Arrows are way off my crosshair, need help!

[adorablealpaca]

So my problem is basically this: https://i.imgur.com/5pikMuS.jpg

My arrows are way off the bow and my crosshair. I looked up videos of archery to make sure it looks different in vanilla and it really does. Every other weapon is fine and the bow itself doesn't clip through anything. Here is my mods with their load order made by the latest LOOT:
 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

254 FE 0 UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp

254 FE 1 UHDAP - en0.esp

254 FE 2 UHDAP - en1.esp

254 FE 3 UHDAP - en2.esp

254 FE 4 UHDAP - en3.esp

254 FE 5 UHDAP - en4.esp

5 5 SexLab.esm

6 6 SexLabAroused.esm

7 7 CreatureFramework.esm

254 FE 6 CBBE.esl

8 8 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

9 9 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

10 a BSAssets.esm

11 b BSHeartland.esm

12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm

13 d BS_DLC_patch.esp

14 e High Quality Tintmasks.esp

15 f Alpine Forest of Whiterun Valley.esp

16 10 SkyUI_SE.esp

17 11 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

18 12 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

19 13 ELFX - Exteriors.esp

20 14 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

21 15 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

22 16 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

23 17 skyBirds_SSE.esp

24 18 EBT - skyBirds Patch (mid).esp

25 19 Cutting Room Floor.esp

26 1a Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp

27 1b FNIS.esp

28 1c SexLabDefeat.esp

29 1d SLAnimLoader.esp

30 1e SexLabMatchMaker.esp

31 1f RaceMenu.esp

32 20 XPMSE.esp

33 21 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

34 22 AnubAnimObj.esp

35 23 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp

36 24 KomAnimObjects.esp

37 25 UIExtensions.esp

38 26 AdultAccessoriesForMen.esp

39 27 RaceMenuPluginSAM.esp

40 28 ArgonianFins.esp

41 29 WNB_WeatheredNordicBodypaints.esp

42 2a BRB_BeastRaceBodypaints.esp

43 2b FabLookEyesSSE.esp

44 2c RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

45 2d icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

46 2e Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp

47 2f Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp

48 30 MLU.esp

49 31 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

50 32 MLU - Summermyst.esp

51 33 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp

52 34 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

53 35 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

54 36 JKs Skyrim.esp

55 37 The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp

56 38 Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp

57 39 Blues Skyrim.esp

58 3a JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp

59 3b S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp

60 3c Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp

61 3d Helgen Reborn.esp

62 3e Unique Flowers & Plants.esp

63 3f LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp

64 40 Settlements Expanded SE.esp

65 41 Windhelm Exterior Altered.esp

66 42 T'Skyrim Riverwood.esp

67 43 Left Hand Crossing.esp

68 44 Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp

69 45 Blowing in the Wind - JKS_DoS_Patch.esp

70 46 Blowing in the Wind - ELFX Exteriors Patch SSE.esp

71 47 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

72 48 Winterhold Restored.esp

73 49 Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp

74 4a MoreNastyCritters.esp

75 4b Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp

76 4c Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

77 4d Quarries of Skyrim.esp

78 4e Rorikstead.esp

79 4f JKs Skyrim_Rorikstead_Patch.esp

80 50 AngasMillReborn.esp

81 51 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

82 52 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

83 53 SLPleasure.esp

84 54 WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp

85 55 ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

86 56 Solitude Docks.esp

87 57 BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp

88 58 FNISspells.esp

89 59 Dynamic Outfits - Basic Version.esp

90 5a fallentreebridgesSSE.esp

91 5b More Clutter In Skyrim.esp

92 5c Tel Mithryn.esp

93 5d Skaal Village.esp

94 5e Mixwater Mill Reborn.esp

95 5f Shor's Stone.esp

96 60 Solitude Exterior Addon.esp

97 61 Landscape For Grass Mods JK'S Skyrim.esp

