Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 So I keep having the recurring problem where, when booting up Skyrim, the starting menu displays no options, just the Skyrim symbol shrouded in smoke. Uninstalling certain mods seems to fix this, however there's no rhyme or reason to which mods are causing the error, it seems to be completely random, sometimes it works, sometimes it dosent. In time I managed to isolate the mods that seem to be causing the problem, and later found out that it's probably a problem with my load order. However certain mods on the list seem to not have any specifications for their load order. And even when they do, sorting to their specifications don't seem to fix the problem. I even learned how to clean masters, and cleaned everything marked for cleaning by LOOT (I used LOOT for sorting as well). The mods that seem to cause the problems are: Drunken sluts, Deviously cursed loot, animated parasites (addon to sexlab parasites), Mobile milker armor, sexlab matchmaker, Morenastycritters (as well as hentaicreatures and modcompatibility addon), and xaz prison overhaul. Here is my load order with them in it. (I can provide my load order without them as well) Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 SexLab.esm 7 7 SexLabAroused.esm 8 8 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 9 9 DeviousFramework.esm 10 a Devious Devices - Assets.esm 11 b Devious Devices - Integration.esm 12 c Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 13 d SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 14 e PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 15 f daymoyl.esm 16 10 hdtHighHeel.esm 17 11 Havok Breast Physic.esm 18 12 ApachiiHair.esm 19 13 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 20 14 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 21 15 Heels Sound.esm 22 16 CreatureFramework.esm 23 17 HighResTexturePack01.esp 24 18 HighResTexturePack02.esp 25 19 HighResTexturePack03.esp 26 1a SkyUI.esp 27 1b UIExtensions.esp 28 1c FNIS.esp JaxonzMapMarkers.esp 29 1d JewelryMeltdown.esp 30 1e Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp 31 1f RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 32 20 Auto Unequip Helmet.esp 33 21 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 34 22 ELFX - Exteriors.esp 35 23 3DNPC.esp 36 24 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 37 25 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 38 26 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 39 27 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 40 28 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 41 29 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 42 2a SOSRaceMenu.esp 43 2b XPMSE.esp 44 2c Havok Breast Physic Dawnguard.esp 45 2d Havok Breast Physic Dragonborn.esp 46 2e RaceMenu.esp 47 2f RaceMenuPlugin.esp 48 30 SimplyKnock.esp 49 31 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp 50 32 SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp 51 33 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 52 34 MoreNastyCritters.esp 53 35 DeadlyDragons.esp 54 36 RohZima_AnimObjects.esp 55 37 ShinShi_Armor_Replacer.esp 56 38 AnubAnimObj.esp 57 39 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 58 3a CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp 59 3b xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp 60 3c Prettier Bandits.esp 61 3d Havok Breast Physic.esp 62 3e MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp 63 3f mintylightningmod.esp 64 40 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp 65 41 SexLabTools.esp 66 42 SLAnimLoader.esp 67 43 RapeTattoos.esp 68 44 SlaveTats.esp 69 45 DW.esp 70 46 DeviousTraining.esp 71 47 dD Enchanted Chests.esp 72 48 SL_shrines.esp 73 49 SLSO.esp 74 4a SLSO_PSA.esp 75 4b EstrusChaurus.esp 76 4c EstrusSpider.esp 77 4d MilkModNEW.esp 78 4e MilkModNEW HF.esp 79 4f MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp 80 50 Jugs.esp 81 51 SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 82 52 Devious Loading Screens.esp 83 53 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 84 54 Captured Dreams.esp 85 55 ELFX - Weathers.esp 86 56 TrueStorms.esp 87 57 TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 88 58 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp 89 59 CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp 90 5a IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 91 5b SexyBanditCaptives.esp 92 5c SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp 93 5d SMIM-Merged-All.esp 94 5e sanguinesDebauchery.esp 95 5f RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 96 60 ElderOutfit-NoBijin.esp 97 61 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 98 62 CinematicFireFX.esp 99 63 TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp 100 64 SimpleSlavery.esp 101 65 SexLab-Parasites.esp 102 66 DeviousFollowers.esp 103 67 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 104 68 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 105 69 MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasicB.esp 106 6a Deviously Enslaved.esp 107 6b FMEA Skyrim.esp 108 6c Milk Addict.esp 109 6d sextoys-calyps-2.esp 110 6e SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp 111 6f Blush When Aroused.esp 112 70 DrunkenSluts.esp 113 71 AnimatedParasites.esp 114 72 Milker Movil Armor.esp 115 73 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 116 74 HentaiCreatures.esp 117 75 DeadlyDragonsMNCPatch.esp 118 76 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 119 77 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 120 78 Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp 121 79 ELFXEnhancer.esp Without those mods it seems I have no problems, and barely any CTD's, however those mods just seem to screw the first menu up, not allowing me to start a save file.
