3.2.9 (Outdated)

[YuFeng]

On 5/27/2024 at 2:04 PM, YuFeng said:

I did try this thing here. It also prevents updating and allows to use the new files the update brought.

 

Simple Fallout 4 Downgrader

 

So far it works quite nicely.

 

Update on that: While playing works like a charm with this thing, I couldn't get the Creation Kit to work, so went over to the other option mentioned by Aylis above, and with that it works. It is more work of course, but the results are solid.

[SgtPorkchop91]

On 5/28/2024 at 3:50 PM, Aylis said:

My old HDD died last week, thankfully i could replace it with a bigger NVME for my games and now have all on one drive.

 

The downgrade of Fallout 4 to version 1.10.1630 worked flawlessly.

 so does this mean your very first post and all the linked mods in that post should work?

[Aylis]

On 6/1/2024 at 8:44 AM, SgtPorkchop91 said:

 so does this mean your very first post and all the linked mods in that post should work?

Yes

 

[YuFeng]

There will be an update to the guide soon though if I'm not completely mistaken to include more up-to-date mods and stuff.

 

Also, some mods in the list have been deleted from Nexus and aren't available anymore.

 

And there seems to be another problem. UFO4P requires the NG version now and there are no older files to download. The game seems to run with the pre-NG version, but who knows what problems this will cause.

Edited June 2, 2024 by YuFeng

[DarthNyriss]

On 6/1/2024 at 7:44 AM, SgtPorkchop91 said:

 so does this mean your very first post and all the linked mods in that post should work?

 

I've been following Aylis's list almost been she started - it just works.

 

(I had to...you know I had to....)

[snuffyluffy]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:56 AM, Aylis said:

Yes

 

Wha? But what about the issues with the guns and exploding NPCs? I was trying to use the newly removed/added mods mentioned a few posts ago and it was working well. Except for the new AIO Rebuild and Sanctuary. Huge chunks of the road are missing and the ground level is just off. I think I'll need to wait for the new and improved version of this list. 

[DarthNyriss]

Something to consider for bobbleheads:  https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/81684

[YuFeng]

Another thing for Bobbleheads.... new ones even. There also is a new mod with many of the fixes in the guide merged in it and the revival of Subway Runner does look pretty interesting too.

[YuFeng]

Also, ZeX-ZBG is not available anymore. Apparently, the mod author cracked under the stupidity of the people and removed it.

 

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SynthOverboss — gestern um 23:01 Uhr

ZBG won't be returning. I'm tired of dealing with supporting it, especially considering I literally have made a whole ass mod page that covers all the potential questions and issues that could come with it and people choose to be idiots, not read, then come here or to my DMs demanding I fix it and screaming about how I broke their games or made their favorite NPCs ugly because they're fat or whatever bullshit.

[23:02]

It's extremely tiring to have to answer the same fucking questions because people are too self centered or idiotic to take the 5 minutes of fucking reading to figure out an issue of their own and I have had it. I already said that ZBG support is very much "You're on your own" but people seem to ignore that and get angry and throw tantrums at me because I am not giving them personalized fixes and attention to a mod I have said I don't really support (Bearbeitet)

[23:05]

And the behavior has just gotten worse. I consistently tell people DO NOT DM ME ANYWHERE for support and yet I get spammed at various hours of the day/night with support requests and rude attitudes when I ignore or tell them to use the discords. SO I'm doing what I need to do to protect my god damn sanity

 

 

Diverse Bodies might be an alternative we could use now. It is quite easy to configure too, but for some reason, half of the information is inside the video and its description on YouTube...

 

 

Edit: Sliders are now available in the discord on their own.

Edited June 11, 2024 by YuFeng

[SgtPorkchop91]

On 5/11/2024 at 4:07 PM, Aylis said:

Hunting/Sniper Rifle Have to find a working replacer.

 I used the weapon replacer of cyanide. AX50 replacer.
Not sure if it is replicable, but I found that TR Framework somehow makes replaced vanilla weapons look disassembled while holding

[YuFeng]

Since most of us have downgraded, there still are the new CC remaining and with the mod for using the new BSA files, they can even be used. In that case, the mods (others linked in the mod description) that prevent their quest starts when exiting Vault 111 might be interesting.

[vaultbait]

On 6/5/2024 at 2:27 PM, YuFeng said:

Also, ZeX-ZBG is not available anymore. Apparently, the mod author cracked under the stupidity of the people and removed it.

 

Diverse Bodies might be an alternative we could use now. It is quite easy to configure too, but for some reason, half of the information is inside the video and its description on YouTube...

 

BodyGen isn't hard to configure, the configs in ZBG were merely examples but I'm happy to share the custom ones I use. LooksMenu's documentation for configuring BodyGen yourself is fairly complete too, but it helps to have some samples to experiment with.

 

What ZBG also shipped that isn't as easily replaced is LooksMneu slider data for FG and BT body replacers. I'm talking to the author to find out if that could be shipped independently or merged back into the body replacer mods directly.

[YuFeng]

On 6/8/2024 at 3:59 PM, vaultbait said:

 

BodyGen isn't hard to configure, the configs in ZBG were merely examples but I'm happy to share the custom ones I use. LooksMenu's documentation for configuring BodyGen yourself is fairly complete too, but it helps to have some samples to experiment with.

 

What ZBG also shipped that isn't as easily replaced is LooksMneu slider data for FG and BT body replacers. I'm talking to the author to find out if that could be shipped independently or merged back into the body replacer mods directly.

 

It certainly isn't too hard to do it yourself, but it is supposed to be a guide for beginners, so having something to download and shove into MO2 is needed. 

 

And yeah, the sliders are a problem indeed if we can't recycle them from ZBG.

