guide Skyrim SE for Beginners - V 3.2.6 (Outdated)

[idgaflulz]

52 minutes ago, Adviser69 said:

...oh shit. Just a question here, but how many users still having CTDs are using SD+ at the same time? Because SD+ has that exact same corrupted statue texture that SoD did.

What is the file name for the bad texture?

[Adviser69]

9 minutes ago, idgaflulz said:

What is the file name for the bad texture?

yoa08c_whitemarble.dds and yoa08h_whitemarble.dds

[idgaflulz]

47 minutes ago, Adviser69 said:

yoa08c_whitemarble.dds and yoa08h_whitemarble.dds

I removed those as well as tried disabling SDResources completely. I also found the facegen files you mentioned inside of Botox for Skyrim (but under dragonborn.esm folder instead of skyrim.esm folder) and disalbed those. I'm still getting a crash inside BrokenTowerRedoubt02. Very weird.

[Aylis]

@Adviser69

With 132 SD+ was running fine. It was one of the first mods i tested. Sadly with 'Random Sex' the cages and other torture devices (including the passenger) chase each other after a while… Amusing at first - annoying later.

 

Do you have access to 132? Otherwise i could send it to you if you want to take a look at it.

[Adviser69]

1 hour ago, Kythana said:

@Adviser69

With 132 SD+ was running fine. It was one of the first mods i tested. Sadly with 'Random Sex' the cages and other torture devices (including the passenger) chase each other after a while… Amusing at first - annoying later.

 

Do you have access to 132? Otherwise i could send it to you if you want to take a look at it.

Yeah, I have it. That's how I was able to fix the skirt bug with the pure outfit. And I wouldn't recommend using Random Sex. Often times it either works way too well or not at all. If anything, I would recommend Yinkle's Arousal Based Match Maker, which allows NPCs to engage in SL scenes based on their arousal level. It's definitely more subtle and lightweight in comparison, but just as effective.

2 hours ago, idgaflulz said:

I removed those as well as tried disabling SDResources completely. I also found the facegen files you mentioned inside of Botox for Skyrim (but under dragonborn.esm folder instead of skyrim.esm folder) and disalbed those. I'm still getting a crash inside BrokenTowerRedoubt02. Very weird.

Okay, another thought comes to mind. Do you use any child replacer mod, like RSChildren or TKAA? Fjotra was originally a child in the vanilla game. SoD makes her a teenage adult, so any child replacer mod will conflict unless it's loaded before SoD (if BSA), or removed (if loose file). I'm looking into other replacers as well to see what could cause the Broken Tower crash. I swear, that one problem has been a constant headache, even more so because I don't get it at all. Over a dozen times I loaded that mission over and over last night, and not a single crash was to be had. And this after deleting all my old attempts and freshly converting the mod from square one just yesterday morning.

[Aylis]

@Adviser69

I use RS-Children and the only conflicts i know of are those two:

On the other hand it still worked with this before. 

 

 

I'll take a look at Arousal Based Match Maker. Thanks for the suggestion. ?

 

 

Moving RS-Children doesn't help. Dang!

 

But i got an idea, Maybe that will work...

[cloudmc]

Not sure if Killable Children also would cause issues.  Based on Flower Girls description it  alters game mechanics by changing children to be seen as adults by the game engine.

[jaeos]

30 minutes ago, Kythana said:

@Adviser69

I use RS-Children and the only conflicts i know of are those two:

On the other hand it still worked with this before. 

 

 

I'll take a look at Arousal Based Match Maker. Thanks for the suggestion. ?

 

 

Got it!

It looks like it was RS-Children... Moved it above DS and the CTD is gone.

 

I'll run a few tests where to move it to permanently without causing another hidden bug. What i don't get is why it started to cause a problem after updating DS.

and i went a differnt route and deleted the reference to her in rs children and her face gen and her skin texture file and do not have a CTD now. but i was still getting it without 132. but SD+ is also above dibella in my load order.

[jaeos]

4 hours ago, Adviser69 said:

I did EVERYTHING in the conversion process right, I'm running the EXACT SAME mod conversion, and I'm getting no CTDs AT ALL. What the hell is so different about my system that I don't crash out?

Also, the 132 version wasn't my conversion, it was Roggvir's.

 

...oh shit. Just a question here, but how many users still having CTDs are using SD+ at the same time? Because SD+ has that exact same corrupted statue texture that SoD did.

 

Also, on an earlier comment, you need to delete those nif/dds files. Those facegen files belong to Fjotra, and will cause a CTD because she isn't a child any more. Though I guess you already did, if you extracted the BSAs. Still, something to remember in the future.

i did, i did, but the texture for the statue (i'm guessing) is now causing a CTD when i sleep (dreamworld) and as you can see my merged idea didn't work. but i may be overwriting the wrong things in 132 with bad stuff from the newer version that a "merge" will not fix since all that is doing is overwriting from one to another.