donttouchmethere Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 something is broken or missing or conflicting this will be hard to find out, because it might something thats not for us to see in your load order check if you: > installed Fuz Ro D-oh (manually) > installed PapyrusUtil 3.3 > installed JContainers > you overwrote XPMSE with Animated Parasites but with nothing else > if your running only ONE weather mod => your running ELFX - Weathers.esp and COT patched to hell > do you have a body to go with all those breast physics, maybe there is a newer alternative (like AIO-P) > MME esp not in the right load order can cause your issue too > check again if you have everything right for MNC > did you run FNIS and did you check the right patches > if you use Crash fixes, is it setup right? (you will need crash fixes for that setup) > if you use ENBoost, is the setup right > you start the game with SKSE? > are the mods first and than their patches in load order? > Prison Overhaul needs DDe > do you have bodyslide installed?
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: something is broken or missing or conflicting this will be hard to find out, because it might something thats not for us to see in your load order check if you: > installed Fuz Ro D-oh (manually) > installed PapyrusUtil 3.3 > installed JContainers > you overwrote XPMSE with Animated Parasites but with nothing else > if your running only ONE weather mod => your running ELFX - Weathers.esp and COT patched to hell > do you have a body to go with all those breast physics, maybe there is a newer alternative (like AIO-P) > MME esp not in the right load order can cause your issue too > check again if you have everything right for MNC > did you run FNIS and did you check the right patches > if you use Crash fixes, is it setup right? (you will need crash fixes for that setup) > if you use ENBoost, is the setup right > you start the game with SKSE? > are the mods first and than their patches in load order? > Prison Overhaul needs DDe > do you have bodyslide installed? > Installed Fuz Ro D-oh (manually) I installed it through mod organizer, should I have installed it manually? > installed PapyrusUtil 3.3 I did not have it installed, however after installing it, it seemed to not fix my problem. > installed JContainers JContainers is installed. >you overwrote XPMSE with Animated Parasites but with nothing else Moving Animated parasites to be overwritten by XPMSE (using mod organizer) didn't solve the problem, unless you were talking about something else. > if your running only ONE weather mod => your running ELFX - Weathers.esp and COT patched to hell Pardon my ignorance, but I dont get what you mean here. However disabling those two ESPs didn't do anything. >do you have a body to go with all those breast physics, maybe there is a newer alternative (like AIO-P) I do, before getting into sexual modding with this mod set, the physics options I used worked fine. Would switching to an alternative fix it? >check again if you have everything right for MNC Went through and changed my load order to suit the needs of MNC, didn't solve it. (also mod organizer complains about the my mods are sorted after doing this.) > did you run FNIS and did you check the right patches I always go with the first 2 checked (since I have no problems with T-poses), and yes, I did. > if you use Crash fixes, is it setup right? (you will need crash fixes for that setup) Nothing in the crash fixes tutorial mentions having no options in the starting menu, however I did edit some things according to the crashfixes page. > if you use ENBoost, is the setup right Should be, without the mods I marked selected, the game boots and plays fine. > you start the game with SKSE? Yes > are the mods first and than their patches in load order? I think there are, but there's so many that its hard to keep track of. >Prison Overhaul needs DDe I have Devious Devices - Expansion, if thats what you're asking. > do you have bodyslide installed? Yes.
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Would you be so kind as to post the top half of your FNIS after you've run it. You can do this with cut and paste. It should start with the skeleton and end with however many animations that have been successfully loaded.