98 62 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

99 63 Ivarstead.esp

100 64 JKs Skyrim_Ivarstead_Patch.esp

101 65 Kynesgrove.esp

102 66 Whistling Mine.esp

103 67 Soljund's Sinkhole.esp

104 68 Karthwasten.esp

105 69 JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp

106 6a SpousesEnhancedSE.esp

107 6b The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

108 6c The Manipulator.esp

109 6d magic of the magna-ge.esp

110 6e Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp

111 6f Blowing in the Wind - Helgen Reborn Patch SSE.esp

254 FE 7 Angas Mill Reborn - Inn Patch.esp

112 70 ArrowRecoverySystemOverhaul.esp

113 71 Beards.esp

114 72 Better Skill and Quest Books Names SE.esp

115 73 Crime Overhaul Expanded.esp

116 74 GIST soul trap.esp

117 75 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

118 76 Improved Traps.esp

119 77 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

120 78 Moss Rocks.esp

121 79 NAT.esp

122 7a NoCharacterLightSSE1.2.esp

123 7b Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp

124 7c PCE - No Custom Music patch.esp

125 7d Ravengate.esp

126 7e Landscape For Grass Mods - Arthmoor's Dragon Bridge PATCH.esp

127 7f TrueStormsSE.esp

128 80 WetandCold.esp

129 81 TrueStorms_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp

130 82 SolitudeTempleFrescoes.esp

131 83 SolitudeTempleFrescoesBig.esp

132 84 SolitudeTempleFrescoesExpanded.esp

133 85 SolitudeTempleFrescoesSmall.esp

134 86 SkyrimIsWindy.esp

135 87 SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp

136 88 SkyrimIsWindy - EVT patch.esp

137 89 S3DRocks.esp

138 8a Simple AUA.esp

139 8b Realistic Nighteye - Original.esp

140 8c RealisticRegeneration.esp

141 8d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

142 8e Realistic-Voice.esp

143 8f Quest Conflict Fixes.esp

144 90 PrinceandPauper.esp

145 91 Landscape For Grass Mods Arthmoor's Shor's Stone PATCH.esp

146 92 Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp

147 93 Immersive Weapons.esp

148 94 MLU - Immersive Armors.esp

149 95 ImperialRewards.esp

150 96 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

151 97 MLU - ZIA.esp

152 98 AddItemMenuSE.esp

153 99 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

154 9a KL-Kyron.esp

155 9b KL-GeraltWolf.esp

156 9c KL-GeraltUrsine.esp

157 9d SAM Tsun Armor - Seedye.esp

158 9e SAM Dragonbone Set.esp

159 9f VioLens SE.esp

160 a0 NoNakedComments.esp

161 a1 TorchesCastShadows.esp

162 a2 NAT_TS_Patch_DarkStormy_WaterFix.esp

163 a3 NAT_TS_Patch_DarkStormy.esp

164 a4 JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp

165 a5 Racial Body Morphs - Extreme Morphs.esp

166 a6 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

167 a7 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

168 a8 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

169 a9 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp

170 aa ELFXEnhancer.esp

171 ab WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp

172 ac Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

As you might've noticed I do have SAM Light, Racial Body Morphs, RaceMenu with all the sliders, etc., but changing the shape of my character barely changes anything. The arrow is still pointing in a completely wrong direction, which is what makes it clip and it's really frustrating. Anyone have any idea what could be causing that?

[Gameplayer]

Arrows not being centered on the crosshair is actually very common.

 

Especially happens when you make camera tweaks, but for the most part if your going to play in 3rd person well your out of luck....Just gotta learn where the arrow goes relative to the position of the crosshair and distance to the target.

 

I couldn't look at your provided picture...So if its first person I have no idear.

[KoolHndLuke]

disable your mods related to bows and test on a new game to see if that fixes it. That's what I would do first.

[donttouchmethere]

you can modify it a bit via skyrim.ini

 

like:

[Combat]
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7

 

I can hit better now, but shot arrows while sneaking end up hitting the ground for some reason

(using IFP)

[worik]

6 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

I can hit better now, but shot arrows while sneaking end up hitting the ground for some reason

I use the same settings and they work even while I'm sneaking.

I think, that they are good as a general baseline but that one of your mods might require some finetuning ?