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[Adviser69]

25 minutes ago, Kythana said:

@Adviser69

I use RS-Children and the only conflicts i know of are those two:

On the other hand it still worked with this before. 

 

 

I'll take a look at Arousal Based Match Maker. Thanks for the suggestion. ?

Yes, exactly. 0001e82c is Fjotra's baseID, so that's her facegen data.

23 minutes ago, cloudmc said:

Not sure if Killable Children also would cause issues.  Based on Flower Girls description it  alters game mechanics by changing children to be seen as adults by the game engine.

Killable Children causes issue for ANY SexLab or Flower Girls based mod, because it removes a status flag all children NPCs have that most SL/FG mods rely on so that children are not selectable actors for SL/FG scenes. It's a special type of essential flag that's only used for child actors.

 

[jaeos]

2 minutes ago, Adviser69 said:

Yes, exactly. 0001e82c is Fjotra's baseID, so that's her facegen data.

Killable Children causes issue for ANY SexLab or Flower Girls based mod, because it removes a status flag all children NPCs have that most SL/FG mods rely on so that children are not selectable actors for SL/FG scenes. It's a special type of essential flag that's only used for child actors.

 

whats funny about that, i actually added that in just to kill braith. the little brat in white run. shes still unkillable. i might need to move it way further down on the load order (below rs children) to actually kill her. and her daddy amren.

[Adviser69]

8 minutes ago, jaeos said:

i did, i did, but the texture for the statue (i'm guessing) is now causing a CTD when i sleep (dreamworld) and as you can see my merged idea didn't work. but i may be overwriting the wrong things in 132 with bad stuff from the newer version that a "merge" will not fix since all that is doing is overwriting from one to another.

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Mmm, I don't think it's anything statue related when it comes to SD+ Dreamworld. More than likely the restraints on your character and the bound Alicias are the cause. It's a common problem, just get the DD chains fix and go from there.

DD Hotfix

[jaeos]

11 minutes ago, Adviser69 said:

Mmm, I don't think it's anything statue related when it comes to SD+ Dreamworld. More than likely the restraints on your character and the bound Alicias are the cause. It's a common problem, just get the DD chains fix and go from there.

DD Hotfix

already have all 5 DD files you can see them in the screenshot, 352-356

[Adviser69]

4 minutes ago, jaeos said:

already have all 5 DD files you can see them in the screenshot, 352-356

In that case, I'm not really sure. I had taken SD+ off my load list while I was re-converting SoD. DD can be really finicky on SE anyway. I'll look into my SD+ conversion later, see if anything is mismatched.

 

In any case, here is my current load order setup. Maybe it will help someone further troubleshoot or narrow down their bugs.