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, Psalam said: Would you be so kind as to post the top half of your FNIS after you've run it. You can do this with cut and paste. It should start with the skeleton and end with however many animations that have been successfully loaded. Skeleton(hkx) female: Unknown (125 bones) male: Unknown (125 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ... Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanFurniture V1.0 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 493 alternate animations) ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 330 alternate animations) ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 102 alternate animations) ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... Reading DeviousFollowers V1.00 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 34 alternate animations) ... Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.34 ... Reading FNISBase V7.4.5 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V6.1 ... Reading MME V6.07 ( 2 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading RohZima V1.0 ... Reading SexLab V1.62 ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 164 alternate animations) ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ( 276 furniture, 43 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 17 alternate animations) ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... No GENDER directory male 49 GENDER modifications for Animations\female Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 66 total groups: 294 added file slots: 2229 alternate files: 1140 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... 7288 animations for 29 mods successfully included (character) 2493 animations for 9 mods and 42 creatures successfully included.
donttouchmethere Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 well thx for working yourself through my "poking in the dark" questions last time I had your Issue "skyrim stuck before main menu" it was caused by a patch for a mod that worked perfectly fine otherwise on the other hand you can start skyrim without those mods you meantioned, how far did you go ingame if you can start skyrim? Means is it stable? Do you see the breast havok effect? Do the weather effects work? Stuff like that^^ So your issue might be a combination of things or a bad patch or a missing one, so many possibilitys. Even MO might be the issue, but for that we need an MO specialist (me NMM guy) > Installed Fuz Ro D-oh (manually) I installed it through mod organizer, should I have installed it manually? I would install it manually into the skyrim directory, like SKSE. > installed PapyrusUtil 3.3 I did not have it installed, however after installing it, it seemed to not fix my problem. PapyrusUtil is already in Sexlab, but v3.3 is the newest one and its needed mainly for POP IIRC > installed JContainers JContainers is installed. okey, sometimes its gets just forgotten or gets overwritten by an older version >you overwrote XPMSE with Animated Parasites but with nothing else Moving Animated parasites to be overwritten by XPMSE (using mod organizer) didn't solve the problem, unless you were talking about something else. I meant the other way around, but it should only make issues ingame not before should be like that: ... everything that uses a skeleton Sexlab Parasites XPMSE Animated Parasites > if your running only ONE weather mod => your running ELFX - Weathers.esp and COT patched to hell Pardon my ignorance, but I dont get what you mean here. However disabling those two ESPs didn't do anything. atm you use two weather & light modifications ELFX and Climates Of Tamriel for example ELFX - weathers will effect the same as COT's weather modifikations => conflicts, if your lucky its just FPS drop or odd light >do you have a body to go with all those breast physics, maybe there is a newer alternative (like AIO-P) I do, before getting into sexual modding with this mod set, the physics options I used worked fine. Would switching to an alternative fix it? If you arlready play tested it and it worked, no need to change just asking, because sometimes ppl throw a lot of new mods together into a load order without know if they work ingame, making it hard to find the issue (incl myself^^) > are the mods first and than their patches in load order? I think there are, but there's so many that its hard to keep track of. try to keep track, a wrong patch at the wrong time can cause your issue >Prison Overhaul needs DDe I have Devious Devices - Expansion, if thats what you're asking. DDx = Devious Devices expansion DDe = Devious Devices equip but this should only make issues ingame and only with POP lets hope someone with more knowledge about MO has some Idea i try to wrap my head around what all those mods have in common that dont work with your load order^^
donttouchmethere Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Psalam is up to something there =D > what FNIS version do you use? > XPMSE should look like that: "Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones)" (not sure what FNIS shows if animated parasites is installed)
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 The better question is, "what skeleton do you use?" XPMSE (generally accepted as the standard) has 115 bones, not 125. I expect that your problem is a skeleton incompatibility. Get rid of whatever you are currently using and get XPMSE by Groovtama (available both here and on NEXUS). Make certain that you get the correct version for your Skyrim (that is LE or SE).
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Psalam is up to something there =D > what FNIS version do you use? > XPMSE should look like that: "Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones)" (not sure what FNIS shows if animated parasites is installed) FNIS V7.4.5 XXL Quote The better question is, "what skeleton do you use?" XPMSE (generally accepted as the standard) has 115 bones, not 125. I expect that your problem is a skeleton incompatibility. Get rid of whatever you are currently using and get XPMSE by Groovtama (available both here and on NEXUS). Make certain that you get the correct version for your Skyrim (that is LE or SE). I have XPMSE already (install name is a XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended), but I will reinstall it just to see if maybe I fucked up the download
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 15 minutes ago, Elick320 said: FNIS V7.4.5 XXL I have XPMSE already (install name is a XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended), but I will reinstall it just to see if maybe I fucked up the download You can find it here: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/676-xp32-maximum-skeleton-special-extended-xpmsse/ In the downloads the TOP one is for LE and the BOTTOM one is for SE (make sure you get the right one). Also, it has nothing to do with your problem but I don't think you're helping yourself with FNIS XXL. If there is any advantage to using it that would be when you were running high (14k+) numbers of animations. Since Fore says that it tends to be a bit buggy and you clearly don't need it (<10k animations) you would probably benefit from the regular FNIS in the long run.