 

Edit: And it looks like deleting the mod won't save him from people who ask for help about it in the discord hehe...

Edited June 9, 2024 by YuFeng

[whoflungdung]

currently a fair way through this guide now. is it a problem that im unable to get the "ZBG - ZeX BodyGen & LooksMenu Morphs"?

[YuFeng]

3 minutes ago, whoflungdung said:

currently a fair way through this guide now. is it a problem that im unable to get the "ZBG - ZeX BodyGen & LooksMenu Morphs"?

 

No that does work quite like it was intended. See the conversation right above your post for more details...

[YuFeng]

Atom Cats Drag Race Start Fix can be removed. It has been added to UFO4P in 2.1.4 and 2.1.5 is the last pre-NG version of it, so it is safe to use.

 

@vaultbait The sliders are now available in his discord.

Edited June 11, 2024 by YuFeng

[wollboi]

Have a weird bug that I can't find anyone else having. In third person view, I'm unable to click on anything and my cursor is right in the middle of the character's head. In first person, everything is completely normal. I figure this has to be a mod setting, but I can't find any likely culprit in the MCM.

[vaultbait]

3 minutes ago, wollboi said:

Have a weird bug that I can't find anyone else having. In third person view, I'm unable to click on anything and my cursor is right in the middle of the character's head. In first person, everything is completely normal. I figure this has to be a mod setting, but I can't find any likely culprit in the MCM.

 

Did you knowingly install any mods that alter the third-person camera? In particular, they have a tendency to conflict with High Heel System, but can also create problems just on their own sometimes (especially if you accidentally install more than one).

[wollboi]

1 hour ago, vaultbait said:

 

Did you knowingly install any mods that alter the third-person camera? In particular, they have a tendency to conflict with High Heel System, but can also create problems just on their own sometimes (especially if you accidentally install more than one).

Nope. I'm trying to get the list to run with the NG update, so I guess I shouldn't worry about it too much. There are a number of problems still, although it seems stable for the most part.

[vaultbait]

On 6/8/2024 at 1:59 PM, vaultbait said:

BodyGen isn't hard to configure, the configs in ZBG were merely examples but I'm happy to share the custom ones I use. LooksMenu's documentation for configuring BodyGen yourself is fairly complete too, but it helps to have some samples to experiment with.

 

What ZBG also shipped that isn't as easily replaced is LooksMneu slider data for FG and BT body replacers. I'm talking to the author to find out if that could be shipped independently or merged back into the body replacer mods directly.

 

Just to follow up on this earlier discussion, yesterday I uploaded this:

 

 

[YuFeng]

Good. Then this is available again. Now the question is if Aylis wants to do tech support for the bodygen in here or not since apparently you have to do that if you include the bodygen stuff

[DarthNyriss]

Sorry to break the flow of the conversation but I need the advice of a modder.  I've got a bug somewhere that causes a section of road to just disappear the closer I get to it.  I know some mod somewhere isn't working or playing well with others, but my question is more why it's happening.  If we get into the whole precombines and previsibines thing, I might as well start over because that's all black magic. 

[YuFeng]

1 hour ago, DarthNyriss said:

Sorry to break the flow of the conversation but I need the advice of a modder.  I've got a bug somewhere that causes a section of road to just disappear the closer I get to it.  I know some mod somewhere isn't working or playing well with others, but my question is more why it's happening.  If we get into the whole precombines and previsibines thing, I might as well start over because that's all black magic. 

 

That does sound like a loadorder issue. Are you using the new rebuilt AIO thingy? If so, try moving the Rebuild_Settlements_Previs.esp to the bottom of your loadorder and see if that worked.

Edited June 14, 2024 by YuFeng

[vaultbait]

5 hours ago, YuFeng said:

Good. Then this is available again. Now the question is if Aylis wants to do tech support for the bodygen in here or not since apparently you have to do that if you include the bodygen stuff

 

I'm working on packaging up my personal BodyGen configs for BT3 and FG, but they need a bit of cleanup and refactoring before I'll be comfortable maintaining them as a proper mod. No promises but will probably finish it up within a couple of weeks. I'll definitely be making it a separate (and FOMOD-configurable) mod though, not baking it into ZIGS. Most of the support questions I fielded about ZBG were precisely because it included sample BodyGen configs enabled by default, so everyone who installed it to get LooksMenu support had the cognitive burden of understanding BodyGen dumped on them whether they wanted that or not (and usually figuring out how to disable it).

 

I do like, and use, BodyGen. I do not think it's something anyone should use without some basic preparation and understanding though, and it does necessarily change how you approach things like initial body/clothing replacer builds, preset management, etc.

[vaultbait]

5 hours ago, DarthNyriss said:

Sorry to break the flow of the conversation but I need the advice of a modder.  I've got a bug somewhere that causes a section of road to just disappear the closer I get to it.  I know some mod somewhere isn't working or playing well with others, but my question is more why it's happening.  If we get into the whole precombines and previsibines thing, I might as well start over because that's all black magic. 

 

You're describing the common symptoms of a previs conflict, yes. The way I usually handle that is to use Better Console to figure out exactly which cell I'm in, then load up all my enabled plugins in FO4Edit/zEdit and find that same cell's record. Look at all the plugins which are altering it and see if any are lowering or clearing the previs timestamp field. Then I play around a bit with making my mod manager reorder those plugins, usually putting the one with the highest previs timestamp after all the others. Sometimes it takes a bit of fiddling to get it right, and occasionally I end up with a nasty enough conflict that the only solutions are to either merge their cell edits in the CK or, more likely, just stop using whichever of those mods I like the least.

 

If you identify a mod conflict that's unresolveable through load order adjustments, it also may be courteous to notify the respective mod authors in case one of them wants to make a compatibility patch.