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00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  HearthFires.esm
04  Dragonborn.esm
05  Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp  [Version 4.1.8]
06  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.62]
07  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.1.0]
08  SexLabAroused.esm  [Version 2.9]
09  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
0A  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
0B  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
0C  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
0D  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
0E  GenderBender.esm
0F  RaceCompatibility.esm
10  Deep_Elf_Race.esm
11  Snow_Elf_Race.esm
12  daymoyl.esm
13  LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
14  GeneralStores.esm
15  Skyrim Adventurer's Tent.esm
16  Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
17  FISS.esp
18  AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl  [Version 1.0.12]
19  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 3.6.2]
1A  DLCIntegration.esp
1B  SkyUI_SE.esp
1C  UIExtensions.esp
1D  SkyHUD.esp
1E  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
1F  AddItemMenuSE.esp
20  Vivid WeathersSE.esp
21  moonpath.esp
22  JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
23  AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
24  DBM_SkyrimUnderground_Patch.esp
25  AKShadowsOfThePast.esp
26  Sexy Crafting Merchants.esp
27  Draco's Bigger Tent SSE.esp
28  hideout.esp
29  RiversideLodge.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
2A  Hearthfire General Stores Addon.esp
2B  CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp
2C  Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
2D  Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
2E  Deep_Elf_Ordinator_Patch.esp
2F  Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
30  Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
31  DSOMagicofTamriel.esp
32  MidasSkyrim.esp
33  Better Candlelight.esp
34  SummonShadowMERCHANT.esp
35  conjure_chest.esp
36  Ethereal General Stores.esp  [Version 1.9]
37  Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
38  Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
39  Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
3A  Multiple Enchantments - Ordinator Patch.esp
3B  Disenchanting.esp
3C  Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp
3D  Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp
3E  Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
3F  Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp  [Version v6.6a]
40  DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
41  MoreNastyCritters.esp
42  BDIC.esp
43  Animal_SOS.esp
44  RaceMenu.esp
45  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
46  RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
47  KS Hairdo's.esp
48  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 9]
49  SlaveTats.esp
4A  RRTattoos.esp
4B  SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp
4C  CBBE.esp
4D  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
4E  SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
4F  SOS - Deep Elf Addon.esp
50  SOS - Snow Elf Addon.esp
51  SOS - ERF - HighPoly Addon.esp
52  SuccubusRaceLite.esp
53  Shiva's Beautiful Presets Vanilla Hair.esp
54  0_katnerd_StartPlayerFemale_Spells.esp
55  Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
56  FNIS.esp
57  P1FlyingRing.esp
58  Animated Dragon WingsSE.esp
59  DragonWingRingsSSE.esp
5A  Animated Featherd wings.esp
5B  HearthfireMultiKid.esp
5C  TKAA.esp
5D  LegacyoftheDragonborn TKAA Patch.esp
5E  HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
5F  OBIS SE.esp
60  OBIS - USSEP Patch.esp
61  DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
62  Immersive Wenches.esp
63  Immersive Wenches -KS hairs- Patch.esp
64  Deadly Wenches.esp
65  Womanized Obis with Wenches.esp
66  Hateful Wenches.esp
67  Forgotten Wenches.esp
68  Judgment Wenches.esp
69  AnnaNPCs.esp
6A  Lucien.esp
6B  Fertility Mode.esp
6C  iNeed.esp
6D  iNeed - Extended.esp
6E  DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp
6F  PeeAndFart.esp
70  Keep It Clean.esp
71  DBM_KeepitClean_Patch.esp
72  daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
73  Rise Again - Enairim Death Alternative Compatibility.esp
74  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 4.0]
75  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 2.0]
76  RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
77  BuyLumberInLargerStacks.esp
78  Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
79  SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
7A  OBIS Loot SE.esp
7B  Vidani's Bag of Holding.esp
7C  Immersive Weapons.esp
7D  OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
7E  DBM_IW_Patch.esp
7F  T'Skyrim - True Weapons.esp
80  DBM_TWE_Patch.esp
81  Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
82  DBM_KelCrossbowPatch.esp
83  Nicos Craftable Arrows.esp
84  AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
85  DiamondSmithingComplete.esp
86  Tiwa44_Minidresses_CBBE.esp
87  Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn_CBBE.esp
88  Tiwa44_SGMD_CBBE_1_4.esp
89  Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
8A  Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
8B  Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
8C  Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
8D  hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp
8E  DBM_IA_Patch.esp
8F  TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
90  TAWOBA Level Lists.esp
91  TAWOB_SOS_Overrides.esp
92  BikiniAscendVolume1.esp
93  Bikini Ascend Level Lists.esp
94  BA_SOS_Overrides.esp
95  dwhg.esp
96  LADX_SSE.esp
97  Immersive Jewelry.esp  [Version 1.06]
98  DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
99  Deep_Elf_Immersive_Jewelry_Patch.esp
9A  Snow Elf Race SE + Immersive Jewelry SE Patch.esp
9B  Sextoys Calyps - Enhanced.esp
9C  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
9D  MBWSFollowersReplacer.esp
9E  BottlesOfSkyrim.esp
9F  Potions.esp
A0  BetterShapedWeaponsLW-XB.esp
A1  SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp
A2  SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp
A3  SkyrimRecycling.esp  [Version 1.13]
A4  SLAnimLoader.esp
A5  SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
A6  NibblesAnimObjects.esp
A7  MilkyObj.esp
A8  SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
A9  DW.esp
AA  ABMM.esp
AB  SexLab Pheromones.esp
AC  dse-display-model.esp
AD  PuppetMaster.esp
AE  SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
AF  Devious Devices - Equip.esp
B0  SexLabDefeat.esp
B1  mslDeviousCaptures.esp
B2  SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
B3  SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp
B4  TBOS.esp
B5  SexLab Romance.esp
B6  SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
B7  AmorAdvExtendedSSE.esp
B8  xCiceraIMAXX.esp
B9  Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp  [Version 4.0]
BA  Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
BB  Whiterun2.esp
BC  SolitudeNPC.esp
BD  DragonBridge.esp
BE  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 4.0.9]
BF  Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
C0  PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
C1  Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
C2  PCE - Legacy of the Dragonborn Patch.esp
C3  Open Cities Skyrim.esp  [Version 3.1.3]
C4  PCE - Open Cities Patch.esp
C5  DBM_OpenCities_Patch.esp
C6  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

[Aylis]

@Adviser69

Fjotra is already in the temple (aka i already rescued her) so she isn't in that cell anymore.

 

I overwrote the facegen files from RS-Children with ones from 132 and still got a CTD entering the tower.

