My first self-made outfit!

[RedPassenger]

Miss Fortune Armour and Hairdo - UUNP UNPB w Physics and CBBE conversion curvy TBBP

 

though I'm here to share, I'd REALLY like some critique. I like the way my outfit turned out but I feel like especially with better lighting properties in nifskope I could make the outfit more realistic...

Any pro here care to give some pro tips? 

But again, ANY critique is appreciated. The model qualities are average at best, however I'm sure there are major areas of improvements that I've just not yet realised.

 

[Andy14]

I only saw the screenshots.
The texture is a bit sterile - sry. A little shadow in the right places would make it look much more real.

 

I know it's whining on a high level, but these little details are really important. Smaller seams (but with bump-map / normal). Every now and then a little bit dirty.
These are all details that are important for the overall impression - organic - not sterile.
Sounds bad, but is meant kindly. I've been making outfits / armors for over 10 years and the good texture is still a big challenge.

[SirDuke]

I like your style!

I just downloaded it and wanted to try it...

but...

 

First I thought, "Hey where do I find it? Ahh nevermind, I´ll just cheat it into my inventory...

You should tell the folks, how to get it.

 

Then I crashed to desktop.

Uuuups. My fault!

I don´t use high heels, so I don´t wanted to install "Heel sounds".

Now I´m already missing a requirement.

 

Last I wanted to look at it through nifskope, and found all *.tri files.

Although they make only 40mb, they are quite useless fur users.

 

But nevertheless...

I would not make all this efford, if I were not so interested.

So take this please as a small but very positive critic.

Thanks for your work at all.

 

 

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Oh and I just wanted to add;

I personally LOVE pirate stuff!

I was never ever into this manga/hentai/anime stuff.

But things for a whole pirate skyrim overhaul are really rare!

So here´s another big

Thank you!

[myuhinny]

Looks nice. For me I would probably remove the lace part from the top and then zap/remove the straps from the black top piece to make it more of a tube top like top then remove the pants and leave the belt/skirt like thing. But then that's just me as that is what I tend to think about when looking at a outfit is what I can do to it to make it skimpier and sexier.

 

For the high heel sound I would just load the .esp into TES5edit and delete out that master as I don't use it or have room for it.

 

Also you could also upload your file here on LL otherwise this thread will just get buried after while and disappear.

[RedPassenger]

4 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I only saw the screenshots.
The texture is a bit sterile - sry. A little shadow in the right places would make it look much more real.

 

I know it's whining on a high level, but these little details are really important. Smaller seams (but with bump-map / normal). Every now and then a little bit dirty.
These are all details that are important for the overall impression - organic - not sterile.
Sounds bad, but is meant kindly. I've been making outfits / armors for over 10 years and the good texture is still a big challenge.

Thank you for your input. I am looking for opinionated ppl with this so don't refrain from being bold. I am looking for it : P

3 hours ago, SirDuke said:

I like your style!

I just downloaded it and wanted to try it...

but...

 

First I thought, "Hey where do I find it? Ahh nevermind, I´ll just cheat it into my inventory...

You should tell the folks, how to get it.

 

Then I crashed to desktop.

Uuuups. My fault!

I don´t use high heels, so I don´t wanted to install "Heel sounds".

Now I´m already missing a requirement.

 

Last I wanted to look at it through nifskope, and found all *.tri files.

Although they make only 40mb, they are quite useless fur users.

 

But nevertheless...

I would not make all this efford, if I were not so interested.

So take this please as a small but very positive critic.

Thanks for your work at all.

 

 

***

Oh and I just wanted to add;

I personally LOVE pirate stuff!

I was never ever into this manga/hentai/anime stuff.

But things for a whole pirate skyrim overhaul are really rare!

So here´s another big

Thank you!

You're welcome. Like I've said in the description however you have to craft them so you don't just find them

[RedPassenger]

3 hours ago, myuhinny said:

Looks nice. For me I would probably remove the lace part from the top and then zap/remove the straps from the black top piece to make it more of a tube top like top then remove the pants and leave the belt/skirt like thing. But then that's just me as that is what I tend to think about when looking at a outfit is what I can do to it to make it skimpier and sexier.