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Psalam said: Hide contents You can find it here: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/676-xp32-maximum-skeleton-special-extended-xpmsse/ In the downloads the TOP one is for LE and the BOTTOM one is for SE (make sure you get the right one). Also, it has nothing to do with your problem but I don't think you're helping yourself with FNIS XXL. If there is any advantage to using it that would be when you were running high (14k+) numbers of animations. Since Fore says that it tends to be a bit buggy and you clearly don't need it (<10k animations) you would probably benefit from the regular FNIS in the long run. Reinstalled with the link you gave me, re-ran FNIS, and the problem persists. (even tried disabling animated parasites, still didn't work) Also so far FNIS XXL hasn't given me any issues so far, so i don't think its worth the hassle of switching my FNIS.
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 9 minutes ago, Elick320 said: Reinstalled with the link you gave me, re-ran FNIS, and the problem persists. (even tried disabling animated parasites, still didn't work) Also so far FNIS XXL hasn't given me any issues so far, so i don't think its worth the hassle of switching my FNIS. How many bones does your skeleton now show on FNIS? Edit: If it says anything other than 115 you are probably using a mod that overwrites it. In that case move XPMSE to the end of your load order and try again.
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents How many bones does your skeleton now show on FNIS? Edit: If it says anything other than 115 you are probably using a mod that overwrites it. In that case move XPMSE to the end of your load order and try again. Says 115 bones now after reinstalling, however the optionless main menu has not changed.
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 6 minutes ago, Elick320 said: Says 115 bones now after reinstalling, however the optionless main menu has not changed. As Donttouchmethere was working on you are missing a master, I was hoping that it would be the skeleton. When I get a moment I will go through your load order again. I know you've said that you've run LOOT, but are you certain that it says you have no errors (not warnings, errors)?
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents As Donttouchmethere was working on you are missing a master, I was hoping that it would be the skeleton. When I get a moment I will go through your load order again. I know you've said that you've run LOOT, but are you certain that it says you have no errors (not warnings, errors)? All the mods seem to be working according to LOOT Also I have changed my load order since then (added and took out some mods, which I thought would fix my animated parasites problem, but didn't) so if your going through my load order you probably want my updated one. Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 SexLab.esm 7 7 SexLabAroused.esm 8 8 CreatureFramework.esm 9 9 DeviousFramework.esm 10 a Devious Devices - Assets.esm 11 b Devious Devices - Integration.esm 12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm 13 d SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 14 e Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 15 f PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 16 10 daymoyl.esm 17 11 hdtHighHeel.esm 18 12 ApachiiHair.esm 19 13 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 20 14 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 21 15 Heels Sound.esm 22 16 HighResTexturePack01.esp 23 17 HighResTexturePack02.esp 24 18 HighResTexturePack03.esp 25 19 SkyUI.esp 26 1a UIExtensions.esp 27 1b FNIS.esp JaxonzMapMarkers.esp 28 1c JewelryMeltdown.esp 29 1d Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp 30 1e RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 31 1f Auto Unequip Helmet.esp 32 20 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 33 21 ELFX - Exteriors.esp 34 22 3DNPC.esp 35 23 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 36 24 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 37 25 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 38 26 SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 39 27 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 40 28 SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp 41 29 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 42 2a xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp 43 2b Prettier Bandits.esp 44 2c ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 45 2d RaceMenu.esp 46 2e RaceMenuPlugin.esp 47 2f SimplyKnock.esp 48 30 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp 49 31 MoreNastyCritters.esp 50 32 DeadlyDragons.esp 51 33 RohZima_AnimObjects.esp 52 34 ShinShi_Armor_Replacer.esp 53 35 AnubAnimObj.esp 54 36 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 55 37 CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp 56 38 mintylightningmod.esp 57 39 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp 58 3a Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 59 3b SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 60 3c Devious Loading