 

EDIT:

just for the sake of completeness: I play with Skyrim Enhanced Camera https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/57859

But I fail to hit long distance targets in 3rd person... so I guess my 3rdperson camera/crosshair angles need adjustments too

[y_sengaku]

Have you recently re-installed XPMSE?

If I remember correctly, one or two versions before of XPMSE had accidentaly turned [The Joys of Perspective] on by default. 

Updating XPMSE to the latest (v 4.51) and re-install it while turning this option off may help you.

 

Also, XPMSE.esp should almost always should come last in your load order. If this is the order suggested by your LOOT, I rather choose not to follow this suggestion.

[Nazzzgul666]

2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

 

I can hit better now, but shot arrows while sneaking end up hitting the ground for some reason

(using IFP)

That happens to me too without editing the .ini, i blame either the camera or the crawl on four mods. But although i usually play archers, both are too important to miss them.^^

[Psalam]

If your problem is that you are missing your targets vertically by using your crosshairs, then follow the directions given to you by Donttouchmethere and Worik. These are the setting provided by the STEP guide. If you are missing your targets horizontally then your problem is in one, or more, of your mods.

[Psalam]

Oh, and by the way, you can't get to imgur from here. In the future please post your screenshot on the thread and, if you have more than one please post them in spoiler(s).

 

If you know how to get a screenshot onto LL ignore this paragraph. Take your screenshot (which will be .bmp format). Load that picture into Paint (or a similar program) and save as .jpg. Then take your .jpg version and drag it onto the box where you type. There is a picture of a paperclip at the point where you are supposed to drop it. Uploading will take a few seconds, don't panic. Your picture (s) will show up in a bar at the bottom. Put your cursor where you want the picture to show up (amid your text, in a spoiler, whatever) and hit the "+" sign that will be on the picture you uploaded. That will place the picture in that location. If you have more than one, simply repeat the process.

 

If you know how to use a spoiler on LL ignore this paragraph. There is a bar that runs across the top of the area into which you type. It has several things on it starting with Size and Font. About in the middle, just to the right of the emoji smiley face is an icon that looks like an eye. Press on this and it will open a spoiler box. Use your mouse to move the cursor inside the box. You can then type more or download pictures (see paragraph above), print "walls of text" (like load orders) and even put a video inside.

[donttouchmethere]

7 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

That happens to me too without editing the .ini

good to know, yes those crawl aimations are too important ^^

after that kind of failed sneak attack at a bunsh of SDcages bandits, there is a high chance crawling will be needed lol

 

9 hours ago, worik said:

skyrim Enhanced Camera

thats on the list to try

maybe if I use the IFPV helmet camera I wont hit the ground? lets test

[adorablealpaca]

10 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

you can modify it a bit via skyrim.ini

 

like:

[Combat]
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7

 

I can hit better now, but shot arrows while sneaking end up hitting the ground for some reason

(using IFP)

I will try when I get to play and will let you know if it helps!

 

9 hours ago, y_sengaku said:

Have you recently re-installed XPMSE?

If I remember correctly, one or two versions before of XPMSE had accidentaly turned [The Joys of Perspective] on by default. 

Updating XPMSE to the latest (v 4.51) and re-install it while turning this option off may help you.

 

Also, XPMSE.esp should almost always should come last in your load order. If this is the order suggested by your LOOT, I rather choose not to follow this suggestion.

Yeah I have and I have that disabled. Joy crashed my game when I had it so I had to uninstall.
I will also try putting XPMSE last if possible.
 

5 hours ago, Psalam said:

If your problem is that you are missing your targets vertically by using your crosshairs, then follow the directions given to you by Donttouchmethere and Worik. These are the setting provided by the STEP guide. If you are missing your targets horizontally then your problem is in one, or more, of your mods.

I don't think I miss my targets. The arrow is just graphically there, clipping through my hands. It's more about it being very irritating to look at than anything.
Although sometimes I do feel like it is more difficult to aim than in vanilla Skyrim, I am unsure whether or not it's caused by the arrow not being aligned.
Also, sorry about the screenshot. I was unaware that you couldn't get to imgur from here. My bad. Here it is:
 

Spoiler

 

[worik]

8 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

maybe if I use the IFPV helmet camera I wont hit the ground? lets test

It was 2016 or 2015 when I tried to make my choice between both. And since I am lazy, I didn't care about that anymore since then.