 

 

Wait a sec. There's a dead sister in that cell… Maybe she's causing the crash? Do you have the id for her files?

[jaeos]

9 minutes ago, Kythana said:

@Adviser69

Fjotra is already in the temple (aka i already rescued her) so she isn't in that cell anymore.

 

I overwrote the facegen files from RS-Children with ones from 132 and still got a CTD entering the tower.

 

 

Wait a sec. There's a dead sister in that cell… Maybe she's causing the crash? Do you have the id for her files?

there is also the dibella statue thats blood splattered, and the flower thing that does the sex change at the temple. the flower statue is there, you cannot activate it though.

[Adviser69]

18 minutes ago, Kythana said:

@Adviser69

Fjotra is already in the temple (aka i already rescued her) so she isn't in that cell anymore.

 

I overwrote the facegen files from RS-Children with ones from 132 and still got a CTD entering the tower.

 

 

Wait a sec. There's a dead sister in that cell… Maybe she's causing the crash? Do you have the id for her files?

EditorID _SLSD_NPC_SisterDeadElena, BaseID xx011836, listed as 00011836 in the sexlab_dibellacult.esp folder in the Facegen files. I'm wondering if it's the same problem that jaeos is having with the CTD at Morvunskar, because Sister Anna is lying dead in that one. See if you can go into Melka's Tower/Blind Cave Redoubt and get a CTD there too. Sister Elsa is dead in that one.

[Aylis]

The statue was fixed in the update so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.

 

I'm guessing its either the dead sister or her armor (as long as there arn't more changes in that cell i'm unaware of). 

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@Adviser69

Worked!

 

Trying to get to the 'Melka's Tower/Blind Cave Redoubt' now...

[Adviser69]

5 minutes ago, Kythana said:

The statue was fixed in the update so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.

 

I'm guessing its either the dead sister or her armor (as long as there arn't more changes in that cell i'm unaware of). 

She doesn't have armor. All she is wearing is a Travelling Sisters Hood. Which in itself could be the culprit I guess, but not sure how. And Sister Anna at Morvunskar is wearing Zaz rope restraints, with her hood laying off to the side. If you're not crashing when you come across Travelling Sisters, then it's more than likely the facegen.

[Aylis]

@Adviser69

Just found Elsa with the help of 132. Crashed as soon as i tried to enter the dungeon without it.

 

Sister Eda at the geysers: immediate crash when i turn into her direction. Happened too fast but she might have had a black face.

[idgaflulz]

34 minutes ago, Adviser69 said:

EditorID _SLSD_NPC_SisterDeadElena, BaseID xx011836, listed as 00011836 in the sexlab_dibellacult.esp folder in the Facegen files. I'm wondering if it's the same problem that jaeos is having with the CTD at Morvunskar, because Sister Anna is lying dead in that one. See if you can go into Melka's Tower/Blind Cave Redoubt and get a CTD there too. Sister Elsa is dead in that one.

I don't have any children mods installed, just checked that.

 

I crashed in Morvunskar01 and BlindCliffCave01 as well as BrokenTowerRedoubt02 when I used coc to travel there.

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, Adviser69 said:

EditorID _SLSD_NPC_SisterDeadElena, BaseID xx011836, listed as 00011836 in the sexlab_dibellacult.esp folder in the Facegen files. I'm wondering if it's the same problem that jaeos is having with the CTD at Morvunskar, because Sister Anna is lying dead in that one. See if you can go into Melka's Tower/Blind Cave Redoubt and get a CTD there too. Sister Elsa is dead in that one.

i have not been to Morvunskar\blindcave, i'm still trying to get into dreamworld. after i put 132 into load order and put the new files under it i have not had a CTD issue other than trying to get to dream world. so i am trying something a little different, i replaced all of the restraints in SD with copies pulled from zaz 8 ( few renames) but i will let you know if my modified devices .nif idea worked

EDIT: nope even faster CTD replacing with .nif from DD and ZAZ

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, Adviser69 said:

She doesn't have armor. All she is wearing is a Travelling Sisters Hood. Which in itself could be the culprit I guess, but not sure how. And Sister Anna at Morvunskar is wearing Zaz rope restraints, with her hood laying off to the side. If you're not crashing when you come across Travelling Sisters, then it's more than likely the facegen.

she also has generated objects on her,(note) and the first sister where fjotra is has 2 of the notes, not 1

[jaeos]

and by statues i mean these two.

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EDIT

Interesting. i reinstalled SD+ and now i have this

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[Adviser69]

Okay. Try to open the mod up in CK and export the facegen of all NPCs added (not altered) by the mod via Ctrl+F4, and see if that helps at all. I'm gonna look into the mesh for the Travelling Sister hood.