Screens.esp 61 3d MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp 62 3e SexLabTools.esp 63 3f SLAnimLoader.esp 64 40 RapeTattoos.esp 65 41 SlaveTats.esp 66 42 DW.esp 67 43 DeviousTraining.esp 68 44 dD Enchanted Chests.esp 69 45 SL_shrines.esp 70 46 SLSO.esp 71 47 SLSO_PSA.esp 72 48 EstrusChaurus.esp 73 49 EstrusSpider.esp 74 4a MilkModNEW.esp 75 4b MilkModNEW HF.esp 76 4c MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp 77 4d Jugs.esp 78 4e Blush When Aroused.esp 79 4f Captured Dreams.esp ELFX - Weathers.esp 80 50 TrueStorms.esp 81 51 TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 82 52 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp 83 53 CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp 84 54 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 85 55 SexyBanditCaptives.esp 86 56 SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp 87 57 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 88 58 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 89 59 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 90 5a Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 91 5b CinematicFireFX.esp 92 5c TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp 93 5d ElderOutfit-NoBijin.esp 94 5e SimpleSlavery.esp 95 5f SexLab-Parasites.esp 96 60 DeviousFollowers.esp 97 61 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 98 62 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 99 63 MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasicB.esp 100 64 Deviously Enslaved.esp 101 65 FMEA Skyrim.esp 102 66 Milk Addict.esp 103 67 sextoys-calyps-2.esp 104 68 SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp 105 69 SOSRaceMenu.esp 106 6a XPMSE.esp 107 6b 12FemaleBrows.esp 108 6c HDT Havok Object.esp 109 6d SexLab Strapon.esp 110 6e SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp 111 6f Devious Devices - Equip.esp AnimatedParasites.esp 112 70 DrunkenSluts.esp 113 71 Milker Movil Armor.esp 114 72 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 115 73 HentaiCreatures.esp 116 74 DeadlyDragonsMNCPatch.esp 117 75 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 118 76 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 119 77 Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp 120 78 ELFXEnhancer.esp
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 24 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents As Donttouchmethere was working on you are missing a master, I was hoping that it would be the skeleton. When I get a moment I will go through your load order again. I know you've said that you've run LOOT, but are you certain that it says you have no errors (not warnings, errors)? You gave a list in your first post of mods that your load order will work if you DON'T have them. Do you have to eliminate all those mods or can you get rid of just any random one? Also, don't know if it has any relevance yet but what versions of Devious Devices are you using?
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents You gave a list in your first post of mods that your load order will work if you DON'T have them. Do you have to eliminate all those mods or can you get rid of just any random one? Also, don't know if it has any relevance yet but what versions of Devious Devices are you using? Yes, with the mods I mentioned in the post taken out of the load order, the game works just fine. No CTD's, ENB working, animations working, perfectly functional skyrim. But when the mods I mentioned are put back in the load order, I get stuck on the first menu, unable to do anything. Also I'm using DD assets 3.0, DD Integration 4.1, and DD expansion 4.0.
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 4 minutes ago, Elick320 said: Yes, with the mods I mentioned in the post taken out of the load order, the game works just fine. No CTD's, ENB working, animations working, perfectly functional skyrim. But when the mods I mentioned are put back in the load order, I get stuck on the first menu, unable to do anything. Also I'm using DD assets 3.0, DD Integration 4.1, and DD expansion 4.0. Sorry if I sound repetitive but I want to make sure I understand. You list 7 mods. Do all 7 have to be out of the load order? Can you, for instance, leave out 6 but still load prison overhaul and still have it work. The reason this is important is looking for what they have in common or what they interact with.
Elick320 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Posted November 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents Sorry if I sound repetitive but I want to make sure I understand. You list 7 mods. Do all 7 have to be out of the load order? Can you, for instance, leave out 6 but still load prison overhaul and still have it work. The reason this is important is looking for what they have in common or what they interact with. Its fine, I'll take whatever help I can get. But all mods need to not be in the load order for skyrim to work. I've tried each of them individually (expect for morenastycreatures, which requires some of the problem mods to work) to no avail. Together they also don't work, also I haven't found any combination of them that works.