 

For the high heel sound I would just load the .esp into TES5edit and delete out that master as I don't use it or have room for it.

 

Also you could also upload your file here on LL otherwise this thread will just get buried after while and disappear.

I'll upload it here then. You're always around here. Its good to have you : )

Also you can wear the skirt separately so I guess you got that going for you

 

edit: on second thought I'll just leave it on nexusmods for now. Maybe when i update it with better maps I'll upload it here 

[darkconsole]

i agree about the textures. also, dim the white. when you use white in skyrim textures it comes out in-game as somehow neon white. to do proper white you actually want the texture to be fairly grey looking.

 

 

you can see here the difference between white white and grey white in-game, because the word MOO is pure white. bright white almost all the in-game lighting/shadowing gets washed out and you lose what depth ssao had to give you. bright white will also tend to wash out the normal maps as there is nothing brighter than pure white to make highlights with.

 

[RedPassenger]

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i agree about the textures. also, dim the white. when you use white in skyrim textures it comes out in-game as somehow neon white. to do proper white you actually want the texture to be fairly grey looking.

 

 

you can see here the difference between white white and grey white in-game, because the word MOO is pure white. bright white almost all the in-game lighting/shadowing gets washed out and you lose what depth ssao had to give you. bright white will also tend to wash out the normal maps as there is nothing brighter than pure white to make highlights with.

 

Good tip thx

[unded]

@RedPassengertbh the only thing I dislike is the leggings, they clip way too easily if the legs are thicc. That in my opinion is the only bad side of the outfit.
rest of it? Love it. especially when it's a Miss Fortune outfit

If I had any nitpicking about it...it would be shit that you might as well not bother with such as phsyics on the open corset or on the gloves, or maybe better textures. Keep up the good work!

[RedPassenger]

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@RedPassengertbh the only thing I dislike is the leggings, they clip way too easily if the legs are thicc. That in my opinion is the only bad side of the outfit.
rest of it? Love it. especially when it's a Miss Fortune outfit

If I had any nitpicking about it...it would be shit that you might as well not bother with such as phsyics on the open corset or on the gloves, or maybe better textures. Keep up the good work!

 

So are you using the CBBE version or the UNP version?

@adding physics It is one of the things I'll look forward to learn... I feel like the rigging meshes part is easily learnable.. but then making these xml files convert them so skyrim can run it its gonnabe a pain. 

[unded]

5 hours ago, RedPassenger said:

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So are you using the CBBE version or the UNP version?

@adding physics It is one of the things I'll look forward to learn... I feel like the rigging meshes part is easily learnable.. but then making these xml files convert them so skyrim can run it its gonnabe a pain. 

UNP with Bodyslide here, altough tbh I did got carried on with Manipulator on the thickness....but to be honest the only part that I would give a bad judgement would be on the leggings.
Also adding phsyics? Nice my dude! On a side note, you are going to mkae that MF preset avaliable?

[RedPassenger]

14 hours ago, wy1389217 said:

UNP with Bodyslide here, altough tbh I did got carried on with Manipulator on the thickness....but to be honest the only part that I would give a bad judgement would be on the leggings.
Also adding phsyics? Nice my dude! On a side note, you are going to mkae that MF preset avaliable?

As a follower in the future yes

[unded]

ooof
(better than no preset at all I suppose) ?

[Andy14]

On 6/9/2018 at 8:51 PM, RedPassenger said:

But again, ANY critique is appreciated.

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Thank you for your input. I am looking for opinionated ppl with this so don't refrain from being bold. I am looking for it : P

That's what I mean, 2 examples:

 

The white sleeves.

Something structure in the tissue could help. Maybe present, but not visible, because light vs. shadow is missing.

 

The Top:

Here is some structure - lace. But no color change.
A seam, no matter how small, casts shadows.
Shades of color - however small they are, work wonders.