IFPV had some serious bugs for my purposes back then, while SEC was fine. But time has brought IFPV forward where SEC was not updated since .... 2016 ?

Depending on what you write, I might be tempted to have another look again after 3 years.

[adorablealpaca]

11 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

you can modify it a bit via skyrim.ini

 

like:

[Combat]
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7

 

I can hit better now, but shot arrows while sneaking end up hitting the ground for some reason

(using IFP)

Sooooo.. GOOD NEWS!!!
I tried doing this and it worked. The arrow is much further up than before. BUT!
It is still left of my crosshair. I tried writing f1PArrowTiltRightAngle=0.7 in another line, but that didn't change anything.
Is there something I can do to make it go to the right?
BTW, here's a comparison pic, it's like this not matter in which direction I point:
 

Spoiler

 

[Psalam]

Spoiler

1 hour ago, adorablealpaca said:

I will try when I get to play and will let you know if it helps!

 

Yeah I have and I have that disabled. Joy crashed my game when I had it so I had to uninstall.
I will also try putting XPMSE last if possible.
 

I don't think I miss my targets. The arrow is just graphically there, clipping through my hands. It's more about it being very irritating to look at than anything.
Although sometimes I do feel like it is more difficult to aim than in vanilla Skyrim, I am unsure whether or not it's caused by the arrow not being aligned.
Also, sorry about the screenshot. I was unaware that you couldn't get to imgur from here. My bad. Here it is:
 

  Hide contents

 

 

 

Yes, it appears that the picture of the arrow is a couple centimeters (at the tip) to the left of where it is supposed to be. I would have to go back to what I said earlier, "if the problem is horizontal (as opposed to vertical) one of your mods" has displaced the arrow to the left. Always good to double check to make sure that you have the correct skeleton before going through the mods since that is trial and error and can take quite a bit of time.

[adorablealpaca]

Well I'm just dumb. I tried creating an unmodified character. Now, although I haven't tried that before, I have messed with my body slides to see if I could fix it, but to no avail.
A new character helped though. I'm not ready to give up my current one, though, so I will just have to mess with sliders again to try and figure out if there's a way to fix it.

I will let you guys know which slider it was when I find out, in case someone else encounters this problem.

[adorablealpaca]

Okay, so, I think I figured it out.

No fucking idea how I even missed this, but anything to do with hand or palm size and length, or just length for everything else that has to do with your character's arms, can mess your bow aim by a ton. If anyone else is having the same problem as me, try messing with those.

And, once again, thank you so much everyone for trying to help. The problem is now fixed.

Time to try and adapt my lizard's body.

[Zaflis]

Few more tips as i used to tweak my arrow aiming to perfection in the past... First it is good to know that if you type "refini" in console, it reloads skyrim.ini (and i think skyrimprefs.ini too). So you can make changes to those files and see how they effect without restarting Skyrim.

 

My current Skyrim.ini contains:

[Camera]
fOverShoulderPosX = 20.0000
fOverShoulderPosZ = -20.0000
fOverShoulderCombatPosX = 30.0000
fOverShoulderCombatPosZ = 20.0000
fOverShoulderCombatAddY = 0.0000

[Combat]
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle = 1.5
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle = 2.8
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle = 1.5

I'm hitting bullseyes in target circles from near and far, 1st and 3rd person. Spells may be aiming a little bit off vertically, i think i need to correct aim upwards. I don't have joy of perspective or other camera mods. Or "No Stagger Camera - 1st and 3rd person" i have but shouldn't affect aiming.

 

And if your arrows are hitting ground when sneaking, you might want to change the fOverShoulderCombatPosZ higher.

 

Not tested with crossbows.

[Lardah]

I had a similar problem, where my aim was way off on magic and bows.

 

I turned off The Joy of Perspective mod out of curiosity if that's the problem...

Well yeah... It was the problem.

At least for me.

 

If you have any perspective change mods turn them off one after the other to start troubleshooting