yatol Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Psalam said: The better question is, "what skeleton do you use?" XPMSE (generally accepted as the standard) has 115 bones, not 125. I expect that your problem is a skeleton incompatibility. Get rid of whatever you are currently using and get XPMSE by Groovtama there's no armor to load in the main menu, so you can't ctd because of that before getting to the main menu.... game don't freeze with a skeleton conflict, it's a ctd when you click on skyrim.exe, and wait for the game to load, it's skyrim.esm it load, then update (that overwrite some stuff from skyrim.esm), then dawnguard (that overwrite...), and the result is your load order the game freeze before getting to main menu? either it's 2 mods that edit the main menu that don't go well together (those mods edit the main menu? so it's not that) either it's something the game wasn't able to load in the load order, that wasn't a ctd (missing master it's a ctd, empty leveled list it's a ctd, some problems aren't a ctd for some reason, they call that a freeze) you can break esp when you merge (an error somewhere, copy paste will stop at the error, you are missing the stuff after the error, that's a problem, some stuff don't copy paste right for some reason too) cco inject stuff in update.esm, other mods do the same, if you have 2 that inject the same record in one esp... surprise
Psalam Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 Spoiler 1 minute ago, Elick320 said: Its fine, I'll take whatever help I can get. But all mods need to not be in the load order for skyrim to work. I've tried each of them individually (expect for morenastycreatures, which requires some of the problem mods to work) to no avail. Together they also don't work, also I haven't found any combination of them that works. Do you have hdt physics (from Nexus)? What body type are you using (CBBE, UUNP, etc.)?
Elick320 Posted November 20, 2018 Author Posted November 20, 2018 13 hours ago, yatol said: there's no armor to load in the main menu, so you can't ctd because of that before getting to the main menu.... game don't freeze with a skeleton conflict, it's a ctd when you click on skyrim.exe, and wait for the game to load, it's skyrim.esm it load, then update (that overwrite some stuff from skyrim.esm), then dawnguard (that overwrite...), and the result is your load order the game freeze before getting to main menu? either it's 2 mods that edit the main menu that don't go well together (those mods edit the main menu? so it's not that) either it's something the game wasn't able to load in the load order, that wasn't a ctd (missing master it's a ctd, empty leveled list it's a ctd, some problems aren't a ctd for some reason, they call that a freeze) you can break esp when you merge (an error somewhere, copy paste will stop at the error, you are missing the stuff after the error, that's a problem, some stuff don't copy paste right for some reason too) cco inject stuff in update.esm, other mods do the same, if you have 2 that inject the same record in one esp... surprise Actually, there are two mods of mine that add elements to the main menu, and that is Tamriel online, and ENB. However these two mods simply add images and text to the main menu, and nothing selectable. So what your saying is that I have a broken merged ESP? Cause I don't remember merging any ESPs. Possible a mod has a merged ESP that's broken, and thats causing the freeze. 13 hours ago, Psalam said: Hide contents Do you have hdt physics (from Nexus)? What body type are you using (CBBE, UUNP, etc.)? Yes, do have HDT physics, and I use CBBE exclusively.
Grey Cloud Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 3:58 AM, Elick320 said: Drunken sluts, Deviously cursed loot, animated parasites (addon to sexlab parasites), Mobile milker armor, sexlab matchmaker, Morenastycritters (as well as hentaicreatures and modcompatibility addon), and xaz prison overhaul. Of those, I only use MNC but if I were you I would trawl through the support threads of those mods looking for clues. Like Psalam, I am still somewhat confused by what you are saying. If, for instance, you remove Drunken Sluts but leave the others in, will the game run. If you put back DS and, say, remove Animated Parasites will the game run? Or do you have to remove all of them to get the game running? Other obvious thing to try is disable/remove Tamriel Online and toggle off your ENB. And you may want to check the Tamriel Online forum for clues.
Elick320 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 16 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Of those, I only use MNC but if I were you I would trawl through the support threads of those mods looking for clues. Like Psalam, I am still somewhat confused by what you are saying. If, for instance, you remove Drunken Sluts but leave the others in, will the game run. If you put back DS and, say, remove Animated Parasites will the game run? Or do you have to remove all of them to get the game running? Other obvious thing to try is disable/remove Tamriel Online and toggle off your ENB. And you may want to check the Tamriel Online forum for clues. I don't get whats hard to understand. If any of the mods mentioned in that list are enabled in my mod manager, The program locks up at the starting menu. The logo shows up, smoke comes from below and behind it like normal, but no options appear (additionally no music plays, if that's relevant.). To clarify, any set of those mods also locks up the game, and all of those mods enabled at once locks up my game. I will try completely removing tamriel online, however I downloaded my ENB after my problems started manifesting, so its probably not that.
Elick320 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 Update: removing Tamriel online in its entirety seemed to fix my problem, I don't know how or why, I'm just happy I can start using these mods again. Thanks for all the help everyone who helped me through this.
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