The black seam is - without words???
No shadow, because not even a height. Totally without volume. Normal mapping / bump mapping?
A seam, no matter how thick, is made of material. A three-dimensional material.
If the mesh can not map it (logical), then use color (gradient) + normal map.

 

 

And if you do not understand that, I'm sorry for your time.
For real.
You can spend hours, days, even weeks modeling in Blender, 3DS, Maya etc.
If, after that, the texture, the normal and possibly the specular is not good, the work for the mesh was futile / pointless.
That was my statement about my experience. But if you know everything better (and offend people), just have fun.

Over and out.

 

PS: The skin on the elbow is not okay - you should correct it urgently.
I know elbow is a critical point, but making an effort would not be bad.

[Nazzzgul666]

This might be exactly what i've been looking for in a while, honestly rather the top than anything else.

What i'd like to have is 2 versions of a top, one that covers the breasts and one that... well, doesn't. 

I want this for My current milk maid cow game where the top changes if the breasts become too big. What's the AIM where i get the adult version?

[RedPassenger]

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On 6/12/2018 at 1:15 AM, Andy14 said:

That's what I mean, 2 examples:

 

The white sleeves.

Something structure in the tissue could help. Maybe present, but not visible, because light vs. shadow is missing.

 

The Top:

Here is some structure - lace. But no color change.
A seam, no matter how small, casts shadows.
Shades of color - however small they are, work wonders.

The black seam is - without words???
No shadow, because not even a height. Totally without volume. Normal mapping / bump mapping?
A seam, no matter how thick, is made of material. A three-dimensional material.
If the mesh can not map it (logical), then use color (gradient) + normal map.

 

 

And if you do not understand that, I'm sorry for your time.
For real.
You can spend hours, days, even weeks modeling in Blender, 3DS, Maya etc.
If, after that, the texture, the normal and possibly the specular is not good, the work for the mesh was futile / pointless.
That was my statement about my experience. But if you know everything better (and offend people), just have fun.

Over and out.

 

PS: The skin on the elbow is not okay - you should correct it urgently.
I know elbow is a critical point, but making an effort would not be bad. 

Thank you so much for writing all that out. All points noted. ❤️ : )

 

On 6/12/2018 at 12:10 PM, Nazzzgul666 said:

This might be exactly what i've been looking for in a while, honestly rather the top than anything else.

What i'd like to have is 2 versions of a top, one that covers the breasts and one that... well, doesn't. 

I want this for My current milk maid cow game where the top changes if the breasts become too big. What's the AIM where i get the adult version?

AIM is additemmenu its a mod.

[sikamikanico78]

this looks awesome but you should consider doing a CBBE version since the majority or users prefer it (or so i think)

[RedPassenger]

19 minutes ago, sikamikanico78 said:

this looks awesome but you should consider doing a CBBE version since the majority or users prefer it (or so i think)

Actually the UNP version has almost twice the downloads than the CBBE version

[sikamikanico78]

5 hours ago, RedPassenger said:

Actually the UNP version has almost twice the downloads than the CBBE version

were did you get this info? 12.6 million downloads for cbbe...7 million of unp..  anyways what i wanted to ask is : is there a chance to convert it to cbbe also?

[SirDuke]

1 hour ago, sikamikanico78 said:

  anyways what i wanted to ask is : is there a chance to convert it to cbbe also?

You are kidding, aren´t you?

There is a cbbe version already...

At least since "9 Jun 2018, 1:31AM"

 

The download link is even called " Miss Fortune Armour and Hairdo - UUNP UNPB w Physics and CBBE conversion curvy TBBP "

 

 

[sikamikanico78]

2 hours ago, SirDuke said:

You are kidding, aren´t you?

There is a cbbe version already...

At least since "9 Jun 2018, 1:31AM"

 

The download link is even called " Miss Fortune Armour and Hairdo - UUNP UNPB w Physics and CBBE conversion curvy TBBP "

 

 

lol didnt even know!!

[RedPassenger]

1 hour ago, sikamikanico78 said:

lol didnt even know!!

and Im not talking about in general how many downloads. I'm talking about for my mod exclusively. UUNP + UNPB has more downloads than CBBE